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Andre II Thukker Tribe Holdings Inc. Can't Undock. Won't Undock 64	Posted - 2012.07.17 00:34:00 - [1] - Quote CCP I think you messed up with all the new ships redesigns. Most notably the angel cartel. Why did you change them, angle cartel ship needs to have the black design to reference to their Jove origins, and if you had to add camo why didn't you take a note form the macheriel and do the ash grey/ black & white camo. Why are the angel cartel ships brown and green just like the Minmatar? Personally I don't know why your guys have a sudden obsession with camo, I wish you'd undo do the effects and just improve there racial based colors. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=47868
Forum Foreplay Gallente Federation 28	Posted - 2012.07.17 00:38:00 - [2] - Quote Cammo is for people who think a 1990s pickup truck is thier legacy... Even a sandbox has borders to keep the sand inside...
Tarsus Zateki GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 714	Posted - 2012.07.17 00:48:00 - [3] - Quote I would love it if CCP changed one small inconsequential thing just to see how many folks who fear change would post about it. Maybe change the gloss on the UI buttons by a small amount. You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.
Forum Foreplay Gallente Federation 29	Posted - 2012.07.17 00:51:00 - [4] - Quote Tarsus Zateki wrote: I would love it if CCP changed one small inconsequential thing just to see how many folks who fear change would post about it. Maybe change the gloss on the UI buttons by a small amount. Because everyone is complaining because cammo is cool right? /facepalm Even a sandbox has borders to keep the sand inside...
Tarsus Zateki GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 715	Posted - 2012.07.17 00:59:00 - [5] - Quote Perhaps if they reversed the Okay and Cancel buttons on the window that pops up when you try to close the game. I imagine the forums would melt. You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.
Andre II Thukker Tribe Holdings Inc. Can't Undock. Won't Undock 65	Posted - 2012.07.17 01:00:00 - [6] - Quote Tarsus Zateki wrote: I would love it if CCP changed one small inconsequential thing just to see how many folks who fear change would post about it. Maybe change the gloss on the UI buttons by a small amount. Well I wouldn't say changing a ships color scheme from black to brown and green camo is a minor change, it seems pretty distinct if I notice it every time I look at the ship. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=47868
Forum Foreplay Gallente Federation 29	Posted - 2012.07.17 01:03:00 - [7] - Quote Andre II wrote: Tarsus Zateki wrote: I would love it if CCP changed one small inconsequential thing just to see how many folks who fear change would post about it. Maybe change the gloss on the UI buttons by a small amount. Well I wouldn't say changing a ships color scheme from black to brown and green camo is a minor change, it seems pretty distinct if I notice it every time I look at the ship. CCP has never understood that in computer games, especially games like EvE, *black is sacred. You don't take a black ship and suddenly make it some other color, you just don't. Even a sandbox has borders to keep the sand inside...*
Nathan Ernaga Applesauce Brigade 1	Posted - 2012.07.17 01:05:00 - [8] - Quote We need pimp my ride asap. Thank you.
Xercodo Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam 1214	Posted - 2012.07.17 02:32:00 - [9] - Quote The design of the hull is the Jove part, the Cartel themselves can paint their ships whatever they damn well please. The Drake is a Lie
Jayrendo Karr Suns Of Korhal Terran Commonwealth 187	Posted - 2012.07.17 03:07:00 - [10] - Quote This whole space camo thing needs to be removed from all non-navy ships. It's not that good looking.

Kyle Ward Caldari Provisions Caldari State 227	Posted - 2012.07.17 03:10:00 - [11] - Quote I like the space camo thank you for making my spaceships sexy CCP! The Sandbox, you're playing it wrong!
