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Ulfar
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Posted - 2004.12.14 10:21:00 -
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Two words : Buyer Beware.
It takes two people for the scam to be successful the scammer and the dupe. I have never been scammed because I am careful, especially with the way some of the UI works.
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Ulfar
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Posted - 2004.12.14 10:21:00 -
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Two words : Buyer Beware.
It takes two people for the scam to be successful the scammer and the dupe. I have never been scammed because I am careful, especially with the way some of the UI works.
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Ryctor
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Posted - 2004.12.14 10:28:00 -
[63]
 Originally by: Sergeant Spot
Remember folks:
Scammers and other such scum should be ACTIVELY screwed with for the crime of existing.
Even if a scammer has never harmed you in any way, and has no intent of harming you, it is morally acceptable to screw him over. He is a scammer, he deserves it. He has justified anything you do to him by his choice to be scammer.
Christ spot you have to have alot of sand in the panties to be that ****ed off. Sounds to me like you got careless and burned. Dont take your anger out on the forums kiddo, why not kick your dog a bit.
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Ryctor
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Posted - 2004.12.14 10:28:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Sergeant Spot
Remember folks:
Scammers and other such scum should be ACTIVELY screwed with for the crime of existing.
Even if a scammer has never harmed you in any way, and has no intent of harming you, it is morally acceptable to screw him over. He is a scammer, he deserves it. He has justified anything you do to him by his choice to be scammer.
Christ spot you have to have alot of sand in the panties to be that ****ed off. Sounds to me like you got careless and burned. Dont take your anger out on the forums kiddo, why not kick your dog a bit.
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Ebedar
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Posted - 2004.12.14 10:32:00 -
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Interesting article, though I'm surprised CCP haven't made it illegal to scam when selling characters for ISK.
That type of scam does seem to blur the boundary between in-game/in-character and OOG/OOC scamming.
My life in pictures:
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Ebedar
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Posted - 2004.12.14 10:32:00 -
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Interesting article, though I'm surprised CCP haven't made it illegal to scam when selling characters for ISK.
That type of scam does seem to blur the boundary between in-game/in-character and OOG/OOC scamming.
My life in pictures:
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0seeker0
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Posted - 2004.12.14 14:53:00 -
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Widescreen is also applying to be a member if xetic, seems you guys have found a new club.
San.
Character "Widescreen" is a scammer; beware.
Check my bio for a list of known scammers.
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0seeker0
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Posted - 2004.12.14 14:53:00 -
[68]
Widescreen is also applying to be a member if xetic, seems you guys have found a new club.
San.
Character "Widescreen" is a scammer; beware.
Check my bio for a list of known scammers.
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0seeker0
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Posted - 2004.12.14 15:05:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Vegeta
It should be clear that I will follow whatever rules of whichever corporation/alliance I belong to, it is only right. It's not like I'm some type of immoral bastard who will screw anybody over just like that. I have friends within Eve whom I've known since day-1, friends where trust goes both ways.
/me scratches beard over "it should be clear"
And yes, the good thing about scammers sergeant, same as with pirates, is it gives you somebody to kill and feel good about killing, all rolled into one.
except i should think scammers are easier to kill.
Im gonna set all scammers to -10 standing, just incase i see one out in the sticks.
Character "Widescreen" is a scammer; beware.
Check my bio for a list of known scammers.
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0seeker0
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Posted - 2004.12.14 15:05:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Vegeta
It should be clear that I will follow whatever rules of whichever corporation/alliance I belong to, it is only right. It's not like I'm some type of immoral bastard who will screw anybody over just like that. I have friends within Eve whom I've known since day-1, friends where trust goes both ways.
/me scratches beard over "it should be clear"
And yes, the good thing about scammers sergeant, same as with pirates, is it gives you somebody to kill and feel good about killing, all rolled into one.
except i should think scammers are easier to kill.
Im gonna set all scammers to -10 standing, just incase i see one out in the sticks.
Character "Widescreen" is a scammer; beware.
Check my bio for a list of known scammers.
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2004.12.14 15:15:00 -
[71]
Xetic Federation does not check history of all it's members, because that'd be extremely difficult. We value honesty, and honesty also include an honest will to change ways.
