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Vilgan Mazran Aperture Harmonics K162	Posted - 2010.06.18 04:21:00 - [1] Edited by: Vilgan Mazran on 18/06/2010 04:21:47 So, now that the CCP version of "we'll double your isk!" is gone, how much did ebank get in on the opportunity to multiply their worth through tyrannis speculation? Between the reproc thing and the npc sold items that are guaranteed to go up to 2x-3x their npc sold value, a lot of guaranteed money was there for the taking for those who had the isk to invest. Did you guys get in on the opportunity in a big way and use this as a way to rapidly increase net worth? If so, how much? If not, why not?
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.06.18 05:23:00 - [2] Originally by: Vilgan Mazran a lot of guaranteed money was there Our magic crystal ball must have been broken. Follow My EBANK Chatter
SamGromoff Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2010.06.18 05:37:00 - [3] everyone associated with Ebank in any way is excellent at this game c/d
Companion Trollin You are going too fast	Posted - 2010.06.18 07:44:00 - [4] And here I thought you'd have a relevant question like: "What are you smoking and can I have some of it?" ♥ Originally by: CCP Shadow Off-topic posts dealing with sexual orientation have been removed. Please keep this discussion on-topic. Thanks. -- Shadow
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries manufacturing disaster	Posted - 2010.06.18 09:27:00 - [5] Originally by: Companion Trollin And here I thought you'd have a relevant question like: "What are you smoking and can I have some of it?" I have reported you for your cannabis reference! Talking about illegal drugs on the forums will not be tolerated, I have petitioned for a permanent BAN, and I hope you get it!
Jasdemi Caldari Caldari Manufacturing	Posted - 2010.06.18 11:15:00 - [6] Why is EVE-Bank struggling so much? Just scam away the remaining ISKies and save a lot time recovering this broken bank, which will NEVER recover.
RAW23	Posted - 2010.06.18 11:30:00 - [7] Originally by: Vilgan Mazran Edited by: Vilgan Mazran on 18/06/2010 04:21:47 So, now that the CCP version of "we'll double your isk!" is gone, how much did ebank get in on the opportunity to multiply their worth through tyrannis speculation? Between the reproc thing and the npc sold items that are guaranteed to go up to 2x-3x their npc sold value, a lot of guaranteed money was there for the taking for those who had the isk to invest. Did you guys get in on the opportunity in a big way and use this as a way to rapidly increase net worth? If so, how much? If not, why not? High risk speculation in which you gamble on unknown factors (such as "will ccp punish module reprocessors?") is definitely not the way forward. EBANK needs steady, predictable earners not high risk/ high reward approaches.
Vilgan Mazran Aperture Harmonics K162	Posted - 2010.06.18 13:41:00 - [8] Originally by: RAW23 Originally by: Vilgan Mazran Edited by: Vilgan Mazran on 18/06/2010 04:21:47 So, now that the CCP version of "we'll double your isk!" is gone, how much did ebank get in on the opportunity to multiply their worth through tyrannis speculation? Between the reproc thing and the npc sold items that are guaranteed to go up to 2x-3x their npc sold value, a lot of guaranteed money was there for the taking for those who had the isk to invest. Did you guys get in on the opportunity in a big way and use this as a way to rapidly increase net worth? If so, how much? If not, why not? High risk speculation in which you gamble on unknown factors (such as "will ccp punish module reprocessors?") is definitely not the way forward. EBANK needs steady, predictable earners not high risk/ high reward approaches. stockpiling NPC sold items was high risk?
Magnu Stormhawk Stormhawk Enterprises	Posted - 2010.06.18 13:50:00 - [9] Originally by: Vilgan Mazran Originally by: RAW23 Originally by: Vilgan Mazran Edited by: Vilgan Mazran on 18/06/2010 04:21:47 So, now that the CCP version of "we'll double your isk!" is gone, how much did ebank get in on the opportunity to multiply their worth through tyrannis speculation? Between the reproc thing and the npc sold items that are guaranteed to go up to 2x-3x their npc sold value, a lot of guaranteed money was there for the taking for those who had the isk to invest. Did you guys get in on the opportunity in a big way and use this as a way to rapidly increase net worth? If so, how much? If not, why not? High risk speculation in which you gamble on unknown factors (such as "will ccp punish module reprocessors?") is definitely not the way forward. EBANK needs steady, predictable earners not high risk/ high reward approaches. stockpiling NPC sold items was high risk? Yes it was, Mr Hindsight. For that matter, may well still be.
quygen Minmatar Acting Neutral	Posted - 2010.06.18 14:03:00 - [10] Originally by: Ji Sama Originally by: Companion Trollin And here I thought you'd have a relevant question like: "What are you smoking and can I have some of it?" I have reported you for your cannabis reference! Talking about illegal drugs on the forums will not be tolerated, I have petitioned for a permanent BAN, and I hope you get it! It's not illegal where I'm from Viva Hollandia Please resize your sig to a maximum of 400 x 120 - Mitnal ^ You seen it CCP =) Now go fix!

Torque Daisy Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2010.06.18 14:08:00 - [11] wuh? you expect e-bank to know anything about making isk? YOU FOOL!
SencneS Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2010.06.18 14:10:00 - [12] My own personal little venture I was only able secured 500mil worth of ISK (About all I could secure because of recent purchases) total profit has not been realized yet.. That's all I was able to do due to short funds, I wouldn't have gone any higher then 1B ISK anyway I don't like speculation with other peoples money. My little managed part of EBANK's funds is not enough to take advantage of massive amounts of ISK. However, I had been playing with NPC markets anyway, it's low passive income, buy up a load of NPC items, sell it to NPCs over time. Even right now, There are some stations selling large volume of NPC items to the remaining NPC item stations (Items that where not taken over by PI). Pretty much all I did was take what I would have normally purchased and not sold it to NPCs just held for PI to clear. Gambling on speculation is not something I do lightly and I avoid it with other peoples ISK even my friends. I make sure I let them know the potential loss etc if I telling them something. If I hadn't been purchasing NPC items already I wouldn't have retained the one I did purchase.
SamGromoff Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2010.06.18 16:22:00 - [13] Originally by: RAW23 Originally by: Vilgan Mazran Edited by: Vilgan Mazran on 18/06/2010 04:21:47 So, now that the CCP version of "we'll double your isk!" is gone, how much did ebank get in on the opportunity to multiply their worth through tyrannis speculation? Between the reproc thing and the npc sold items that are guaranteed to go up to 2x-3x their npc sold value, a lot of guaranteed money was there for the taking for those who had the isk to invest. Did you guys get in on the opportunity in a big way and use this as a way to rapidly increase net worth? If so, how much? If not, why not? High risk speculation in which you gamble on unknown factors (such as "will ccp punish module reprocessors?") is definitely not the way forward. EBANK needs steady, predictable earners not high risk/ high reward approaches. I, too, like investing already devalued assets with people I met on the Internet promising 5% returns a month instead of the obvious one everyone and their mother rushed into guaranteeing 200% returns in 3 days and counting
Dramaticus GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.06.18 16:27:00 - [14] itt we are a bank that does not know how to invest Please don't use RL pictuers of players in Sig without permission. - WeatherMan
SencneS Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2010.06.18 17:29:00 - [15] Originally by: SamGromoff .... guaranteeing 200% returns in 3 days and counting That is why you are not a bank... Amarr for Life
Tiberizzle	Posted - 2010.06.18 18:50:00 - [16] Edited by: Tiberizzle on 18/06/2010 18:54:28 Originally by: SencneS Originally by: SamGromoff .... guaranteeing 200% returns in 3 days and counting That is why you are not a bank... Or perhaps this is why you are several hundred billion ISK in the hole with a return to solvency projected to be some time around 2025. You seem to be under the impression that E-Bank has made something resembling good choices and has respect remaining in the community. Basically everything you guys say with a straight face causes me to giggle: you couldn't fail harder if you were trying. There were several different ways to play the PI game to hedge the risk, if it wasn't already extremely obvious from SiSi which way things were going to go. It was. I personally reprocessed on day 1 to market until the margins dwindled on that, and then bought up during the panic to put structures into production. Recently I stockpiled NPC POS fuel and I'm in the process of dumping to market before the manufacturing crash. Basically if stuff like this isn't obvious to you, why the **** are you managing several hundred billion? Why hasn't E-Bank just given the ISK back to the depositors and admitted they haven't got a clue how to do this?
Thrasymachus TheSophist	Posted - 2010.06.18 20:21:00 - [17] Originally by: Tiberizzle Edited by: Tiberizzle on 18/06/2010 19:18:01 Originally by: SencneS Originally by: SamGromoff .... guaranteeing 200% returns in 3 days and counting That is why you are not a bank... Or perhaps this is why you are several hundred billion ISK in the hole with a return to solvency projected to be some time around 2025. You seem to be under the impression that E-Bank has made something resembling good choices and has respect remaining in the community. Basically everything you guys say with a straight face causes me to giggle: you couldn't fail harder if you were trying. There were several different ways to play the PI game to hedge the risk, if it wasn't already extremely obvious from SiSi which way things were going to go. It was. I personally reprocessed on day 1 to market until the margins dwindled on that, and then bought up during the panic to put structures into production. Recently I stockpiled NPC POS fuel and I'm in the process of dumping to market before the manufacturing crash. Literally every change CCP made created another opportunity to double up or more. If stuff like this isn't obvious to you, why the **** are you managing several hundred billion? Why hasn't E-Bank just given the ISK back to the depositors and admitted they haven't got a clue how to do this? Because then they wouldn't be oh-so-important, they wouldn't get constant attention, and their little scam-game would be up. EveBank is a very evolved scam. Nothing more; nothing less. They have nominated themselves investment managers for billions of ISK that is not their's, and never was theirs (since deposits were always demand deposits). All the rest is just BS justifications that don't even make sense ....
SencneS Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2010.06.18 20:54:00 - [18] Edited by: SencneS on 18/06/2010 20:56:02 Originally by: Tiberizzle Or perhaps this is why you are several hundred billion ISK in the hole. So the fact the CEO ran off with several hundred billion ISK, issued several hundred billion ISK in unsecured loads and purchased several hundred billion ISK worth of BPOs which are worth less then a sheet of toilet paper had nothing to do with the massive hole we're trying to fill. No you're absolutely right, it was the now current BOD making bad choices with what was left. If you and every other fool would risk 30% of what wealth you have left on speculation and wild guessing then you're just as bad as the CEO that left EBANK in this position. I think I have a dead tree in the back yard that has more common sense then what you just vomited up. Amarr for Life
Dzil Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve OWN Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.18 21:30:00 - [19] Originally by: Thrasymachus TheSophist EveBank is a very evolved scam. Nothing more; nothing less. They have nominated themselves investment managers for billions of ISK that is not their's, and never was theirs (since deposits were always demand deposits). All the rest is just BS justifications that don't even make sense .... Ebank isn't evolved or a scam, just a failed business that refuses to let go. FWIW, I don't blame ebank for not diving on the patch, it's just as possible CCP could have end arounded speculators or classified some of the early PI moves as exploits, and then the bank would be in an even bigger world of hurt with a recovery projected out to 2065. However, clearly had depositors been given the option to take out their money at 1/3 or whatever, they could have independently reached full recovery in a couple weeks instead of a couple year saga. And T2 BPOs aren't exactly nerf proof, players have been calling for years for an end to T2 BPOs and if that nerf suddenly comes your assets are due for a butt hurt that'd make a prison guard blush. Retired from corp sales. Time to spend some of this on pretty explosions :)
SamGromoff Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2010.06.18 23:20:00 - [20] Originally by: SencneS Edited by: SencneS on 18/06/2010 20:56:02 Originally by: Tiberizzle Or perhaps this is why you are several hundred billion ISK in the hole. So the fact the CEO ran off with several hundred billion ISK, issued several hundred billion ISK in unsecured loads and purchased several hundred billion ISK worth of BPOs which are worth less then a sheet of toilet paper had nothing to do with the massive hole we're trying to fill. No you're absolutely right, it was the now current BOD making bad choices with what was left. If you and every other fool would risk 30% of what wealth you have left on speculation and wild guessing then you're just as bad as the CEO that left EBANK in this position. I think I have a dead tree in the back yard that has more common sense then what you just vomited up. 1)your hole is being filled at a rate according to which 90% of your customers will have quit beforehand, assuming that nobody else runs off with the rest of the money by then (they will) 2)it was blatantly, incredibly obvious that PI was a way to untold riches and at least 3 of the people posting in this thread have already made as much money from it combined as your "bank" has left in assets, with more to come 3)you have literally called these people fools while being in charge of EBANK ahahahahaha

