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Wyke Mossari Gallente Staner Industries	Posted - 2010.07.24 13:40:00 - [61] Originally by: Nikilaiki Ruutarhara To put it bluntly, I think I know who the "Enheduanni" really are. The Enheduanni don't fight their own wars, have advanced technology, and (if you take the meaning of the quote from the Enheduanna page on Wikipedia), have gone through apotheosis. They died. They are "no longer human". Nonlinear teleportation? Hmm, what happens when a capsuleer dies? His/her consciousness is sent via fluid router, non-linearly, to the cloning facility. So, do I need to spell this out? No. I can see the connection you are making between Jupiter/Terminus. However I'm finding the link between that and Enheduanna tenuous. There are clues that several races/empires/generations might have achieved apotheosis in this way.
Nikilaiki Ruutarhara Caldari Project Daedalid	Posted - 2010.07.24 13:51:00 - [62] Originally by: Wyke Mossari There are clues that several races/empires/generations might have achieved apotheosis in this way. Really? Are you sure?
Sun'Tzu Yin Gallente Wreckage Reclamation Enforcement Consortium Gentlemen's Interstellar Nightclub	Posted - 2010.07.24 16:16:00 - [63] Has anyone considered that Clone service working outbound of w-space is more than just a game mechanical convention, and is actually a clue to the proximity of wspace? If so, would not wspace need to be very close to New Eden cluster for our clone service to still work? Sort of the opposite way deadspace interferes with warping, your sensors can get a lock looking out, but characteristic interference keeps sensors from locking on points inside.
Wyke Mossari Gallente Staner Industries	Posted - 2010.07.24 16:24:00 - [64] Originally by: Nikilaiki Ruutarhara Originally by: Wyke Mossari There are clues that several races/empires/generations might have achieved apotheosis in this way. Really? Are you sure? Sure: No. Possible: Certainly. Probably: Who knows. That's why I used might. I'm considering the possibility that New Eden might have had a several cycles of ancient races achieving apotheosis and leaving a bread crumb trail for others to follow.
Vadimik Gallente	Posted - 2010.07.24 21:02:00 - [65] Quote: Has anyone considered that Clone service working outbound of w-space is more than just a game mechanical convention, and is actually a clue to the proximity of wspace? Where did you get this idea that FTL comm methods used in New Eden these days have a limited range at all? To quote: Quote: The only limitations of this communication system is in the capacity of the channel. Indeed, the manufacturing of the entangled 4-He superfluid is an expensive process. Furthermore, a large number of atoms are used for each byte, as a statistically relevant chaotic sequence needs to be created. The sequencing introduces a limit to the bandwidth, allowing only the transmission of x bytes/second. The amount of data sent then depletes the pool of available entangled atoms, thus limiting the total amount of data that can be sent with a given router pair.
Herzog Wolfhammer Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2010.07.25 04:03:00 - [66] Originally by: Sun'Tzu Yin Edited by: Sun''Tzu Yin on 24/07/2010 16:32:46 Has anyone considered that Clone service working outbound of w-space is more than just a game mechanical convention, and is actually a clue to the proximity of wspace? If so, would not wspace need to be very close to New Eden cluster for our clone service to still work? Sort of the opposite way deadspace interferes with warping, your sensors can get a lock looking out, but characteristic interference keeps sensors from locking on points inside. I stand corrected, apparently the distance of wspaces from any point in kspace are easily measure with ingame mechanics. Good to know my clone contract is worth more than the **** it was recorded to. This Chronicle hints that you do not always make it back.
Wyke Mossari Gallente Staner Industries	Posted - 2010.07.25 10:54:00 - [67] I've just had flash of inspiration, an insight, I think I know the purpose of the Mirror. It is more than just a huge VR computer, it is gigantic geo-politican / military simulator. A model of New Eden. A tool for the Jovians to plan their strategy in their eternal war with the Enheduanni.
