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Denuo Secus
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Posted - 2010.06.21 23:41:00 -
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Yes I'm serious. I didn't try it on TQ yet but on paper it looks nice. Did anyone try this in real TQ PvP? Plan is to use it in small gangs or even solo. Obvious advantage over the Rook is it's covert cloak.
The MWD is useless while cloaked. But I guess it's quite essential once decloaked and fighting an opponent at close range.
[Falcon, Yarr?]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Warp Scrambler II
'Hypnos' Multispectral ECM I
'Hypnos' Multispectral ECM I
'Hypnos' Multispectral ECM I
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Medium Particle Dispersion Augmentor I
Medium Particle Dispersion Augmentor I
Warrior II x2
16K omni EHP
305 DPS with drones and blasters, 273 DPS with blasters only
8.96 omni jamming strength
Thoughts? If it's a bad idea (besides ISK) plz tell me why.
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BeachParty
Caldari
Semi Precious
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Posted - 2010.06.21 23:59:00 -
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Get A Rook
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Erich Herrmann
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Posted - 2010.06.22 00:26:00 -
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3x Racial ECM > 3x Multispectral ECM, unless you're up against the one Race of ship that you don't have Racial ECM for.
But a Rook > Falcon in this case.
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Flashh Gorden
COLD-Wing
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Posted - 2010.06.22 06:05:00 -
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If your in a small gang I would let somone else do the tackle and damage also your going to be alot more useful if you can jam more targets incase some friends of your victim show up.
As for solo the dps is rather low and since you need too be attacking cruiser size ships and upwards with those size guns its going to take a while to kill stuff.
I would take a friend in a stealth bomber with you. You can both cloak and warp around and he will add eneough DPS to take stuff down and be away before the posse arrives
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Mire Stoude
The Undesirables
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Posted - 2010.06.22 06:12:00 -
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With a small gang, you may want to use rails and keep your distance. You aren't going to be a damage dealer with this setup anyways. Also, since you wouldn't be a tackler you should drop the scrambler and put on 4 racial specific ECM's (or maybe 3 racial ecm for the ship types you see the most and 1 multispectral as general purpose backup).
However, for solo work the setup you have there is probably the best you could expect. Maybe put a dam-con on one of the low slots (for more ehp) and replace one of the ecm rigs with a damage rig. The loss to ECM strength and DPS would probably be minimal, but the gains in EHP would be significant.
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King Rothgar
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2010.06.22 06:14:00 -
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Love the idea though never tried it. I would suggest dropping one mag stab for a DCII however. Just standard practice really. Obviously a solo target won't be shooting you much but drones might chew through those shields kinda fast.
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Footoo Rama
Gallente
Cast-a-Ways.
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Posted - 2010.06.22 08:32:00 -
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Please come down to Pure Blind I would love to fight you. Your not going to jam anything with that, you do not know how to use the MWD. I need more falcon kills to balance my Arazu losses.
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Rexthor Hammerfists
Caldari
ANZAC ALLIANCE
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.22 09:24:00 -
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Originally by: Footoo Rama
Please come down to Pure Blind I would love to fight you. Your not going to jam anything with that, you do not know how to use the MWD. I need more falcon kills to balance my Arazu losses.
Where did that come from?
The setup is solid, it may need some modifications depending on the target area and piloting but it would work. Obviously coming to pb or any other region where ratters are tanked specifically against you sint a good idea.
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.06.22 10:13:00 -
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Originally by: BeachParty
Get A Rook
Because it can warp cloaked? Oh wait, it can't.
Th idea behind thi dift is not a bad one actually, and it will get you some kills if you do it right. Might want to get faction ECM, not too expencive.
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Amarr Supremacist
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Posted - 2010.06.22 11:04:00 -
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The fit is bad. Multispecs are terrible and you're overtanking it. And why are you using Ions and a T2 MWD with Y-T's using less PG?
Also, drones alone will slowly kill a Falcon while it's chewing through its target.
[Falcon, Yarr? improved]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
ECM - Spatial Destabilizer II
ECM - Phase Inverter II
ECM - Ion Field Projector II
ECM - White Noise Generator II
Large Shield Extender II
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Medium Particle Dispersion Augmentor I
Medium Particle Dispersion Augmentor I
Warrior II x2
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1600 RT
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Posted - 2010.06.22 15:03:00 -
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if looking for solo fights what is better 3 multispectral or 1 racial?
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David Reece
Aurora Acclivitous
EDGE Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.22 16:54:00 -
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this is a strange thing. NOT A BAD thing.. but unusual. Not many would choose a falcon for solo PVP. the ship, as a rule is paper thin.
for the low slots.. i agree, a Damage Control 2 is standard. ( hell i fit one on my fleet falcon)
MWD will lower you ability to hit, i would go with an AB.. ( afterall.. the idea behind cloaking on this settup, is sneaking up, and being ontop of them, before they know it, right?)
the scramble and blasters say you intend to be up close, so you will want to replace one of the multi specs with a web.
that would leave you with 2 jammers.. this is dodgy.. i would pick 2 racials, the most common ship types of your area, and use them.. this is a ship that can pick its fights (more or less), so if you stumble on a ship, thats not in your racials.. dont engage, unless you refit.. or, replace the 2 shield extenders with racials.. and have one per race. lets face it.. if you jamm a target, before he gets his drones out.. they wont engage you, (untill you miss a cycle)
its a good settup, and a good idea.. but dont get too upset when you loose it.. but you might be able to get a few kills first.. cruiser or smaller.. i dont think you would do much against a BC or bigger.. if you to.. frap it and post it.. i want to watch
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.06.22 17:46:00 -
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Team it up with a blaster arazu and it should do ok. With res scripts in the damps the target won't be able to lock fast enough before the next jam.
