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Typherin laidai	Posted - 2004.12.15 10:16:00 - [121] Originally by: Dark Shikari My biggest problem with Ravens is the instaganking. Why can they kill everything smaller than them in one or two hits no matter how the enemy is set up? Ummm look at it from a real life point of view. Size + Firepower difference is massive ... Ok lets look at a tier 3 Frig Vs a Raven .. Hmm real life comparison .... Challenger Tank Vs 4 year old boy with a stick. If the guy in the challenger is real Unfortunate/Dumb the kid may well be able to poke a stick into the tracks or something and temporarily immobilise it ( Webber ) But lets be fair... Challenger fires.. Boom kid dead. fair enough I feel ... Urrr and ive only just realised how much crap i just rambled ^^ ... urrr well im sure you get my point Actually you probably dont ... Drugs ARE BAD ladies and gentlemen Typherin LaiDai Care Negotitations Expert level 5 'Give me a position of power and I'l abuse it in an instant'
Typherin laidai	Posted - 2004.12.15 10:16:00 - [122] Originally by: Dark Shikari My biggest problem with Ravens is the instaganking. Why can they kill everything smaller than them in one or two hits no matter how the enemy is set up? Ummm look at it from a real life point of view. Size + Firepower difference is massive ... Ok lets look at a tier 3 Frig Vs a Raven .. Hmm real life comparison .... Challenger Tank Vs 4 year old boy with a stick. If the guy in the challenger is real Unfortunate/Dumb the kid may well be able to poke a stick into the tracks or something and temporarily immobilise it ( Webber ) But lets be fair... Challenger fires.. Boom kid dead. fair enough I feel ... Urrr and ive only just realised how much crap i just rambled ^^ ... urrr well im sure you get my point Actually you probably dont ... Drugs ARE BAD ladies and gentlemen Typherin LaiDai Care Negotitations Expert level 5 'Give me a position of power and I'l abuse it in an instant'
Arud	Posted - 2004.12.15 10:22:00 - [123] Regarding sensor dampening the raven has fofs
Arud	Posted - 2004.12.15 10:22:00 - [124] Regarding sensor dampening the raven has fofs
Pandora Panda	Posted - 2004.12.15 10:26:00 - [125] Originally by: Typherin laidai Urrr and ive only just realised how much crap i just rambled ^^ ... urrr well im sure you get my point Actually you probably dont ... Drugs ARE BAD ladies and gentlemen Your argument is that you spent a lot of money on it, so you shouldnt have to worry about little ships. Its a really ****ty argument. My argument is that turrets cant hit frigates and cruisers for full damage (or often at all), while missiles can. And this on top of caldari ships being stupidly easier to train to effective levels then turret battleships. -------------------------------------------- CONCORD: Kneecapping Pilots for Misdemeanors Since 2003
Pandora Panda	Posted - 2004.12.15 10:26:00 - [126] Originally by: Typherin laidai Urrr and ive only just realised how much crap i just rambled ^^ ... urrr well im sure you get my point Actually you probably dont ... Drugs ARE BAD ladies and gentlemen Your argument is that you spent a lot of money on it, so you shouldnt have to worry about little ships. Its a really ****ty argument. My argument is that turrets cant hit frigates and cruisers for full damage (or often at all), while missiles can. And this on top of caldari ships being stupidly easier to train to effective levels then turret battleships. -------------------------------------------- CONCORD: Kneecapping Pilots for Misdemeanors Since 2003
Attiladehun	Posted - 2004.12.15 10:34:00 - [127] Before i start to say anything, i'm a 3month char. But you guys are true, caldari is the easiest starting bs there is and the missile skills aren't that long to learn if you look at guns. I started as gallente, but changed to caldari of the missiles, looked so cool :) But now i'm thinking of changing to another race, why? Because missiles have to fly a long distance, while like apocs just sit at long range and do nice damage. Thats my point, missiles are not instant damage it takes some time before they get there. If you don't like missiles comming warp out.. Before they even get to you. But in close range then those torps hurt like hell. But still i think that like apocs shoot faster and more damage then any torping raven. It's true that frigs,cruisers,etc... can't survive long close to a raven. But how are you gonna balance that? never, you can only outrun missiles and hoping that the raven doesn't has any nosf on it. When this bs has a nosf no close range ship can win from it. And well that never can be balanced... Those people need to look into other tactic for flying close. I haven't pvped a lot, but a caldari bs with nosf = dead frig and can never be balanced. Only the frig pilote needs a different setup to overwin those nosf.
