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Lester Mako
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Posted - 2003.06.27 14:49:00 -
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I would have had a difficult time imagining what happened to me last night until I lived it. I can't believe how low some corps will sink!
Me and a buddy were killing NPC convoys for loot (I know, not the best of time killing events) and during these exercises it takes a lot of firepower to kill 5 convoy ships and your string of loot cans can be spread out of 40 - 70 km at times. When we were killing the 4th convoy ship 3 members of a UK corp warped in and began approaching our 1st loot can. I couldn't believe my eyes! A corp stealing from another corp as a corp event! OMFG! And the corp's CEO was driving the INDY!! I warned him off and told him these were our loot cans and his excuse was "we left them here". Like 40km is abandoning my loot cans. BS! What happened then was a 2 hour Mexican Stand off over convoy loot in which we traded locks and heated words.
I will not mention the corp here, I don't wish to embarrass them further but when you see players looting a convoy, go some where else. Leave them be. The system is probably big enough for all of you and there's plenty of loot to be had for all.
Bottom line, don't make stealing a corp event. Farm your own loot for pete's sake.
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Silmaril
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Posted - 2003.06.27 14:57:00 -
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I can see the exchange now.....
-"Hey get off. those are my loot cans!!1"
-"Don't see your name on it"
-"But but but...."
Sounds like someone got burnt by another corps opportunistic, if slightly underhand, tactics.
(This post is meant in all good humour. I know it would suck cos the game mechanics leave you pretty helpless.)
"Do not waste your tears. I was not born to watch the world grow dim. Life is not measured in years, but by the deeds of men." |
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Posted - 2003.06.27 15:07:00 -
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I can see where that would be frustrating.
Last night, I picked an npc pirate off an indy mining the belt I was in. Before he had a chance to say thank you, he grabbed the loot the pirate dropped.
I was a little steamed at him, but he did say thanx and later repaid the favor. Luckily I didn't end up in a "Mexican standoff."
I don't see how raiding convoy cans as a corp event is much different than an espionage corp who sends its members out to join other corps, helps them become successful and then cleans them out (as recently happened to my corp)
Stealing is stealing. Unfortunately it's part of the game.
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Lester Mako
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Posted - 2003.06.27 15:09:00 -
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I can't accept stealing in any form...virtual or not.
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Blaxx
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Posted - 2003.06.27 15:15:00 -
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Lester you should have shot their ships up then. Otherwise stop moaning.
The ONLY answer to this problem is that YOU should be collecting the loot as you go, not leaving laying around. How is the game logic supposed to work out if you still want it or not?
Pick the stuff up or lose it!
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.06.27 15:20:00 -
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You should have shot and podded the CEO in the indy. If you've been good, that wouldn't have dropped your sec rating below an agent's ability to repair.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Scrapyard Jack
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Posted - 2003.06.27 15:20:00 -
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ehehehe!
t'ain't yours if it's floatin' in space, boyo!
Next time y'friends and yerself are poppin' indies, give ol' Scrapyard Jack a yell, he'll be happy to come'n (ahem) "guard" those wee cans, ehehehe!
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Toth Ravvor
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Posted - 2003.06.27 15:23:00 -
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Ok. I realize that killing npc's isn't exactly the same as stealing from players in a real life sense. But in terms of game role playing, weren't you just engaging in piracy? You stole from an npc corp, and then complain that a player corp steals from you?
I'd agree with the earlier comment - either collect your loot as you go, or protect your investment from those who would take it from you.
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Drefsab
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Posted - 2003.06.27 15:27:00 -
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One question, what on earth were you using to attack the convoys cos last time I tried it on my own all 5 cans were within 5km of each other. The I just sit in the middle of em waiting for the indi to pick up.
Also when that happens kill the can before they can steal :)
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Xane
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Posted - 2003.06.27 15:32:00 -
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The base problem is it is very hard to determine whose loot belongs to who, as there is no association unlike many other MMOGs where loot is kept on a monster corpse that can only be picked up by the person who slayed it.
It's what corporation war is all about, if you felt that strongly, declare war and pod them to hell, if they want to take it that far.
Otherwise engage one member to tag along picking up the loot.
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Cachorro Louco
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Posted - 2003.06.27 15:44:00 -
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My feelings on this subject:
1. If I warp in to someplace and there are containers along with a characters ship I will not loot those containers because I did not kill the NPCs that droped em. If the guy/gal says to take what I want then it is a different story.
2. If I warp into a someplace and a another characters ship is shooting at NPC pirates and an NPC pirate locks on me and I kill him, then the loot droped by that NPC pirate that I killed is mine.
I don't steal in Real Life and I sure wont start a bad habit in the Eve game now.
But that's just me.
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EndersGame
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Posted - 2003.06.27 15:51:00 -
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Bingo now I know where your name comes from Scrapyard Jack, it kept nagging at me and then BAM, you must play Independence War 2 :)
I love that game :)
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Buddy Bruehller
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Posted - 2003.06.27 16:03:00 -
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I see sometimes 2 convoys 40 away maybe that what he says.
To poster you should cheer up a bit. See 1 from 1 person who play griefer in game have the problem in real life. This there way of getting back at everyone who mean to them in real life.
Like boss yell at them because they dont do something right then they log on and try to mkae you feel same way they do. But see who cares because only great people say death before dishonor. So pirate or griefer would say it easy to be dishonor if it makes them feel strong again.
always griefer use word carebear
always dumb people use word nerd or egghead.
See where I go?
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Blaxx
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Posted - 2003.06.27 16:11:00 -
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I don't get it...
EVE is supposed to be a cross between coporate power struggles (with aggresive takeovers, corp. wars, fighting for dominance and resources, and all that that entails) and a new western frontier, with outlaws, robbers and no'er-do-good characters.
