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Sorceror Majiir School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0	Posted - 2012.07.17 22:16:00 - [1] - Quote Low Sec pilots with valuable cargo's be warned. Pirate Corps and alliances are using an age old exploit to great affect and getting away with it daily. The ole drop secure cans at a gate to cause a ship bounce off the gate is effective and you can expect little reimbursement from CCP unless you have a filed exploit ticket that they actually look at and respond too while the cans are at the gate. Good luck with that I suspect until this exploit is fixed, low sec safe transport of anything remotely valuable is now impossible EVEN in a shuttle oh yeah that includes your implants.. no reimbursement there either. While gate gun camping is a common tactic, this development takes away one of the few remaining ways pilots can get to a gate to jump, it reminds me of the heady days of the 15km gate warp, where players had to make insta bm's on the gate to avoid disaster. Well kiss those warp 0 jumps good bye, now any cheap ass pilot with a handful of small secure containers can effectively dump all this crap at a gate and gank away. All they need to do is be sure they pick the cans up before CCP gets around to looking at the gate, which can take days if you don't file a 'proper' ticket in the correct folder. Oh yeah forget about using screen shots to show this astonishing abuse, CCP doesn't take player submitted screens. Current systems where this tactic is being used is Yaherer, probably others though this is the only one I know of atm. - Majiir
Eugene Kerner TunDraGon 76	Posted - 2012.07.17 22:21:00 - [2] - Quote no. the cans drop from the industrials that are killed by the pirates...sometimes 4-5 at a time.
Sorceror Majiir School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0	Posted - 2012.07.17 22:24:00 - [3] - Quote not likely. The cans are placed in a spherical pattern around the gate. I took several screens.
Lost Greybeard Fenrir's Dogs of War Union 0f Revolution 122	Posted - 2012.07.17 22:35:00 - [4] - Quote Possibly CCP figures that if you're dumb enough to warp straight from gate to gate (the path that bubbles and cans are usually placed on) you pretty much deserve to die anyhow? BTW, pretty sure that strategic cans are not an exploit, only dropping enough crap that it could potentially lag out or completely block a ship is an exploit. Last time I saw an official ruling on this using 4 or 5 cans was fine.
Sorceror Majiir School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0	Posted - 2012.07.17 22:44:00 - [5] - Quote yup I'm sure 4 or 5 cans is not an issue. This is not 4-5 cans, and they are not dropped by pilots blown up because they all have the id of the gankers on them. From the screenshot its over 60 cans, small secure containers, positioned around the gate at about 5km intervals.
Reppyk The Black Shell 140	Posted - 2012.07.17 23:52:00 - [6] - Quote Sorceror Majiir wrote: I suspect until this exploit is fixed, low secsafe transport of anything remotely valuable is now impossible I bold the important parts. Now, can you use your brain for a second and think a bit ? THIS IS LOW SEC IT'S NOT SECURE The second is over. Back to the tears !
Barakkus 1662	Posted - 2012.07.17 23:56:00 - [7] - Quote o hai thar http://youtu.be/yytbDZrw1jc
Lady Spank Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED 2355	Posted - 2012.07.17 23:56:00 - [8] - Quote Sorceror Majiir wrote: not likely. The cans are placed in a spherical pattern around the gate. I took several screens. Screens please, and post on your main unless you want to be considered a joke/troll. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â)
Lady Spank Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED 2355	Posted - 2012.07.17 23:58:00 - [9] - Quote ...also (if by some miracle you are being serious about screens) that sphere is just naturally occurring due to the game mechanics of warping to gate. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â)
Sorceror Majiir School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0	Posted - 2012.07.18 02:22:00 - [10] - Quote http://youtu.be/930o5x_J6OQ first vid post on tube so heh if it sucks.. too bad
Surfin's PlunderBunny Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 1675	Posted - 2012.07.18 03:05:00 - [11] - Quote Did you take that pic with a potato? Looked kinda like an outline of a mining op
SB Rico the united Negative Ten. 7	Posted - 2012.07.18 06:37:00 - [12] - Quote Technical point but iirc cans around a gate to decloak was not the reason CCP considered this an exploit. It was an offense, yes, but for deliberately creating lag, not because whiny cloakies felt they should have immunity from death.
Nebu Retski Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire 16	Posted - 2012.07.18 07:09:00 - [13] - Quote Sorceror Majiir wrote: http://youtu.be/930o5x_J6OQ first vid post on tube so heh if it sucks.. too bad Look and learn kids, this is NOT how you are supposed to post a picture on the internet.