Andre II Thukker Tribe Holdings Inc. Can't Undock. Won't Undock 66	Posted - 2012.07.17 04:33:00 - [12] - Quote Jayrendo Karr wrote: This whole space camo thing needs to be removed from all non-navy ships. It's not that good looking. I agree camo seems more of a navy thing similar to uniforms for soldiers, the angel cartel like the rebel cartel, they don't have set uniforms besides metallic oil black is ******* sexy in the starlight. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=47868
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance 800	Posted - 2012.07.17 04:43:00 - [13] - Quote Haven't Angel ships always either been brown or brown camo to begin with? Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
Andre II Thukker Tribe Holdings Inc. Can't Undock. Won't Undock 66	Posted - 2012.07.17 04:47:00 - [14] - Quote ShahFluffers wrote: Haven't Angel ships always either been brown or brown camo to begin with? No, they were always black, in exception for the mach which was an ash gray and black camo. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=47868
Mara Rinn Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium 1625	Posted - 2012.07.17 04:49:00 - [15] - Quote If they make the default colour scheme attractive, you'd never buy the paint/dye packs. Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players
Andre II Thukker Tribe Holdings Inc. Can't Undock. Won't Undock 66	Posted - 2012.07.17 04:57:00 - [16] - Quote They have paint and dye packs? https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=47868
Mara Rinn Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium 1625	Posted - 2012.07.17 04:58:00 - [17] - Quote Andre II wrote: They have paint and dye packs? As sure as day follows night, once the V3 overhaul is completed, we can expect to see paint/dye packs in the Noble Exchange. That's one of the features they kept harping on about during the V3 upgrade process. Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players
Jayrendo Karr Suns Of Korhal Terran Commonwealth 188	Posted - 2012.07.17 05:29:00 - [18] - Quote Mara Rinn wrote: Andre II wrote: They have paint and dye packs? As sure as day follows night, once the V3 overhaul is completed, we can expect to see paint/dye packs in the Noble Exchange. That's one of the features they kept harping on about during the V3 upgrade process. Guess i should quit eve now, too bad i was almost in the abaddon i wanted to fly. I won't be charged for content ive payed for, i pay my $15 a month so i wont have to deal with this crap.
Corina Jarr Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built 1062	Posted - 2012.07.17 05:32:00 - [19] - Quote Jayrendo Karr wrote: Mara Rinn wrote: Andre II wrote: They have paint and dye packs? As sure as day follows night, once the V3 overhaul is completed, we can expect to see paint/dye packs in the Noble Exchange. That's one of the features they kept harping on about during the V3 upgrade process. Guess i should quit eve now, too bad i was almost in the abaddon i wanted to fly. I won't be charged for content ive payed for, i pay my $15 a month so i wont have to deal with this crap. You could still buy them on the market, just like the clothing and PLEX.
Mara Rinn Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium 1627	Posted - 2012.07.17 06:19:00 - [20] - Quote Jayrendo Karr wrote: Guess i should quit eve now, too bad i was almost in the abaddon i wanted to fly. I won't be charged for content ive payed for, i pay my $15 a month so i wont have to deal with this crap. I'd sympathise with you except that you're attacking the issue from the wrong angle. The only concern I have with the Noble Exchange is that items from the NeX bypass the player economy. It would work much better if the NeX worked just like the existing LP stores. But claiming that you've already paid for the content sounds a little close to expressing a sense of entitlement to me. You wouldn't expect to find a free Avatar in your hangar just because you paid for the game, would you? Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players

marVLs 19	Posted - 2012.07.17 06:39:00 - [21] - Quote Camo on spaceships = looooooooool
Sarah Atkinson Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 4	Posted - 2012.07.17 07:01:00 - [22] - Quote I can understand green and brown cammo in the woods, white cammo in the snow, and yellow and brown cammo in the desert, but what purpose does cammo serve in space? If it's just for looks, then why would they put it on military ships? Seems strange that a military corporation would care to do that. Saying that, I'm actually not that fussed. Just expressing something I found odd.
