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qrac
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Posted - 2004.12.15 15:04:00 -
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 Originally by: Kcel Chim
Regardless i must say ive from january this year till i left fa not seen you in any fleet nor your m8 and i took part in all fa ops (m0o-fe / cfs / m0o techell / c4 / ca / cfs / ca / ca invasion and last but not least the last cfs war (while i wasnt fa anymore).
that just shows how much u don't pay attention.
Originally by: Kcel Chim
Regarding my quality if you read carefully your "chap" started trying to take personal digs once he wasnt ablt to get of any constructive arguments. For all i care you can think what you like, the ppl who know me know it and i dont need a random dude cheer me up.
i noticed that u've been in atuk (they r a pvp corp right? :p) for longer than a month yet i don't see a single killmail on the bob killboard with your name on it (or maybe that's because u fly a covert ops frig?). in the 7 past days cherok has 13 kills to his name that is on of the things i based my opinion on. the other one is the memory i have of u.. even if u don't remember me i do remember u.
and back to the topic again. i only think the raven is overpowered vs smaller craft.there's no way ccp can balance ships to make them equal at all lvl's unless they make all the ships the same. that's why tomb tried to balance the ships at lvl 4 and this is where i say he made a mistake but that's another topic.
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qrac
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Posted - 2004.12.15 15:04:00 -
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Originally by: Kcel Chim
Regardless i must say ive from january this year till i left fa not seen you in any fleet nor your m8 and i took part in all fa ops (m0o-fe / cfs / m0o techell / c4 / ca / cfs / ca / ca invasion and last but not least the last cfs war (while i wasnt fa anymore).
that just shows how much u don't pay attention.
Originally by: Kcel Chim
Regarding my quality if you read carefully your "chap" started trying to take personal digs once he wasnt ablt to get of any constructive arguments. For all i care you can think what you like, the ppl who know me know it and i dont need a random dude cheer me up.
i noticed that u've been in atuk (they r a pvp corp right? :p) for longer than a month yet i don't see a single killmail on the bob killboard with your name on it (or maybe that's because u fly a covert ops frig?). in the 7 past days cherok has 13 kills to his name that is on of the things i based my opinion on. the other one is the memory i have of u.. even if u don't remember me i do remember u.
and back to the topic again. i only think the raven is overpowered vs smaller craft.there's no way ccp can balance ships to make them equal at all lvl's unless they make all the ships the same. that's why tomb tried to balance the ships at lvl 4 and this is where i say he made a mistake but that's another topic.
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Kcel Chim
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Posted - 2004.12.15 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: qrac
that just shows how much u don't pay attention.
the other pilots i asked couldnt remember you either there...
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i noticed that u've been in atuk (they r a pvp corp right? :p) for longer than a month yet i don't see a single killmail on the bob killboard with your name on it (or maybe that's because u fly a covert ops frig?). in the 7 past days cherok has 13 kills to his name that is on of the things i based my opinion on.
Now we could spam the boards with quiet useless rl information, as vacation, birthday and last but not least the use of another character to fly cruisers and frigs, all of this would just make your argument kinda moot. If i would care you could find my name on the bob killboard but i wont help you that far.
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the other one is the memory i have of u.. even if u don't remember me i do remember u.
Im sure someone in Xan (as i dont have those all saved anymore nor do i care or find any personal ticklish feelings in it) about my kills in the fa. A result im sure cheroks could need some education from.
Hence i dont get why you try to make it personal or even brought it up, the point of how well I, Jesus or cherok can fly the raven doesnt equatate to how well a 2.5 mil char can fly a raven, unless one of us has only 2.5 mil skp, which i doubt...
Reading the feedback and rereading cheroks posts i see most of his points got blown out of the water especially with shadows /pandas or estios replies.
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and back to the topic again. i only think the raven is overpowered vs smaller craft.there's no way ccp can balance ships to make them equal at all lvl's unless they make all the ships the same. that's why tomb tried to balance the ships at lvl 4 and this is where i say he made a mistake but that's another topic.
CCP can and should. Clearly offering multiple path characters require somekind of balancing otherwise the whole idea would be fraud if its clear 3 of the 4 other choices will give you a disadvantage aslong as you follow the path, thats why there is no "i win" button somewhere on character creation and we all can make choices which will hopefully balance out somewhere. I however cant see why someone flying interceptors or battlecruisers or cruisers should be instantly dead if he crosses a raven in less then 20km, while he can get away with it on all other ships...
