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Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.06.15 18:54:00 - [1] Let's hope it isn't a WoW clone. - Originally by: Bellum Eternus That is the beauty of Eve, it's a crucible in which great minds are formed and the rest are ground to dust. Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam.
Zindela Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2010.06.15 19:13:00 - [2] Warhammer online was already released... I'm pretty sure it tried to be a WoW clone, and failed. ------------------- Insert Witty Statement Here.
MooKids Caldari The Graduates Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.06.15 19:17:00 - [3] Yeah, but WAR was made by EA Games, so it was expected to fail. The WH40K MMO has been in production for quite some time and all we get are a few screenshots showing two races? I think we are going to have to wait even longer. -------------------------------- CCP can patch away bugs, but they can't patch away stupidity.
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet	Posted - 2010.06.15 19:21:00 - [4] Most of the assets shown looked so familiar, that it looked like another dawn of war game. I also think it propably is another warcraft online game or a themepark game. I hope it isn't and has something different to offer, but my expectations on new MMOs is pretty low at the moment.
FunzzeR Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.06.15 20:05:00 - [5] Looks like a WoW clone, and a terrible one at that. PRAISE THE SCOTTISH FOLD!! THEIR WILL SHALL BE DONE!!
Meiyang Lee Gallente Azteca Transportation Unlimited Gunboat Diplomacy	Posted - 2010.06.15 20:11:00 - [6] The best thing to do is to expect this game to be the worst possible version, I think. That way it may surprise us if it is decent, or prove us right. But that is still preferable to having your hopes of a good game crushed utterly when it releases as a steaming turd. It really depends on how much freedom the developer has been given by THQ. If that freedom is near absolute, it may stand a chance.
Zeredek Gallente Vanguard Venture	Posted - 2010.06.15 21:09:00 - [7] I'll only play it if they have Grey Knights Originally by: CCP Soundwave Shady deals? IN MY EVE ONLINE? I don't believe it.
Malcanis Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.06.15 21:31:00 - [8] I'm totally certain it wont be another limited RvR + mostly PvE grindfest with a deliciously abusive cash shop. Games Workshop would never permit such a thing, let alone demand a shockingly huge cut of the cash. </opposite day> Opposite day finishes in 2 hours, right? <opposite day> Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.
Bek Thyron	Posted - 2010.06.15 22:31:00 - [9] Originally by: Zeredek I'll only play it if they have World Eaters Gorelevel = max please.
Gneeznow Minmatar Ship spinners inc	Posted - 2010.06.15 23:09:00 - [10] looks stupid

Cikulisuy Amarr The Maverick Navy IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.15 23:18:00 - [11] let's hope against hope that the slogan isn't in the grim dark future, there is only /dance nub> you cant mine so you kill.
Slade Trillgon Endless Possibilities Inc. Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.06.15 23:26:00 - [12] Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 15/06/2010 23:26:51 Originally by: Malcanis I'm totally certain it wont be another limited RvR + mostly PvE grindfest with a deliciously abusive cash shop. Games Workshop would never permit such a thing, let alone dem null and a shockingly huge cut of the cash. </opposite day> Opposite day finishes in 2 hours, right? <opposite day> TouchT A MMO based upon the Warhammer 40K Universe is only possible in a WoW clone format; considering the WH40K player base, a WoW clone is a path of imminent destruction for any WH40K MMO. EDIT: IMHO Slade :Signature Temporarily Disabled:
Thuranni The Dark Space Initiative Revival Of The Talocan Empire	Posted - 2010.06.15 23:43:00 - [13] Originally by: Slade Trillgon Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 15/06/2010 23:26:51 Originally by: Malcanis I'm totally certain it wont be another limited RvR + mostly PvE grindfest with a deliciously abusive cash shop. Games Workshop would never permit such a thing, let alone dem null and a shockingly huge cut of the cash. </opposite day> Opposite day finishes in 2 hours, right? <opposite day> TouchT A MMO based upon the Warhammer 40K Universe is only possible in a WoW clone format; considering the WH40K player base, a WoW clone is a path of imminent destruction for any WH40K MMO. EDIT: IMHO Slade What? Can you please elaborate on why you believe that a 40k mmo is "only possible in a WoW clone format"? I daresay that the 40k universe wouldn't work well, at all, as a WOW clone. Sci-fi doesn't really lend itself well to WOW clones. The absolute best way to make a 40k MMO would be to make it a MMO FPS similar to Planetside. Now that'd be just ****ing amazing.