The important thing is to adhere to our rules and remain loyal to the alliance after having joined.
My personal oppinion is that in order to truely change ones ways, one must be willing to admit one did wrong. Vegatas post was one telling the world not only how to scam, but more so how to be aware of scammers. That is nothing dishonest.
Originally by: 0seeker0
Widescreen is also applying to be a member if xetic, seems you guys have found a new club.
San.
Thank you for the information about Widescreen. Xetic's CEOs, and CEOs in all of EVE, benefit greatly from awareness of scammers.
One of the easier ways to hide as a scammer is to seek the company of individuals with good reputation and high morals. Sadly, ones exposed the same company the scammer kept will be dirtied by his deeds.
Hopefully there are few good scammers in EVE, however, as a good scammer will not be caught nor suspected.
CCP allow scamming and corp theft due to the game being of the nature it is. It is corporate espionage and sabotage. It is a dishonest way of waging war, but viable.
Sadly the system does not protect individuals, nor does it limit griefing of the "innocent".
P.S. This is not to be seen as a defence of the act of scamming someone. This is also a post heavily ladened with personal oppinions. |
Ithildin
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Posted - 2004.12.14 15:15:00 -
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Xetic Federation does not check history of all it's members, because that'd be extremely difficult. We value honesty, and honesty also include an honest will to change ways.
The important thing is to adhere to our rules and remain loyal to the alliance after having joined.
My personal oppinion is that in order to truely change ones ways, one must be willing to admit one did wrong. Vegatas post was one telling the world not only how to scam, but more so how to be aware of scammers. That is nothing dishonest.
Originally by: 0seeker0
Widescreen is also applying to be a member if xetic, seems you guys have found a new club.
San.
Thank you for the information about Widescreen. Xetic's CEOs, and CEOs in all of EVE, benefit greatly from awareness of scammers.
One of the easier ways to hide as a scammer is to seek the company of individuals with good reputation and high morals. Sadly, ones exposed the same company the scammer kept will be dirtied by his deeds.
Hopefully there are few good scammers in EVE, however, as a good scammer will not be caught nor suspected.
CCP allow scamming and corp theft due to the game being of the nature it is. It is corporate espionage and sabotage. It is a dishonest way of waging war, but viable.
Sadly the system does not protect individuals, nor does it limit griefing of the "innocent".
P.S. This is not to be seen as a defence of the act of scamming someone. This is also a post heavily ladened with personal oppinions. |
Vex Seraphim
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Posted - 2004.12.14 15:37:00 -
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Awesome read mate.
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:: finite horizon :: killboard ::
:: bio :: blog ::
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Vex Seraphim
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Posted - 2004.12.14 15:37:00 -
[74]
Awesome read mate.
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:: finite horizon :: killboard ::
:: bio :: blog ::
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Rangar
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Posted - 2004.12.14 15:55:00 -
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Scamming is the lowest "profession" you can have in an Online Game. It only works because of the anonymity you have in the community and is therefore nothing that a game producer like CCP should tolerate. It ruins the game experience of the scammed person and I am sure, that a lot of the victims have left the game after such an experience.
For me I can say, if I would know a person in Real Life, that I know to be a scammer in an online game, I would not trust this person in any way. It needs a special way of thinking to be a scammer and a person with such an misfeature will have it in Real Life too.
Greetings
Rangar
P.S.: English is not my first language.
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Rangar
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Posted - 2004.12.14 15:55:00 -
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Scamming is the lowest "profession" you can have in an Online Game. It only works because of the anonymity you have in the community and is therefore nothing that a game producer like CCP should tolerate. It ruins the game experience of the scammed person and I am sure, that a lot of the victims have left the game after such an experience.
For me I can say, if I would know a person in Real Life, that I know to be a scammer in an online game, I would not trust this person in any way. It needs a special way of thinking to be a scammer and a person with such an misfeature will have it in Real Life too.
Greetings
Rangar
P.S.: English is not my first language.
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0seeker0
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Posted - 2004.12.14 16:04:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Ithildin
My personal oppinion is that in order to truely change ones ways, one must be willing to admit one did wrong. Vegatas post was one telling the world not only how to scam, but more so how to be aware of scammers. That is nothing dishonest.
he didnt admit he did wrong.