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Kcel Chim
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Posted - 2004.12.15 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: qrac
that just shows how much u don't pay attention.
the other pilots i asked couldnt remember you either there...
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i noticed that u've been in atuk (they r a pvp corp right? :p) for longer than a month yet i don't see a single killmail on the bob killboard with your name on it (or maybe that's because u fly a covert ops frig?). in the 7 past days cherok has 13 kills to his name that is on of the things i based my opinion on.
Now we could spam the boards with quiet useless rl information, as vacation, birthday and last but not least the use of another character to fly cruisers and frigs, all of this would just make your argument kinda moot. If i would care you could find my name on the bob killboard but i wont help you that far.
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the other one is the memory i have of u.. even if u don't remember me i do remember u.
Im sure someone in Xan (as i dont have those all saved anymore nor do i care or find any personal ticklish feelings in it) about my kills in the fa. A result im sure cheroks could need some education from.
Hence i dont get why you try to make it personal or even brought it up, the point of how well I, Jesus or cherok can fly the raven doesnt equatate to how well a 2.5 mil char can fly a raven, unless one of us has only 2.5 mil skp, which i doubt...
Reading the feedback and rereading cheroks posts i see most of his points got blown out of the water especially with shadows /pandas or estios replies.
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and back to the topic again. i only think the raven is overpowered vs smaller craft.there's no way ccp can balance ships to make them equal at all lvl's unless they make all the ships the same. that's why tomb tried to balance the ships at lvl 4 and this is where i say he made a mistake but that's another topic.
CCP can and should. Clearly offering multiple path characters require somekind of balancing otherwise the whole idea would be fraud if its clear 3 of the 4 other choices will give you a disadvantage aslong as you follow the path, thats why there is no "i win" button somewhere on character creation and we all can make choices which will hopefully balance out somewhere. I however cant see why someone flying interceptors or battlecruisers or cruisers should be instantly dead if he crosses a raven in less then 20km, while he can get away with it on all other ships...
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Sarkone
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Posted - 2004.12.15 15:19:00 -
[185]
Edited by: Sarkone on 15/12/2004 15:20:58
Edited by: Sarkone on 15/12/2004 15:20:17
Originally by: qrac
i noticed that u've been in atuk (they r a pvp corp right? :p) for longer than a month yet i don't see a single killmail on the bob killboard with your name on it (or maybe that's because u fly a covert ops frig?). in the 7 past days cherok has 13 kills to his name that is on of the things i based my opinion on. the other one is the memory i have of u.. even if u don't remember me i do remember u.
trust me Kcel Chim knows what he is talking about ;)
oh and back to the topic. In my Opinion the Raven IS overpowered compared to any other BS when it comes to BS vs. anything NOT BS sized. Especially when it comes to Raven vs cruisers (if its not dual 100mn AB ones).
Edit: 'uncool' quotething :p
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Sarkone
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Posted - 2004.12.15 15:19:00 -
[186]
Edited by: Sarkone on 15/12/2004 15:20:58
Edited by: Sarkone on 15/12/2004 15:20:17
Originally by: qrac
i noticed that u've been in atuk (they r a pvp corp right? :p) for longer than a month yet i don't see a single killmail on the bob killboard with your name on it (or maybe that's because u fly a covert ops frig?). in the 7 past days cherok has 13 kills to his name that is on of the things i based my opinion on. the other one is the memory i have of u.. even if u don't remember me i do remember u.
trust me Kcel Chim knows what he is talking about ;)
oh and back to the topic. In my Opinion the Raven IS overpowered compared to any other BS when it comes to BS vs. anything NOT BS sized. Especially when it comes to Raven vs cruisers (if its not dual 100mn AB ones).
Edit: 'uncool' quotething :p
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Cherok
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Posted - 2004.12.15 18:28:00 -
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Raven isn't overpowered.
Its advantages are made up for in its disadvantages. I don't know whats so hard to understand about that.
You want to make a Raven totally useless when you fight him? fit a couple large smartbombs and enough cap recharge to fire them as neccessary. You want to fight a raven long range, fit defenders...they do a decent job at long range.
