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Mr Kidd
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Posted - 2010.06.16 03:21:00 -
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Interesting behavior I'm seeing in WC since Tyrannis. This is my second WC since the expansion. I haven't really been playing all that much since it basically nerfed my income to hell. The first I was in a Navy Mega, noticed that I was aggro'd by both side on the first room with the two gates.
Tonight I'm in a drone boat because I want to do a little research while letting my drones tackle the rats. I don't want to have to actively manage targets and guns. Wrong! I aggroed the rats, launched drones and immediately they start targeting the drones....all of them.
CCP, if you're idea is to make us be attentive to the game at all times , I can respect that. How about you reduce the grind factor, huh? This is getting f**king ridiculous, seriously. You reduce the loot to pauper proportions. And for those of us that can't knock out the missions in 30 minutes that means you've significantly increased our grind factor by at least 40%.
Making the rats more annoying doesn't make missioning more challenging. If you want to give us more of a challenge how about making the rats use more sophisticated tactics? Oh that's right, your game while graphically 3d is as plainly two dimensional as a piece of paper.
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Jamie Banks
Gallente Wasted and Still Mining
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Posted - 2010.06.16 03:51:00 -
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The ninja salvager actually has to do work now huh?
WC4 has always been like this with the AI, they re-aggro drones due to proximity bubbles and some other things. On the very rare occasion a mission runner occasionally has to use his brain and pay attention. _____________________________
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Widemouth Deepthroat
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Posted - 2010.06.16 04:02:00 -
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never had much trouble sitting at the gate sniping them with sentry drones
if you can't handle it you could always use the key from Zamzziahifgh
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.06.16 05:01:00 -
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Weren't you the one ninja who could not adapt to the nerf?
Anyway you could try using someone else's work once again and read my 2 months old "how to do WC with drones" post @EvE-Survival.
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Celia Therone
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Posted - 2010.06.16 05:35:00 -
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Rats in the first room of world's collide appear to have a tethering mechanic (this isn't new). If they fly too far from their origin point then they abandon the chase, lose their locks and fly back to where they started. If you have drones fighting them then they will often re-lock onto the drones and kill them. I'd guess that the tether is in the 25-40km range.
If you want to fight them with mobile drones then you have to fly pretty much up to the group and aggro them so that they don't exceed their tethers. Or you can pay attention and recall your drones as necessary but depending on what you're fighting and the drones that you're fielding you can still lose them.
Fighting them with sentry drones is much easier although even dual omni garde ii's can't hit some groups from their gate.
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Aqriue
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Posted - 2010.06.16 05:54:00 -
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WC4 is a terrible mission, I won't do it anymore as its to difficult to get done in a timely manner without warping out many times and just not fun at all to do. The first room puts targets outside the range of most T1 ships and guns, requiring you burn towards the target then burn towards back towards the gate. When you get to the second room, you smack in the middle of webbing drones so you can't really burn away quickly and should you deploy drones you then aggro every other group which will just melt through your tank after you recall them. The only way to really do this room is to overtank a dominix, aggro everything, and let heavy drones fly on agressive while your AFK.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.06.16 06:31:00 -
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Originally by: Aqriue WC4 is a terrible mission, I won't do it anymore as its to difficult to get done in a timely manner without warping out many times and just not fun at all to do. The first room puts targets outside the range of most T1 ships and guns, requiring you burn towards the target then burn towards back towards the gate. When you get to the second room, you smack in the middle of webbing drones so you can't really burn away quickly and should you deploy drones you then aggro every other group which will just melt through your tank after you recall them. The only way to really do this room is to overtank a dominix, aggro everything, and let heavy drones fly on agressive while your AFK.
I do the Angel + Sansha version and tbh it's not _that_ bad. I tend to get some fat cash out of the whole thing. IIRC you can bypass the first pocket rats by using a card you get in like 10k specimens in another mission. I just use 2 battleships (med and short range), WC becomes a quick joke with them.