Originally by: 0seeker0
Widescreen is also applying to be a member if xetic, seems you guys have found a new club.
San.
Thank you for the information about Widescreen. Xetic's CEOs, and CEOs in all of EVE, benefit greatly from awareness of scammers.
One of the easier ways to hide as a scammer is to seek the company of individuals with good reputation and high morals. Sadly, ones exposed the same company the scammer kept will be dirtied by his deeds.
No problem. so i take it he wont be allowed to join?
San.
Character "Widescreen" is a scammer; beware.
Check my bio for a list of known scammers.
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0seeker0
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Posted - 2004.12.14 16:04:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Ithildin
My personal oppinion is that in order to truely change ones ways, one must be willing to admit one did wrong. Vegatas post was one telling the world not only how to scam, but more so how to be aware of scammers. That is nothing dishonest.
he didnt admit he did wrong.
Originally by: 0seeker0
Widescreen is also applying to be a member if xetic, seems you guys have found a new club.
San.
Thank you for the information about Widescreen. Xetic's CEOs, and CEOs in all of EVE, benefit greatly from awareness of scammers.
One of the easier ways to hide as a scammer is to seek the company of individuals with good reputation and high morals. Sadly, ones exposed the same company the scammer kept will be dirtied by his deeds.
No problem. so i take it he wont be allowed to join?
San.
Character "Widescreen" is a scammer; beware.
Check my bio for a list of known scammers.
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Lufio II
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Posted - 2004.12.14 16:15:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Rangar
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It only works because of the anonymity you have in the community
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I think that's plain wrong. Scamming only works because of the lack of attention of the one beeing scammed. Either that or the scam has been set up very good.
Successful scams also bases on a degree of greed on both sides. The Scammer greeds for money, while the one scammed can't wait to get that item/slot/whatever.
It's common knowledge that many people sell lab slots they don't own. It's also common knowledge that many people don't have the patience to wait for one freeing up or to get to know the seller or ask for proper collaterals. Taking a look on those Scammerlist mentioned here shows that pretty clear if you read the description and chat logs. Each and every of those scams would've failed if the people beeing scammed would've had a little bit of patience, which I honestly admit is limited.
[sarcasm]And in a twisted point of view one could claim any producer/Trader as a scammer as they most likely are making profit of others and not selling the items to production costs. [/sarcasm]
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Lufio II
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Posted - 2004.12.14 16:15:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Rangar
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It only works because of the anonymity you have in the community
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I think that's plain wrong. Scamming only works because of the lack of attention of the one beeing scammed. Either that or the scam has been set up very good.
Successful scams also bases on a degree of greed on both sides. The Scammer greeds for money, while the one scammed can't wait to get that item/slot/whatever.
It's common knowledge that many people sell lab slots they don't own. It's also common knowledge that many people don't have the patience to wait for one freeing up or to get to know the seller or ask for proper collaterals. Taking a look on those Scammerlist mentioned here shows that pretty clear if you read the description and chat logs. Each and every of those scams would've failed if the people beeing scammed would've had a little bit of patience, which I honestly admit is limited.
[sarcasm]And in a twisted point of view one could claim any producer/Trader as a scammer as they most likely are making profit of others and not selling the items to production costs. [/sarcasm]
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Vampire Blade
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Posted - 2004.12.14 16:26:00 -
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it was a very nice read, i'd like some zeepo input tbh :D
althought scamming is an unsavoury profession, it requires more "real" skill than mining and npcing ever could. it's not an "honourable" profession, but who cares - it's only a game.
being a pirate in game doesn't make me an axe murderer in real life, i think some of you crok suckers should realise this.
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Vampire Blade
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Posted - 2004.12.14 16:26:00 -
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it was a very nice read, i'd like some zeepo input tbh :D
althought scamming is an unsavoury profession, it requires more "real" skill than mining and npcing ever could. it's not an "honourable" profession, but who cares - it's only a game.
being a pirate in game doesn't make me an axe murderer in real life, i think some of you crok suckers should realise this.