Karak Terrel	Posted - 2010.07.25 11:29:00 - [68] Edited by: Karak Terrel on 25/07/2010 11:29:20 Originally by: Sun'Tzu Yin Edited by: Sun''Tzu Yin on 24/07/2010 16:32:46 Has anyone considered that Clone service working outbound of w-space is more than just a game mechanical convention, and is actually a clue to the proximity of wspace? If so, would not wspace need to be very close to New Eden cluster for our clone service to still work? Sort of the opposite way deadspace interferes with warping, your sensors can get a lock looking out, but characteristic interference keeps sensors from locking on points inside. I stand corrected, apparently the distance of wspaces from any point in kspace are easily measure with ingame mechanics. Good to know my clone contract is worth more than the **** it was recorded to. Yeah, i think it is an interesting point you make. I mean normal clones work just fine but jump clones do not. You can build or bring in a Rorqual and install a Clone Vat Bay but it will not work. So the question is really which one of this to behaviors of the same technology is true for the storyline? While searching for the clone vat by in the items database i found this: Data Miners Is this new? I never saw this before? Are those from the COSMOS missions? Has someone already tried this on the sleeper data terminal or something else in w-space? And what the hell is Tetrimon? Yet another ancient race or just the name of that specific scanner?
Pottsey Enheduanni Foundation	Posted - 2010.07.25 13:33:00 - [69] Karak Terrel as far as I am ware those items are not in game. I believe they are not meant to be on the website. ______ How to Passive Shield Tank T2
Auwnie Morohe	Posted - 2010.07.25 19:46:00 - [70] The Cult of Tetrimon

Karak Terrel	Posted - 2010.07.25 21:05:00 - [71] Originally by: Pottsey Karak Terrel as far as I am ware those items are not in game. I believe they are not meant to be on the website. Yeah, you are right. You can search for them under contracts but it looks like they are currently not in game.
Evelgrivion Ignatium.	Posted - 2010.07.26 03:03:00 - [72] Why did the first Jove Empire collapse? When did the second Jove Empire collapse?
Pottsey Enheduanni Foundation	Posted - 2010.07.26 08:43:00 - [73] Edited by: Pottsey on 26/07/2010 08:47:43 Evelgrivion said " Why did the first Jove Empire collapse? When did the second Jove Empire collapse?" Short answer around 17261 to 17562 was when the 1st Jove empire collapse. The 2nd Jove empire collapse somewhere between 500 and 3000 years ago. As for why the first empire collapsed no one knows apart from its something the Elders did. Now for the long answer. Before you start reading please note I based all my data from AD 23236 (YC 0) For those that are unaware the current date is YC 112 or 23348. So my numbers might be off by a few years. For example if the lore says the 2nd Jove empire was founded 500 years ago without a reference to the current date I assume the date that info was posted was AD 23236 (YC 0). I cannot pinpoint times precisely but the Jove First Empire was founded a few centuries after the Eve gate shut. That puts the timeline around 8261 to 8562 depending on precisely what a few centuries means. I assume it means between 200 and 500. The empire lasted 9000 years. Putting us around 17261 to 17562 for when the 1st empire collapsed. The 2nd empire was united more than 3000 years ago by Miko Bour." More then" usually in the content of years like that only means a little over 3000. But we don't know what year that was a reference from. Assuming it is from the year AD 23236 The 2nd Empire formed around 20216 possibly a few 100 years before. (out of interest the The Society of Conscious was also funded 3000 years ago right at the same time as the new empire) So we have a 2654 ish year gap with a possible 2nd dark age or timeframe of bad times for the Jove. The way the 2nd empire was united by one Jove is to me suggesting the Jove had splintered into groups since the 1st empire. Perhaps not all groups united. With backs up some peoples theory's of the Sleepers being Jove. The 3rd Empire was funded half a millennium ago around 22736. We don't know how long the 2nd Jove empire lasted or how long the collapse was between and 2nd and 3rd empires. But logically the 2nd Jove empire collapsed somewhere between 500 and 3000 years ago as it cannot have collapsed before the 2nd empire was funded and it must have collapsed before the 3rd empire was funded. We do know the 2nd Jove empire was devastation of the Jovian Disease For those interested " The Heaven constellation was the home of the First and Second Jovian Empires, both larger and grander than their current Third Empire." ______ How to Passive Shield Tank T2
Wyke Mossari Gallente Staner Industries	Posted - 2010.07.26 12:12:00 - [74] Originally by: Pottsey The 2nd empire was united more than 3000 years ago by Miko Bour." The way the 2nd empire was united by one Jove is to me suggesting the Jove had splintered into groups since the 1st empire. Perhaps not all groups united. With backs up some peoples theory's of the Sleepers being Jove. That could extrapolate to include some (perhaps even all) of the ancient races. Consider this. The 'Jove' seem to have a grand plan, a big picture objective for the Universe and Humanity. However, a technological singularity, growing systematic complexity makes it impossible to have a perfect plan. Therefore different contingents within the Jove have different methods and strategies for achieving this plan. A recurring theme we see is different strategies of growth and evolution. Cooperation vs Conflict Order vs Chaos Good vs Evil This is why it is a cold proxy conflict, over time this grows into a hot war.