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Shade Millith
Caldari Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.06.16 06:44:00 -
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Originally by: Aqriue WC4 is a terrible mission,
wat
WC was always one of the missions I'd be praying to get when I ran missions ------------------------
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Misanthra
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Posted - 2010.06.16 07:06:00 -
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drones are only as ineffective as their owner lets them be lol. You have to keep them in line sometimes. My drones most of the time actually think for themselves pretty decent. Other times, some guidance needed. Or as mentioned go afk sentry design.
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Seraph Castillon
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.06.16 07:42:00 -
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Set drones to passive and you should have no problem. Also don't agro more than one group if they don't auto agro you first.
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Astald Ohtar
Tous Pour Un Une Pour Tous
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Posted - 2010.06.16 09:19:00 -
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Oh noes! I cant afk run missions ! CCP nerfed mission runner to oblivion !
Didnt you quit already ?
WC is one of the best missions there, in term of AI and rewards , and how the hell did you get agroed in the first room by both side o.O
Try hellokittyonline this game is too difficult for you
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.06.16 09:46:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Kidd Interesting behavior I'm seeing in WC since Tyrannis.
This isn't new behaviour, just for the recordà
Quote: Tonight I'm in a drone boat because I want to do a little research while letting my drones tackle the rats. I don't want to have to actively manage targets and guns. Wrong! I aggroed the rats, launched drones and immediately they start targeting the drones....all of them.
Which WC was this? What factions were involved.
Drone boats eat the Gurista/Serpentis WC4 for breakfast ù it's just a matter of doing things in the right order and leaving the frigates for last. It's been like that since forever. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Derelicht
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Posted - 2010.06.16 11:12:00 -
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At least you can afk a lot of the other missions.
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Mr Kidd
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Posted - 2010.06.16 12:17:00 -
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All of ya's, take your tongue and swab my poop deck with it.
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Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
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Posted - 2010.06.16 12:30:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Kidd All of ya's, take your tongue and swab my poop deck with it.
Wow! Someone really didn't like the answers he got.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.06.16 12:33:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Kidd All of ya's, take your tongue and swab my poop deck with it.
It really hurts to get so thoroughly exposed as this, doesn't it? ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
General Trajan
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2010.06.16 14:09:00 -
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use a sniper fit BS in the first room and there's no need to even budge from warp in point. prob solved!
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Backho
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Posted - 2010.06.16 14:19:00 -
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Train caldari.
Problem solved.
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Captain Pompous
Is Right Even When He's Wrong So Deal With It
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Posted - 2010.06.16 14:38:00 -
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The tears from unemployed (or should that be unemployable?) Ninja salvagers are far, far sweeter than those of mission runners.
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Kerr avonn
Minmatar Standard By 10
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Posted - 2010.06.16 14:42:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Kidd All of ya's, take your tongue and swab my poop deck with it.
MR?? got some growing up to do before people call you mister i think
WC hasent changed just lvl4's are tougher than lvl3's
And the second room (angel side) is a cake walk, even with my 1400mm 'arty' fit. When the webber frigs are furthest away from the other groups in the room 'thats when you set your drones on them' or risk full room aggro, and the drone thats draws the aggro, simply recall that drone and the aggro will cease. I use mael with 2 mission hardeners, 1 xl booster, 2 TC's and an AB, so you can see my tank aint all that and i can still survive full agg, either im too good or your really bad??
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Psychotic Maniac
Caldari Head Shrinkers
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Posted - 2010.06.16 15:08:00 -
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Originally by: Kerr avonn Edited by: Kerr avonn on 16/06/2010 14:50:16
Originally by: Mr Kidd All of ya's, take your tongue and swab my poop deck with it.
MR?? got some growing up to do before people call you mister i think
WC hasent changed just lvl4's are tougher than lvl3's
And the second room (angel side) is a cake walk, even with my 1400mm 'arty' fit. When the webber frigs are furthest away from the other groups in the room 'thats when you set your drones on them' or risk full room aggro, and the drone thats draws the aggro, simply recall that drone and the aggro will cease. I use mael with 2 mission hardeners, 1 xl booster, 2 TC's and an AB, so you can see my tank aint all that and i can still survive full agg, either im too good or your really bad??