Kaeda Maxwell Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo 164	Posted - 2012.07.18 07:10:00 - [14] - Quote Fankly it's very rare, I say that as a (non-camping) pirate living in lowsec but also a lowsec based industrialist, I have to date never lost a viator or occator to a camp. Pro tip; Avoid hi-sec to low-sec gates that the 'set destination' functionality sends you by like the plague. Just have look at Dotlan and see if there's another way 'in'. There almost always is and most hi-sec to low-sec gates that aren't on the ap/set destination routes are rarely if ever camped.
Pipa Porto School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 439	Posted - 2012.07.18 07:23:00 - [15] - Quote Sorceror Majiir wrote: yup I'm sure 4 or 5 cans is not an issue. This is not 4-5 cans, and they are not dropped by pilots blown up because they all have the id of the gankers on them. From the screenshot its over 60 cans, small secure containers, positioned around the gate at about 5km intervals. It's only an exploit if it's enough spacejunk to lag someone out when they're loading grid. That requires a lot more than 60 cans. (I've seen a gate bubbled with something over 100 bubbles without lagging me out) If the cans are there to bump or decloak, and they're not enough to lag people out, they're fine. -RubyPorto EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
Beachura Helghan Empiral Armada Apocalypse Now. 4	Posted - 2012.07.18 09:23:00 - [16] - Quote Reppyk wrote: Sorceror Majiir wrote: I suspect until this exploit is fixed, low secsafe transport of anything remotely valuable is now impossible I bold the important parts. Now, can you use your brain for a second and think a bit ? THIS IS LOW SEC IT'S NOT SECURE The second is over. Back to the tears ! You seem like one of these individuals who doesn't utilize his thinking brain very well. The issue here is whether this is an exploit. It does not for a second matter whether the space is null security, low security or high security. POS bowling was still an exploit, even though it was conducted in 0.0. The space has absolutely no relation to whether something is an exploit or not.
Astroniomix Thorn Project Black Thorne Alliance 82	Posted - 2012.07.18 09:27:00 - [17] - Quote Beachura wrote: Reppyk wrote: Sorceror Majiir wrote: I suspect until this exploit is fixed, low secsafe transport of anything remotely valuable is now impossible I bold the important parts. Now, can you use your brain for a second and think a bit ? THIS IS LOW SEC IT'S NOT SECURE The second is over. Back to the tears ! You seem like one of these individuals who doesn't utilize his thinking brain very well. The issue here is whether this is an exploit. It does not for a second matter whether the space is null security, low security or high security. POS bowling was still an exploit, even though it was conducted in 0.0. The space has absolutely no relation to whether something is an exploit or not. The gate in question looks exactly like what happens when you blow up a bunch of industrials around a gate. Also unless you are pants on head ******** the cans aren't going to bump you off the gate.
Ra Jackson PILSGESCHWADER Monkey Circus 18	Posted - 2012.07.18 10:47:00 - [18] - Quote Astroniomix wrote: Beachura wrote: Reppyk wrote: Sorceror Majiir wrote: I suspect until this exploit is fixed, low secsafe transport of anything remotely valuable is now impossible I bold the important parts. Now, can you use your brain for a second and think a bit ? THIS IS LOW SEC IT'S NOT SECURE The second is over. Back to the tears ! You seem like one of these individuals who doesn't utilize his thinking brain very well. The issue here is whether this is an exploit. It does not for a second matter whether the space is null security, low security or high security. POS bowling was still an exploit, even though it was conducted in 0.0. The space has absolutely no relation to whether something is an exploit or not. The gate in question looks exactly like what happens when you blow up a bunch of industrials around a gate. Also unless you are pants on head ******** the cans aren't going to bump you off the gate. Exploded industrials rarely anchor containers. However, yes, I wonder how those would bump you off the gate. Sorry for any inconvenience. We are experimenting with such stuff from time to time, but Yahy should be pretty empty right now since we are on vacation in Venal, so feel free to try again.
Eugene Kerner TunDraGon 76	Posted - 2012.07.18 11:51:00 - [19] - Quote http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14033147 Look at this guy...he had 16(!) Containers in his Cargo. In this case only 5 dropped but it could have been 16 with just one kill. After the ship is killed the containers "float" stationary in space in a distance of up to 3 k around the wreck. Sorry for posting a km but it serves the greater good.