Attiladehun	Posted - 2004.12.15 10:34:00 - [128] Before i start to say anything, i'm a 3month char. But you guys are true, caldari is the easiest starting bs there is and the missile skills aren't that long to learn if you look at guns. I started as gallente, but changed to caldari of the missiles, looked so cool :) But now i'm thinking of changing to another race, why? Because missiles have to fly a long distance, while like apocs just sit at long range and do nice damage. Thats my point, missiles are not instant damage it takes some time before they get there. If you don't like missiles comming warp out.. Before they even get to you. But in close range then those torps hurt like hell. But still i think that like apocs shoot faster and more damage then any torping raven. It's true that frigs,cruisers,etc... can't survive long close to a raven. But how are you gonna balance that? never, you can only outrun missiles and hoping that the raven doesn't has any nosf on it. When this bs has a nosf no close range ship can win from it. And well that never can be balanced... Those people need to look into other tactic for flying close. I haven't pvped a lot, but a caldari bs with nosf = dead frig and can never be balanced. Only the frig pilote needs a different setup to overwin those nosf.
Typherin laidai	Posted - 2004.12.15 10:35:00 - [129] Originally by: Pandora Panda Originally by: Typherin laidai Urrr and ive only just realised how much crap i just rambled ^^ ... urrr well im sure you get my point Actually you probably dont ... Drugs ARE BAD ladies and gentlemen Your argument is that you spent a lot of money on it, so you shouldnt have to worry about little ships. Its a really ***ty argument. My argument is that turrets cant hit frigates and cruisers for full damage (or often at all), while missiles can. And this on top of caldari ships being stupidly easier to train to effective levels then turret battleships. No not at all. i dont seem to remember mentioning cash ? do you .. lol. And more to the point i was just messing around. BUT . Yes I do feel that something thats 10 times the size of a frigate and few hundred times more expensive should be able to own something like a tier 3 frig ? or wtf would be the point in new players saving up for them ? Now lil Frigs/Cepters have a great laugh avoiding Bs fire from turrets but if they cant outrun a missile.. I have to say Tough Sht . Typherin LaiDai Care Negotitations Expert level 5 'Give me a position of power and I'l abuse it in an instant'
Typherin laidai	Posted - 2004.12.15 10:35:00 - [130] Originally by: Pandora Panda Originally by: Typherin laidai Urrr and ive only just realised how much crap i just rambled ^^ ... urrr well im sure you get my point Actually you probably dont ... Drugs ARE BAD ladies and gentlemen Your argument is that you spent a lot of money on it, so you shouldnt have to worry about little ships. Its a really ***ty argument. My argument is that turrets cant hit frigates and cruisers for full damage (or often at all), while missiles can. And this on top of caldari ships being stupidly easier to train to effective levels then turret battleships. No not at all. i dont seem to remember mentioning cash ? do you .. lol. And more to the point i was just messing around. BUT . Yes I do feel that something thats 10 times the size of a frigate and few hundred times more expensive should be able to own something like a tier 3 frig ? or wtf would be the point in new players saving up for them ? Now lil Frigs/Cepters have a great laugh avoiding Bs fire from turrets but if they cant outrun a missile.. I have to say Tough Sht . Typherin LaiDai Care Negotitations Expert level 5 'Give me a position of power and I'l abuse it in an instant'
Arud	Posted - 2004.12.15 11:01:00 - [131] Originally by: Typherin laidai Originally by: Pandora Panda Originally by: Typherin laidai Urrr and ive only just realised how much crap i just rambled ^^ ... urrr well im sure you get my point Actually you probably dont ... Drugs ARE BAD ladies and gentlemen Your argument is that you spent a lot of money on it, so you shouldnt have to worry about little ships. Its a really ***ty argument. My argument is that turrets cant hit frigates and cruisers for full damage (or often at all), while missiles can. And this on top of caldari ships being stupidly easier to train to effective levels then turret battleships. No not at all. i dont seem to remember mentioning cash ? do you .. lol. And more to the point i was just messing around. BUT . Yes I do feel that something thats 10 times the size of a frigate and few hundred times more expensive should be able to own something like a tier 3 frig ? or wtf would be the point in new players saving up for them ? Now lil Frigs/Cepters have a great laugh avoiding Bs fire from turrets but if they cant outrun a missile.. I have to say Tough Sht . so it would be perfectly ok with you if they would change it so that missiles couldnt hit anything while turrets would hit everything for full damage? would that be acceptable?