Effect One Selective Hearing Nearly Feared 32	Posted - 2012.07.17 07:39:00 - [23] - Quote If the sensor suites on Eve ships are enough to identify what class, race and model a ship in addition to its speed, vector, etc... from well over 500km away and identify all ship classes to their specific class/race/model within a 14AU radius (non-visual identification), I seriously doubt whether visual paint stylings make any difference to combat/stealth in the universe. Perhaps the races dispensed with tactical paint stylings long ago upon realising this and now they just paint their ships in the colours that are the cheapest to produce (for the respective corporations that build them), or whatever they find to be aesthetically pleasing (for the navy/pirate variants). Meh.
Sarah Atkinson Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 4	Posted - 2012.07.17 08:03:00 - [24] - Quote Sure Effect One, perhaps for you millionaire veterans.. I literally have to wind down a window and get my binoculars out to see what I'm fighting in my hunk of junk.
Jafit Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 277	Posted - 2012.07.17 09:13:00 - [25] - Quote We need a faction faction battleship, Domination Angel machariel, black with grey bits. 3 billion each. Be the coolest publord in the system as you ~~/dance in front of the auction house in Stormwind~~ sit outside Jita 4-4 undock with your sebos and hardeners on
Danfen Fenix 140	Posted - 2012.07.17 10:43:00 - [26] - Quote Wait, they have a colour? I just see red boxes which I turn in to white triangles..
Tallis Lindisere Farne Corp 20	Posted - 2012.07.17 19:19:00 - [27] - Quote Definately not a fan of the camo schemes on spaceships apart from the CNR and the new Wolf. I just wish they had used the Wolf scheme on the Jaguar. The new Jag scheme, being pretty dark, washes out the 3D detail on the model. But it's not just the overall colour schemes that are a pain in the proverbial. I'm wondering who decided it would be "cool" to give the impression of faces on the front of a lot of the ships. Go look at the Drake and the hoarder for two examples. There are more. Personally if CCP would let me. I would use the ORCA for everything. Good design and I like the colour scheme. Make a modular version of it and I'll use it for everything from battlehip to miner. It's one of the few ships in EVE that doesn't look like it was done by an art school graduate.
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 2257	Posted - 2012.07.17 19:29:00 - [28] - Quote Jayrendo Karr wrote: Mara Rinn wrote: Andre II wrote: They have paint and dye packs? As sure as day follows night, once the V3 overhaul is completed, we can expect to see paint/dye packs in the Noble Exchange. That's one of the features they kept harping on about during the V3 upgrade process. Guess i should quit eve now, too bad i was almost in the abaddon i wanted to fly. I won't be charged for content ive payed for, i pay my $15 a month so i wont have to deal with this crap. Like everything else in EVE, you'll be able to pay for it with ISK as well. Personally, all my ships will likely end up in the Blood Raider scheme if available, or the Interbus yellow and black. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base.
Corina Jarr Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built 1065	Posted - 2012.07.17 19:50:00 - [29] - Quote Effect One wrote: If the sensor suites on Eve ships are enough to identify what class, race and model a ship in addition to its speed, vector, etc... from well over 500km away and identify all ship classes to their specific class/race/model within a 14AU radius (non-visual identification), I seriously doubt whether visual paint stylings make any difference to combat/stealth in the universe. Perhaps the races dispensed with tactical paint stylings long ago upon realising this and now they just paint their ships in the colours that are the cheapest to produce (for the respective corporations that build them), or whatever they find to be aesthetically pleasing (for the navy/pirate variants). Meh. I think it is traditional, or based on what they use for their ground vehicles (will have to wait for those in Dust to confirm or debunk). Anyway, the Blood Raiders camo is the best...
Lord Ryan Quantum Cats Syndicate 541	Posted - 2012.07.17 20:40:00 - [30] - Quote ShahFluffers wrote: Haven't Angel ships always either been brown or brown camo to begin with? Never looked black to me, maybe a dark brown. Those Amarr missile ships were closer to black than angel ships. Black is my favorite color, moar black ships please! Camo is horrible unless your a frickin soldier in RL, in a setting that is appropriate. Wearing it for fashion in RL tells me all I need to know about you. Black would be space camo. Defintions 1 and 2. cam-+ou-+flage 1. The method or result of concealing personnel or equipment from an enemy by making them appear to be part of the natural surroundings. 2. Concealment by disguise or protective coloring. 3. Fabric or a garment dyed in splotches of green, brown, tan, and black so as to make the wearer indistinguishable from the surrounding environment. -á"Nerf it cause I can't fly it". I want to fly a badass Mon Calamari stlye-ácruiser painted to match my Tron clothes.