Before the MWD nerf and smartbomb nerf, one of my favorite setups was my dual mwd apoc with 6 large smartbombs/NOS/Neut. Was a funny setup but I lost count of the numerous cruisers and frigs that fell prey to that beast. I participted in killing a couple Torp spamming Ravens with it too...get right up on him and steadily let the bombs rock his world...though I had buddys shooting him with turrets, I can't claim those as solo kills. With that I took 0...thats right...ZERO DAMAGE.
Use your brain instead of calling something uber and overpowered when its convenient.
Every ship in the game has countermeasures, thats what makes it so great and versitle. If everything here was true, you would see fleets of all Ravens and no more Megas, Geddons, apocs, etc... But truth is you do see these other ships...because they are just as effective if not more, depending on the circumstance.
Its that simple.
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Cherok
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Posted - 2004.12.15 18:28:00 -
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Raven isn't overpowered.
Its advantages are made up for in its disadvantages. I don't know whats so hard to understand about that.
You want to make a Raven totally useless when you fight him? fit a couple large smartbombs and enough cap recharge to fire them as neccessary. You want to fight a raven long range, fit defenders...they do a decent job at long range.
Before the MWD nerf and smartbomb nerf, one of my favorite setups was my dual mwd apoc with 6 large smartbombs/NOS/Neut. Was a funny setup but I lost count of the numerous cruisers and frigs that fell prey to that beast. I participted in killing a couple Torp spamming Ravens with it too...get right up on him and steadily let the bombs rock his world...though I had buddys shooting him with turrets, I can't claim those as solo kills. With that I took 0...thats right...ZERO DAMAGE.
Use your brain instead of calling something uber and overpowered when its convenient.
Every ship in the game has countermeasures, thats what makes it so great and versitle. If everything here was true, you would see fleets of all Ravens and no more Megas, Geddons, apocs, etc... But truth is you do see these other ships...because they are just as effective if not more, depending on the circumstance.
Its that simple.
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Pandora Panda
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Posted - 2004.12.15 18:33:00 -
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Originally by: Cherok
You want to make a Raven totally useless when you fight him? fit a couple large smartbombs and enough cap recharge to fire them as neccessary.
WTB: Claw w/2 Large Smartbombs equipped. Must be cap maintainable. Prefer white 4-door.
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Pandora Panda
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Posted - 2004.12.15 18:33:00 -
[190]
Originally by: Cherok
You want to make a Raven totally useless when you fight him? fit a couple large smartbombs and enough cap recharge to fire them as neccessary.
WTB: Claw w/2 Large Smartbombs equipped. Must be cap maintainable. Prefer white 4-door.
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Perry
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Posted - 2004.12.15 19:39:00 -
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Edited by: Perry on 15/12/2004 19:40:12
Originally by: Cherok
Raven isn't overpowered.
If it wasnt, why do we have this Topic? With many valid points?
Originally by: Cherok
You want to make a Raven totally useless when you fight him? fit a couple large smartbombs and enough cap recharge to fire them as neccessary. You want to fight a raven long range, fit defenders...they do a decent job at long range.
Right, you suggest Turret users to euip according to playstyle. And Raven users just equip the be all end all setup and are fine? No thanks. Large Smartbombs suck your cap dry in seconds. Point. Defenders are bugged. Point. Now what was your point again?
Originally by: Cherok
[...] I participted in killing a couple Torp spamming Ravens with it too...get right up on him and steadily let the bombs rock his world...though I had buddys shooting him with turrets, I can't claim those as solo kills. With that I took 0...thats right...ZERO DAMAGE.
Erm... So you killed Ravens with:
-Smartbombs
-Buddys in gunships
-Buddies in scramblerships
-Buddies with energys transfers to keep your bombs rocking?
Now i tell you what a Raven users needs to kill 95% of other ships:
- Raven
Huh? Where is your point??? 
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Perry
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Posted - 2004.12.15 19:39:00 -
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Edited by: Perry on 15/12/2004 19:40:12
Originally by: Cherok
Raven isn't overpowered.
If it wasnt, why do we have this Topic? With many valid points?
Originally by: Cherok
You want to make a Raven totally useless when you fight him? fit a couple large smartbombs and enough cap recharge to fire them as neccessary. You want to fight a raven long range, fit defenders...they do a decent job at long range.