Arud	Posted - 2004.12.15 11:01:00 - [132] Originally by: Typherin laidai Originally by: Pandora Panda Originally by: Typherin laidai Urrr and ive only just realised how much crap i just rambled ^^ ... urrr well im sure you get my point Actually you probably dont ... Drugs ARE BAD ladies and gentlemen Your argument is that you spent a lot of money on it, so you shouldnt have to worry about little ships. Its a really ***ty argument. My argument is that turrets cant hit frigates and cruisers for full damage (or often at all), while missiles can. And this on top of caldari ships being stupidly easier to train to effective levels then turret battleships. No not at all. i dont seem to remember mentioning cash ? do you .. lol. And more to the point i was just messing around. BUT . Yes I do feel that something thats 10 times the size of a frigate and few hundred times more expensive should be able to own something like a tier 3 frig ? or wtf would be the point in new players saving up for them ? Now lil Frigs/Cepters have a great laugh avoiding Bs fire from turrets but if they cant outrun a missile.. I have to say Tough Sht . so it would be perfectly ok with you if they would change it so that missiles couldnt hit anything while turrets would hit everything for full damage? would that be acceptable?
Estios	Posted - 2004.12.15 11:05:00 - [133] Edited by: Estios on 15/12/2004 11:12:35 Originally by: Amos Sommers No I disagree Raven is by far one of the worst combat ships. It is powerfull, but if someone either jams it or dumpens it, its as good as dead and there is no helping it. Raven is underpowered Raven is slow and weak Experience tells me that shield tanking is in fact much more expensive and difficult to do than armor tanking. A noob may quickly get to fly a Raven, but it will be ages before he/she can tank it successfully (Remember the cost of Tech II Cap Rechargers is very high). LOL - GOOD ONE !!! I have an alt with 2.5 mil skill points. He flies a Raven and can kill any NPC's out there, solo lvl 4 agent missions and kick some ass in PVP against other BS's. In no other ship could he do that with such low SP's to the same effect To say its underpowered is a funny joke I dont like the word nerf and dont honestly care (as I can fly one on both my chars) but dont make yourself look silly by saying its not an uber ship Its weapons hit all other ships for 100% damage everytime regardless of there sig radius like a turret So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
Estios	Posted - 2004.12.15 11:05:00 - [134] Edited by: Estios on 15/12/2004 11:12:35 Originally by: Amos Sommers No I disagree Raven is by far one of the worst combat ships. It is powerfull, but if someone either jams it or dumpens it, its as good as dead and there is no helping it. Raven is underpowered Raven is slow and weak Experience tells me that shield tanking is in fact much more expensive and difficult to do than armor tanking. A noob may quickly get to fly a Raven, but it will be ages before he/she can tank it successfully (Remember the cost of Tech II Cap Rechargers is very high). LOL - GOOD ONE !!! I have an alt with 2.5 mil skill points. He flies a Raven and can kill any NPC's out there, solo lvl 4 agent missions and kick some ass in PVP against other BS's. In no other ship could he do that with such low SP's to the same effect To say its underpowered is a funny joke I dont like the word nerf and dont honestly care (as I can fly one on both my chars) but dont make yourself look silly by saying its not an uber ship Its weapons hit all other ships for 100% damage everytime regardless of there sig radius like a turret So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
Typherin laidai	Posted - 2004.12.15 11:12:00 - [135] Originally by: Arud Originally by: Typherin laidai Originally by: Pandora Panda Originally by: Typherin laidai Urrr and ive only just realised how much crap i just rambled ^^ ... urrr well im sure you get my point Actually you probably dont ... Drugs ARE BAD ladies and gentlemen Your argument is that you spent a lot of money on it, so you shouldnt have to worry about little ships. Its a really ***ty argument. My argument is that turrets cant hit frigates and cruisers for full damage (or often at all), while missiles can. And this on top of caldari ships being stupidly easier to train to effective levels then turret battleships. No not at all. i dont seem to remember mentioning cash ? do you .. lol. And more to the point i was just messing around. BUT . Yes I do feel that something thats 10 times the size of a frigate and few hundred times more expensive should be able to own something like a tier 3 frig ? or wtf would be the point in new players saving up for them ? Now lil Frigs/Cepters have a great laugh avoiding Bs fire from turrets but if they cant outrun a missile.. I have to say Tough Sht . so it would be perfectly ok with you if they would change it so that missiles couldnt hit anything while turrets would hit everything for full damage? would that be acceptable? Ummm what it it with peoples ability to read ? I DID NOT SAY THAT AT ALL . As I quite clearly stated I see nothing wrong with the missiles as they are ^ My vote is to stop Nerfing each race each time the Forum trolls decide to cry about something...... As far as missiles go I think varying their damage a bit might be a good idea but other than that they are fine ^ Typherin LaiDai Care Negotitations Expert level 5 'Give me a position of power and I'l abuse it in an instant'