Solstice Project I'm So Meta Even This Acronym 1623	Posted - 2012.07.17 20:41:00 - [31] - Quote Is this actually for real ? Nobody posted a pic as of yet ... Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire
YuuKnow 362	Posted - 2012.07.17 20:43:00 - [32] - Quote Expected to see a thread about new ship modules. Instead got a whine about color schemes. leaves thread yk
Ginger Barbarella State War Academy Caldari State 15	Posted - 2012.07.17 20:43:00 - [33] - Quote Forum Foreplay wrote: Cammo is for people who think a 1990s pickup truck is thier legacy... Hahahahaha!!! Awesome, +1 internetz for you, sir!!
Traejun DiSanctis School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 13	Posted - 2012.07.17 21:06:00 - [34] - Quote Jayrendo Karr wrote: Mara Rinn wrote: Andre II wrote: They have paint and dye packs? As sure as day follows night, once the V3 overhaul is completed, we can expect to see paint/dye packs in the Noble Exchange. That's one of the features they kept harping on about during the V3 upgrade process. Guess i should quit eve now, too bad i was almost in the abaddon i wanted to fly. I won't be charged for content ive payed for, i pay my $15 a month so i wont have to deal with this crap. You are reacting emotionally. Don't. I completely understand your position. I even share some of the frustration at times. But, the bottom line is that "flavor" items which offer no in-game advantage whatsoever purchased for real world currency does not affect your $15/month gameplay experience. You don't want to spend more than your sub? You feel you shouldn't have to in order to play effectively? Great... you would be right on both counts with or without a NeX store.
Jayrendo Karr Suns Of Korhal Terran Commonwealth 193	Posted - 2012.07.17 21:14:00 - [35] - Quote I shouldn't have the option to buy space items for money, i should have to earn it like everyone else. I pay 15 a month so i can earn things I want not buy them at an extra cost.
Burhtun Pacific Mining and Manufacturing Co-operative Nox Draconum 12	Posted - 2012.07.17 21:37:00 - [36] - Quote Forum Foreplay wrote: Cammo is for people who think a 1990s pickup truck is thier legacy... Confirming EVE is looking more and more redneck. Can I get a gun rack attached to the back of my camouflage ships and a stuffed deer head to adorn the hood? What kills me is not only is camouflage in space useless as many have already pointed out, but it is by nature anti-design. That is its purpose, to break up recognizable shapes. The artists have worked hard to make some truly awesome looking spaceships, then they go and destroy those sweet looking shapes with camouflage paint. At least with the Angel ships there are some non-camouflaged areas, they're not quite as much of a mess as the Navy Raven. Nowhere near as badassed looking as the original Angel skins though. Simple and monochromatic is fine for spaceships. If you must jazz it up, stripes like on the Widow are acceptable. I'm not fond of the new super saturated orange lights and headlights either. Looks cartoony.
Fudge Sinful Hard Knocks Inc. 1	Posted - 2012.07.17 21:40:00 - [37] - Quote Dear CCP, Camo ALL the ships. Just to tick people off.
Large Collidable Object morons. 1690	Posted - 2012.07.17 21:55:00 - [38] - Quote Forum Foreplay wrote: CCP has never understood that in computer games, especially games like EvE, *black is sacred. You don't take a black ship and suddenly make it some other color, you just don't. Qft. I still hate the fact they turned Khanid ships into something resembling soda cans with red and blue lights. Black, Silver, Blue and* Red? Seriously CCP?? Pay your designers a course in colour theory - if you must add another colour for whatever tasteless reason, it should be a complementary one... Deliberately offending that law helped me in creating what a lot of people call one of the ugliest characters in Eve - despite relatively normal underlying facial features. As for CCPs obsession with camo patterns - noone seems to like them except CCP - I don't get why they keep heading down that road. No reason to quit over, as I usually don't see any ships anyway but why 'fix' something for the worse that wasn't broken and removing distinct features people grew to like - the Comets police light, the Ishtars smile, the Vagas ears, the Curses antennas, the old Phoon. Maybe they just made them so ugly to later offer the original skins (v3'd) in the NeX... You know... morons.
