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Fred0 Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.17 06:55:00 - [1] Originally by: dastommy79 EAT MY SHORTS FRED0! We lost a fight. We lost more titans than anyone ever has before in a fight. All we can do is tip our hat at our opponents and work harder to make sure it doesn't happen again. GJ WN and co. That you went home to the south after one much smaller loss dastommy. That's the difference between your fair weather alliances and the NC. And to the rest of the gloaters (not WN and co, they deserve to gloat right now. :)), have your time now and use it well. You'll probably be back on your knees in no time. :D --- "Cutting Edge 4 Life"
Fred0 Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.17 20:19:00 - [2] Vuk, any isk you earn by bets is to be shared. We lost titans too remember ;) --- "Cutting Edge 4 Life"
Fred0 Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.17 21:49:00 - [3] Originally by: Minigin That the titans magically respawned at beacons does not mean you did not lose them vuk. You conveniently forget that those that have reappeared where the ones that legitimately jumped out but were respawned back in system at various times and now spawned again in the right system. The two of them that never loaded and got killed long after has not respawned. Atleast to our knowledge. --- "Cutting Edge 4 Life"
Fred0 Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.18 13:58:00 - [4] Edited by: Fred0 on 18/06/2010 14:01:09 Originally by: Bismaru RELOADED Your proof yesterday was a GM reply saying you qualified for a reimbursement. Jesus. Everybody has trolled people about reimbursement. We did that before DT yesterday even. It's a standard troll after a big caploss. And unfortunately people will keep trolling about this. It's just too good an opportunity not to. :) So just as you have with the other side, you have to pick your sources. And if you do the story has been remarkably consistent lately, I would say as soon as this turned serious and they spawned and we understood partly what the ** had happened atleast the ones that know have had the same story. This is a huge up by the ccp gamecode and it consists of two parts. One during the fight and one around DT the day after. Neither of them are unique since both has happened before. Just not on this scale. EDIT: With that said I understand it must be hard to pick up the thruth through all the **ing static and moronic statements from both sides that just blurs everything. That's why we just have to wait for ccp to release a statement, which I really hope that they will. And that this statement be exhaustive and not bit by bit giving as little as possible as it was with t20. --- "Cutting Edge 4 Life"
Fred0 Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.18 15:35:00 - [5] Edited by: Fred0 on 18/06/2010 15:40:31 Well atleast we got clarification that what we said is true. I just hope you bring more and real good information CCP. I couldn't care less what happens with the titans and motherships even if PL got to keep theirs. Just sort this and do it good with openness and what's best for the server long term. --- "Cutting Edge 4 Life"
Fred0 Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.18 16:03:00 - [6] Originally by: Bismaru RELOADED Originally by: Fred0 Well atleast we got clarification that what we said has been true. That not entirely true,.. '90% of our caps and supercaps' WN Boarded supercaps and supercaps were given back to NC via petitions,.. Bet is made, by default the bet didnt stand due to it being on the grounds that Originally by: Vuk Lau [.]we got 90% of our caps and supercaps[.] Screenshot of Titan in space is made,.. Showing nothing unusual just an avatar on scan OMG SHOCKING,.. GM replies DOESNT confirm what was in space,.. Bet shouldnt stand as it was made on the grounds that 90% was returned, its impossible to verify and even if its true GMs taking them away changes everything,.. So really Fred0 what exactly did you guys say and what was true, I know I am branded an old MIA troll but really linking quotes from Vuk himself contradicting himself over and over as well as you is the only thing thats been consistent in this whole thing,.. While im at it, theres alot of unusual things unanswered still, like why a GM intervened (assuming WN got hold of the titan(s) first, returned the ghost ship instead of removing it,.. I am eager to see these petitions made about WN having the titans,.. That 90% figure is useless pretty much. We've explained countless times exactly how this works and that what we found where the ones that jumped out correctly, loaded in the new system, logged off, respawned wrongly in 6nj. Those caps and supercaps respawned again in the exit cyno system post DT. When this happened there were loads of rumours and **** going round. Trolling etc. Now when the dust has cleared we know that this has happened and been petitioned before just like we did yesterday. We also know for a fact that there is a problem with buggy code/database issues which allows ships to jump between systems and both die and still be in space. It's quite likely a judgement call on whether the ship should be dead or alive but imho the first bug is that the ship reappears in the fight system. Imho this bug we've experienced is two wrongs that does indeed make a right. The first GM ruling against PL seems agree with that. The WN petition thingy I actually don't know if happened but it should be pretty straightforward. The ship should belong to the pilot that was in it originally, it was highly unlikely the WN guy would return it and as such it was seized and given to it's correct, albeit disputable owner. --- "Cutting Edge 4 Life"