Right, you suggest Turret users to euip according to playstyle. And Raven users just equip the be all end all setup and are fine? No thanks. Large Smartbombs suck your cap dry in seconds. Point. Defenders are bugged. Point. Now what was your point again?
Originally by: Cherok
[...] I participted in killing a couple Torp spamming Ravens with it too...get right up on him and steadily let the bombs rock his world...though I had buddys shooting him with turrets, I can't claim those as solo kills. With that I took 0...thats right...ZERO DAMAGE.
Erm... So you killed Ravens with:
-Smartbombs
-Buddys in gunships
-Buddies in scramblerships
-Buddies with energys transfers to keep your bombs rocking?
Now i tell you what a Raven users needs to kill 95% of other ships:
- Raven
Huh? Where is your point???
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Mikelangelo
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Posted - 2004.12.15 19:48:00 -
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"OMG ship XXXXX is too ubah and the game is fubared" posts have been around as long as Eve.
While its true that the Raven is a very versatile ship, and missiles need to be looked at, this type of thread isn't going to win you any points with the devs, or for that matter anybody's grandma either.
If you look at a Raven objectively, you will see that it has two glaring weakenesses.
1) Not enough powergrid.
2) It needs cap to tank (can be said of any ship really).
If you have a ship with more powergrid, you have more options of defeating a Raven. See point number 2.
Any setup can be defeated, if you are set up to deal with it. The flavor of the month Raven (nos, siege, shield tank) is an eggshell if you really think about it. No and the answer is not jamming.
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Mikelangelo
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Posted - 2004.12.15 19:48:00 -
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"OMG ship XXXXX is too ubah and the game is fubared" posts have been around as long as Eve.
While its true that the Raven is a very versatile ship, and missiles need to be looked at, this type of thread isn't going to win you any points with the devs, or for that matter anybody's grandma either.
If you look at a Raven objectively, you will see that it has two glaring weakenesses.
1) Not enough powergrid.
2) It needs cap to tank (can be said of any ship really).
If you have a ship with more powergrid, you have more options of defeating a Raven. See point number 2.
Any setup can be defeated, if you are set up to deal with it. The flavor of the month Raven (nos, siege, shield tank) is an eggshell if you really think about it. No and the answer is not jamming.
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2004.12.15 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: Pandora Panda
Torpedos with ballistic controls will end you. Dampner ravens will end you because you will have a 60+ second locktime once you do get in range.
Yeah I said without EW. Gun boats are so penalized by EW its not funny. Raven just wastes 10 seconds switching over to F.o.F.
Originally by: Pandora Panda
As for rails, if youre inside 20k the raven can go all transverse velocity and cut your damage in half. If youre outside 20k, he can warp assuming he isnt kicking your ass anyway.
True, though its not so bad when a BS does it because they are big targets (and cant cheat by fitting oversized). But I count the enemy warping out as a victory (they are retreating), but some people only count kills as a victory.
Originally by: Pandora Panda
That wouldnt really be so bad, except that raven can have 800k SP and still murder your megathron, every time. There is really no situation I can imagine losing a raven to a megathron in a 1v1 unless the raven is an idiot.
Try fighting a megathron with 800k SP. It'll be fun for you, and whoever gets to kill you with a frigate.
With 800K SP they wouldnt be fitting much (250K just for missile launcher ops). And so would be limited in their loadout.
Oh and no frigate has a chance of hurting my mega. I use two cruise launchers (dont have the grid spare for two siege), with new missile mecahnics you can wave good bye to any frig that isnt running away.
Though a pure gun setup has troubles.
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2004.12.15 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: Pandora Panda
Torpedos with ballistic controls will end you. Dampner ravens will end you because you will have a 60+ second locktime once you do get in range.
Yeah I said without EW. Gun boats are so penalized by EW its not funny. Raven just wastes 10 seconds switching over to F.o.F.
Originally by: Pandora Panda
As for rails, if youre inside 20k the raven can go all transverse velocity and cut your damage in half. If youre outside 20k, he can warp assuming he isnt kicking your ass anyway.
True, though its not so bad when a BS does it because they are big targets (and cant cheat by fitting oversized). But I count the enemy warping out as a victory (they are retreating), but some people only count kills as a victory.