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Varia
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Posted - 2004.12.14 17:18:00 -
[83]
Edited by: Varia on 14/12/2004 17:19:05
An interesting post but I look at it as a guide regarding æHow not to be ripped off'
Read it through, commit to memory and learn, use this post to help you avoid scams.
Women that strive to equal men lack ambition. |
Varia
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Posted - 2004.12.14 17:18:00 -
[84]
Edited by: Varia on 14/12/2004 17:19:05
An interesting post but I look at it as a guide regarding æHow not to be ripped off'
Read it through, commit to memory and learn, use this post to help you avoid scams.
Women that strive to equal men lack ambition. |
csebal CEO
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Posted - 2004.12.14 17:33:00 -
[85]
About the article:
Interesting.. thats it. I'm not fond of writings trying to setup scamming as a normal everyday profession.
About the circumstances:
This game is PvP. While non-consentual fighting and scamming are allowed, they are still considered a form of griefing.
Allowed, but not respected or liked. Noone cares how you justify it. CCP doesn't seems to care, and i can live with that, but i don't wanna hear excuses about how 'you are not that bad of a person by scamming or pirating'.
In fact, YOU definitely ARE a BAD PERSON if you scam or pirate. Question is: can you live with that?
From how i see this, you cant... otherwise, you wouldn't care to justify your actions. Too bad for you, maybe one day you'll realize, that no matter how virtual this is, you are screwing up real people, and screwing up real people in the real world is a crime..
The day is close, when there will not be any more anonymous access on the net. When your real face will HAVE TO stand behind your actions. Will you scam then?
I don't think so. Enjoy anonymity, while you can.
Note to CCP: I think this thread should have been locked after the initial post, as its nothing but flames in a room full of oil cans.
ps.
Quote:
And I'm taking it the scammed ones are the 'retarded kids' and their ISK is the 'ice cream'
So you are basically the 'retarded older kid', who takes the cookie / ice cream of the 'retarded younger kid'. I hope the adults (CCP) put an end to this soon.
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csebal CEO
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Posted - 2004.12.14 17:33:00 -
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About the article:
Interesting.. thats it. I'm not fond of writings trying to setup scamming as a normal everyday profession.
About the circumstances:
This game is PvP. While non-consentual fighting and scamming are allowed, they are still considered a form of griefing.
Allowed, but not respected or liked. Noone cares how you justify it. CCP doesn't seems to care, and i can live with that, but i don't wanna hear excuses about how 'you are not that bad of a person by scamming or pirating'.
In fact, YOU definitely ARE a BAD PERSON if you scam or pirate. Question is: can you live with that?
From how i see this, you cant... otherwise, you wouldn't care to justify your actions. Too bad for you, maybe one day you'll realize, that no matter how virtual this is, you are screwing up real people, and screwing up real people in the real world is a crime..
The day is close, when there will not be any more anonymous access on the net. When your real face will HAVE TO stand behind your actions. Will you scam then?
I don't think so. Enjoy anonymity, while you can.
Note to CCP: I think this thread should have been locked after the initial post, as its nothing but flames in a room full of oil cans.
ps.
Quote:
And I'm taking it the scammed ones are the 'retarded kids' and their ISK is the 'ice cream'
So you are basically the 'retarded older kid', who takes the cookie / ice cream of the 'retarded younger kid'. I hope the adults (CCP) put an end to this soon.
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Karlaxian
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Posted - 2004.12.14 17:57:00 -
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It's really sad to see a guide like this posted =(
Pirates are a part of the game, they may be hated but they have their place.
Scammers are just.. low.
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Karlaxian
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Posted - 2004.12.14 17:57:00 -
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It's really sad to see a guide like this posted =(
Pirates are a part of the game, they may be hated but they have their place.
Scammers are just.. low.
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0seeker0
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Posted - 2004.12.14 17:59:00 -
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it come down to; lying isnt fun on either end.
San.
Character "Widescreen" is a scammer; beware.
Check my bio for a list of known scammers.
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0seeker0
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Posted - 2004.12.14 17:59:00 -
[90]
it come down to; lying isnt fun on either end.
San.
Character "Widescreen" is a scammer; beware.
Check my bio for a list of known scammers.
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