Fred0 Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.18 16:22:00 - [7] Edited by: Fred0 on 18/06/2010 16:24:02 Originally by: Bismaru RELOADED Another black mark on NC tbh,.. lol dude, you have to be the most bitter eve-alt I have ever heard about. You can't get any more biased or ******ed than you dude. I think you even have snotshot and windypops beat tbfh. --- "Cutting Edge 4 Life"
Fred0 Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.19 06:04:00 - [8] Originally by: Marlona Sky Originally by: GM Grimmi One of the resulting problems was the revival of ships that had been killed during the fight, including a few super-capitals. Just making sure you all realize that CCP confirms those ships NC are toting around are in fact the ghost ships. The real ones perished in flames. Only after DT did these ghost ships appear. So stop trying to spin this into, "Our ships made it out and the ones that died were the ghost." damage control. I think you're over analyzing it. The GM doesn't adress the original problem at all from our pov and as such he might just be expressing himself clumsily. Anyways, I don't think you understand the problem. Those titans are irrelevant in this. It's 3-4 Titans and a dozen MS or however many MS it is. I don't know. They can be rebuilt. The problem is that CCP has had this problem for over 6 months and been covering it up like they always do. Those silly ****s CCP are at it again with their Communist party release as little information as possible so we dont look stupid and hope it goes away policy. They have absolutely zilch idea of what consistent gameplay and making eve-online a believable IG universe means. It's horrendously dissapointing to be here again. --- "Cutting Edge 4 Life"
Fred0 Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.19 08:37:00 - [9] You co2 guys surely seems to have a bigger than average part of your alliance that are mentally handicapped or it's the english language that is problematic. Or you are good trolls. Or you simply have no self sanitation when it comes to posting. :D Nobody is saying none of the NC loaded and we all died blackscreened. From looking at death and respawns following the next DT we can even assume that 70% from our side loaded. --- "Cutting Edge 4 Life"
Fred0 Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.19 10:12:00 - [10] Well when we have 20 pages of explanations and real rational reasons on how this happened. How can several co2 people come here and just totally cloud the issue pretending that everything is cool and that the titans need to just stay dead without seeing the bigger picture? Is it really that hard to figure out what has happened? I don't mind if you think the titans should be dead. I can symphatise with that, I might even agree with that. But how can sidzo and his ilk come here and say I took damage they didn't blackscreen? Has he understood a single sentence on here? It's mindnumbingly dumb, even you must agree with that. --- "Cutting Edge 4 Life"

Fred0 Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.19 10:17:00 - [11] Originally by: Micha L Fred0 like i sed in other treads, Dianaste spoke very positively about you, but from all this, I can only see that you are low man that you can not be lower. Sorry for my english Fred0 hope you understand it now. I've been extremely patient explaining this for 36 hours now. The first few hours discussion circled around blackscreen and jumping out. It was quickly cleared up since it's soo freaking obvious that blackscreened people don't control their ships. Then that clown turns up yapping about taking damage from blackscreened ships. It would have been even a bad troll if you couldn't tell he was serious. --- "Cutting Edge 4 Life"
Fred0 Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.19 13:12:00 - [12] Edited by: Fred0 on 19/06/2010 13:22:07 Originally by: paracidic I don't really give a crap if they get the titans back or not. But if they get theirs back then PL must get theirs back as well. The fact of the matter is that I play this game because I love knowing that there is some guy on the other side of our little blue planet that is sitting at his desk cursing me when I get a final blow on his internet pixed ship. And I know that that same guy/girl feels the same way I do. You don't seem to understand either. Neither PL nor we have gotten the ships that blackscreened and died in 6NJ back. Those ships are dead, petitioned but with little hope of being refunded. Just like the titans that died for PL in Y-2ANO. This is the same thing that has happened to everyone of us a bunch of times in large fights. Besides those that blackscreened and died there's a bunch of titans that loaded in 6NJ, killed **** and jumped out when the fight turned bad for us. Those ships got out fine but eventually when they logged out they reappeared in 6NJ where they were killed. This also happened to PL but only with carriers and dreads. None of their titans in Y-2ANO managed to jump out. Anyways, those ships that jumped out and wrongly respawned in 6NJ and Y-2ANO have respawned in their exit cyno system after DT. in PL's instance they petitioned this and they were allowed to keep their dreads and carriers. For us this bunch included titans and MS and this is still under investigation. EDIT: Also for the people that complain that this is just normal lag. This issue is relatively new. We've not before had public cases of ships respawning post DT like this. CCP has known about this atleast since it happened to PL but managed to keep it quiet back then. Obviously not to fix the issue though since it happened now again. --- "Cutting Edge 4 Life"