Nikilaiki Ruutarhara Caldari Project Daedalid	Posted - 2010.07.26 12:17:00 - [75] The Mirror Well, since Dropbear has said "The Mirror" is special, let's look at it another way, shall we? First, let's look at the Medical Enclave. Quote: Medical Enclave 1.0 Emergency 2.0-2.8 Triage 2.9 Stasis 3.0 Quarantine Sector A 4.0 Quarantine Sector B 4.0-9.2 Quarantine Sector C 9.3 Quarantine Sector X Now, the first of the Genetics Research Enclaves: 4.0-6.0 De-animation Genealogy Research Library http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup A: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_A_(mtDNA) B: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_B_(mtDNA) C: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_C_(mtDNA) X: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_X_(mtDNA) (Note: The word Druze, which I will later expand upon) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seven_Daughters_of_Eve Basically, mitochondrial DNA groups. Mitochondrial DNA is inherited from the mother. The wormhole leading to New Eden was named EVE. This is the first real and legitimate evidence that something about the cultures (at least in a religious context) survived the gate's collapse, and a potential explanation for the Sisters of EVE faith and the Equilibrium of Mankind (further explanation below). Now, let's look at something that may hold some insight: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Druze Kujarei Delainen's research paper: Seven Pillars of Artificial Intelligence Compare to the Druze: Seven Pillars of Ismailism Perhaps the Seven Pillars of Artificial Intelligence are simply a modification of the old "Three Laws"? Maybe he wasn't the first to develop the principles therein; perhaps it's based on some older studies. Perhaps, just perhaps, this is a reference to the Equilibrium of Mankind (an offshoot of the Amarrian faith) who discovered something about the EVE Gate and then decided to wipe out all life to prepare it for God's return. Quote: "At the end of days when they descend Watch for the coming of the Ark For within it, salvation is carried" - The Scriptures, Book II, Apocalypse 32:6 I believe the Jove made a mistake. They created self-replicating AI, to assist in studying something. This AI, however, saw it's creators as nothing but animals when compared to "The Face of Perfection". The "Infection" mentioned in messages appearing in W-space could simply be humans. In short, I believe "Oruze" is the study and application in an attempt to become what the "Sleepers" were possibly initially studying; the Monoliths. The "Seven Pillars" could easily have been derived from Society of Conscious Thought studies on AI behavior (and Emergent Ideologies). This is pure conjecture; it is also possible that the Monoliths are simply curiosities added in later. However, their existence both in New Eden and in W-space points to the possibility that they are indeed the target of the exploration. I also believe the Jove and the Amarr have a strong link, be it genetic or that the Amarr now occupy a large area in which the Jove used to. I believe the Sefrim, mentioned in Ametat and Avetat, are Jove. I believe the "God" they worship is the creator of the wormhole. I believe, at least at that point, they believed it to be the Monolith. Now, taking into account the love of multiordinal thinking, "Oruze" in Zanaki means "String". Maybe, just maybe, it's actually both "Line" and "Sunlight". "It's full of stars." What if the Monoliths are W-space. What if, as others have said, the EVE Gate was a tear in M-space (my word, short for membrane space - String/M Theory FTW). Maybe the Yan-Jung didn't just disappear, they actually just left?
Nikilaiki Ruutarhara Caldari Project Daedalid	Posted - 2010.07.26 12:32:00 - [76] Edited by: Nikilaiki Ruutarhara on 26/07/2010 12:37:19 OH, and I almost forgot. ORUZE: Gene 3355, HTR1F 5-hydroxytryptamine (serotonin) receptor 1F [ Homo sapiens ] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?db=gene&term=3355 Dropbear, you're a mad genius. Maybe. ;) Are you the Mensa member that came up with this little brain teaser? Also, I'm a huge fan of Kurzweil and Tipler myself. Like I said in the other thread, got tired of being mysterious. I'm definitely not an optimist like they are though, and I always found Nietzsche a little preachy. Seriously, the shades of gray in this are just... mind bogglingly complex.