Olusegun Obasanjo Minmatar CENTRAL BANK OF NIGERIA	Posted - 2010.06.18 23:30:00 - [21] Edited by: Olusegun Obasanjo on 18/06/2010 23:35:10 Originally by: Magnu Stormhawk Originally by: Vilgan Mazran Originally by: RAW23 Originally by: Vilgan Mazran Edited by: Vilgan Mazran on 18/06/2010 04:21:47 So, now that the CCP version of "we'll double your isk!" is gone, how much did ebank get in on the opportunity to multiply their worth through tyrannis speculation? Between the reproc thing and the npc sold items that are guaranteed to go up to 2x-3x their npc sold value, a lot of guaranteed money was there for the taking for those who had the isk to invest. Did you guys get in on the opportunity in a big way and use this as a way to rapidly increase net worth? If so, how much? If not, why not? High risk speculation in which you gamble on unknown factors (such as "will ccp punish module reprocessors?") is definitely not the way forward. EBANK needs steady, predictable earners not high risk/ high reward approaches. stockpiling NPC sold items was high risk? Yes it was, Mr Hindsight. For that matter, may well still be. anyone with more than 3 braincells could see that NPC goods were the most insanely profitable expansion eve has ever had. 10x better than tech. im amazed akita did not splurge the boards with this one the p4 reproc fiasco was just a diversion. people who came late to the party got burned, that probably increased the risk-aversion to the NPC goods market, which means more profits for those who used thier brains
Thrasymachus TheSophist	Posted - 2010.06.19 05:35:00 - [22] Originally by: Dzil Ebank isn't evolved or a scam, just a failed business that refuses to let go. Oh? When it was a going concern, if you asked for a withdrawal, did you get it? They obtained people's money under the pretense of it being a demand deposit - this means, you want your money back, just ask. Now, they won't give it back, even if you ask. Explain how this is different from a scam? The fact that they claim they will pay it back in the future is the only thing that differentiates it from a common scam (hence it is evolved). But so far, they haven't kept even their original promise (e.g. You get your money back when you want.). Why do you believe them now? Call a spade a spade. Its a scam. They keep the money to make money off it, promising to give it back in .... Years.
SamGromoff Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2010.06.19 05:54:00 - [23] Originally by: Thrasymachus TheSophist Call a spade a spade. Its a scam. They keep the money to make money off it, promising to give it back in .... Years. to be entirely fair, most scammers would have been smart enough to get the entire deposit in on PI and just not tell anyone, whereas these guys are almost certainly calling the rest of us "fools" for real
Vilgan Mazran Aperture Harmonics K162	Posted - 2010.06.19 08:32:00 - [24] Originally by: SencneS Gambling on speculation is not something I do lightly and I avoid it with other peoples ISK even my friends. I make sure I let them know the potential loss etc if I telling them something. If I hadn't been purchasing NPC items already I wouldn't have retained the one I did purchase. gambling is generally bad. I'm not sure I really understand why you/the board felt that investing in PI opportunities was gambling though. A basic analysis would suggest that NPC sold goods had a lot of irregularities in their pricing. People such as myself didn't invest because "omg, people will be pos fuel starved and pos fuel will go up!". We invested because many of the prices were just absurdly low, and it was literally impossible for some of the prices to NOT go up. Guidance systems for example... 440ish(?) a unit from npc sell orders and the price to export one from a planet was 600. How exactly was that not going to go up? Its just really confusing to me to see a group of people that refuses to return isk to "investors" go completely opposite of what I would do in their position. The current investment portfolio gives the impression that ebank is going for the absolute worst returns possible in eve (t2 bpos? seriously?), and completely skipping out on PI/tyrannis investments seems pretty questionable when you have a large deficit to make up.
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.06.19 08:40:00 - [25] Hai guys I can point out your stupidity with 20/20 hindsight vision, I'm so cool and u guys obviously suck big donkey balls. Go me! Follow My EBANK Chatter
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries manufacturing disaster	Posted - 2010.06.19 09:08:00 - [26] Originally by: Ray McCormack Hai guys I can point out your stupidity with 20/20 hindsight vision, I'm so cool and u guys obviously suck big donkey balls. Go me! SEE AC THAT IS WHY WE HATE YOU AND SENCNES AND RYA; REPORTED FOR TROLLING I HOPE YOU ARE BANNED!
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.06.19 15:58:00 - [27] Originally by: Ray McCormack Hai guys I can point out your stupidity with 20/20 hindsight vision, I'm so cool and u guys obviously suck big donkey balls. Go me! holy **** you guys are the most incompetent idiots ever they were still seeded when PI was live
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.06.19 16:01:00 - [28] Edited by: Weaselior on 19/06/2010 16:00:55 ebank I have a preposition for you: let me take over and I will get the money back to the investors much much faster than you this is including with the plundering of the assets that can be expected with turning it over to goons: I'd have just stolen 2/3rds, invested all the remaining money in npc goods, sold them in 6 months, paid everyone back, then used the cred to start an even bigger scam this is literally a better plan for your depositors than trusting you guys
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.06.19 16:07:00 - [29] Originally by: Weaselior holy **** you guys are the most incompetent idiots ever Totally man, these gais are like pathetic, it's so awesome someone like you is pointing it out to them. Go man, I lub yoo and want 2 hav ur babies! Follow My EBANK Chatter
Kieselguhr Kid	Posted - 2010.06.19 16:15:00 - [30] Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: Weaselior holy **** you guys are the most incompetent idiots ever Totally man, these gais are like pathetic, it's so awesome someone like you is pointing it out to them. Go man, I lub yoo and want 2 hav ur babies! At a low-midrange estimate for PI prices that is being thrown around in the other thread, Goonswarm PI holders are projected to have made 1.13 trillion isk off guidance systems alone, not counting the several other materials where we have substantial amounts of action. But, y'know, keep calling us fools and PI investment gambling while being the CEO of Ebank. I'm sure your shareholders appreciate the great job you have done for them with this pataaaahahahahahaha

Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.06.19 16:19:00 - [31] Originally by: Kieselguhr Kid But, y'know, keep calling us fools and PI investment gambling while being the CEO of Ebank. I'm sure your shareholders appreciate the great job you have done for them with this pataaaahahahahahaha Man I agree, keep calling it. Win the war of words with me and increase your efame by +3. You're so spectacularly awesome, we want to be just like you. Follow My EBANK Chatter
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.06.19 16:56:00 - [32] the Weaselior School of Enron-Style Management is ready and willing to demonstrate to ebank depositors its superiority over the existing model
Vilgan Mazran Aperture Harmonics K162	Posted - 2010.06.20 14:49:00 - [33] Originally by: Ray McCormack Hai guys I can point out your stupidity with 20/20 hindsight vision, I'm so cool and u guys obviously suck big donkey balls. Go me! Its not really hindsight when most of the people posting had the foresight to invest in this blatantly obvious moneymaker. So far I've recouped 40 bil of my 50 bil investment and will end up getting another 120 bil (selling today) to 160+ bil off the remainder. Absolute worst case if the market crashes horribly I only double my money. How are those t2 bpos working out for ya?
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.06.20 15:03:00 - [34] I bet the other kids on the playground think you're so cool for besting the big bad bank boys. Follow My EBANK Chatter
Hexxx Minmatar	Posted - 2010.06.20 15:19:00 - [35] Trolls, feeding, etc. Projects Blog
Varo Jan Caravanserai Consulting	Posted - 2010.06.20 15:35:00 - [36] Originally by: Vilgan Mazran Its not really hindsight when most of the people posting had the foresight to invest in this blatantly obvious moneymaker. So far I've recouped 40 bil of my 50 bil investment and will end up getting another 120 bil (selling today) to 160+ bil off the remainder. Absolute worst case if the market crashes horribly I only double my money. You missed one word: claim. As in, "Most of the people posting claim they had the foresight." It always happens. CCP make a change. People speculate. Hordes rush in to MD claiming they made bazillions.
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.06.20 17:45:00 - [37] Originally by: Varo Jan Originally by: Vilgan Mazran Its not really hindsight when most of the people posting had the foresight to invest in this blatantly obvious moneymaker. So far I've recouped 40 bil of my 50 bil investment and will end up getting another 120 bil (selling today) to 160+ bil off the remainder. Absolute worst case if the market crashes horribly I only double my money. You missed one word: claim. As in, "Most of the people posting claim they had the foresight." It always happens. CCP make a change. People speculate. Hordes rush in to MD claiming they made bazillions. you didn't need foresight: they were still seeded when PI was live, and you could look and think "hmm, every other p3 is worth tons but guidance systems I WONDER WHAT WILL HAPPEN WHEN THOSE GET UNSEEDED"
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.06.20 17:49:00 - [38] like goonswarm has been cackling about guidance systems for a few weeks and we were livid when the seeds were still there when PI went live because it made it really obvious for everyone else (except, apparently, eBank) and so other people would get in on it
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.06.20 18:02:00 - [39] Man, how truly pathetic your life must be for you to want to try laud something like this over someone else in an internet spaceships game. I feel for you bro, hang in there, things will get better. PS, I still think you're so totally awesome. Way to win at life. Follow My EBANK Chatter
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.06.20 19:29:00 - [40] you don't "get" goons, do you