Typherin laidai	Posted - 2004.12.15 11:12:00 - [136] Originally by: Arud Originally by: Typherin laidai Originally by: Pandora Panda Originally by: Typherin laidai Urrr and ive only just realised how much crap i just rambled ^^ ... urrr well im sure you get my point Actually you probably dont ... Drugs ARE BAD ladies and gentlemen Your argument is that you spent a lot of money on it, so you shouldnt have to worry about little ships. Its a really ***ty argument. My argument is that turrets cant hit frigates and cruisers for full damage (or often at all), while missiles can. And this on top of caldari ships being stupidly easier to train to effective levels then turret battleships. No not at all. i dont seem to remember mentioning cash ? do you .. lol. And more to the point i was just messing around. BUT . Yes I do feel that something thats 10 times the size of a frigate and few hundred times more expensive should be able to own something like a tier 3 frig ? or wtf would be the point in new players saving up for them ? Now lil Frigs/Cepters have a great laugh avoiding Bs fire from turrets but if they cant outrun a missile.. I have to say Tough Sht . so it would be perfectly ok with you if they would change it so that missiles couldnt hit anything while turrets would hit everything for full damage? would that be acceptable? Ummm what it it with peoples ability to read ? I DID NOT SAY THAT AT ALL . As I quite clearly stated I see nothing wrong with the missiles as they are ^ My vote is to stop Nerfing each race each time the Forum trolls decide to cry about something...... As far as missiles go I think varying their damage a bit might be a good idea but other than that they are fine ^ Typherin LaiDai Care Negotitations Expert level 5 'Give me a position of power and I'l abuse it in an instant'
theRaptor	Posted - 2004.12.15 11:15:00 - [137] Originally by: Kcel Chim the story was totally fictional and just a story. The point was not the quality of the freely imagined char "lucky nub" but the fact that a raven is with the new changes abit overpowered (in my opinion, hence the post for a discussion). I fly a Raven and a Mega. And I would bet on my mega (with 350mm rails) killing my Raven anyday. A shield tanking Raven that is not using nosferatus or cap charges has terrible, horrible ****ty cap. Shield tanking and passive cap charging just doesn't seem viable on a Raven (can't use cap relays as they gimp shield tanking, and all the mids are taken to shield tank). If I hadn't trained for the Raven I could have most of my gunnery and support skills to Lvl IV by now. With 7 Large blasters and nine heavy drones I would tear apart a similar SP Raven (unless it had 800 million worth of named gear or jammed/damped me to hell. But I regard EW is broken ). The Raven isnt overpowered compared to other BS. It is overpowered in regard to other BS and cruisers/frigates. A gun boat has bugger all chance of hitting a fast moving cruiser, let alone a frigate. But cruise missiles happily hit anything not doing insane speeds, which is why my railmega has two cruise launchers. I don't see how a Raven requires any less skill points then a megathron. You could argue that it only needs Missile Launcher Ops IV as opposed to Gunnery V for Large guns. But then the Raven is just as susceptible to jamming as a mega. Gank setups need the same skills. Tank setups need the same or similar skills (shield and armour tanking skills are pretty much the same skill with armour/shield in fron of it). --------------------------------------------------
theRaptor	Posted - 2004.12.15 11:15:00 - [138] Originally by: Kcel Chim the story was totally fictional and just a story. The point was not the quality of the freely imagined char "lucky nub" but the fact that a raven is with the new changes abit overpowered (in my opinion, hence the post for a discussion). I fly a Raven and a Mega. And I would bet on my mega (with 350mm rails) killing my Raven anyday. A shield tanking Raven that is not using nosferatus or cap charges has terrible, horrible ****ty cap. Shield tanking and passive cap charging just doesn't seem viable on a Raven (can't use cap relays as they gimp shield tanking, and all the mids are taken to shield tank). If I hadn't trained for the Raven I could have most of my gunnery and support skills to Lvl IV by now. With 7 Large blasters and nine heavy drones I would tear apart a similar SP Raven (unless it had 800 million worth of named gear or jammed/damped me to hell. But I regard EW is broken ). The Raven isnt overpowered compared to other BS. It is overpowered in regard to other BS and cruisers/frigates. A gun boat has bugger all chance of hitting a fast moving cruiser, let alone a frigate. But cruise missiles happily hit anything not doing insane speeds, which is why my railmega has two cruise launchers. I don't see how a Raven requires any less skill points then a megathron. You could argue that it only needs Missile Launcher Ops IV as opposed to Gunnery V for Large guns. But then the Raven is just as susceptible to jamming as a mega. Gank setups need the same skills. Tank setups need the same or similar skills (shield and armour tanking skills are pretty much the same skill with armour/shield in fron of it). --------------------------------------------------
Pandora Panda	Posted - 2004.12.15 11:16:00 - [139] Edited by: Pandora Panda on 15/12/2004 11:25:53 Originally by: Typherin laidai Ummm what it it with peoples ability to read ? I DID NOT SAY THAT AT ALL . As I quite clearly stated I see nothing wrong with the missiles as they are ^ My vote is to stop Nerfing each race each time the Forum trolls decide to cry about something...... As far as missiles go I think varying their damage a bit might be a good idea but other than that they are fine ^ No, you didnt say that. You said that you liked having missiles instagank frigates. Then you got ***y when someone suggusted that you wouldnt like it if turrets instaganked frigs and missiles couldnt. Basically, the problem is youre a damned moron. Originally by:** theRaptor I fly a Raven and a Mega. And I would bet on my mega (with 350mm rails) killing my Raven anyday. A shield tanking Raven that is not using nosferatus or cap charges has terrible, horrible ****ty cap. Shield tanking and passive cap charging just doesn't seem viable on a Raven (can't use cap relays as they gimp shield tanking, and all the mids are taken to shield tank). Fun. You can kill ravens that were set up by complete dumbasses. A megathron, especially a blasterthron, will not kill a well flown and equipped raven unless it starts within 5k, and even then its iffy. Torpedos with ballistic controls will end you. Dampner ravens will end you because you will have a 60+ second locktime once you do get in range. As for rails, if youre inside 20k the raven can go all transverse velocity and cut your damage in half. If youre outside 20k, he can warp assuming he isnt kicking your ass anyway. That wouldnt really be so bad, except that raven can have 800k SP and still murder your megathron, every time. There is really no situation I can imagine losing a raven to a megathron in a 1v1 unless the raven is an idiot. Try fighting a megathron with 800k SP. It'll be fun for you, and whoever gets to kill you with a frigate. -------------------------------------------- CONCORD: Kneecapping Pilots for Misdemeanors Since 2003
Pandora Panda	Posted - 2004.12.15 11:16:00 - [140] Edited by: Pandora Panda on 15/12/2004 11:25:53 Originally by: Typherin laidai Ummm what it it with peoples ability to read ? I DID NOT SAY THAT AT ALL . As I quite clearly stated I see nothing wrong with the missiles as they are ^ My vote is to stop Nerfing each race each time the Forum trolls decide to cry about something...... As far as missiles go I think varying their damage a bit might be a good idea but other than that they are fine ^ No, you didnt say that. You said that you liked having missiles instagank frigates. Then you got ***y when someone suggusted that you wouldnt like it if turrets instaganked frigs and missiles couldnt. Basically, the problem is youre a damned moron. Originally by:** theRaptor I fly a Raven and a Mega. And I would bet on my mega (with 350mm rails) killing my Raven anyday. A shield tanking Raven that is not using nosferatus or cap charges has terrible, horrible ****ty cap. Shield tanking and passive cap charging just doesn't seem viable on a Raven (can't use cap relays as they gimp shield tanking, and all the mids are taken to shield tank). Fun. You can kill ravens that were set up by complete dumbasses. A megathron, especially a blasterthron, will not kill a well flown and equipped raven unless it starts within 5k, and even then its iffy. Torpedos with ballistic controls will end you. Dampner ravens will end you because you will have a 60+ second locktime once you do get in range. As for rails, if youre inside 20k the raven can go all transverse velocity and cut your damage in half. If youre outside 20k, he can warp assuming he isnt kicking your ass anyway. That wouldnt really be so bad, except that raven can have 800k SP and still murder your megathron, every time. There is really no situation I can imagine losing a raven to a megathron in a 1v1 unless the raven is an idiot. Try fighting a megathron with 800k SP. It'll be fun for you, and whoever gets to kill you with a frigate. -------------------------------------------- CONCORD: Kneecapping Pilots for Misdemeanors Since 2003