Auwnie Morohe	Posted - 2010.07.26 13:06:00 - [77] Nikilaiki : Awesome stuff. Dont know whether it all works but very cool find.
Nikilaiki Ruutarhara Caldari Project Daedalid	Posted - 2010.07.26 13:39:00 - [78] Originally by: Auwnie Morohe Nikilaiki : Awesome stuff. Dont know whether it all works but very cool find. It's a good place to start, and the 3355 reference (which was derived from the letters of ORUZE), being a genetic reference, is a really big revelation (if I can get some confirmation by CCP Dropbear that is).
Wyke Mossari Gallente Staner Industries	Posted - 2010.07.26 13:42:00 - [79] Originally by: Wyke Mossari I've just had flash of inspiration, an insight, I think I know the purpose of the Mirror. It is more than just a huge VR computer, it is gigantic geo-politican / military simulator. A model of New Eden. A tool for the Jovians to plan their strategy in their eternal war with the Enheduanni. No comments . Archive Enclave. Digital Backup Library: Information collection & hoarding is an innate compulsion for the Jove. Self Explanatory. An Archive that groups Talocan Technology along with Terran Artifacts & Eve Gate Theories together. This suggest to me that all of these are Historical at the time this structure was constructed. Emergent Ideologies: How a multiplicity of simple interactions give rise to patterns & complex systems to provide a comprehensive 'world view'. This is also in the Archive, so it is Historical. A pattern library of cultures and the ideas that give rise to them. Communications Enclave Microvirtual Transmission Sensors: Something tiny, that is "not real" but displays "qualities of the real" that is being sent somewhere. However Sensors, suggest an interception of a transmission. Cannot make much sense out of this, except that perhaps Partial Virtualization Virtual Network. Sensor Backup Systems: Cannot miss out on the tiniest of details, that Jove compulsion again. Operation Servers: Self explanatory. Proliferation News Network Studios: Not sure what to make of this beyond the obvious. Detransmission Clusters: Perhaps a group of linked receivers, but if the first element works by interception why is this needed ? Lation De is for something divine (divine transmissions?). Medical Enclave: Mostly covered elsewhere. Only piece to add that a Quarantine can be used to keep things out as well as in. Oruze Enclave: Mostly Covered elsewhere, but why two residential areas, which seem out of place.
Skothen Chetokk	Posted - 2010.07.26 14:16:00 - [80] Originally by: Nikilaiki Ruutarhara and the 3355 reference (which was derived from the letters of ORUZE), being a genetic reference, is a really big revelation Could you explain the connection between the gen 3355 and ORUZE ? I don't get it

Wyke Mossari Gallente Staner Industries	Posted - 2010.07.26 14:37:00 - [81] Edited by: Wyke Mossari on 26/07/2010 14:39:56 Originally by: Nikilaiki Ruutarhara http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup A: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_A_(mtDNA) B: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_B_(mtDNA) C: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_C_(mtDNA) X: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_X_(mtDNA) Brilliant find, just skimmed it so far but I don't think you've mentioned that, this links in directly with Loci/Locus coordinate databases.