Winged Crime Minmatar	Posted - 2010.06.16 00:12:00 - [14] Can someone explain to me how and why people are saying "WoW clone" when all you've seen are some art assets? Seriously, you have nothing to go on. Or are you basing it on Greenskins, and typical Orcish engineering and typical setpieces? News flash: Games Workshop has been in business a lot longer than Blizzard.
So Sensational GREY COUNCIL Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2010.06.16 00:45:00 - [15] Originally by: Winged Crime Can someone explain to me how and why people are saying "WoW clone" when all you've seen are some art assets? Seriously, you have nothing to go on. Or are you basing it on Greenskins, and typical Orcish engineering and typical setpieces? News flash: Games Workshop has been in business a lot longer than Blizzard. Is this an MMO released post WoW? If you ticked the yes box, see "History of MMOs: 101" page 99, the chapter called "Why has every MMO released since 2003 been so similar to WoW, I just don't get it !?!?!?1". If you ticked the no box, look at a calendar. News flash: Get real. p.s. I did see a crosshair in the video, I bet there's going to be a tabula rasa style "FPS" system in this game.
Slade Trillgon Endless Possibilities Inc. Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.06.16 00:47:00 - [16] I guess you all did not get what Bellum was talking about. Yes Games Workshop has been around longer then Blizzard. But who has the most experience in creating computer games? With Games Workshops' history of bleeding their customers pockets, I doubt they will try to make a fringe game because that is not where the money is at. Hence my opinion. And yes I could be completely off the mark. Also, I when it comes to entertainment, I do not see any difference between sci-fi and fantasy. Sci-fi is nothing but high tech fantasy. Slade :Signature Temporarily Disabled:
Winged Crime Minmatar	Posted - 2010.06.16 00:54:00 - [17] Well I have to partially apologize, I didn't see the trailer when I first looked and thought people were basing all their opinions/statements on the screenshots they have linked there. The trailer loaded correctly this time and I watched it. So new comment: Even if it was a WoW clone, if it worked good and whatnot - the franchise and presentation will be 98% less childish, making it a better game for me ;)
Slade Trillgon Endless Possibilities Inc. Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.06.16 01:01:00 - [18] Also, do not get me wrong. I hope I am completely and utterly incorrect. Slade :Signature Temporarily Disabled:
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.06.16 02:13:00 - [19] Originally by: Slade Trillgon I guess you all did not get what Bellum was talking about. Yes Games Workshop has been around longer then Blizzard. But who has the most experience in creating computer games? With Games Workshops' history of bleeding their customers pockets, I doubt they will try to make a fringe game because that is not where the money is at. Hence my opinion. And yes I could be completely off the mark. Also, I when it comes to entertainment, I do not see any difference between sci-fi and fantasy. Sci-fi is nothing but high tech fantasy. Slade If only everyone was as astute as you Blade... - Originally by: Bellum Eternus That is the beauty of Eve, it's a crucible in which great minds are formed and the rest are ground to dust. Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam.
Brolly Caldari Icarus' Wings	Posted - 2010.06.16 09:17:00 - [20] Video of said game, yeah, looks WOWish with it's cartoony characters. Wish game devs would get the **** over the WOW thing, especially the art as not everyone is an 8 year old who wants pretty, colourful things. This game will probably go the way of the last games workshop MMO, if only they went for a darker, grittier setting and maybe gave a bit of thought instead of printing out wannabe WOW dollars. So sad

Mal Kuni	Posted - 2010.06.16 11:14:00 - [21] Honestly, what do you expect ? WoW was, and still is a huge success. Developing companies are hard pressed to produce profit and so they blindly catter to the flawed idea that making wow clones will somehow make them shine. Blizzard is simply the best at producing immature, shallow and simplistic but highly addictive games and they will never topple them, and they all wanted a piece of that cake. I am still eagerly awaiting the about to be epic failure called SWTOR. The reason EVE succeeded is because it's target audience is very different to that of a WOW. Don't mess with Blizzard, you are gonna die in a fire.