FloppieTheBanjoClown New Eden Asteroid Preservation Society 1949	Posted - 2012.07.18 13:59:00 - [20] - Quote Sorceror Majiir wrote: http://youtu.be/930o5x_J6OQ first vid post on tube so heh if it sucks.. too bad So you have three almost-identical pictures you want to share, and your first thought was to make a low-resolution video of them and post it to YouTube? You have GOT to be trolling. Please be trolling. Because if you're not trolling, I weep for all the generations of human beings who toiled and suffered to pass on the genes which resulted in you. In other words, that was a really bad way to show us screen shots. The Skunkworks is recruiting. -áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1540711#post1540711
Sorceror Majiir School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0	Posted - 2012.07.18 15:49:00 - [21] - Quote Floppie do us all a favor and take that ridiculous bottle out of your eye. You look stupid. For the community, I'm just telling you what happened, this technique will cause you to bounce off the gate, regardless of the direction you approach it from. Also, last I heard this was an exploit, however, CCP's stand is that it is a function of how many cans there are.. go figure. I figure an enterprising and organized group could lay this pattern (and remove it) in under 3 minutes. Hence my statement that this exploit is unenforceable by CCP. I wrote this post as a warning, so now your warned.
jimmyjam Deadspace Exploration Conglomerate Clockwork Pineapple 50	Posted - 2012.07.18 15:56:00 - [22] - Quote They enforce it i remember camping in tama and killing loads of pods and my corp at the time ditching loads of cans some with cap boosters and other bits, then a polaris frig shows and clears all of the corpses and the cans as dudes were saying we were creating lag so it does happend sometimes.
Griznatch Xicron Syndicate Tus Network 152	Posted - 2012.07.18 15:56:00 - [23] - Quote Sorceror Majiir wrote: Floppie do us all a favor and take that ridiculous bottle out of your eye. You look stupid. For the community, I'm just telling you what happened, this technique will cause you to bounce off the gate, regardless of the direction you approach it from. Also, last I heard this was an exploit, however, CCP's stand is that it is a function of how many cans there are.. go figure. I figure an enterprising and organized group could lay this pattern (and remove it) in under 3 minutes. Hence my statement that this exploit is unenforceable by CCP. I wrote this post as a warning, so now your warned. my warned what? I used to have a clever sig but I lost it.
Astroniomix Thorn Project Black Thorne Alliance 82	Posted - 2012.07.18 16:11:00 - [24] - Quote Sorceror Majiir wrote: Floppie do us all a favor and take that ridiculous bottle out of your eye. You look stupid. For the community, I'm just telling you what happened, this technique will cause you to bounce off the gate, regardless of the direction you approach it from. Also, last I heard this was an exploit, however, CCP's stand is that it is a function of how many cans there are.. go figure. I figure an enterprising and organized group could lay this pattern (and remove it) in under 3 minutes. Hence my statement that this exploit is unenforceable by CCP. I wrote this post as a warning, so now your warned. Cept that you can't anchor cans right next to a gate.
Sorceror Majiir School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0	Posted - 2012.07.18 16:12:00 - [25] - Quote jimmyjam - I think the lag issue might be a product of the pattern itself. As a guess, I wonder if it's the code having to calculate where to place the incoming ship that causes the lag problem. It doesn't seem reasonable that cans/corpses in a system automatically cause lag.
Sorceror Majiir School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0	Posted - 2012.07.18 16:15:00 - [26] - Quote Astroniomix - Yeah, the cans are not anchored. Don't have to be, who would pick them up if your getting shot at?
Plaude Pollard Crimson Cartel 56	Posted - 2012.07.18 16:32:00 - [27] - Quote Sorceror Majiir wrote: I suspect until this exploit is fixed, low sec safe transport of anything remotely valuable is now impossible Have you even considered having an alt for scouting ahead of you? Everyone with a brain who lives in Low-sec/Null-sec uses scouts. Besides, it's easy, painless and worth the time it takes to manage two accounts.
Sorceror Majiir School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0	Posted - 2012.07.18 17:12:00 - [28] - Quote Plaude - yup, been there, done that and I guess you missed the point of the post.
Pipa Porto School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 444	Posted - 2012.07.18 17:39:00 - [29] - Quote Sorceror Majiir wrote: jimmyjam - I think the lag issue might be a product of the pattern itself. As a guess, I wonder if it's the code having to calculate where to place the incoming ship that causes the lag problem. It doesn't seem reasonable that cans/corpses in a system automatically cause lag. Did the cans lag you out, or did the cans bump you? Because you can petition one of those situations, not the other, and your OP said they bumped you, not lagged you out. (And I can see no reason why the pattern would be the cause of lag instead of the number of items) By the way, it's not causing "Lag" that's the issue, it's Lagging your client out when it tries to load grid that's illicit. -RubyPorto EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
Mag's the united Negative Ten. 8216	Posted - 2012.07.18 21:36:00 - [30] - Quote The whole cans/drones thing around gates, was about lag. (As Pipa Porto said.) That's why it was classed as an exploit. So far I'm not seeing lag as an issue here, just very poor photo/video skills. CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience.

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