Phoebe Halliwel	Posted - 2010.06.20 19:46:00 - [41] Fair enough, PI might be considered high risk speculation by some. What about insurance fraud? We had cosmo posting about making 100b in a few weeks doing insurance fraud quite a while ago (I cant find the post for the life of me, hope I'm not remembering the wrong thing). Insurance fraud went on for some time, I'm assuming Ebank didn't participate in that either, due to risk or another reason? The strategy at the moment appears to be to be to investing in T2 BPOs and some small scale ventures run by the remaining BoD. Are there any larger scale market related ventures being run, or planned? Is this strategy to protect remaining depositor funds or is it lack of personnel? Not trolling or criticising the current stance here, genuinely curious about the strategy Ebank is currently using to actively make ISK.
Proton Power Amarr Luck Yourself Into Isk	Posted - 2010.06.20 20:01:00 - [42] I have to agree with investing in PI being risky. I talked this over with a few people, almost did it with LYII. Looking at the prices now I wish I did, but if I knew the future for certain this game would be fairly easy :). I had a feeling prices would sky rocket, but I was not sure, and ended up not investing myself. Feel sad about it now, but felt it was to risky as well. And think if Ebank invested 100bil into it, I invested 100bil into it, would prices be this high today anyway?
SamGromoff Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2010.06.21 00:07:00 - [43] Originally by: Proton Power I have to agree with investing in PI being risky. I talked this over with a few people, almost did it with LYII. Looking at the prices now I wish I did, but if I knew the future for certain this game would be fairly easy :). I had a feeling prices would sky rocket, but I was not sure, and ended up not investing myself. Feel sad about it now, but felt it was to risky as well. And think if Ebank invested 100bil into it, I invested 100bil into it, would prices be this high today anyway? confirming that an item NPC-retailing for 418 isk that costs 600 isk in export tax to take off planet is definitely risky also confirming that buying lots of guidance systems off an NPC market and then logging off for a year impacts the price of guidance systems once nobody else can buy them off the NPC market anymore
Proton Power Amarr Luck Yourself Into Isk	Posted - 2010.06.21 00:49:00 - [44] Originally by: SamGromoff Originally by: Proton Power I have to agree with investing in PI being risky. I talked this over with a few people, almost did it with LYII. Looking at the prices now I wish I did, but if I knew the future for certain this game would be fairly easy :). I had a feeling prices would sky rocket, but I was not sure, and ended up not investing myself. Feel sad about it now, but felt it was to risky as well. And think if Ebank invested 100bil into it, I invested 100bil into it, would prices be this high today anyway? confirming that an item NPC-retailing for 418 isk that costs 600 isk in export tax to take off planet is definitely risky also confirming that buying lots of guidance systems off an NPC market and then logging off for a year impacts the price of guidance systems once nobody else can buy them off the NPC market anymore Did you mail one of the Ebank staff to let them know they could do this. Believe it or not not everyone looks that hard for this type of information, I know i don't ;) So unless you contacted someone from ebank and gave them this information you can't really say they had it or not.
Kapse Locke Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.06.21 02:47:00 - [45] Edited by: Kapse Locke on 21/06/2010 02:54:43 (quoting out of context as I have no shame) Originally by: SencneS - anyway I don't like speculation with other peoples money. and yet ... Originally by: Proton Power Did you mail one of the Ebank staff to let them know they could do this. Believe it or not not everyone looks that hard for this type of information, I know i don't ;) So unless you contacted someone from ebank and gave them this information you can't really say they had it or not. Except that one of them has already admitted they knew about it. Presumably they still talk amongst themselves, in between bouts of rolling around naked in ISK that doesn't belong to them. Not forgetting that ff they read MD or S&I they would have seen threads written about it, too.
SencneS Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2010.06.21 03:41:00 - [46] Edited by: SencneS on 21/06/2010 03:42:37 wow, this spastic thread is still going... It's remarkable that these idiots can actually string together a set of words to make a sentence. Let lone actually make it seem like a troll, rather then their usual Tourettes type posts. You brainless tards do see I did participate in some items right. I DID post that. Like the turd lickers you are, you refuse the read anything but what your magical little fairy land that goes on in your empty abyss between your ears, choose to produce via it's own bowl movement. I could only secure 500mil for usage, I turned that into 1.3B. Peanuts in the grand scale of things, but that can't be helped. Maybe if we actually HAD billions available to do this at the time it would have been better. So until your two brain cells actually choose to take notice of what was said, you should close your mouth, you're stinking up the joint. Or here is a better idea, go run back to CAOD, you don't stick out like a clown when everyone else is in a clown suit. Here you're rather noticeable. Amarr for Life
Kapse Locke Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.06.21 04:07:00 - [47] Edited by: Kapse Locke on 21/06/2010 04:07:50 Originally by: SencneS Edited by: SencneS on 21/06/2010 03:42:37 wow, this spastic thread is still going... It's remarkable that these idiots can actually string together a set of words to make a sentence. Let lone actually make it seem like a troll, rather then their usual Tourettes type posts. You brainless tards do see I did participate in some items right. I DID post that. Like the turd lickers you are, you refuse the read anything but what your magical little fairy land that goes on in your empty abyss between your ears, choose to produce via it's own bowl movement. I could only secure 500mil for usage, I turned that into 1.3B. Peanuts in the grand scale of things, but that can't be helped. Maybe if we actually HAD billions available to do this at the time it would have been better. So until your two brain cells actually choose to take notice of what was said, you should close your mouth, you're stinking up the joint. Or here is a better idea, go run back to CAOD, you don't stick out like a clown when everyone else is in a clown suit. Here you're rather noticeable. It almost looks as though Ray has logged into SencneS's account and is posting as her now.
Hexxx Minmatar	Posted - 2010.06.21 04:21:00 - [48] Trolls, feeding, etc. Projects Blog
Dzil Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve OWN Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.21 04:52:00 - [49] Originally by: SencneS Edited by: SencneS on 21/06/2010 03:42:37 ... I could only secure 500mil for usage, I turned that into 1.3B. Peanuts in the grand scale of things, but that can't be helped. Maybe if we actually HAD billions available to do this at the time it would have been better.... I've got to disagree here, many an internet spaceship bazillionaire would claim it COULD be helped. Tyrannis has been coming for months, you purchased some low ROI T2 BPOs when exactly? You give your customers absolutely no say in how their isk is invested; in turn that makes you 100% responsible for its allocation. It could have been helped, you just made poor investment decisions with it and kept little to no liquidity. Also, ebank tends to not update its financials for months at a time... don't expect the public to keep current on your sub-billion isk investments. Now, that response was geared more for the viewing pleasure of the forum in general... let me dial it back for the folks at ebank's intellect: LOL UR DUM. Retired from corp sales. Time to spend some of this on pretty explosions :)
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.06.21 04:57:00 - [50] Edited by: Weaselior on 21/06/2010 04:57:22 Originally by: SencneS Edited by: SencneS on 21/06/2010 03:42:37 I could only secure 500mil for usage, I turned that into 1.3B. Peanuts in the grand scale of things, but that can't be helped. Maybe if we actually HAD billions available to do this at the time it would have been better. you only tripled your money what the hell is wrong with you i've been bemoaning the fact I invested so much in outposts that will only triple and didn't leave enough for guidance systems to be a trillionare for the record guidance systems can be dumped to buy orders for a mere 7 times their seeded price or sold on the market for more than 10x their seeded price

Kieselguhr Kid	Posted - 2010.06.21 05:09:00 - [51] Originally by: SencneS Edited by: SencneS on 21/06/2010 03:42:37 wow, this spastic thread is still going... It's remarkable that these idiots can actually string together a set of words to make a sentence. Let lone actually make it seem like a troll, rather then their usual Tourettes type posts. You brainless tards do see I did participate in some items right. I DID post that. Like the turd lickers you are, you refuse the read anything but what your magical little fairy land that goes on in your empty abyss between your ears, choose to produce via it's own bowl movement. I could only secure 500mil for usage, I turned that into 1.3B. Peanuts in the grand scale of things, but that can't be helped. Maybe if we actually HAD billions available to do this at the time it would have been better. So until your two brain cells actually choose to take notice of what was said, you should close your mouth, you're stinking up the joint. Or here is a better idea, go run back to CAOD, you don't stick out like a clown when everyone else is in a clown suit. Here you're rather noticeable. You had access to many hundreds of billions of isk in titan BPOs (whatever's left of Ebank, I don't care). Instead of collaterizing all of that with Chribba/Grendell and investing the proceeds into an item that was seeded for 418 isk and costs 600 to export, you chose to keep making 5% a month. You then got your entire 500m (you're in charge of a bank with hundreds of billions in assets and you don't have a billion to throw around?) together and managed to make 1.3b out of it. You then proceeded to call us clowns. Ebank is the performance art that keeps on giving~
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.06.21 05:21:00 - [52] Be sure to come back next time you do something we don't and let us know how awesome you are, k? Follow My EBANK Chatter
Webb Mordock GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.06.21 05:50:00 - [53] Originally by: Ray McCormack Be sure to come back next time you do something we don't and let us know how awesome you are, k? I liked your brother in Will & Grace.
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2010.06.21 08:24:00 - [54] Quote: It's remarkable that these idiots can actually string together a set of words to make a sentence. Let lone actually make it seem like a troll, rather then their usual Tourettes type posts. Hey, this is one of the SencneS posts I love the most. True self speaking, said without brakes nor filters, out of the soul and out of the teeth. It was almost Shar-feeling if not for the lower usage of references. Would read again. /claps - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Devian 666 Transmetropolitan	Posted - 2010.06.21 09:57:00 - [55] Originally by: SencneS Edited by: SencneS on 21/06/2010 03:42:37 wow, this spastic thread is still going... All we've determined from this thread is that the ebank BoD are all ray's alts, and that ray is actually ricdic. IGNE obeythekitten is eve related content. Stop being so antagonistic. YGR drama best drama.
Nobzy	Posted - 2010.06.21 11:11:00 - [56] If trolls feed trolls, and they both only get bigger, what happens?
Cannig Tol Minmatar Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.06.21 11:21:00 - [57] Didn't want that 1000% return on your investment anyway, AMIRITE?
Xanieth Eion Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.06.21 11:32:00 - [58] ITT we prefer 100.1% return over 9 years instead of 1000% over 3 days for the swarm
Hexxx Minmatar	Posted - 2010.06.21 13:27:00 - [59] Originally by: Nobzy If trolls feed trolls, and they both only get bigger, what happens? "Let the end of days come, but may I not live to see them, because they will be filled with so much conflict and suffering." Projects Blog
SencneS Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2010.06.21 13:29:00 - [60] Originally by: Xanieth Eion ITT we prefer 100.1% return over 9 years instead of 1000% over 3 days OMG - What are you doing in goon! You're better then that! Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Hey, this is one of the SencneS posts I love the most. I aim to please. Actually I had fun posting that, I don't really get the opportunity to post like that, I stay out of CAOD pretty much always because I can't stand the lack of intelligence 99% of the posters display. In a somewhat vain attempt to raise the level of trolling to something more enjoyable for the intelligent, it failed. As responded by the now THREE goons in the thread (Notice I left one out as one them shows hope). What is comical is it's a clear case of them running to their forums or posting in their chat windows "ZOMG LOOK WHAT THIS DUMB GUY POSTED AT US!" That in itself is somewhat a reward. To know that my words effected them enough they simply HAD to tell others. I WIN THE TROLL TRAIN!! Amarr for Life

pmchem Minmatar GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.06.21 14:21:00 - [61] Wait, SencneS and ebank didn't get in on this with several dozen billions of isk? I thought ebank was some sort of eve economic juggernaut. And you were posting in all those CCP-is-breaking-PI threads. We have goons who sell microsoft product keys for 30% of their worth in order to eat Jack in the Box to stay alive who made out better than ebank on this, you guys are horrible.
Janelle Arsai	Posted - 2010.06.21 14:21:00 - [62] While not new to MD, I don't follow it very actively most times but I am curious. This probably doesn't belong here due to all the trolling, but what is EBanks normal position on patch speculation. Do you have an internal policy against speculation on CCP patch changes in general?
SencneS Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2010.06.21 14:43:00 - [63] More goons! The more that show up the more laughs I get. To know my posts compelled them to simple show up and post. Who said you can't make goon do anything. If I speak it they will come.. And it was soooo... LOL Amarr for Life
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.06.21 15:06:00 - [64] I fell flat on my face into a pile of dog *** because I wanted you to laugh at me and mock me, so you see by laughing at me and my ***-covered face you admit I am ~da puppetmastah~
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries manufacturing disaster	Posted - 2010.06.21 15:30:00 - [65] Something is wrong with the CD! Just, blow
Kapse Locke Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.06.21 15:36:00 - [66] Originally by: SencneS What is comical is it's a clear case of them running to their forums or posting in their chat windows "ZOMG LOOK WHAT THIS DUMB GUY POSTED AT US!" That in itself is somewhat a reward. To know that my words effected them enough they simply HAD to tell others. I WIN THE TROLL TRAIN!! Yeah. Yeah. One guy telling another guy about a forum post on the internet. Hilarious. Maybe they read the forums, too?
Melvin Hoops	Posted - 2010.06.21 16:33:00 - [67] So what do Ebank to get profits? I mean there are certain awesome and sure profit opportunities in each patch that can be exploited, like overdrive injectors when the speed nerf happened, PI stuff etc, so why does not Ebank get in on this, are you just too lazy to do anything else than sit in jita all day?
Dzil Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve OWN Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.21 17:21:00 - [68] There's one redeeming quality about Ray's posts. I've now got The Joker stuck in my head. Thanks, Ray. Retired from corp sales. Time to spend some of this on pretty explosions :)
Byuk Gho	Posted - 2010.06.21 17:34:00 - [69] Edited by: Byuk Gho on 21/06/2010 17:34:34 Quote: It's remarkable that these idiots can actually string together a set of words to make a sentence. Let lone actually make it seem like a troll, rather then their usual Tourettes type posts. You brainless tards do see I did participate in some items right. I DID post that. Like the turd lickers you are, you refuse the read anything but what your magical little fairy land that goes on in your empty abyss between your ears, choose to produce via it's own bowl movement. I could only secure 500mil for usage, I turned that into 1.3B. Peanuts in the grand scale of things, but that can't be helped. Maybe if we actually HAD billions available to do this at the time it would have been better. So until your two brain cells actually choose to take notice of what was said, you should close your mouth, you're stinking up the joint. Or here is a better idea, go run back to CAOD, you don't stick out like a clown when everyone else is in a clown suit. Here you're rather noticeable. Maybe if you'd bought some Guidance Systems and used them to help yourself, they'd have guided you to more money? Or maybe not, you probably just should have bought more instead of whatever other crap you bought.
dankness420	Posted - 2010.06.21 17:42:00 - [70] Well Ebank was dumb enough to get scammed a while ago... what makes anyone think they have gotten smarter since? Because we all know that NPC seeded products are definitely not going to massively shoot up in price once the seeds stop... right?? RIGHT???? This was like the easiest investment ever. I only dropped a bil myself into NPC goods and I regret not investing enough. There was no possible way people could lose isk on this venture, yet one of the most esteemed banking corps in eve thought this was a risky idea??? I feel bad for your shareholders

Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.06.21 18:02:00 - [71] Originally by: dankness420 one of the most esteemed banking corps Man, indicative of the intelligence being shown in this thread (yes, by me; we know you guys are all winners now). Follow My EBANK Chatter
SencneS Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2010.06.21 18:10:00 - [72] Edited by: SencneS on 21/06/2010 18:11:51 Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: dankness420 one of the most esteemed banking corps Man, indicative of the intelligence being shown in this thread (yes, by me; we know you guys are all winners now). Hey Ray - Did our little corp buy some Guidance Systems and sell them after the patch.. I'll save you the time and effort looking at the journal and transaction logs, yes, yes I did. It was Guidance Systems and Water... I Purchased Water for 18 ISK a unit, sold it for 325. Wait that's 1805.56% OMG that's even better then Guidance Systems!!! OMG a better return then what these so called mastered for vision and trading experts! Am I am winner as well Ray? Am I???? Please let me know that I too am just as much a winner as these...... "people"... Amarr for Life
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.06.21 18:17:00 - [73] Originally by: SencneS Am I am winner as well Ray? Am I???? Please let me know that I too am just as much a winner as these...... "people"... Sorry to break it to you Senc buddy, but you're still working for this failed, no-hope bank. The only winners are the ones that got out early with all the ISK and none of the abuse. Follow My EBANK Chatter
SencneS Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2010.06.21 18:21:00 - [74] Originally by: Ray McCormack Sorry to break it to you Senc buddy, but you're still working for this failed, no-hope bank. The only winners are the ones that got out early with all the ISK and none of the abuse. I'm a sad panda... Amarr for Life
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.06.21 18:26:00 - [75] Originally by: SencneS I'm a sad panda... A sad, incompetent panda. Whilst all the other awesome pandas were eating tofu steak you were gumming on bamboo cud. Follow My EBANK Chatter
Tiberizzle	Posted - 2010.06.21 22:36:00 - [76] Originally by: Ray McCormack sad, incompetent
Devian 666 Transmetropolitan	Posted - 2010.06.22 00:48:00 - [77] Originally by: Weaselior I fell flat on my face into a pile of dog *** because I wanted you to laugh at me and mock me, so you see by laughing at me and my ***-covered face you admit I am ~da puppetmastah~ Irony aside I've always imagined that this is what you do with your spare time. My prediction of ebanks recovery is in 2040 as they don't make isk gud. IGNE obeythekitten is eve related content. Stop being so antagonistic. YGR drama best drama.
Dzil Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve OWN Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.22 15:53:00 - [78] Originally by: Devian 666 My prediction of ebanks recovery is in 2040 as they don't make isk gud. If they can manage to hold on to their 700 billion for 2-3 years it will balance out to the remaining liability of players still in the game. They don't even have to make isk, they just have to stave off another theft. Retired from corp sales. Time to spend some of this on pretty explosions :)
Jamie Banks Gallente Wasted and Still Mining	Posted - 2010.06.22 23:57:00 - [79] I came with high hopes of leaving disappointed. I was wrong. Best value thread on the forum, keep up the good work. This thread is easily worth the money I lost in EBANK, consider your debt repayed. _____________________________ EVE - Everyone vs. Everyone Join in-game Channel 'Aussies' Check my Bio in-game for good deals on Invention Packs
Frank d'Fairy	Posted - 2010.06.23 00:54:00 - [80] First goon op I've seen in months.

pmchem Minmatar GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.06.23 01:18:00 - [81] Originally by: Jamie Banks This thread is easily worth the money I lost in EBANK, consider your debt repayed. Wait, you mean a bank governed by people that miss massive profit opportunities and that exists in an environment with absolutely no regulatory laws loses money? I just started playing eve this year but working with fellow goons has made me a billionaire many times over... how can ebank be that bad at this game if they're sincerely trying? ebank if you want to invest with me, please convo in-game.
Kieselguhr Kid	Posted - 2010.06.23 02:04:00 - [82] Originally by: Frank d'Fairy First goon op I've seen in months. We're terrible at this game. Fortunately, thanks to PI some of us are about to be terrible while quadboxing titans.
SencneS Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2010.06.23 03:23:00 - [83] Originally by: Jamie Banks Consider your debt repayed. Noted If you wish to reverse your choice let me know via my spacebook... Amarr for Life
Jamie Banks Gallente Wasted and Still Mining	Posted - 2010.06.23 05:18:00 - [84] Originally by: SencneS Originally by: Jamie Banks Consider your debt repayed. Noted If you wish to reverse your choice let me know via my spacebook... Cool story bro. If it was EBANK SencneS I would be worried... _____________________________ EVE - Everyone vs. Everyone Join in-game Channel 'Aussies' Check my Bio in-game for good deals on Invention Packs
Tavusii	Posted - 2010.06.24 20:51:00 - [85] As a completely neutral bystander with no involvement in EBANK (I joined EVE after the dude did the thing with the isk and the scamming) I have to say I'm shocked by Ray McCorrmick and the rest of the BOD's attitude when interacting with people on the forums. Childish responses, swearing, calling names, and blatantly making fun of clients whose money you have locked up is ridiculously unprofessional approach to your customer service, not to mention short sighted. If you ever achieve your goals and reopen EBANK as a functioning entity, how can you expect the rest of the EVE community to trust you with their money after your behavior? Further, if that isn't your goal, then why not release peoples isk now, as surely nobody believes that their money is better invested in EBANK than if they had managed it themselves. If it is your goal, than I have to say, you should start ignoring the trolls and responding with reasonable responses.
Yendor Widdershins Gallente University of Caille	Posted - 2010.06.24 22:02:00 - [86] It's quite simple. Every EBank thread the BoD created has been locked at their own requests, usually after some awkward questions were asked. This thread was not created by the EBank board, so they can't automatically get a moderator to lock it. But if there is enough flameage and enough trolling stirred up, it will be locked anyway.
Professor Leech Transmetropolitan	Posted - 2010.06.24 23:11:00 - [87] Originally by: SencneS More goons! The more that show up the more laughs I get. To know my posts compelled them to simple show up and post. Who said you can't make goon do anything. If I speak it they will come.. And it was soooo... LOL Goons are attracted by scams hence why your posting attracts them. You seem to be happy with this situation which I'm sure is satisfactory to ebank customers. So why is ebank still accepting deposits?
Hexxx Minmatar	Posted - 2010.06.24 23:15:00 - [88] Originally by: Tavusii I have to say I'm shocked by Ray McCorrmick and the rest of the BOD's attitude when interacting with people on the forums. Just as shocked as you are by the attitude of the people on the forums, right? No? Hrmm.
Professor Leech Transmetropolitan	Posted - 2010.06.24 23:20:00 - [89] Originally by: Hexxx Hrmm. How long until you become as bitter as the rest of the BoD? Why is the ebank recovery taking longer than the BoD running missions to repay the outstanding isk?
Hexxx Minmatar	Posted - 2010.06.24 23:44:00 - [90] Originally by: Professor Leech Originally by: Hexxx Hrmm. How long until you become as bitter as the rest of the BoD? Why is the ebank recovery taking longer than the BoD running missions to repay the outstanding isk? Make a Bank. Run it. Find out.

Jamie Banks Gallente Wasted and Still Mining	Posted - 2010.06.25 00:04:00 - [91] Originally by: Tavusii I have to say I'm shocked by Ray McCorrmick and the rest of the BOD's attitude when interacting with people on the forums. It's a goon thread, this is the time for the BoD to let their hair down say whatever comes to mind and free man love for everyone.
Vilgan Mazran Aperture Harmonics K162	Posted - 2010.06.25 05:08:00 - [92] Originally by: Jamie Banks It's a goon thread, this is the time for the BoD to let their hair down say whatever comes to mind and free man love for everyone. Not a goon thread :( Altho they've kind of taken over a bit. I expected ebank to confirm that they got in on it, but not as much as would have been ideal. Ignoring it completely (other than the 500m sencnes spent on water or whatever) was somewhat unexpected. I guess it shouldn't have been, since they consider T2 BPOs to be a good % return or something.
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.06.25 05:39:00 - [93] Originally by: Professor Leech So why is ebank still accepting deposits? And how do you propose we stop people from sending ISK to the bank? Maybe by posting in it on our website, in our ingame channel MOTD, with several forum posts about our insolvency? Oh, wait... Short of that I think only breaking their fingers with a hammer every time they right-click lolbank to giev isk is our only other option, and I can't afford the airfare. Your trolls are becoming more pathetic every day, Professor no brain.
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.06.25 05:46:00 - [94] Originally by: Vilgan Mazran I expected ebank to confirm that they got in on it, but not as much as would have been ideal. Ignoring it completely (other than the 500m sencnes spent on water or whatever) was somewhat unexpected. I guess it shouldn't have been, since they consider T2 BPOs to be a good % return or something. If you wanted a reasonable answer you could have asked one of us privately to satisfy your curiosity, instead you posted troll-bait and got the same in return.
Professor Leech Transmetropolitan	Posted - 2010.06.25 06:04:00 - [95] Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: Professor Leech So why is ebank still accepting deposits? And how do you propose we stop people from sending ISK to the bank? Maybe by posting in it on our website, in our ingame channel MOTD, with several forum posts about our insolvency? Oh, wait... Short of that I think only breaking their fingers with a hammer every time they right-click lolbank to giev isk is our only other option, and I can't afford the airfare. Your trolls are becoming more pathetic every day, Professor no brain. So sending the isk back is completely out of the question then? I ask a genuine question and you resort to insults. How unfortunate.
RAW23	Posted - 2010.06.25 08:19:00 - [96] Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: Vilgan Mazran I expected ebank to confirm that they got in on it, but not as much as would have been ideal. Ignoring it completely (other than the 500m sencnes spent on water or whatever) was somewhat unexpected. I guess it shouldn't have been, since they consider T2 BPOs to be a good % return or something. If you wanted a reasonable answer you could have asked one of us privately to satisfy your curiosity, instead you posted troll-bait and got the same in return. I don't see why people should have to ask questions in private of a supposedly transparent institution that is attempting to recover from massive losses due in part to the effects of excessive opacity. There was nothing to stop you posting a reasoned explanation in this thread. You simply chose not to, preferring instead to encourage the trolls by giving them the kind of responses they wanted to see. You then complain about the trolling you encourage. Stop playing the martyr and make it a policy to just answer questions that can easily be answered.
SencneS Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2010.06.25 14:10:00 - [97] Originally by: RAW23 You simply chose not to, preferring instead to encourage the trolls by giving them the kind of responses they wanted to see. You then complain about the trolling you encourage. RAW - You know me. I try to answer the question as transparent as possible. This doesn't make a difference, I still get trolled. So if I complain about being trolled it's because it happens no matter what. This thread is a perfect example of that. Look at my first response. I answered the question honestly and as much transparency as possible without giving away what it was I purchased (As I didn't have it all sold yet). Yet the trolling went on for three pages after that. While I admit I didn't help as I trolled back, sure but that's me having some fun. Got to, to be honest. If I was dead serious all the time someone trolled me I'd have an aneurysm. Doesn't matter what we post where we post it or how it happens it gets trolled. That's not being a martyr, that's being a realist. Amarr for Life
RAW23	Posted - 2010.06.25 14:35:00 - [98] Originally by: SencneS Originally by: RAW23 You simply chose not to, preferring instead to encourage the trolls by giving them the kind of responses they wanted to see. You then complain about the trolling you encourage. RAW - You know me. I try to answer the question as transparent as possible. This doesn't make a difference, I still get trolled. So if I complain about being trolled it's because it happens no matter what. This thread is a perfect example of that. Look at my first response. I answered the question honestly and as much transparency as possible without giving away what it was I purchased (As I didn't have it all sold yet). Yet the trolling went on for three pages after that. While I admit I didn't help as I trolled back, sure but that's me having some fun. Got to, to be honest. If I was dead serious all the time someone trolled me I'd have an aneurysm. Doesn't matter what we post where we post it or how it happens it gets trolled. That's not being a martyr, that's being a realist. You, like everyone else on any EVE forums, will get trolled a bit. That much is unavoidable. You guys will get trolled a bit more because you are doing something that most people strongly disapprove of and that many consider tantamount to theft. That is also unavoidable (the trolling that is). However, the extent to which you get trolled is still something that can be managed. There have been a number of recent threads involving ebank directors in which the trolling was light to moderate. There is a reason that it is heavier in this thread and part of that reason is that the tone for the discussion here was set to "confrontational" by the throw-away answer given in the second post. I'm not saying that there would have been no trolling if the initial response was a reasoned explanation but I very strongly suspect there would have been considerably less. Stating that any questions should be asked privately if a reasoned response is desired is not the way to regain lost confidence or to provide a palatable face for your project.
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.06.25 15:10:00 - [99] Edited by: Ray McCormack on 25/06/2010 15:14:14 Edited by: Ray McCormack on 25/06/2010 15:12:30 Originally by: RAW23 I don't see why people should have to ask questions in private Then let me qualify that by adding "or in an appropriate manner". For an example of this, please see our open responses to your recent thread, a much better platform than this blatant gloat post. And don't twist my words into assuming I'm complaining about something, I'm doing nothing of the sort. I'm simply stating that if people expect decent answers then this is not the manner in which to request them. Originally by: Professor Leech So sending the isk back is completely out of the question then? No, it's not - this is something we do when requested. Raw, I will make it clear - we decide the terms upon which we engage, if we choose to engage trolls by trolling then see it for what it is. Likewise for when we engage constructively elsewhere. Originally by: RAW23 Stating that any questions should be asked privately if a reasoned response is desired is not the way to regain lost confidence or to provide a palatable face for your project. And once again you pick one part of what I say that isn't fully qualified and interpret it as gospel. Can you see how pointless this discourse is when assumptions are so easily reached? Follow My EBANK Chatter
RAW23	Posted - 2010.06.25 16:31:00 - [100] Originally by: Ray McCormack Raw, I will make it clear - we decide the terms upon which we engage, if we choose to engage trolls by trolling then see it for what it is. Likewise for when we engage constructively elsewhere. Originally by: RAW23 Stating that any questions should be asked privately if a reasoned response is desired is not the way to regain lost confidence or to provide a palatable face for your project. And once again you pick one part of what I say that isn't fully qualified and interpret it as gospel. Can you see how pointless this discourse is when assumptions are so easily reached? The thing is, if it isn't qualified then I either have to take it at face value or make an assumption. So rather than make an assumption about what you mean I start by taking it at face value and then you get to qualify it when you see what other people might understand by your initial, unqualified, comments. This process of clarification is exactly what makes the discourse fruitful, not pointless. If you have been misunderstood you rephrase and get understood correctly. You can't expect everyone to give ebank statements the benefit of the doubt and assume that the least problematic interpretation applies in each case. I'm afraid that the institution has lost its right to the principle of charity by failing to correct people (myself included at times) who have read positive things into your statements that do not in fact apply (for example, for a considerable amount of time people posted under the assumption that once the 700bil barrier was reached withdrawals would be allowed, which was a sympathetic reading of one of your past policy announcements; they were not relieved of their misconceptions until much later when it was made plain that such withdrawals would, in fact, be subject to a range of other controlling factors).

Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.06.25 16:40:00 - [101] I have neither the time nor inclination to correct each and every misconception that arises. For you to assume the worst because of our decision not to do so is a major misjudgement on your part and of no consequence on ours. Follow My EBANK Chatter
RAW23	Posted - 2010.06.25 17:46:00 - [102] Edited by: RAW23 on 25/06/2010 17:46:50 Originally by: Ray McCormack I have neither the time nor inclination to correct each and every misconception that arises. For you to assume the worst because of our decision not to do so is a major misjudgement on your part and of no consequence on ours. If you are not willing to make your initial statements as clear as possible by qualifying them in situ and you are not willing to consistently correct misconceptions that arise from an initial lack of clarity then you are pursuing a communicative strategy that is pretty much guaranteed to lead to you being widely misunderstood. If you won't correct people who put an inaccurate positive or negative spin on your comments how can they have any confidence in any approach other than to take your words as literally as possible? I am trying very hard not to assume the worst at the moment but I can't reasonably assume the best either. I find it worrying that (and I'm taking your words literally again here; please feel free to clarify if I have misinterpreted ) you think it is of no consequence to ebank that someone might perfectly reasonably form a negative misconception of your institution when it is your stated goal to return ebank to the position of being one of EVE's leading financial institutions. I just don't see how you can accomplish that goal if you think it is of no consequence that people might think badly of you for no actual reason. Positive interpretation that I can have no confidence in without clarification Unless it's just my opinion that is of no consequence to you and you think that no one who is relevant to ebank's future success will ever form a misconception. This is a more positive interpretation but probably not a charitable one either as it doesn't seem easily sustainable. Easiest to just tell people rather than leaving them guessing.
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.06.25 18:06:00 - [103] Originally by: RAW23 I'm just saying that consistency is required for confidence in your statements to grow. And I am saying that consistency will be provided where required, not in our like-for-like responses in troll threads. Simply accept this thread for what it is and don't assume anything else from it. Follow My EBANK Chatter
Drab Cane Carbenadium Industries	Posted - 2010.06.26 07:20:00 - [104] Originally by: Tavusii As a completely neutral bystander with no involvement in EBANK (I joined EVE after the dude did the thing with the isk and the scamming) I have to say I'm shocked by Ray McCorrmick and the rest of the BOD's attitude when interacting with people on the forums. Childish responses, swearing, calling names, and blatantly making fun of clients whose money you have locked up is ridiculously unprofessional approach to your customer service, not to mention short sighted. If you ever achieve your goals and reopen EBANK as a functioning entity, how can you expect the rest of the EVE community to trust you with their money after your behavior? Further, if that isn't your goal, then why not release peoples isk now, as surely nobody believes that their money is better invested in EBANK than if they had managed it themselves. If it is your goal, than I have to say, you should start ignoring the trolls and responding with reasonable responses. To paraphrase Mr. Scott, a person can only take so much crap before giving some back. EBANK staff have had their fill of trolls a long, long time ago. ----------------------------------------------- - Who Dares, Wins
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.06.26 13:34:00 - [105] Edited by: Weaselior on 26/06/2010 13:35:13 Originally by: Vilgan Mazran Not a goon thread :( Altho they've kind of taken over a bit. someone posted a link to this thread in our lords of finance jabber channel when we were counting how much money we'd made as an alliance from npc stuff needless to say there were cackles all around when we realized we'd made enough to make ebank solvent edit: oh and when we're done we'll have made more than ebank's entire net worth
Vendorson	Posted - 2010.06.28 19:08:00 - [106] Is ebank getting in on the various profit still ongoing with PI? Nanite paste, guidance systems, etc? A bit late for the 1000% profits to be had, but some research into how everything works makes it obvious that some things are still going to double or triple over the next 6-9 months. That's too long of a time frame for many, but that would be trivial to any group who considers a T2 bpo a good investment.
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.06.28 19:18:00 - [107] If you have a proposal that could see the bank make some good returns to speed up the recovery please email it to [email protected] with supporting sums and we can take it from there. Thanks. Follow My EBANK Chatter
SencneS Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2010.06.28 19:23:00 - [108] Originally by: Weaselior were cackles all around when we realized we'd made enough to make ebank solvent oh and when we're done we'll have made more than ebank's entire net worth How many people participated in this collection? I only ask because if it's less then 3 then OMG Well done, if it's more then 4 then pfft so what big deal, the collective MD has made more then enough to make EBANK solvent 50 times over I'm sure. Patting yourself on the back when you have a massive workforce at your disposal is a shallow victory. Never under estimate the power of stupid people in large number. Saying "we'd made enough to make ebank solvent" when you could have 20 people doing the job with, even as little as 3B each you do realize that's more then EBANK has to spend.. So you can toot you horn all you like what could be 100 people with 5B ISK each making 2 Trillion ISK in a week is easy. When you have 3 people with less then 5B ISK each to invest as they see fit is not exactly equal competition. I'm sure if MD as a whole fired up a thread and posted their "Earnings" it would DWARF Goons's profits.. Amarr for Life
Kieselguhr Kid	Posted - 2010.06.28 19:54:00 - [109] Originally by: Ray McCormack If you have a proposal that could see the bank make some good returns to speed up the recovery please email it to [email protected] with supporting sums and we can take it from there. Thanks. "Please do our homework for us. Don't forget to include a detailed spreadsheet including exactly how much money we will make and we'll take it under advisement." Nah, it's way more fun to laugh at you.
pmchem Minmatar GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.06.28 20:11:00 - [110] Originally by: Ray McCormack If you have a proposal that could see the bank make some good returns to speed up the recovery please email it to [email protected] with supporting sums and we can take it from there. Thanks. I offered my services earlier in this thread. Any amount of isk you send me I will double it, as I am rich and quitting eve.