Originally by: Balsak
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Footoo Rama
Gallente
Cast-a-Ways.
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Posted - 2010.06.22 19:14:00 -
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Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists
Originally by: Footoo Rama
Please come down to Pure Blind I would love to fight you. Your not going to jam anything with that, you do not know how to use the MWD. I need more falcon kills to balance my Arazu losses.
Where did that come from?
The setup is solid, it may need some modifications depending on the target area and piloting but it would work. Obviously coming to pb or any other region where ratters are tanked specifically against you sint a good idea.
Because it is not a good fit and especially not a good solo fit... The jam strength is low. There is no web or scram which is needed on a blaster fit boat. Solo recon ships are paper thin, they need to be able to dictate all aspects of the fight, this fit cannot extend if things go pear shaped. The Falcon relies on being able to jam and extend/cloak, this ship cannot. Many ratters carry a scram or disruptor in the mids just in case something like this attempts to jump them. Even assuming this ship jumps someone you are not going to be able to hold it and they will just warp out even if it gets the jam.
So fail on build
- Low ecm strength
No points ie disrupter/scram
No web or scram to hold a target ON A BLASTER FIT
In addition the OP pilot does not understand MWD usage that well
Honestly for Solo PvP the Arazu is slightly better with the long point/scram combo (50km/24km) and triple damped with medium guns and drones.
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.06.22 19:20:00 -
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Originally by: 1600 RT
if looking for solo fights what is better 3 multispectral or 1 racial?
Against a single target, 3x multispec is more effective than 1 racial, 2 off racial.
Personally I'd go with something more like:
[Falcon, Blasters]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Damage Control II
Stasis Webifier II
Large Shield Extender II
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
10MN MicroWarpdrive II
ECM - Multispectral Jammer II
ECM - Multispectral Jammer II
ECM - Multispectral Jammer II
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Medium Particle Dispersion Augmentor I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Warrior II x2
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Doctor Mabuse
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Posted - 2010.06.22 22:52:00 -
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I've used this fit to kill a couple of Hurricanes, but both were pretty poorly fit and flown.
The key is to pick your targets very carefully and never fly this fit in a gang, it does not have the tank or ecm strength to withstand multiple targets and you will be primaried and popped very quickly.
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Von Kroll
Caldari
m3 Corp
R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.06.23 03:55:00 -
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I'd ditch the augmentor rigs. If you've got Recon V (which is almost mandatory for serious Falcon/Rook piloting), you've got sufficient jam strength from 3 multi-specs to practically perma-jam anything BC or smaller, except other Recons. I'd recommend saving the rig slots for tank--either extender or resist rigs.
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Helpdesk
Caldari
COLD-Wing
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Posted - 2010.06.23 05:18:00 -
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Originally by: James Lyrus
Against a single target, 3x multispec is more effective than 1 racial, 2 off racial.
This depends entirely on the target you're focussing on.
On a Falcon dedicated to jamming you can get 14+ strength on Racials (15+ on Legion Racials) which is enough to permajam most HACs, in which case one module is enough. Getting a tiny bit closer to your opponent's signature strength helps so much in being able to pull a jam off.
Personally I wouldn't ever bother with multispectral ECMs as their jamming strength simply does not compare. Not in fleets/gangs where if you come up against one opponent, your jamming shouldn't matter (your gang will be big enough to survive an occasional failed racial jam) and where if you come up against multiple opponents, being able to permajam the HACs/ceptors/etc. is far more useful than being able to jam an equal number of ships 'sometimes'.
I'd also not use multispecs when soloing as you'll need that 100% safety of a permajam in order to survive.
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W0wbagger
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:54:00 -
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The fact is to be most effective you have to use multispecs unless you armour tank the falcon which gives fail dps.
The reasons are as follows:
Blaster falcon needs max dps to work (or drones will kill it before you kill the target). This means neutrons and 2 or 3 magstabs.
Blaster falcon is slow and neutrons can't track so you need full tackle thus scram and web are essential. - Small stuff is easy to jam and a lack of web means you can't catch it. Killed a vaga and lots of AFs and frigs due to having a web. (All solo)
With full tackle and mwd taking up 3 slots, you have 4 left, but you need at least some buffer so you can survive a flight of warriors plinking away at you so chuck in an LSE and you're left with 3 slots. The idea of using 3 racials is mad as law dictates you'll only find nice targets that are the race you don't have.
With recon 5 and heat the multis hit 10-11 strength. This gives you virtually perma against most cruisers and below, and minmi BCs are viable as well, plus you have 3. Some of the other BCs such as the drake have strengths over 20 meaning even racials won't be perma.
Anyway ignoring all this the main reason I use multis is because you get spare jammers to jam all your targets' friends when they come into blob you. - Having a spare multi or 2 to stick on the targets friends when they turn up has saved my falcon a lot of times. Yes you may have spare racials but you don't know what ships they're going to come in. Multi's give you the most flexibility and as someone said earlier, the highest chance to jam on a single target.
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Stinger 21
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:10:00 -
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Originally by: BeachParty
Get A Rook
Some can use cloak to hide themselves... dont tell anybody...
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Dax Frey
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Posted - 2010.06.26 07:05:00 -
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I tried this once. found out you fail to jam things like curses...alot which are popular solo boats. and they kill you really really really fast. I have since switched to the curse. The Cynabal is good too. Oh i forgot to mention that if anything and i mean anything joins the fight... you are toast.
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