Originally by: Pandora Panda
That wouldnt really be so bad, except that raven can have 800k SP and still murder your megathron, every time. There is really no situation I can imagine losing a raven to a megathron in a 1v1 unless the raven is an idiot.
Try fighting a megathron with 800k SP. It'll be fun for you, and whoever gets to kill you with a frigate.
With 800K SP they wouldnt be fitting much (250K just for missile launcher ops). And so would be limited in their loadout.
Oh and no frigate has a chance of hurting my mega. I use two cruise launchers (dont have the grid spare for two siege), with new missile mecahnics you can wave good bye to any frig that isnt running away.
Though a pure gun setup has troubles.
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babo
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Posted - 2004.12.15 20:34:00 -
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One way to get 'around' missles is to have a ship fit a couple of smartbombs and have them on repeat alternating so you basically have a continuous burst.
Just to see, I tested out this theory with a catalyst, destroyer (8 turret hp's) fitted three smartbombs and went out and found some scourge spamming npc rats and never had one touch me.
Missles can be defeated this way pretty easy..
I have not tried this tactic against a raven, but I imagine it would be the same scenario against.
Obvious drawback here is the need to sacrifice a couple high slots in order to fit two smartbombs, also have the pulse weapon skill trained up.
For this matter, smartbombs are great against drones as well..
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babo
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Posted - 2004.12.15 20:34:00 -
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One way to get 'around' missles is to have a ship fit a couple of smartbombs and have them on repeat alternating so you basically have a continuous burst.
Just to see, I tested out this theory with a catalyst, destroyer (8 turret hp's) fitted three smartbombs and went out and found some scourge spamming npc rats and never had one touch me.
Missles can be defeated this way pretty easy..
I have not tried this tactic against a raven, but I imagine it would be the same scenario against.
Obvious drawback here is the need to sacrifice a couple high slots in order to fit two smartbombs, also have the pulse weapon skill trained up.
For this matter, smartbombs are great against drones as well..
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Liz Bathory
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Posted - 2004.12.15 21:31:00 -
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smartbombs?
any smarty *****ble on a frig will fail to kill torps
no frig can sustain smartbombs
now, how are you supposed to kill an alert raven with no frigate able to keep a scrabler on him?
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Liz Bathory
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Posted - 2004.12.15 21:31:00 -
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smartbombs?
any smarty *****ble on a frig will fail to kill torps
no frig can sustain smartbombs
now, how are you supposed to kill an alert raven with no frigate able to keep a scrabler on him?
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2004.12.15 21:34:00 -
[201]
Originally by: babo
One way to get 'around' missles is to have a ship fit a couple of smartbombs and have them on repeat alternating so you basically have a continuous burst.
Just to see, I tested out this theory with a catalyst, destroyer (8 turret hp's) fitted three smartbombs and went out and found some scourge spamming npc rats and never had one touch me.
Missles can be defeated this way pretty easy..
I have not tried this tactic against a raven, but I imagine it would be the same scenario against.
Obvious drawback here is the need to sacrifice a couple high slots in order to fit two smartbombs, also have the pulse weapon skill trained up.
For this matter, smartbombs are great against drones as well..
Torps and cruise have alot more HP then heavy missiles. Yes lots of smart bombs can make you almost invincible against missile boats. But you arent going to be killing anything (unless its a frig that gets to close).
On the other hand a missile boat can damp/jam the crap out of a gun boat and still have maximum damage output.
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2004.12.15 21:34:00 -
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Originally by: babo
One way to get 'around' missles is to have a ship fit a couple of smartbombs and have them on repeat alternating so you basically have a continuous burst.
Just to see, I tested out this theory with a catalyst, destroyer (8 turret hp's) fitted three smartbombs and went out and found some scourge spamming npc rats and never had one touch me.
Missles can be defeated this way pretty easy..
I have not tried this tactic against a raven, but I imagine it would be the same scenario against.
Obvious drawback here is the need to sacrifice a couple high slots in order to fit two smartbombs, also have the pulse weapon skill trained up.
For this matter, smartbombs are great against drones as well..
Torps and cruise have alot more HP then heavy missiles. Yes lots of smart bombs can make you almost invincible against missile boats. But you arent going to be killing anything (unless its a frig that gets to close).