Mme Pinkerton United Engineering Services	Posted - 2010.06.28 20:19:00 - [111] Edited by: Mme Pinkerton on 28/06/2010 20:19:57 Originally by: SencneS When you have 3 people with less then 5B ISK each to invest as they see fit is not exactly equal competition. EBANK could easily allot these 3 people a lot more than 5B ISK each - if you voluntarily choose to use much less ISK than optimal, you're operating on the same level as these "from rags to riches" challenges and shouldn't be amazed that people will call you out for that. If you tie one arm behind your back you are of course right in the remark that you won't be able to work as productively as somebody who can use both of his hands - but you shouldn't forget that you alone are responsible for this limitation (and the consequences arising from it). ("you" in this case referring to EBANK as a whole and its BoD in particular)
Vilgan Mazran Aperture Harmonics K162	Posted - 2010.06.28 21:59:00 - [112] Originally by: SencneS When you have 3 people with less then 5B ISK each to invest as they see fit is not exactly equal competition. Huh? Originally by: Ray McCormack Check again. For the record, EBANK owns the following T2 Blueprints, and their respective purchase prices: Helios Blueprint - 60b Lachesis Blueprint - 40b Damnation Blueprint - 72b Nighthawk Blueprint - 75b +4 titan BPOs That doesn't sound like <5 bil per person split 3 ways to me. Moving lots of assets into terrible return but "secure" investments makes sense when you are about to retire and don't really need to make much money. It doesn't make much sense to keep 500 bil stuck in assets that give terrible returns and then complain about only having 5 bil per person to make isk with. Hell I only had 50 to play with not 500 and between reproc and PI items will end up with around 200-300. How many years will it take for that damnation BPO to generate that much isk?
SencneS Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2010.06.29 00:40:00 - [113] Originally by: Mme Pinkerton EBANK could easily allot these 3 people a lot more than 5B ISK each - if you voluntarily choose to use much less ISK than optimal, you're operating on the same level as these "from rags to riches" challenges and shouldn't be amazed that people will call you out for that. If you tie one arm behind your back you are of course right in the remark that you won't be able to work as productively as somebody who can use both of his hands - but you shouldn't forget that you alone are responsible for this limitation (and the consequences arising from it). ("you" in this case referring to EBANK as a whole and its BoD in particular) Though it might seem like that, it's not. Sorry to disappoint, believe it or not the choice is yours. The fact I personally had more ISK available then EBANK funds gives you an idea about how much was available.. Amarr for Life
Vilgan Mazran Aperture Harmonics K162	Posted - 2010.06.29 13:37:00 - [114] Originally by: SencneS The fact I personally had more ISK available then EBANK funds gives you an idea about how much was available.. Why are you even bothering with ebank funds then? 5 bil is a pretty paltry sum, and even if you triple it, its a fairly irrelevant change. Seems like you'd be better off spending all of your time/energy on multiplying your own funds than stressing about some pennies from ebank. If they gave you 72 bil to play with instead of buying a damnation bpo.. then you can do something. But why work/stress over ebank ventures when you don't have enough isk to play with to actually make a relevant change in the balance sheet?
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.06.29 15:42:00 - [115] Originally by: SencneS How many people participated in this collection? I only ask because if it's less then 3 then OMG Well done, if it's more then 4 then pfft so what big deal lawl see this is why you guys are so terrible who cares how many people it was: what matters is how much money it was like to anyone who knows anything this attack is completely nonsensical because the effort involved was "go to station, place buy order at max npc price, watch system **** itself as it fills that buy order a hundred thousand times", there was no effort requirement and so the number of people is irrelevant: what matters is the capital that was invested, and the actual capital invested was an amount ebank should have been able to come up with easily (sadly we tied up 20b or so making three outposts and so that money only tripled instead of the 10x guidance systems did immediately ahh well) but in short "how many characters did you use" ahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahaha ebank is the gift that keeps on giving
Coffey Black	Posted - 2010.06.29 17:09:00 - [116] Just take EBANK and its staff for what they are: A failed internet spaceship bank clinging to a small degree of importance. And a special note for Ray: An internet spaceship financial baron. He, nor EBANK, will never loosen their grip on the public funds until they are sure they will still be important after they give back the isk. Hey Ray, it's pretty nice to have all the chips isn't it? Pathetic.
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.06.29 17:16:00 - [117] Originally by: Coffey Black Hey Ray, it's pretty nice to have all the chips isn't it? Absolutely. Follow My EBANK Chatter
SencneS Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2010.06.29 20:07:00 - [118] Originally by: Vilgan Mazran Words... It remained to be seen which is a better deal, have you seen the prices of T2 ships? Just how are T2 BPOs valued again???? ahh never mind we'll find out in a few months.. Besides, it was still a gamble on something which could have gone either way. Giving people the ability to make NPC goods out of thin air, you have idea if macros will be fast enough to create a new one, harvest hundreds of millions of units a day crashing the market. We are literally talking about spending a couple of million ISK and generate ENDLESS NPC Products. Err on the side of caution, why people think gambling the pewny about is workable capital we have is a smart idea, are stupid. I was going to post this the other day but choose not to anyway but I'll do it now. EBANK has about 480B ISK in what I would consider difficult to move assets. As in assets that A) No one would buy, B) Would take a long time to sell.. This leaves EBANK with 270B of easy to move assets.. The problem is those easy to move assets literally make the most ISK. So it's a coin toss. Remove the guaranteed ISK printers and gamble it on speculation or Hold em and make do with what is available. Just why is there 480B ISK in unmovable assets? A Majority of it is Titan BPOs. Which created it's own Delmer.. I'm sure we could have offloaded the Titan BPOs for 30% under NPC. Even if we where stupid enough to cancel the 2 weeks from completion ME2 research. Lets assume we didn't sell them but leveraged them in a loan.. No lender is going to give us full price for the Titan BPO, 66B odd. So we're be taking a risk that if we got say 40B out of it for collateral, the Borrower could say THANKS FOR THE 66B BPO FOR 40B SUCKERS!! Just like if wanted the leverage the full amount, we'd hear "And have you stick me with BPO I can't sell for NPC, I don't think so!" The remainder of the 480B is stocks, Loans, Characters which all help with Industry. While it may seem like a pretty obvious choice to most, when you're actually behind the wheel all the choices come with pros and cons. The problem is we can't afford to take much gamble on what little is left. Ricdic gambled on CRAP IPOs, 5 Titan BPOs, crappy market manipulation over and over. Here is something everyone should keep in mind - We don't want to be Ricdic, he used EBANK's ISK and gambled on it every day and dug a 1.2Trillion ISK hole. WHY THE F! Would we want to do the same???? We're trying to RECOVER the bank, not put it in a worst off position. I gambled as much ISK as I could on NPC Items It's not like we DIDN'T do it, we DID! We just didn't have 1) The man power, 2) The ISK to do as well as a 4000 person alliance with what could be 50 times the capital we had available. You've all been beating a dead horse patting yourselves on the back for it. Clap clap for the handy capped. Amarr for Life
Professor Leech Transmetropolitan	Posted - 2010.06.30 02:24:00 - [119] Originally by: SencneS You've all been beating a dead horse patting yourselves on the back for it. Clap clap for the handy capped. This is a case of battered horse syndrome, it keeps coming back. You could make like every other :airquote: bank and just disappear to never post again. This thread could only be improved by Kwint returning to defend ricdic against accusations of being a scammer. Originally by: LADY MEGA because of the PI?
Kieselguhr Kid	Posted - 2010.06.30 04:56:00 - [120] Edited by: Kieselguhr Kid on 30/06/2010 04:56:23 As I said, I don't like doing your homework for you, but this is why you're dumb: Originally by: SencneS Just why is there 480B ISK in unmovable assets? ...Even if we where stupid enough to cancel the 2 weeks from completion ME2 research. Pro tip: when you have 480B isk in immovable assets that make next to no money, the correct thing to do is usually not to spend 3 months and somewhere around 10b in opportunity cost researching the assets to produce ME 2 BPCs worth nearly the same amount of money as ME 1's. Have you considered running a quick calculation to see how long those BPC's would take to pay off at ME2 if you got 100% of the added value out of them, given you spent 3 months not copying them? You didn't? I am stunned and amazed~

Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2010.06.30 13:58:00 - [121] ..That's exactly the problem. You stated that you are trying to recover the bank, IE recover your coveted INTERNET SPACESHIP BANK BOD FINANCIAL GURU. NOT trying to recover the people's isk. No one cares one bit about EBANK other then getting their isk out. YOU care about having an important position, and being more then just regular John Q. Spacepilot. I would wager that if you guys would have just liquidated from the start, paid back the depositors, and started fresh you could be running a successful bank right now. But after EBANK BOD's ego fiasco you wont get a dime out of any of the playerbase. You are not trustworthy. You have shown you don't give a crap about anyone who deposited isk in your "bank." And why the hell would you want to continue running this bank in the state that it is? Go blow up some spaceships! Do you get compensated at all for all this headache? Is being a financial czar that important to you? Pathetic.
SencneS Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2010.06.30 14:43:00 - [122] Edited by: SencneS on 30/06/2010 14:46:36 Originally by: Kieselguhr Kid Have you considered running a quick calculation to see how long those BPC's would take to pay off at ME2 if you got 100% of the added value out of them, given you spent 3 months not copying them? You didn't? I am stunned and amazed~ Have you considered that... no no You didn't. I'm stunned an amazed at the assumptions you're making!! Why run off copies when we already have copies which are not selling... OMG THE SHOCK THE HORROR ON YOUR FACE it's horrendous! I tell you what, place a buy order contract to me for the Titan BPC of your choice for 7B ISK and I'll fill it... So what do you say about that??? Was running to ME2 a good idea when we have BPCs laying around? Yes, Yes it is... Thank you come again! Edit:- Let us know if you want ME2 BPC's we'll have those in 120-130 days from now. Same price! Amarr for Life
Vilgan Mazran Aperture Harmonics K162	Posted - 2010.06.30 14:46:00 - [123] Props to SencneS to actually responding instead of acting like a 12 year old (Ray) or making 1 idiotic post and then disappearing again (AC155). On to the actual post.. Originally by: SencneS Giving people the ability to make NPC goods out of thin air, you have idea if macros will be fast enough to create a new one, harvest hundreds of millions of units a day crashing the market. We are literally talking about spending a couple of million ISK and generate ENDLESS NPC Products. Macros are a concern with PI, especially since it is so easy to macro. A bit of research into PI would have shown that at least some things were still guaranteed to go up. Silicate glass for example: You can make 1800/day of it in 0.0 on the 24 hour extraction rate normally, lets say depletion doesn't exist and a macro triples that. That's still only 1.2 mil/day or 36 mil/month at the old npc price. Btw, it can't be made on 1 planet so there is also tons of hauling involved. Why exactly is someone going to macro PI for 36 mil/month when they could macro mine for 36 mil/day or macro rat for 36 mil in 2-3 hours? A bit of investigation would have shown that Silicate glass was 100% guaranteed to go up significantly in price. Originally by: SencneS Just why is there 480B ISK in unmovable assets? A Majority of it is Titan BPOs. Which created it's own Delmer.. I'm sure we could have offloaded the Titan BPOs for 30% under NPC. Even if we where stupid enough to cancel the 2 weeks from completion ME2 research. Lets assume we didn't sell them but leveraged them in a loan.. No lender is going to give us full price for the Titan BPO, 66B odd. So we're be taking a risk that if we got say 40B out of it for collateral, the Borrower could say THANKS FOR THE 66B BPO FOR 40B SUCKERS!! Just like if wanted the leverage the full amount, we'd hear "And have you stick me with BPO I can't sell for NPC, I don't think so!" The remainder of the 480B is stocks, Loans, Characters which all help with Industry. I personally don't disagree with researching them up to ME 1. It makes them easier to offload at less of a loss. You also aren't going to cancel ME 2 research w/ 2 weeks to go. What I do question is ever putting the BPOs into ME 2 research to begin with. An unresearched titan BPO is typically worth 10 bil under NPC or 12 under if you want to move it a bit quicker. ME 0 to ME 1 drops the mineral price of a titan by around 1.6 bil, so to someone purchasing its probably worth 4.8 bil (3 titans) more. Moving an ME 1 BPO for around 5-7 under shouldn't be that hard, and jives with what I've seen on the forsale forum. However, boosting it to ME 2 makes no sense. It only decreased the mineral cost another 550 mil/titan, so someone isn't likely to increase their payment more than about 2 bil for the BPO. Even if you DID manage to get 3 bil extra for ME 2 vs ME 1, that's still about half of what you could have gotten from a Titan BPC which would have taken equal or (I believe) slightly less time to make. Aren't titan BPCs terrible income, so why is half that a good thing? The Titan BPOs should have been liquidated months ago when they hit ME 1, not thrown in for another research cycle by people who give the appearance of being bad at math. Originally by: SencneS I gambled as much ISK as I could on NPC Items It's not like we DIDN'T do it, we DID! We just didn't have 1) The man power, 2) The ISK to do as well as a 4000 person alliance with what could be 50 times the capital we had available. Wtf is this 4000 man alliance nonsense. You didn't do as good as one person. And the manpower wasn't exactly hard. Set up a buy order, close Eve, relog, contract everything to red frog.
SencneS Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2010.06.30 14:56:00 - [124] Originally by: Vilgan Mazran I personally don't disagree with researching them up to ME 1. It makes them easier to offload at less of a loss. You also aren't going to cancel ME 2 research w/ 2 weeks to go. What I do question is ever putting the BPOs into ME 2 research to begin with. An unresearched titan BPO is typically worth 10 bil under NPC or 12 under if you want to move it a bit quicker. ME 0 to ME 1 drops the mineral price of a titan by around 1.6 bil, so to someone purchasing its probably worth 4.8 bil (3 titans) more. Moving an ME 1 BPO for around 5-7 under shouldn't be that hard, and jives with what I've seen on the forsale forum. However, boosting it to ME 2 makes no sense. It only decreased the mineral cost another 550 mil/titan, so someone isn't likely to increase their payment more than about 2 bil for the BPO. Even if you DID manage to get 3 bil extra for ME 2 vs ME 1, that's still about half of what you could have gotten from a Titan BPC which would have taken equal or (I believe) slightly less time to make. Aren't titan BPCs terrible income, so why is half that a good thing? The Titan BPOs should have been liquidated months ago when they hit ME 1, not thrown in for another research cycle by people who give the appearance of being bad at math. ME2 is a "We Win button" We all do it when buying BPCs we look at ME levels. If one BPC is selling for say 1m and is ME20 and the other which is selling for 1.1mil is ME40, the ME40 is the one we go for. Not to mention it should be much MUCH easier to offload as ME2 considering it takes months to do. We do actually have BPCs laying around so the choice was make another three which isn't selling or push it to ME2. In which we can list for even the same price as other BPCs on contract and guess which one of these extremely slow moving BPCs gets sold first... And you're right they are not TERRIBLE but they are not great either. The same amount of capital dumped into pretty much ANYTHING else would result in more profit over the same time period. The "touch" footprint is extremely light, so light in fact you can do it with trial accounts and keep your slots free. Not that it's slot intensive either but you could. So for the workload sure they are great, but when comparing capital to profit ratio they are not. Amarr for Life
Vilgan Mazran Aperture Harmonics K162	Posted - 2010.06.30 15:20:00 - [125] Originally by: SencneS We do actually have BPCs laying around so the choice was make another three which isn't selling or push it to ME2. ME 1 or ME 0 for the existing? and which races? I'll buy up all your erebus/avatar BPCs for 6 bil/ea if they are ME 1 :P
SencneS Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2010.06.30 16:06:00 - [126] Originally by: Vilgan Mazran Originally by: SencneS We do actually have BPCs laying around so the choice was make another three which isn't selling or push it to ME2. ME 1 or ME 0 for the existing? and which races? I'll buy up all your erebus/avatar BPCs for 6 bil/ea if they are ME 1 :P They are all ME0s.. How that came about was the Levi is about 40 days ahead of the other, when ME0 copies (the first one) Levi was the first one out. At the time all the talk about Titan nerfing was happening and no one purchased it even though we literally went from trying to sell at 15b to 10b cut 1/3th the price. Once we had 1 BPC of each we went to ME1 hoping the talk was just, the BOD agreed we need to offload these things with the all talk about nerfing. By the time they came out of ME1 the patch was in place :( And all the fears of Titan manufactures was a reality. We couldn't offload the BPOs at ME1 because it was literally right after the nerf. The choice to move to ME2 just to get to them to be too good to pass up was set in place. It's actually been really bad timing all round... PI comes along and we still had 2-3 weeks left on ME2 which we could have used that capital. Before that ME1 finished right on the Titan Nerf release. Before that Ricdic cancelled the Copy Job and attempted an unlock with less then a month to copy. You can see why we have a bitter taste in our mouths about these things. I haven't suggested it to the BOD yet but if we are going to sell these BPOs, it might be a little incentive to sell them along with a single 1 Run BPC.. Kinda like sweetening the pot. I'm pretty sure sell the BPOs for the right price, but I know we also want to try to make it work if we have no choice. So it's likely each one of these will get a single copy before we really try hard selling them outright, if anything just to break even on BPO Cost and Fuel. You never know, maybe ME2 is the magic level that makes them too attractive NOT to buy. Hard to say, consider I see the same people selling what I believe is the same BPCs on contract week after week I don't think ME0 will simple sell unless it's literally 3B which would make them totally useless from a profit standpoint. So using them as a sales pitch (Get a ME2 Titan BPO and get 1 run BPC along with it!!), might be the only way to sell em. Amarr for Life
Vilgan Mazran Aperture Harmonics K162	Posted - 2010.06.30 16:36:00 - [127] Have you explored having BB sell them for you as a variety of people have mentioned in previous threads? I'd expect something like 5 Bil to Ebank, 1 Bil to BB (or Titans 4U, not sure who gets the isk) would be about the expected profit on them. Or just build titans in shadows of xxdeath/solar territory like many others :P Might be tough if you don't have the slots to make the components out there tho.
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.06.30 21:19:00 - [128] Originally by: SencneS ME2 is a "We Win button" you guys just keep on giving maybe you should try setting the bar just a little bit higher for 'winning'
Vilgan Mazran Aperture Harmonics K162	Posted - 2010.07.01 18:59:00 - [129] So what are the plans for the 68 Bil from the sale of the ME 2 Erebus BPO to Titans 4U? Please, anything but "ANOTHER T2 BPO HURRAY!!!!11111" Of course, 5 seconds browsing the WTB forum would reveal BB is getting a hell of a deal considering someone is currently offering 71.5 Bil for an ME 1 Erebus BPO here: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1345753
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.07.01 19:14:00 - [130] You want a job or something? Follow My EBANK Chatter