Nikilaiki Ruutarhara Caldari Project Daedalid	Posted - 2010.07.26 14:38:00 - [82] Edited by: Nikilaiki Ruutarhara on 26/07/2010 14:42:49 Originally by: Skothen Chetokk Originally by: Nikilaiki Ruutarhara and the 3355 reference (which was derived from the letters of ORUZE), being a genetic reference, is a really big revelation Could you explain the connection between the gen 3355 and ORUZE ? I don't get it O-R: 3 letters R-U: 3 letters U-Z: 5 letters Z-E: 5 letters 3355 Three enclaves devoted to genetics, and the Oruze Enclave: Two residential references, and references to light and energy. If you want to sleep for a long time, in a VR environment, you need a place to do it and enough energy to keep things operating. They're Sleepers, who do genetics research. Anoikis, "without house". If Oruze Osobnyk translates to "Sleep House/Mansion", then Anoikis is a rather funny reference to being "sleepless". Or Awake. Sleepless Defenders... anyone seeing a pattern here? EDIT: Also, Temporal Cartesian Coordinators. Quote: For some unknown reason, this particular coordinator is configured to synchronize its processing speed in time with the distance travelled between two points. What purpose this serves remains a mystery, but the object's basic functionality can be reconfigured. With the addition of a few other components, it would allow electronics systems to more easily withstand the interference from subspace distortion. Distance between two points. Distance between letters... they're programmers... I thought it was rather clever. :)
Nikilaiki Ruutarhara Caldari Project Daedalid	Posted - 2010.07.26 14:44:00 - [83] Originally by: Wyke Mossari Oruze Enclave: Mostly Covered elsewhere, but why two residential areas, which seem out of place. Oruze Osobnyk Oruze Construct
Pottsey Enheduanni Foundation	Posted - 2010.07.26 14:57:00 - [84] Nikilaiki Ruutarhara said "What if the Monoliths are W-space." I still believe the Monoliths are nothing more than an ester egg. Both the Monoliths and the very famous line "It's full of stars." go hand in hand. Game wise they date back over 7 years well before wormhole space was planned out. It would be very odd to turn a game Easter egg about a famous book into a key part of the story. Unless one of the devs say otherwise I think we are wasting time looking at the Monoliths. They are just an Easter egg about a famous book. Not the mention the copyright problems of having Monoliths that are stargate into wormhole space. CCP would get into too much trouble over that. ______ How to Passive Shield Tank T2
Nikilaiki Ruutarhara Caldari Project Daedalid	Posted - 2010.07.26 15:28:00 - [85] Originally by: Pottsey Nikilaiki Ruutarhara said "What if the Monoliths are W-space." I still believe the Monoliths are nothing more than an ester egg. Both the Monoliths and the very famous line "It's full of stars." go hand in hand. Game wise they date back over 7 years well before wormhole space was planned out. It would be very odd to turn a game Easter egg about a famous book into a key part of the story. Unless one of the devs say otherwise I think we are wasting time looking at the Monoliths. They are just an Easter egg about a famous book. Not the mention the copyright problems of having Monoliths that are stargate into wormhole space. CCP would get into too much trouble over that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_J._Tipler#The_Omega_Point
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2010.07.26 16:03:00 - [86] I am with Pottsey here; the Black Monoliths does not seem to have any significant importance despite being decoration. They are only found at two non-anomaly sites (to my knowledge); Forgotten Perimeter Gateway and Unsecured Perimeter Transponder Farm, and at both locations are there plenty of other generic decoration structures. Further, at both sites the Sleeper Enclave's have been ripped apart, which is not special as that has happened at many other locations too. There is nothing special about these enclaves (no Sleeper Engineering Stations for example) and the monoliths are placed in no connection with the Sleeper structures. If the monoliths were important for the Sleepers it would surely be reflected in the way they build and care for the structures they placed near them. There is nothing of the kind. And why study monoliths in w-space when there are plenty around in k-space? They appear at mission sites all the time and are found at static complexes too. -- Mr. Science & Trade Institute - EVE Lorebook - Mysteries of W-space
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2010.07.26 16:35:00 - [87] And a serotonin receptor? Serotonin is used for regulating digestion in both animals and humans. -- Mr. Science & Trade Institute - EVE Lorebook - Mysteries of W-space
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2010.07.26 17:00:00 - [88] Edited by: Jowen Datloran on 26/07/2010 17:03:14 Hurray, double post. -- Mr. Science & Trade Institute - EVE Lorebook - Mysteries of W-space
Wyke Mossari Gallente Staner Industries	Posted - 2010.07.26 17:09:00 - [89] Edited by: Wyke Mossari on 26/07/2010 17:22:02 Regarding the Monoliths, a tribute to Space Odyssey. I think the Mirror, gives enough to conclude it is probably a Tipler Universal Simulation. Oneiromantic, appears in many descriptions. Oneiromancy (from the Greek Oneiroi) is a form of divination based upon dreams; it is a system of dream interpretation that uses dreams to predict the future.
Nikita Alterana Gallente Risen Angels	Posted - 2010.07.27 05:57:00 - [90] Originally by: Nikilaiki Ruutarhara Edited by: Nikilaiki Ruutarhara on 27/07/2010 00:49:32 Don't do this Nikiruu, please. Talk to me. Life isn't about Waiting for the storm to pass. It's about standing in the rain.



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