You guys must have known this was the flavour of the EVE universe before signing up. Therefore why complain now. If someone does something you don't like, then do something about it.
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Lester Mako
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Posted - 2003.06.27 16:17:00 -
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You're right Blaxx, you don't get it.
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Blaxx
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Posted - 2003.06.27 16:22:00 -
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So what in my last post was incorrect?
Oh go on then explain it to me..... I can't wait.
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Madcat UK
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Posted - 2003.06.27 16:32:00 -
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it happen to me as well...
got 3 npc pirats and in come a indy and take the loot
well that life ,next time have a buudy clearning up behind you.
Or maybe i done get it as well.
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Aerick Dawn
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Posted - 2003.06.27 16:38:00 -
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Well, I was there last night, and the utter stupidity the UK corp engaged in was beyond belief. We had about 10 corp members warp in to "Persuade" them otherwise.
I have no problem killing folks because they are stupid, it helps deepen the gene pool.
and speaking of pirating those convoys, NO, we were doing humanity a favor by destroying those evil Soil and Water hauling scumbags. You have no idea how unbeleivably evil they are.
Did you know that they use parapalegic children's biomass to fuel their Soil Furnaces? Bet you didnt!!!
Edited by: Aerick Dawn on 27/06/2003 16:39:28
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Lester Mako
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Posted - 2003.06.27 16:40:00 -
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Eve is very very very early in its evolution. I'm sure it hasn't reached its first level of potential as imagined by its developers. Now, with all the pod-killing, loot stealing, corp hanger clean outs, blockades, cargo ransoms, etc, etc, EVE is being ruined by many bands of punks killing, stealing, and such to see their names in print.
With this going on alot of players will become disillusioned because this is not what they imagined EVE would be. My EVE box doesn't say, "Work for weeks and get your stuff stolen" or "Hide from roving bands of thugs". Industrial players begin to quit, the ratio of pirates to builders increases, more industrial players quit, ratio increases even further. After 6 months who is left? Kids with Battleships! What a winderful game that will be?
If everyone began their fortunes and expanded their corps and empires before the began all the pirate crap, it would be far more fun later on. The wars would be bigger, grander, killing on massive scales.
There is a general lack of vision in the dark side of this game. You guys want it all now instead of waiting for the pie to increase dramatically later.
Miner, Seller of Minerals, Father |
Aras
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Posted - 2003.06.27 17:15:00 -
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If I see someone going for my loot. I lock them. If they take the loot. I fire.
**I'm a flower, watch me blossom... and kill** |
Drefsab
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Posted - 2003.06.27 17:22:00 -
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the problem being there were several of his corps ships.. if knew I couldnt take em in a fight I would have killed all the cans so they wasted their time
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Drefsab
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Posted - 2003.06.27 17:22:00 -
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*Edit* Double Post
Edited by: Drefsab on 27/06/2003 17:24:29
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Aerick Dawn
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Posted - 2003.06.27 17:28:00 -
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I think the "Fear" of pirates have more to do with the problem than the actual pirating. How many of you can see that you've been pirated today? Fear spreads like wildfire through the forums, which now becomes a huge problem.
I think many of the "Mega" corps out their really need to grow some nuts and kick some butt, make threats, etc. But they hide behind their boring "Let's Make Cruisers and Dominate Economy" and "Let's have a Neutrality Treaty with the Pirates", wow thats fun!
Jesus christ you cowards, this isn't Star Trek where we should have a "Meeting" to discuss the problem as a torpedo slams into our hull. Lock and Load, and give em a taste of the apocalypse...
Watching the Terminator level a building is a hell of a lot more entertaining than reading the Wall Street Journal from front to back.
Lester and I are both WW2OL players, so we do get a little trigger happy(not in a pirating way). I think more of this is needed in the game.
Whoa, that turned into a rant. Yay my first.. :)
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Aerick Dawn
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Posted - 2003.06.27 17:28:00 -
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double post..Whoops
Edited by: Aerick Dawn on 27/06/2003 17:28:52
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Grand Negus
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Posted - 2003.06.27 18:19:00 -
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Hmm it seems you have an inaccurate term for what this corp did. You termed it "stealing" we in the Ferengi Alliance use "100% profit" as the correct term. If you do not have the power to retain what you feel is yours then rest assured we will sell it back to you ;) |
M0RPHEUS
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Posted - 2003.06.27 18:31:00 -
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bah msg me next time, ill come and squeeze sume nutz0rs :P
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Aerick Dawn
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Posted - 2003.06.27 19:20:00 -
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Grand, in the past our payments have come directly out of the offender's ship, or corps ships. Also, considering the wonderful future the biomass market seems to be heading to, we take their biomass as payment as well.
If the corp does not want to pay back in ships/biomass, other terms can be arranged.
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Graah
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Posted - 2003.06.27 19:31:00 -
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Seriously, if they outnumber you and they start approaching one of the containers then lock it and blow it away.
After that lock on them. If they move towards the next can lock it and remove it from the equation.
Better to have your effort have been in vain than to let someone else profit from your effort.
Unfortunate that there are so many players out there who haven't a shred of honor to their name.
There's also the slim chance that they believed what they said, depending on how long it took them to go get an Indy and come back. Highly unlikely though, the numbers just wouldn't add up.
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Main
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Posted - 2003.06.27 19:43:00 -
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You saw a load of ships stealing your loot and all you did was lock on to him, if that is the case, you deserve your loot to be stolen. You should of destroyed and podded them all, i suppose you could always post their corporation name in here and let some nice fellows in here do it for you.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.06.27 19:45:00 -
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Again:
1) Destroy Industrial containing CEO.
2) Pod CEO.
3) Visit agent to repair sec hit.
No fuss, no muss
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
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