On the other hand a missile boat can damp/jam the crap out of a gun boat and still have maximum damage output.
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Azalea
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Posted - 2004.12.15 21:42:00 -
[203]
Originally by: theRaptor
On the other hand a missile boat can damp/jam the crap out of a gun boat and still have maximum damage output.
A Gunboat can damp/jam the crap out of a missile boat too, even better. Both Raven and Scorp need their midslots for shield tanking so they'd have to make a trade-off. While an Apoc could use all of its 4 med slots for Ecm. Tempest and Railthron too, Dominix even better.
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Azalea
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Posted - 2004.12.15 21:42:00 -
[204]
Originally by: theRaptor
On the other hand a missile boat can damp/jam the crap out of a gun boat and still have maximum damage output.
A Gunboat can damp/jam the crap out of a missile boat too, even better. Both Raven and Scorp need their midslots for shield tanking so they'd have to make a trade-off. While an Apoc could use all of its 4 med slots for Ecm. Tempest and Railthron too, Dominix even better.
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2004.12.15 21:50:00 -
[205]
Originally by: theRaptor
Originally by: Pandora Panda
Oh and no frigate has a chance of hurting my mega. I use two cruise launchers (dont have the grid spare for two siege), with new missile mecahnics you can wave good bye to any frig that isnt running away.
Rofl! 1/2 this entire argument is that missiles=overpowered so hence raven=overpowered, and your argument is "frigs cant hurt my mega cause I use missiles."
Nice.
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2004.12.15 21:50:00 -
[206]
Originally by: theRaptor
Originally by: Pandora Panda
Oh and no frigate has a chance of hurting my mega. I use two cruise launchers (dont have the grid spare for two siege), with new missile mecahnics you can wave good bye to any frig that isnt running away.
Rofl! 1/2 this entire argument is that missiles=overpowered so hence raven=overpowered, and your argument is "frigs cant hurt my mega cause I use missiles."
Nice.
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2004.12.15 21:52:00 -
[207]
Originally by: Azalea
Originally by: theRaptor
On the other hand a missile boat can damp/jam the crap out of a gun boat and still have maximum damage output.
A Gunboat can damp/jam the crap out of a missile boat too, even better. Both Raven and Scorp need their midslots for shield tanking so they'd have to make a trade-off. While an Apoc could use all of its 4 med slots for Ecm. Tempest and Railthron too, Dominix even better.
...jamming/dampning a missileboat only forces him to switch to FoF, which he will then pwn you with. Remind me, do gunboats have FoF turrets? Oh wait... no.
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2004.12.15 21:52:00 -
[208]
Originally by: Azalea
Originally by: theRaptor
On the other hand a missile boat can damp/jam the crap out of a gun boat and still have maximum damage output.
A Gunboat can damp/jam the crap out of a missile boat too, even better. Both Raven and Scorp need their midslots for shield tanking so they'd have to make a trade-off. While an Apoc could use all of its 4 med slots for Ecm. Tempest and Railthron too, Dominix even better.
...jamming/dampning a missileboat only forces him to switch to FoF, which he will then pwn you with. Remind me, do gunboats have FoF turrets? Oh wait... no.
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Kcel Chim
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Posted - 2004.12.15 22:43:00 -
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Originally by: Azalea
A Gunboat can damp/jam the crap out of a missile boat too, even better. Both Raven and Scorp need their midslots for shield tanking so they'd have to make a trade-off. While an Apoc could use all of its 4 med slots for Ecm. Tempest and Railthron too, Dominix even better.
Speaking about EW on other ships is just pointless as they dont have enough medslots spare.
Someone who has ecm doent need to tank, thats like armortanking and shieldtanking on one ship, just incase.
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Kcel Chim
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Posted - 2004.12.15 22:43:00 -
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Originally by: Azalea
A Gunboat can damp/jam the crap out of a missile boat too, even better. Both Raven and Scorp need their midslots for shield tanking so they'd have to make a trade-off. While an Apoc could use all of its 4 med slots for Ecm. Tempest and Railthron too, Dominix even better.
Speaking about EW on other ships is just pointless as they dont have enough medslots spare.
Someone who has ecm doent need to tank, thats like armortanking and shieldtanking on one ship, just incase.
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