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Eternus8lux8lucis New Eden Regimental Marines Rebel Alliance of New Eden 115	Posted - 2012.07.18 08:41:00 - [1] - Quote Honestly yeah it gets a bit interesting. With 2 toons around the 100mil SP mark and counting its just not worth putting them into situations where they are instantly primaried or killed en masse. Each clone at that point and above is worth the cost of a t2 frig now. In low or high sec warfare theres no concern as you can almost always get your pod out. WHs or Null and its just an added expense and more worth training/buying a low SP toon to go on roams. IVe done a few of the RvB Ganknights as well with my other toons instead of the main ones so killboards look like crap as people will not engage older toons, will follow them around, know them in game or primary them often. To counter this you have to go "dark" and use different unknown toons with younger ages and way less SP. Tbh I think the loss of implants is more than enough. As though cost isnt the main reason its just annoying and I think there are better ways to implement isk sinks than clones. So yeah for some toons it really DOES negate the desire to get into any combat at all. Especially solo stuff as I enjoy that way more than large fleets. I despise monkey pushing fleet comm stuff. Always have and its only gotten worse as Ive aged. Strength isnt measured in numbers but in force of will. For if one motived willful individual stands many will fall around him that are weak. http://tinyurl.com/YarrFace
Eternus8lux8lucis New Eden Regimental Marines Rebel Alliance of New Eden 118	Posted - 2012.07.19 13:04:00 - [2] - Quote Guttripper wrote: Just a quick idea off the top of my head... Broker's Cloning Description: After years of extensive study, (NPC scientific corp here) has discovered the secret behind the elusive and infamous individual known as the Broker with his ability to have numerous copies of himself simultaneous and independent of themselves. Whereas further studies are required to refine this ability, prototype clones have been designed with limited success. One major limitation has been the rapid decay rate of these simulacrums, much less the ability to allow them to be augmented in any fashion. snipped Thanks for reading and hope you enjoyed it. Like this idea a lot. Love the addition of a PI build for these thats wicked and well done imo. I do not like the copy and paste of the skills. Id suggest something more on the lines of you save, randomly, up to the amount of the level you have trained. Level 0 gives you 25mil as a base, though it wont actually work until you have L1 trained, which would net you 50mil sp, L2 75mil, L3 100, L4 125 and L5 150. Then have an advanced level thatll do 50mil sp per level. Thatd pretty much cover everyone currently in Eve. The reason I dont like the copy and paste is its a long winded work around thats annoying as people WILL forget about skills and reqs. But the snapshot of skill training at the time and no active training on that clone is a nice touch, though Id say that the original clone should stay training with its attributes and whatever in place. Ironically this will encourage using these while having a +5 implant set for training sitting in a station somewhere. Issues I have. Using a medical facility or more specifically a clone vat bay where would the original clone stay? You cannot have more than one clone in any station at once, though you can have an active clone and a jump clone there, but storing 2 clones needs work there. In a clone vat bay there is a set number of clones available as well. Do these use up the clone vat bay clone amounts? Also if the ship gets blown up with these clones in them if stored are they destroyed? Just some questions and issues to address. Clone death. If they are destroyed before the 48 hour expiration period and one waits out the timer how long until one can use another clone of this sort again? If its immediate or delayed again by another timer like the current JC timers? Can a person pod themselves so as to get out of a clone early before the 48 hour expiration timer? This imo is one of the easiest ways to abuse the system. If its all immediate and u can use more than one itd be an easy way to go around JC timers for short periods. Not a huge issue but still something to look at. As if they are installed in dif areas of Eve one can simply reship the clones around different areas. What immediate would allow is the ability to reship clones just as one reships for quit and painless PvP. Depending on installation I can see it being used to allow force projection of players to certain areas, friendly stations, clone vat bay equipped ships, who would then reship into available fleet fit ships and go from there on short ops. Again force projection is a real problem and though this would open up more PvP combat in a lot of ways by circumventing the current JC timers theres those issues to look into as well. Strength isnt measured in numbers but in force of will. For if one motived willful individual stands many will fall around him that are weak. http://tinyurl.com/YarrFace
Eternus8lux8lucis New Eden Regimental Marines Rebel Alliance of New Eden 120	Posted - 2012.07.22 15:56:00 - [3] - Quote The reality here for me is that my old high SP clone toons I wont simply screw around with on RvB style suicide go till you pop "fun" ships. I hate sitting in caps and the idea of supers or titans is abhorrent to me. So Ive had to train toons just for the fun stuff. Imo CCP loves that as each account I pay for gives them more money. But is that really the way they want it to be? I simply wont go on fun small ship roams at all with my guys and their killboards reflect that. I detest the nullsec huge fleet fights and have for all my time in Eve. There is simply NO reason to do it and it bores me to tears. I refuse to lock out parts of Eve by going -10 by pew pewing in low sec and theres no way Im grinding up the standing for every kill to keep my toons above -5. FW is the same deal you lock out half of Eve and I understand fully this is a "designed" feature but frankly after all this time in Eve its stupid and silly to REQUIRE alts for whatever reason because of such issues. High sec PvP is lame in so many ways. Only null allows pew pew without standing hit but to put a 30-40mil clone on the line to go screw around in a rifter? Or even an AF of some sort? To just pew for the fun of it? Nope, absolutely no reason to use them at all. And thats pathetically sad imo. Would I go and actually use them if there was no clone cost? Yup. Now a 10mil per fun roam is appealing. As I can do it 10-100 times a day if I wish to. But having the clone cost anywhere from double to 10 times the ships worth each time? Puts it into a naw Ill go do something else category. Strength isnt measured in numbers but in force of will. For if one motived willful individual stands many will fall around him that are weak. http://tinyurl.com/YarrFace

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