Arud	Posted - 2004.12.15 11:21:00 - [141] Originally by: Typherin laidai Originally by: Arud Originally by: Typherin laidai Originally by: Pandora Panda Originally by: Typherin laidai Urrr and ive only just realised how much crap i just rambled ^^ ... urrr well im sure you get my point Actually you probably dont ... Drugs ARE BAD ladies and gentlemen Your argument is that you spent a lot of money on it, so you shouldnt have to worry about little ships. Its a really ***ty argument. My argument is that turrets cant hit frigates and cruisers for full damage (or often at all), while missiles can. And this on top of caldari ships being stupidly easier to train to effective levels then turret battleships. No not at all. i dont seem to remember mentioning cash ? do you .. lol. And more to the point i was just messing around. BUT . Yes I do feel that something thats 10 times the size of a frigate and few hundred times more expensive should be able to own something like a tier 3 frig ? or wtf would be the point in new players saving up for them ? Now lil Frigs/Cepters have a great laugh avoiding Bs fire from turrets but if they cant outrun a missile.. I have to say Tough Sht . so it would be perfectly ok with you if they would change it so that missiles couldnt hit anything while turrets would hit everything for full damage? would that be acceptable? Ummm what it it with peoples ability to read ? I DID NOT SAY THAT AT ALL . As I quite clearly stated I see nothing wrong with the missiles as they are ^ My vote is to stop Nerfing each race each time the Forum trolls decide to cry about something...... As far as missiles go I think varying their damage a bit might be a good idea but other than that they are fine ^ So its ok for a missile using battleship to hit everything without sacrificing any offensive power while a turret using battleship has to sacrifice alot of offensive power and use small turrets just so it can hit small targets? Is that a balance? if thats the case then I'm sure you wont object to it being the other way around also, since after all.. tough ****
Arud	Posted - 2004.12.15 11:21:00 - [142] Originally by: Typherin laidai Originally by: Arud Originally by: Typherin laidai Originally by: Pandora Panda Originally by: Typherin laidai Urrr and ive only just realised how much crap i just rambled ^^ ... urrr well im sure you get my point Actually you probably dont ... Drugs ARE BAD ladies and gentlemen Your argument is that you spent a lot of money on it, so you shouldnt have to worry about little ships. Its a really ***ty argument. My argument is that turrets cant hit frigates and cruisers for full damage (or often at all), while missiles can. And this on top of caldari ships being stupidly easier to train to effective levels then turret battleships. No not at all. i dont seem to remember mentioning cash ? do you .. lol. And more to the point i was just messing around. BUT . Yes I do feel that something thats 10 times the size of a frigate and few hundred times more expensive should be able to own something like a tier 3 frig ? or wtf would be the point in new players saving up for them ? Now lil Frigs/Cepters have a great laugh avoiding Bs fire from turrets but if they cant outrun a missile.. I have to say Tough Sht . so it would be perfectly ok with you if they would change it so that missiles couldnt hit anything while turrets would hit everything for full damage? would that be acceptable? Ummm what it it with peoples ability to read ? I DID NOT SAY THAT AT ALL . As I quite clearly stated I see nothing wrong with the missiles as they are ^ My vote is to stop Nerfing each race each time the Forum trolls decide to cry about something...... As far as missiles go I think varying their damage a bit might be a good idea but other than that they are fine ^ So its ok for a missile using battleship to hit everything without sacrificing any offensive power while a turret using battleship has to sacrifice alot of offensive power and use small turrets just so it can hit small targets? Is that a balance? if thats the case then I'm sure you wont object to it being the other way around also, since after all.. tough ****
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Pandora Panda	Posted - 2004.12.15 11:36:00 - [149] Originally by: benwallace medium t2 smartbomb Torpedo. P.S. Saying something 3 times doesnt make you less of an idiot then if you say it once. -------------------------------------------- CONCORD: Kneecapping Pilots for Misdemeanors Since 2003
Pandora Panda	Posted - 2004.12.15 11:36:00 - [150] Originally by: benwallace medium t2 smartbomb Torpedo. P.S. Saying something 3 times doesnt make you less of an idiot then if you say it once. -------------------------------------------- CONCORD: Kneecapping Pilots for Misdemeanors Since 2003

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