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dexington
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Posted - 2010.06.16 15:58:00 -
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I read this thread HTFU - PvP, which tells you that all you need to PvP is a rifter. I wanted to try it out, and i did'nt find it was as great as some people said it would be.
1: It takes forever to find other players, i may have picked a bad region, but flying around for hours looking for other people, is more boring the running missions.
2: Most ship that i scanned was cruisers, battlecruisers, or better. Even when small ships would be in the system they would be t2 versions.
How to do get into PvP, do i need to wait until get access to getter ships or should i try another region?
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Krathos Morpheus
Legion Infernal
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Posted - 2010.06.16 16:48:00 -
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Find other people to fly with. Try this.
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Skex Relbore
Gallente
Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.16 17:10:00 -
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1 Establish Isk source (or sell GTC's)
2 buy a bunch of rifters and move them to Tourier/alentene
with modules to fit them.
3 Join RVB either red or blue team.
4 Find out that Rifters are basically space junk with
warpdrives and guns taped on.
5 Train Amarr frigate
6 Start pimping your Killboard
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Krathos Morpheus
Legion Infernal
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Posted - 2010.06.16 17:14:00 -
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 Originally by: Skex Relbore
1 Establish Isk source (or sell GTC's)
2 buy a bunch of rifters and move them to Tourier/alentene
with modules to fit them.
3 Join RVB either red or blue team.
4 Find out that Rifters are basically space junk with
warpdrives and guns taped on.
5 Train Amarr frigate
6 Start pimping your Killboard
I do not approve of this step list since it lacks a mysterious step (???) and the Profit! step.
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Kate Yeats
Caldari
Everyshore Mineral Acquisition Authority
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Posted - 2010.06.16 17:40:00 -
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Originally by: Skex Relbore
4 Find out that Rifters are basically space junk with
warpdrives and guns taped on.
Effective space junk though, able to beat other frigates and cruisers in a 1-on-1. Only thing you have to worry about is EWAR and Drones (arrrgh a Vexor, run away!)
The other bit of your post that went:
Originally by: Skex Relbore
3 Join RVB either red or blue team.
Was spot on though.
Sadly op, this is how things are in PvP. If you want action, hang around Tama or Old Man's Star and you'll find plenty of other pilots, just nothing you can kill in a Rifter. Don't be too disheartened, part of PvP is losing ships so dive right into that HAC blob and see how she fares, make corrections and get back out there and keep trying.
You never know, you might get lucky and find a fail fit or a nub belt ratting.
In short though, yeah go RvB or Faction Warfare if you want something to shoot.
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Destamon
Caldari
Azure Freelancers
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Posted - 2010.06.16 23:07:00 -
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RvB is a great outfit; you're pretty much guaranteed a fight within ten-twenty minutes of logging on. I doubt you can get this amount of experience with PVP frigate combat this fast anywhere else in EVE. Rifters are versatile and fun to fly, but they are very often primaried over more heavily tanked frigates (Punisher, Merlin) in RvB small fleet engagements.
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Jill Xelitras
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.06.17 07:55:00 -
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Few people are willing to fight when they stand a 50% or less chance to win, since nobody likes to lose. I fully approve of the RvB suggestion, because there you'll find pilots who accept that losing a frigate is the entrance fee to more experience.
In eve you will rarely find balanced fights, unless they are consensual and even then you can be easily forced to bite off more then you can swallow. Fights usually tend to have an easier time finding you then you have finding them.
Jill.
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Idicious Lightbane
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2010.06.19 01:11:00 -
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Another recommendation for Red vs Blue, the fleet fights are balanced by the fc's, 1vs1's are required to be honored, no pod killing. Besides that they also have joint ops into 0.0 and low-sec periodly, most fight are with t1 cr and below and you can get a fight very quickly.
Join the channel R-V-B ingame and check out which side needs more and aply to either Red Federation or Blue Republic
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Inggroth
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Posted - 2010.06.20 08:37:00 -
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Edited by: Inggroth on 20/06/2010 08:37:57
Originally by: Skex Relbore
1 Establish Isk source (or sell GTC's)
2 buy a bunch of rifters and move them to Tourier/alentene
with modules to fit them.
3 Join RVB either red or blue team.
4 Find out that Rifters are basically space junk with
warpdrives and guns taped on.
5 Train Amarr frigate
6 Start pimping your Killboard
Nah its:
1. Establish Isk source (or sell GTC's)
2. buy a bunch of Punishers and move them to Tourier/alentene
with modules to fit them.
3. Join RVB either red or blue team.
4. Find out that Punisher is a f***ing brick with no damage and 2 mids. Curse yourself for getting Amarr Frigate V
5. Train Minmatar frigate
6. get your first solo-kill in lowsec
7. find out that RvB is either frig-blobs or ppl solo with all V and hg snakes/slaves
8. Leave RvB and start roaming Tama/Old Man Star/Amamake solo
9. Spend A LOT of time d-scanning ppl
10. die horribly to blobs/traps/taranises
11. eventually get some kills and learn a crapton
12. ???
13. profit!
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dexington
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Posted - 2010.06.20 09:10:00 -
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Originally by: Inggroth
7. find out that RvB is either frig-blobs or ppl solo with all V and hg snakes/slaves
i'm around that point now...
