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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2010.06.20 18:58:00 -
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The recent changes of one logistic only and a limit to similar ships did wonders for the entertainment value of the fights, but the fights, especially today, are proving insanely boring as eWar is completely taking over where logistics left off.
Next year:
- Keep ship limits as is (max. 3 of a type, 1 logistics).
- Introduce: maximum of 2 ECM ships.
- Introduce: maximum of one ewar module of each type per hull on team (no more of the 20 damps on armour drakes!!)
- Tweak points to allow for more faction cruisers to compensate for above.
- Fights determined on result not past results. If a FC has the foresight to leave a Legion vs. a Loki the fact that the Loki team beat inferior teams earlier should not forfeit a match (Grrr, 2nd lamest one yet!).
In short: Bring back old school Tank'n'Spank with FC/Pilot skills as deciding factors and not giving victory to whomever is willing to bore the enemy and the audience to death.
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Deva Blackfire
Shut Up And Play
WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.06.20 19:00:00 -
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♥ you too :)
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Colonel Evans
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Posted - 2010.06.20 19:06:00 -
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 Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
(no more of the 20 damps on armour drakes!!)
Why? This is what we (well, I) like to see, its innovative and effective in the scenario it was used in. Things like this make the tournament interesting. Not many faction cruisers (if any) have been fielded so far iirc. There have only been 2-3 instances of the mega-tanked or run-away situations in VIII, and it's been pretty fascinating to watch.
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Widemouth Deepthroat
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Posted - 2010.06.20 19:11:00 -
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Only thing I want to see is no logistics drones except fielded by logistics ship.
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Morvyn
Destry's Lounge
Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2010.06.20 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
- Introduce: maximum of 2 ECM ships.
No.
Falcons, Scorpions and Widows already suck and aren't really used at all. Rooks are not necessarily dedicated ECM boats; it's certainly feasible to fit just 1-2 jammers on them and then fit a nice shield buffer with Ballistics Controls in the lows and they become a pretty decent heavy missile platform with some ECM thrown in. Kitsunes also don't really need to be limited since it is true that they can jam very effectively, they are also very easy to kill. Kind of how bombers are way less expensive points-wise than battlecruisers not because they do less damage but because they are made of paper mache.
Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
- Introduce: maximum of one ewar module of each type per hull on team (no more of the 20 damps on armour drakes!!)
Terrible idea.
Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
- Tweak points to allow for more faction cruisers to compensate for above.
What? This doesn't even make any sense. Not only do faction cruisers in no way compensate for not being able to fit damps/TD's/etc., this would just make T1 cruisers even LESS feasible which is (imo) a bad thing - I WANT to see more Thoraxes and Ruptures and such.
Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
- Fights determined on result not past results. If a FC has the foresight to leave a Legion vs. a Loki the fact that the Loki team beat inferior teams earlier should not forfeit a match (Grrr, 2nd lamest one yet!).
Tyrrax is awesome, you are mad.
Originally by: SkeDOOSH
They are godless killing machines that put even grizzly bears to shame.
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Markus Reese
Caldari
Estrale Frontiers
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Posted - 2010.06.20 19:21:00 -
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Originally by: Widemouth Deepthroat
Only thing I want to see is no logistics drones except fielded by logistics ship.
Nothing wrong with the drones, drones are easy to counter.
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2010.06.20 19:38:00 -
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Originally by: Colonel Evans
Why? This is what we (well, I) like to see, its innovative and effective in the scenario it was used in.
Very effective for sure, but makes for insanely boring matches. Watching 3 missile spammers chew through 1M+ total EHP makes for crappy entertainment.
Originally by: Morvyn
No.
Falcons? Cloaks useless = Falcon useless (comparatively).
The BS jammer ships suffer from lock time restrictions so have limited use in tourny where starting range allows even some frigs to lock so ...
Have you actually enjoyed watching the 5-6 ECM hull fights?
And whats with the 1-2 per ship you mention? With my changes a team that fields 10 ships can use 10 jammers . .that is 5 per Rook
Originally by: Morvyn
Terrible idea.
Why? eWar spam is ruining small-gang warfare on TQ, tournament is small gang warfare - eWar spam ruins tournament. QED.
Originally by: Morvyn
What? This doesn't even make any sense.
Tweak points and/or rules then. Best fights I can remember were the all Rupture/Thorax gank teams from a few years ago.
If fights are to be more FC and piloting ability focused the extra tank/dps of faction cruisers are necessary which is why I added it.
Originally by: Morvyn
Tyrrax is awesome, you are mad.
Don't know him so can't comment. "Madness" is relative to the society in which one dwells so again can't comment.
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Jieter
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Posted - 2010.06.20 19:43:00 -
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Originally by: Morvyn
Tyrrax is awesome, you are mad.
^i approve of this
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