Fred0 Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.19 13:59:00 - [13] Originally by: Marlona Sky What about our pov? Better yet, how about CCP point of view. He was expressing it exactly from your pov unless I'm mistaken. For you, you killed the ships and reappeared due to some bug and as such they should be removed. That's what your side has said all along. Perhaps you can clarify what separates your pov from what he expressed. CCP are still figuring out what to do with this. They were notified of this problem atleast 6 months ago. We can only hope this incident puts some urgency into that inquest. --- "Cutting Edge 4 Life"
Fred0 Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.20 18:20:00 - [14] Originally by: Marlona Sky If CCP allows the ghost ships to remain (keep in mind it was not just NC that boarded the ghost ships that appeared after DT, long after the battle was over, so stop thinking I'm just for their removal because NC is gloating about it) it would be a very hard blow to EVE both in game and out of game. It will be like the T20 scandal all over again. And I am sure everyone, including CCP can remember the extremely bad press they got for that across many gaming websites and magazines. Then you should already be doing that. They allowed PL to board 20 of their caps that died in Y-2ANO after the following DT. While some other dude in this thread (dunno how believable he was) started saying he has had ccp run around and blow up his ships after jumping, docking and what not (not the same but quite similar). That's the inconsistency there already. The ****up has already happened. What we are looking at now is damage control from ccp and if they do it in a believable enough way so that the playerbase accept what they are saying. --- "Cutting Edge 4 Life"
Fred0 Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.20 19:29:00 - [15] Originally by: Marlona Sky If that was the case then GM Grimmi's post was incorrect. He clearly states the ships had died. Which I am sure he checked the infamous logs before posting that. Why do you guys keep conveniently forgetting about his post? well I dunno but there seems to have been quite a few NC that on friday morning (me included) sent e-mails to ccp to get their **** in order and start communicating or this would blow up like a new t20 incident. I got a reply from internal affairs saying they were on top of it. An hour after that we had that statement by Grimmi, which i am sorry to say just doesn't cut it and only reminds most of us about the ineptness you fight when you petition stuff. It's not exhaustive in any way, it implies stuff they don't substantiate and that goes contrary to how they've handled this before. In short they started off by hiding more than they say and contradict earlier confidential gm communications to pl. If they plan to handle this situation like that response I think they might be better off saying nothing. --- "Cutting Edge 4 Life"
Fred0 Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.20 20:23:00 - [16] Hardly, I just don't argue with alts. You just have to visit SHC to see it confirmed by several people. Or you could talk to Shamis here on this forum who confirmed this bug. All of them have much much higer credibility than you two. Or you could hold for the CSM meeting logs for next time where it's sure to show up. :D --- "Cutting Edge 4 Life"
Fred0 Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.26 19:30:00 - [17] Honestly Robert Ger, you can't have been there because your view of reality is so far away from anything I've encountered before. Quote: cei-fred0: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1337682&page=23#682 - what a genius rawr-sala-cameron: Robert Ger is probably the biggest german ****** in the game you can find :p rawr-sala-cameron: well I actually don't know if he's german rawr-sala-cameron: because his english is better than his german actually rawr-imperian: he is, and all germans hate him. rawr-imperian: literally --- "Cutting Edge 4 Life"
Fred0 Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.29 20:43:00 - [18] It's becoming pretty clear CCP won't do ****. The ships jumped out. The first bug is that they respawned in 6NJ after logging off. That's when WN and CO killed them. The second bug is that they were found floating post DT the following day in their jump out system. We recollected them and gave them back to the char that had jumped it out. CCP are looking increasingly likely to just follow their non-interference policy of whatever happens in large lag fights happens and they don't change that. Not the solution I had hoped for, someone with enough energy should certainly make a push to make them realise their folly of 0.0 large fights policy. --- "Cutting Edge 4 Life"
Fred0 Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.07.04 07:39:00 - [19] Originally by: Cone Filler This is a **ing outrage CCP you have a record of destroying ghost ships no matter how and where they they spawned, and now you wont do **, there is no way that you can justify this other than you spawn every ghost ship that you have destroyed He is quite clearly saying that fleet fights fall under special circumstances and they are sticking to their non-interference policy. It seems our rage was not big enough for them to take this seriously. --- "Cutting Edge 4 Life"

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