Jago Kain Amarr Ramm's RDI Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2010.06.16 12:27:00 - [22] Originally by: Mal Kuni ...Blizzard is simply the best at producing immature, shallow and simplistic but highly addictive games and they will never topple them, and they all wanted a piece of that cake... ...Don't mess with Blizzard, you are gonna die in a fire. When it comes to milking fan bois of every last penny by pushing badly developed, overpriced cartoony crap at them, Blizzard aren't even in the same league as Games Workshop, who have been doing it to the table top war-gaming and RPG community for about 30 years now. If anyone can beat Blizzard at their own game it's GW... I'm just surprised it has taken this long for them to get around to it. ___________________________________________________ The game will never be over, because we're keeping the meme alive.
Winged Crime Minmatar	Posted - 2010.06.16 12:40:00 - [23] Politely back to my original attitude, as someone who was involved with WoW in the past as well as games workshop products in the past... I'm still having trouble understanding what you're basing alleged similarities on. We've not seen/heard hardly a thing. Is it the art style? The presence of a portrait with health bars in the upper left of the UI? (like almost every non-space RPG-ish game?) At bare minimum, at least there are no midgets with purple mohawks riding purple elephants yet. Though if you know anything about Ork lore in 40k, you might end up seeing that minus the elephant :)
Alexeph Stoekai Stoekai Corp	Posted - 2010.06.16 14:03:00 - [24] I still think Necromunda would be an infinitely better setting for an MMO. -----
Terranid Meester Tactical Assault and Recon Unit	Posted - 2010.06.16 14:28:00 - [25] The land looks like WoW with space marines and titans. Various fallout 3 warhammer 40k mods look far better, an example - Fallout 3 Space Marines
TimMc Pilots Of Honour Aeternus.	Posted - 2010.06.16 14:38:00 - [26] Originally by: Bek Thyron Originally by: Zeredek I'll only play it if they have World Eaters Gorelevel = max please. Yes please. I would love this MMO if I could be a chaos lord and travel through the warp to planets and burn them all.
Zyck Void-Wolf	Posted - 2010.06.16 15:00:00 - [27] From the website: Quote: On the very edge of the galaxy lies the Sargos Sector. For centuries it was rendered uninhabitable and isolated by volatile Warp Storms. Even now, deep within the sector the very fabric of reality is unraveling. Only the ancient Sentinel Devices hold the Warp at bay. But the ravages of time and meddling of humanity have weakened the Sentinel Devices-and now, the battle for these ost worlds is at hand. Drawn to the conflict, the great races of the galaxy descend upon the Sargos Sector, seeking to preserve reality-or to tear it asunder. Side with the forces of Order, or the vile hosts of Destruction, in a war that will unlock ancient secrets, reveal dark purposes, and determine the fate of the Sargos Sector. For in this dark millennium, there is no peace amongst the stars, only an eternity of carnage and slaughter. Bold parts for emphasis. I can now pretty safely say, after reading this, and seeing the art style, we're ****ed.
Winged Crime Minmatar	Posted - 2010.06.16 15:13:00 - [28] I still fail to see the problem. Looking for a compelling argument or an explanation as to how "it's a WoW clone" conclusions are being drawn based on seeing hardly anything at all. Or why that would be a bad thing with this universe. Something based on a universe and people/creatures with concretely outlined hierarchy and things aren't going to be an Eve... there has to be a structured reason why an individual can carry on solo and group play. With that said, you know what would kill a 40k game? (and imo, a necromunda game as someone talked about earlier?) A mawfk'n GORKAMORKA game. Seriously. Nothing would be better if it was done properly. I've long wanted a real mad max mmo, and gorkamorka would maybe be even better. Rich opportunities for both personal character development and group play and awesome world w/ pvp and sandboxism. Of course, the game being out of print and 'obscure' to new kids looking for games to play means it would probably never happen but i'd be a happy camper :) (and no, fallen earth doesn't count, and neither does that terrible gorkamorka PC game from yesteryear)
Zyck Void-Wolf	Posted - 2010.06.16 15:30:00 - [29] The problem is that two faction RvR type games fail horribly if there's any meaningful open world PvP or conquest. You need three factions to balance it out. Also, shiny cartoon graphics are not 40k.


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