EDIT...And if your taking more than 20-25 minutes in a T1 (T2 fitted and better) battleship then something is very wrong
you talk a whole lot like you think you know more than others. fyi noob, 800mm ac are much better than artys. --
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Zartrader
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Posted - 2010.06.16 15:12:00 -
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Edited by: Zartrader on 16/06/2010 15:14:59
WC is easier than most of WOW content. That's true of all missions. That's all I have to say.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.06.16 15:21:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 16/06/2010 15:22:01 In factà Originally by: Backho
Train caldari.
Problem solved.
àfixed.
That's really all there is to it. WC doesn't cause more problems with drones than any other missions where you want to watch your spawn/aggro triggers. There quite literally isn't any problem to solve here. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Kerr avonn
Minmatar Standard By 10
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Posted - 2010.06.16 16:35:00 -
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Edited by: Kerr avonn on 16/06/2010 16:44:00
Originally by: Psychotic Maniac you talk a whole lot like you think you know more than others. fyi noob, 800mm ac are much better than artys.
FYI foolish troll, you know nothing, mael=arty platform, mach=auto's platform... those who fit arty's to a machariel and those who fit auto's to a maelstrom either dont have the isk for the two ship's or dont have a clue about ship fitting to best effect. Also i know what i know, if its more than you you'll get over it.
EDIT...Im guessing your in the 'takes over two hours to complete' club? Lol...noobs
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Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.06.16 18:04:00 -
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Recall the 1 drone that is being attacked, and the others will be left alone.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Reckoning.
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Posted - 2010.06.16 18:56:00 -
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Quote: The tears from unemployed (or should that be unemployable?) Ninja salvagers are far, far sweeter than those of mission runners.
That's okay, we didn't want him anyway.
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Caldari citizen52145894561
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Posted - 2010.06.16 19:30:00 -
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if you are talking about the quest with the two different pirates at war with each other, you can solo that in a destroyer, I did it in a Coercer and killed everything in the first room, if you are having problems with rats in the first room, bring a cruiser, kill everything, then warp out and come back in a destroyer or frigate so you can move on to the next room
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Psychotic Maniac
Caldari Head Shrinkers
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Posted - 2010.06.16 20:54:00 -
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Originally by: Kerr avonn Edited by: Kerr avonn on 16/06/2010 16:44:00
Originally by: Psychotic Maniac you talk a whole lot like you think you know more than others. fyi noob, 800mm ac are much better than artys.
FYI foolish troll, you know nothing, mael=arty platform, mach=auto's platform... those who fit arty's to a machariel and those who fit auto's to a maelstrom either dont have the isk for the two ship's or dont have a clue about ship fitting to best effect. Also i know what i know, if its more than you you'll get over it.
EDIT...Im guessing your in the 'takes over two hours to complete' club? Lol...noobs
you're a f*ckin moron. you just said you think artys>ac vrs. angels. the only noob here is you. in case you're wondering I'm in the 10 minute club for wc mish vrs. angel/sansha, blood/angel take your pick of ships. NM, Mach, Pal, all work well with close range guns.
So, maybe you need to learn how to fit your mael or get some more sp? --
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Kerr avonn
Minmatar Standard By 10
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Posted - 2010.06.16 21:43:00 -
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Originally by: Psychotic Maniac you're a f*ckin moron. you just said you think artys>ac vrs. angels. the only noob here is you.
Huh? why the hell are you trolling me? You can think I'm wrong, but that's no reason to stop thinking.
Originally by: Psychotic Maniac in case you're wondering I'm in the 10 minute club for wc mish vrs. angel/sansha, blood/angel take your pick of ships. NM, Mach, Pal, all work well with close range guns.
We all have something to bring to this discussion. But I think from now on the thing you should bring is silence.
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Mal Lokrano
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.06.17 08:39:00 -
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Idk about you but I ran WC the other day and had no problems at all. I use an Ishtar. The enemies aggrieved me and stayed on me and never touched my drones. It was the Serpentis/Guristas version. ____________________________________________ When going to a party with wine, women, and song. Always ascertain the vintage of the first two. |
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