Vilgan Mazran Aperture Harmonics K162	Posted - 2010.07.02 17:32:00 - [131] Originally by: Ray McCormack You want a job or something? ? I guess I'd be willing to take yours. Obviously only if it included the power to liquidate everything and get assets back to depositors in 180 days instead of "NEVER, WE WANT TO MAKE ISK AS SLOWLY AS HUMANLY POSSIBLE FIRST" which I guess is the current plan.
Varo Jan Caravanserai Consulting	Posted - 2010.07.02 17:43:00 - [132] Give it a rest, Vilgan. Had you bothered to read the zillion other EBank threads, you'd have realised you were parroting what's already been said.
Ronaldo Carrare RR Financial Services	Posted - 2010.07.03 08:13:00 - [133] The attitude of the CEO and the directors just makes it impossible to trust ebank and try to deal with them.
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.07.03 12:04:00 - [134] Originally by: Ronaldo Carrare The attitude of the CEO and the directors just makes it impossible to trust ebank and try to deal with them. Um, the bank lost in excess of one trillion ISK that was entrusted to it and you're still contemplating trusting it at some point? umad? Follow My EBANK Chatter
Tavusii	Posted - 2010.07.03 20:19:00 - [135] Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: Ronaldo Carrare The attitude of the CEO and the directors just makes it impossible to trust ebank and try to deal with them. Um, the bank lost in excess of one trillion ISK that was entrusted to it and you're still contemplating trusting it at some point? umad? You need trust in order to continue operating as an entity after you have successfully made back everybody's isk and allowed them to withdraw it (which is your stated goal, correct?). If you just want to get back to 100% and then stop functioning as a bank, then why don't you just liquidate and give everyone their isk back, because at this point, anybody could earn their isk back faster than you. EBANK's actions and behavior only makes sense if in fact their intention is to never repay any isk whatsoever for the following reasons: a) Your plan surely can't be to continue being a functional bank after opening up withdrawls, as nobody in their right mind would do business with people who have attitudes such as yours. and b) If your plan is to somehow right EBANK's honor by being able to honor 100% of deposits, then it is foolhardy and misguided, as people would have an easier time making their isk back themselves, at a smaller scale and higher margins. Here are my constructive suggestions. 1. Liquidate your assets at whatever the fair market price is. If it takes two months, so be it. Don't worry about getting back to 100% liquidity. Mark down everyone's account to the bank's liquid value by percentage. 2. Allow the bank rush to happen. If 100% of your funds get withdrawn, so be it. I doubt that. You won't have 500 billion under managagment, but take whats left and use that. 3. Start behaving like a real bank, rather than some kind of forced investment fund investing in highly illiquid assets. Have cash liquidity requirements and invest the rest in secured, liquid, collateralized loans. EVE needs a bank. Allow other service providers to leverage people's EBANK accounts. IPOs, secondary markets, middleman escrow, etc. Stop thinking about earning people isk back, because frankly, you suck at it, and start thinking like a bank. EBANK seems to be the only game in town, and it could regain its place if it acted differently.
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.07.04 07:39:00 - [136] Originally by: Tavusii Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: Ronaldo Carrare The attitude of the CEO and the directors just makes it impossible to trust ebank and try to deal with them. Um, the bank lost in excess of one trillion ISK that was entrusted to it and you're still contemplating trusting it at some point? umad? You need trust in order to continue operating as an entity after you have successfully made back everybody's isk and allowed them to withdraw it (which is your stated goal, correct?). If you believe that our attitude on the forums will engender trust in our operations then you are setting yourself up once more for disappointment. How we behave should have no impact on the trust or lack thereof in the bank when it resumes normal operations. Other factors should form the core of your decision to trust us, not whether we engage politely with trolls. Your measuring stick needs serious adjustment if you think good PR lends so heavily (or at all) towards our trustworthiness. Follow My EBANK Chatter
Inaara Serra	Posted - 2010.07.04 09:42:00 - [137] Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: Tavusii Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: Ronaldo Carrare The attitude of the CEO and the directors just makes it impossible to trust ebank and try to deal with them. Um, the bank lost in excess of one trillion ISK that was entrusted to it and you're still contemplating trusting it at some point? umad? You need trust in order to continue operating as an entity after you have successfully made back everybody's isk and allowed them to withdraw it (which is your stated goal, correct?). If you believe that our attitude on the forums will engender trust in our operations then you are setting yourself up once more for disappointment. How we behave should have no impact on the trust or lack thereof in the bank when it resumes normal operations. Other factors should form the core of your decision to trust us, not whether we engage politely with trolls. Your measuring stick needs serious adjustment if you think good PR lends so heavily (or at all) towards our trustworthiness. you missed the point. he never limited the statement to forums. locking down peoples isk for months against their will & reluctance to liquidate and pay back now is what he is refering to.
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.07.04 10:23:00 - [138] Originally by: Inaara Serra you missed the point. he never limited the statement to forums. locking down peoples isk for months against their will & reluctance to liquidate and pay back now is what he is refering to. Then that is the risk we are willing to take now to achieve the goals we set. Follow My EBANK Chatter
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.07.05 22:33:00 - [139] basically all npc goods are now at more than 10x their former seeded price good job ebank~~~~
Daeva Vios	Posted - 2010.07.06 03:24:00 - [140] Originally by: Ray McCormack If you believe that our attitude on the forums will engender trust in our operations then you are setting yourself up once more for disappointment. How we behave should have no impact on the trust or lack thereof in the bank when it resumes normal operations. Other factors should form the core of your decision to trust us, not whether we engage politely with trolls. Your measuring stick needs serious adjustment if you think good PR lends so heavily (or at all) towards our trustworthiness. Good PR does not engender trust nearly as well as it used to for the obvious reasons. Bad PR should still cause people to pause, and pause again. Ultimately I rest easy knowing I pulled what little money I trusted you guys with out long before any of this mess. There is a proper way to handle a total failure and an improper way. I once respected many people who are currently associated with this bank, and expected them to know and follow the proper way. This is no longer the case. This was handled without grace. ------------------------------------- NECB

JASON W0RTHING The Devolved	Posted - 2010.07.06 05:57:00 - [141] Regardless, it is quite clear that the EBANK directors suck at making isk. As they have chosen the slowest possible ways to make isk with the 750b they have. You never addressed the insurance fraud question. That didn't take a friggin' genius to figure out and was absolutely risk free. Originally by: CCP Shadow What is thy bidd -- Wait. This thread, I have an irresistible urge to lock it for "being related to neither crime nor punishment."
Amarr Citizen 155 Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.07.06 06:13:00 - [142] Originally by: JASON W0RTHING Regardless, it is quite clear that the EBANK directors suck at making isk. As they have chosen the slowest possible ways to make isk with the 750b they have. You never addressed the insurance fraud question. That didn't take a friggin' genius to figure out and was absolutely risk free. My apologies for not running to this forum to post every time I do something. And yes, we were involved in insurance fraud but probably not to the extent of others. I think at its peak we had 8-10 bpo's going. If people feel like posting to confirm I sold them ships to blow up they may but I'm not going to do more than make this post and I'm surprised I've taken the time to even do this much considering there's really no reason to respond in threads like this. Good day. /finger
SencneS Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2010.07.06 15:30:00 - [143] Originally by: JASON W0RTHING Regardless, it is quite clear that the EBANK directors suck at making isk. As they have chosen the slowest possible ways to make isk with the 750b they have. You never addressed the insurance fraud question. That didn't take a friggin' genius to figure out and was absolutely risk free. I made plenty of money, still am... and what limited EBANK funds I had access too made plenty too. If we had 750B ISK spent on speculation I'm sure EBANK would have been clear of the debt. The fact is we didn't have the funds. Droning on and on about how little the multi-billions we made with the little ISK we had access to is like yelling a 1 week old pilot that took his first frigate into low-sec looking for Rats and saying how stupid they are. All it does is make you look like a turd licker. While I enjoy the comedy of reading these posts you guys can go on and on as much as you like. Until you actually realize just how little ISK we had to spend on speculation, not because we didn't, I did because my venture had it available. Ray was filling a long standing long term supply contract, sorry we're not going snub our long term ISK generators for short term goals. Because it's worth more to us to keep that line open. Not sure why you guys have a hard time understanding a simple concept here. If we did recover the 1.2 Trillion ISK overnight you think we'd close up shop? NO... The party would just be getting started. So burning our ISK generator bridges for short term one shot gain is stupid! Amarr for Life
Vilgan Mazran Aperture Harmonics K162	Posted - 2010.07.06 15:54:00 - [144] Originally by: SencneS Not sure why you guys have a hard time understanding a simple concept here. If we did recover the 1.2 Trillion ISK overnight you think we'd close up shop? NO... The party would just be getting started. So burning our ISK generator bridges for short term one shot gain is stupid! Assuming guidance systems only pay back 16x the original investment (very conservative) what is the estimated time for your damnation BPO to recoup a similar amount? blaming it on not enough isk available seems questionable when you locked a ton of isk into T2 BPOs that offer horrible return and are very slow to liquidate.
SencneS Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2010.07.06 16:33:00 - [145] Originally by: Vilgan Mazran Assuming guidance systems only pay back 16x the original investment (very conservative) what is the estimated time for your damnation BPO to recoup a similar amount? blaming it on not enough isk available seems questionable when you locked a ton of isk into T2 BPOs that offer horrible return and are very slow to liquidate. You keep mentioning the Damnation BPO and ignoring the others... Whats the deal with that?? Where the other bidder or something? Did we steal it away from you? And just how high do you think GSs would have gone if we purchased 70B worth... That would have 70,000,000,000 / 418 = 167,464,114 Guidance Systems sitting on the market.. Considering the average daily consumption in Forge was between oh lets shoot high... 1mil units.. Meaning we would have held an EXTRA (On top of what everyone else purchased) 167 days... How much do you think GSs would be now? If we had even 150mil unit of them on sale in Jita? Same goes for every single NPC turned PI Item under the sun. Even if we spent 10B per that's a lot of extra inventory. And I can tell you now we'd be killing the margins to get it sold first. Just like everyone else. In fact I just looked at the Forge Market... Guess what.. There was only 150mil units purchased between when Tranny started and PI was patched... So if EBANK spent 70B on GS's we'd have as much as EVERY OTHER PERSON WHO SPECULATED ON IT... That's not good, and it certainly is not a good market position. While you make half valid points, the point is extremely heavy with no consideration to the effect a massive inventory purchase would have. I doubt anyone one entity or person spent 50B on NPC items before the patch.. I spoke to a lot of marketing people with a lot more experience since the patch and almost all of them only gambled several billion and none of them considered gambling more then 10b. So regurgitating the Damnation BPO over and over is 20/20 hindsight my friend because no one worth a grain of salt dumped multiple tens of billions in PI Speculation. Droning on about it isn't going to change that fact... Sure now everyone wishes they had spent MORE! I wish I had liquidated every BPO and asset I owned to dumped it all into Enriched Uranium! But the problem still remains, if we all did that we'd ALL be sitting on a massive inventory which would drive the price down. Something I'm sure you understand, if you don't then I'm done here. Amarr for Life
Maria Yumeno	Posted - 2010.07.06 17:15:00 - [146] Seeing as all this was predicted by the god of M&D i would say that PI was/is far from being a gamble. Here The BOD has a lot to learn...
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.07.06 17:29:00 - [147] Originally by: Maria Yumeno The BOD has a lot to learn... /me hangs his head in shame... Follow My EBANK Chatter
cosmoray Bella Vista Holdings Corp	Posted - 2010.07.06 17:45:00 - [148] Originally by: Maria Yumeno Seeing as all this was predicted by the god of M&D i would say that PI was/is far from being a gamble. Here The BOD has a lot to learn... We really have reached a new place when people are getting slammed for NOT joining the great market speculations. I bet you missed these too: Tulips Enron Worldcom Global Crossing Yes people may have purchased millions of guidance systems, and at present they are very high, but at some point the stockpiles have to be sold. The one thing I can guarantee is if people have purchased 1T ISK of guidance systems they won't be worth 1T ISK, and CCP will be wetting themselves with laughter for removing such an enormous pile of ISK from the game.
Grozen Caldari Titan Core New Eden Research.	Posted - 2010.07.06 18:08:00 - [149] Edited by: Grozen on 06/07/2010 18:08:28 why would ccp remove something that's clearly not an exploit they even encouraged ppl to stockpile goods to avoid market turmoil. knowledge is power
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.07.06 18:15:00 - [150] Originally by: cosmoray The one thing I can guarantee is if people have purchased 1T ISK of guidance systems they won't be worth 1T ISK, and CCP will be wetting themselves with laughter for removing such an enormous pile of ISK from the game. i see you're not one of the people who understands how this game works but how's this if in a year guidance systems are under 418 isk/unit without some ccp intervention I never post again and if they're above you never post again