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Skex Relbore
Gallente
Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.21 14:46:00 -
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Originally by: Inggroth
Edited by: Inggroth on 20/06/2010 08:37:57
Originally by: Skex Relbore
1 Establish Isk source (or sell GTC's)
2 buy a bunch of rifters and move them to Tourier/alentene
with modules to fit them.
3 Join RVB either red or blue team.
4 Find out that Rifters are basically space junk with
warpdrives and guns taped on.
5 Train Amarr frigate
6 Start pimping your Killboard
Nah its:
1. Establish Isk source (or sell GTC's)
2. buy a bunch of Punishers and move them to Tourier/alentene
with modules to fit them.
3. Join RVB either red or blue team.
4. Find out that Punisher is a f***ing brick with no damage and 2 mids. Curse yourself for getting Amarr Frigate V
5. Train Minmatar frigate
6. get your first solo-kill in lowsec
7. find out that RvB is either frig-blobs or ppl solo with all V and hg snakes/slaves
8. Leave RvB and start roaming Tama/Old Man Star/Amamake solo
9. Spend A LOT of time d-scanning ppl
10. die horribly to blobs/traps/taranises
11. eventually get some kills and learn a crapton
12. ???
13. profit!
LOL gotta love it when someone with a combat record like your's dogs us RVB fail PVPers.
The question was about learning to PVP. Now RVB won't teach you everything about PVP but what it will do is get you real used to being engaged in combat and losing ships. It will also allow you to get some wins under your belt so you can gain a little confidence.
Yes we do a lot of Frig fights but that's because they are easy on peoples wallets and tend to be fast paced and fun. Our fights are also far more likely to be reasonably fair than you'll see in most of EVE (at least in numbers and ship classes) Though we will happily gank you if it's not an arranged fight.
Not everyone out soloing is rocking pirate implants and pirate implants aren't an automatic IWIN button anyway (witness my fail solo record).
As to the Rifter v Punisher thing which is better depends on what you're doing. Rifters are great for soloing since they allow you to pick your engagements and do well against most other ships 1v1.
They are however crap in fleets since they have good dps but crap all for tank. So they tend to get primaried early and often compared to Punishers and Merlins which can soak 4-5k of damage before poofing.
I mostly solo (badly I'm working on it though)in a rifter but use Puni's for fleets.
We also do all sorts of stuff in addition to frig fights and 1v1's. We have tournaments and Free for alls we have two FFA systems established for people to go and roam about killing any RVB member they can(either team. We have the occasional gate camp and do a fair amount of station games (mainly to stir up the opposition team for other things)
I've seen engagements escalate from t1 frig roams up to battleship/battlecruiser slug outs.
There are Null sec excursions and we've even been talking about doing some wormhole ops recently.
We also get a volume of fights that's hard to match. You had what 9 fights in the last 7 days? one of which hardly qualified as a fight. In contrast I've killed 120 enemy ships (at least BC seems to miss a few kills from time to time) and lost 7 flying and losing some far bigger and more expensive stuff that you're playing around with.
In addition to the 356 frigates I've killed I've also killed 123 cruisers 40 Battlecruisers 29 destroyers 16 assault ships 8 battleships 5 interceptors 2 industrials and a Recon. Yeah that really looks like nothing but frig blobs lol.
Most of this activity was generated in 2 months play and I'm not as active as many (have a family and don't get on until real late).
In the two months I've been flying with RVB I've went from losing my ship every single fight to keeping them on most. I'm currently learning to FC and am working on my solo skills.
I'm also having a hell of a lot of fun doing it hanging out with and killing some pretty cool folks.
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Idicious Lightbane
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2010.06.22 08:06:00 -
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Confirming RvB is a great place to get alot of fast action with people willing to fight. I think what's being referred to is there was a little bit of drama with a small amount of players ganking alot of the newer members and generally not keeping in the 'RvB spirit' of pvp with full pirate implants flying mostly angle ships and the like.
Most if not all of those left before I did however, for me it was just time for something new and I've had a blast there and would recommend to to everyone interested in PvP.
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Major Trant
Tribal Core
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Posted - 2010.06.22 09:23:00 -
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I too would totally recommend RvB as an early PvP experience to any player. I joined at 6 weeks old and ended up staying 4 months. I was involved in several hundred kills in that time, regularly did roams to low and null sec and a couple into Wormholes. I confirm that I got on KMs for T3 Cruisers, BS, BC, HACs, Recons, Logistics, Covops and everything lower, never got on a Capital kill but they have occurred on a couple of roams.
RvB has some sensible guidelines in place to bring the fight (arranged fights) and minimise losses (no podding), but it is no kid gloves, hello kitty experience. I got podded 8 times and regularly ganked while I was there and I podded, ganked and lost sec status too.
Be aware that RvB is constantly changing as the membership churns constantly, one week it is blob fest and big ships with a lot or organising to get a couple of big fights, the next week it is a kill fest of little gang and soloist action. The week after that one side struggles to get an FC and it is off to low sec.
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Joe Starbreaker
M. Corp
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Posted - 2010.06.22 15:47:00 -
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I might recommend the M. Corp Academy, a division of my alliance that's all about training up new players. Yesterday a bunch of us spent a few hours dueling T1 frigates in Rens, and much was learned. Chief among the learnings was that a Rifter is screwed if it encounters a speed-fit, kiting Kestrel with good range.
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