Lord Ryan Quantum Cats Syndicate 542	Posted - 2012.07.18 02:19:00 - [39] - Quote BTW the dram and cyn still look the same as they always did. -á"Nerf it cause I can't fly it". I want to fly a badass Mon Calamari stlye-ácruiser painted to match my Tron clothes.
Corina Jarr Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built 1067	Posted - 2012.07.18 04:19:00 - [40] - Quote The Serpentis ships would be a case of camo done right. because it has a style to it, not just generic camo. Blood Raiders too, but it isn't paint.

Burhtun Pacific Mining and Manufacturing Co-operative Nox Draconum 17	Posted - 2012.07.18 05:24:00 - [41] - Quote Yeah Vindicator isn't too bad I guess. Its a bit closer to a big bold graphic element, kinda like Widow stripes, than the other camouflaged ships. Off the topic of camouflage, has the Phantasm on tranquility already been V3ed? It looks sharper than the Nightmare or Succubus and has a much stronger green gasoline iridescent sheen applied to it. Has it always been like that? Never noticed... The heavily greebled underside is cool.
Effect One Selective Hearing Nearly Feared 33	Posted - 2012.07.18 10:42:00 - [42] - Quote Jayrendo Karr wrote: I shouldn't have the option to buy space items for money, i should have to earn it like everyone else. I pay 15 a month so i can earn things I want not buy them at an extra cost. If I pay 15 amonth II should have some way of earning these items, they are only introduced by means of people paying money though. You can earn them. One people purchase them and place them on the market, feel free to buy them. At the end of the day, if CCP want to create some fancy paint for people to oogle over that will generate them a larger income and, by proxy, more money to spend on development then I said that's fantastic provided it is done properly and the items in question have no in game advantage. The minute people start gaining an edge by buying NEX store items is the beginning of the end and fortunately, for now at least, CCP appears to be against this idea in principle.
Planetmaster Weekenders 10	Posted - 2012.07.18 10:45:00 - [43] - Quote camo in space ... COOL STORY BRO !
Renan Ruivo Irmandade Vera Cruz Alliance 824	Posted - 2012.07.18 11:43:00 - [44] - Quote V3 skins basically mean you can (possibly) apply whatever skin you want to the ship in the future. Also, angel ships are not strictly jove designs. They are based on ancient jove designs. Nobody knows if ancient jove designs were dark brown/ash gray or even if they weren't, this paintjob is Angel. You know, just like Blood Raiders are red and Caldari are blue ... The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.
Corina Jarr Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built 1069	Posted - 2012.07.18 15:24:00 - [45] - Quote Burhtun wrote: Yeah Vindicator isn't too bad I guess. Its a bit closer to a big bold graphic element, kinda like Widow stripes, than the other camouflaged ships. Off the topic of camouflage, has the Phantasm on tranquility already been V3ed? It looks sharper than the Nightmare or Succubus and has a much stronger green gasoline iridescent sheen applied to it. Has it always been like that? Never noticed... The heavily greebled underside is cool. The Sansha have been V3d. No clue why the Phantasm is covered in gasoline though. Maybe they wanted to get the old paint off.
Amenotep Polo Mechong Industries Inc. Strategic Operations Brigade 6	Posted - 2012.07.18 15:34:00 - [46] - Quote All that camouflage makes it harder for me to spot the targets
Ila Gant Hedion University Amarr Empire 142	Posted - 2012.07.18 15:41:00 - [47] - Quote WTB: Vorlon paint job.


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