Vilgan Mazran Aperture Harmonics K162	Posted - 2010.07.06 18:39:00 - [151] Originally by: SencneS I wish I had liquidated every BPO and asset I owned to dumped it all into Enriched Uranium! Had a long reply written to your post, but this statement is just too crazy to ignore. You wish you would have put everything into enriched uranium? HUH?!? 20/20 hindsight and you'd pick EU as the thing to invest in? Wow.......
Grozen Caldari Titan Core New Eden Research.	Posted - 2010.07.06 18:58:00 - [152] eu is one of the goods doing the worst atm. also if rare supplies are not worth anything what are dust mercs going to fight for? I'm pretty sure the fights are going to be for the good planets that provide the milk therefore the npc goods are not going to get cheaper they will be 100times more expensive when Dust hits because many ppl will lose their colonies. knowledge is power
SencneS Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2010.07.06 19:39:00 - [153] Originally by: Vilgan Mazran Originally by: SencneS I wish I had liquidated every BPO and asset I owned to dumped it all into Enriched Uranium! Had a long reply written to your post, but this statement is just too crazy to ignore. You wish you would have put everything into enriched uranium? HUH?!? 20/20 hindsight and you'd pick EU as the thing to invest in? Wow....... Yeah... because making 10K-15K a unit 2 days after NPC stop order is better then making.. What was it per unit for Guidance systems.. Oh yeah... 2-5K.. So it might not be making the biggest MARGIN but it had two things going for it. 1) 10K a unit profit. 2) Low number of units to turn that profit, makes the investment less risky as you don't have to move as much. Remember here you're talking about dumping 70B into Speculation.. Lets way up the difference here.. 70B of Guidence Systems vs 70B of EU.. You have 167MIL units of GS You get 32Mil units of EU Lets assume we stay on top of the market and keep the lowest order per day in Forge. I'll do quick eye check. Well only 40Mil units of GS's have sold About 20mil units of EU has sold Lets look at the LOWEST price per day. By the look of it EU's average lowest price is... 15K a unit, and I'm being conservative. GS is Hell I'll shoot high here and say 5K, screw conservatism I'm trying to prove Vilgan RIGHT! Hmmm lets see, lets see.. 20mil * 15K = 300,000,000,000 40mil * 5K = 200,000,000,000 Yes... clearly GS was the better buy consider we'd only have ANOTHER 127mil units left to sell so even if the market crashed we've already way way recovered our stock and can move onto something else without too much effort.. After all, the pewny EU we'd only need to move 12mil units for another low 120B and be done with it.. You know for someone who is pushing for liquidation you're declaring it's better to do this... WOW is indeed the word I would choose for your recommendation. If you can't grasp that concept then.... ugh.. never mind. Amarr for Life
Vilgan Mazran Aperture Harmonics K162	Posted - 2010.07.06 20:38:00 - [154] so with perfect 20/20 hindsight, you would have put 70B into EU over 70B into any other PI mat?
SencneS Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2010.07.06 20:40:00 - [155] Edited by: SencneS on 06/07/2010 20:40:03 Originally by: Vilgan Mazran so with perfect 20/20 hindsight, you would have put 70B into EU over 70B into any other PI mat? No, that's just stupidity.. Amarr for Life
Maria Yumeno	Posted - 2010.07.07 00:14:00 - [156] Originally by: cosmoray Originally by: Maria Yumeno Seeing as all this was predicted by the god of M&D i would say that PI was/is far from being a gamble. Here The BOD has a lot to learn... We really have reached a new place when people are getting slammed for NOT joining the great market speculations. I bet you missed these too: Tulips Enron Worldcom Global Crossing Yes people may have purchased millions of guidance systems, and at present they are very high, but at some point the stockpiles have to be sold. The one thing I can guarantee is if people have purchased 1T ISK of guidance systems they won't be worth 1T ISK, and CCP will be wetting themselves with laughter for removing such an enormous pile of ISK from the game. I've read a lot of your posts Cosmo and have great respect for you as you are very successful on the market, i'm not meaning to have a go at you as such but comparisons between Eve and real life kinda suck. The eve market is vastly different from any real life market. Most people know that the biggest opportunities for profit come around patch time. I don't think anyone blames the BOD for not liquidating all their isk and investing 100% into NPC goods, however say 10-20% would have been a safe bet. Most players i know liquidated parts of their capital in order to invest some in PI. It has nothing to do with hindsight and everything to do with foresight. Oh, and it's quite easy to do research to see how big (roughly) the stockpiles really are. All you need to do is check the market history for each region, you can also see what the daily usage is pre-stockpiling. This would have told you that prices were going to go up, as we also knew how easy the NPC goods were to manufacture. I can understand your position of not speculating, but completely dismissing it without doing the slightest bit of research into what would happen? I mean, c'mon!
SencneS Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2010.07.07 01:48:00 - [157] Originally by: Maria Yumeno I don't think anyone blames the BOD for not liquidating all their isk and investing 100% into NPC goods, however say 10-20% would have been a safe bet. I devoted about 60% of my part of EBANK's funds to PI Speculation. Like I've said plenty of times before, it wasn't that we DIDN'T do it.. We just couldn't do it on a large scale.. Amarr for Life
Grozen Caldari Titan Core New Eden Research.	Posted - 2010.07.07 01:53:00 - [158] You missed out then with the prices atm ebank could have recovered least half of what your ex-director stole.I have to say i'm very displeased with ebank bod atm. You had a great chance and now its all too late, don't blame people for not believing that you could recover if you continue like this. knowledge is power
SencneS Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2010.07.07 04:43:00 - [159] Originally by: Grozen You missed out then with the prices atm ebank could have recovered least half of what your ex-director stole.I have to say i'm very displeased with ebank bod atm. You had a great chance and now its all too late, don't blame people for not believing that you could recover if you continue like this. Who said we're not doing it right now? There are countless things below value, these over exaggerated Guidance Systems is not the only thing worth throwing ISK at, at the moment. Amarr for Life
Mme Pinkerton United Engineering Services	Posted - 2010.07.07 06:02:00 - [160] This thread has been running in circles since post #3 and everything important had been said after post #12. Now we are at page 6... Do people really care about "their" ISK in EBANK? Do they think that being better than EBANK at handling ISK is something to be proud of? Do they think this discussion will have any effect on EBANK's investment policies? Do they just enjoy the warm glow when flaming SencneS? questions upon questions... come on, get this thread locked already - it's cluttering up my MD

RAW23	Posted - 2010.07.07 13:28:00 - [161] Originally by: Mme Pinkerton flaming SencneS Flaming AC
SencneS Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2010.07.07 14:33:00 - [162] Originally by: RAW23 Originally by: Mme Pinkerton flaming SencneS Flaming AC Those are some AWESOME works. I really like mine.. I would SO like that to be a costume when WIS is ever turned on.. Amarr for Life
Loney CyberDyne R-D	Posted - 2010.07.19 13:03:00 - [163] Thought it was not "guaranteed" as you may think... it was speculation! However, I do agree with you all the numbers and cuculations were in a HIGH favor of making ISK with investing in any NPC POS fuel items. Sencnes is right though he could have no way invested 100b ISK, it would not be the responsible thing to do as the E-BANK CEO. However investion some random and sizeable number say 20b (As I did) could have easily made him 50b. Doing something like this would have stoped this post after reply #3 and he said Yes, make 30b profit for the ebank investors, instead of just saying it was a stupid idea. Well i dont really care but felt it necessary to contirbute to this tread after reading and wasting my time! Enjoy .. Check out our Website in game or out!
Vilgan Mazran Aperture Harmonics K162	Posted - 2010.08.10 19:48:00 - [164] Edited by: Vilgan Mazran on 10/08/2010 19:51:08 One kind of interesting thing I noticed recently. After the staunch defense of their lack of PI investment strategy, I have on several occasions noticed Ray buying up decent amounts of PI. The latest was an order he had up for 3 mil construction blocks at 3105, which appeared to be a legit buy since I filled 1.1 of it without popping the order. Personal investment? Or new ebank strategy? Kind of strange timing tho as most PI is sitting about 15% above what it was 2 weeks ago when a bunch of people panic sold.
SencneS Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2010.08.10 21:41:00 - [165] Sometimes I enjoy jumping in the DeLorean as well, but as a skim over this decrepit page I see this only a few posts back... Originally by: SencneS Who said we're not doing it right now? I'll leave you and this corpse with a quote.. "The fuel of trade in EVE, is not the buying and selling; but the illusion that the product is more valuable then what it really is." -SencneS Amarr for Life
RaWBLooD	Posted - 2010.08.10 23:19:00 - [166] Originally by: SencneS Sometimes I enjoy jumping in the DeLorean as well, but as a skim over this decrepit page I see this only a few posts back... Originally by: SencneS Who said we're not doing it right now? I'll leave you and this corpse with a quote.. "The fuel of trade in EVE, is not the buying and selling; but the illusion that the product is more valuable then what it really is." -SencneS So in eve and in real life, being honest is good. Being quiet or misleading is best. miners-you can: switch, rob, wardec, nerf, scam them, buy below market, pirate them on their way to sell. mining < trading, ratting, manufacturing from market bought minerals,they still wont go away


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