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Roshin Lokel
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Posted - 2010.06.25 04:34:00 -
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I like the fact that people THINK they can tell someone to stop whining and to STFU if they dont like it to leave the game and them alone. No offense to you guys but I can argue with you all day about who has the right to whine and who doesnt but the fact remains this is a forum. Meaning an exchange of ideas and expressions. People have just as much right to whine and ***** as you do to tell them not to. The fact remains you can tell them to STFU and leave but they can say the same to you. You don't realize by preaching to whiners you are whining yourself. If someone wishes to ***** at CCP let them....its their right and choice to. You may tell them to STFU all you want but the fact remains they can tell you the same.
If you wish to kiss CCP and all other MMO's asses then go ahead but don't confront someone just because you don't like what they say about this game, because they may tell you if you don't like reading it to STFU and turn YOUR computer off. CCP amdits that this is a record DT, NO ONE I dont give a **** who you are planned on the DT lasting 30 hours....20 maybe 23 perhaps. CCP does have stupid moments such as the time they tried to screw with the DB and make main times shorter while it was live on a sunday mid day. First you dont **** with DB on a busy day to **** off a lot of people and second you dont do it middle of a day, do it after DT or before. At the very least send an in-game message that some play with DG will be going on. So what happened? well it crashed and stayed down for 4 hours. This has been THE WORST Dt in eve history and it won't be the last either. Perhaps before we start to ***** at whiners we realize we ourselves are whining in the process. Perhaps when you stop to think that you can let them vent and go watch a movie instead of confronting. |
ObviousTroll Alt
Gallente Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2010.06.25 04:47:00 -
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Edited by: ObviousTroll Alt on 25/06/2010 04:59:58 Edited by: ObviousTroll Alt on 25/06/2010 04:50:06
Originally by: Roshin Lokel Mindless drivel
What part of "we are MOVING THE SERVERS TO A NEW DATA CENTER and adding new hardware" did you miss? Do you understand what that means? ADDING new hardware (to a Windows database and installation - Windows is notorious for disliking hardware changes). If they had just moved the cluster physically and plugged everything back in the way it was, I am sure, it would have fired up and worked just fine. But they also added to hardware, that had to be added to the DB and OS code. Sometimes stuff just happens and the DB apparently took a dislike to the new hardware and said "nope, not gonna run" at which point, about all you can do is figure out what piece(s) of code, in potentially millions of lines of code, is causing you issues.
If it is more than one, you have to work back from x to a and fix each piece that is throwing an error, and then test them to make sure they are not causing other bits of code to throw an error. This takes *gasp* time.
The EULA is pretty clear in that it states CCP doesn't have to reimburse you for a damn thing, if the servers go down, or stay down for an unexpected length of time. It is not CCP's responsibility to make sure you train a long skill. That is your responsibility. Any failure on your part to expect the worst, where computers upgrades and moves come in, is just that YOUR FAILURE.
CCP is being generous in giving us a cookie, when they don't have to. And, as an addendum to this post, read this, particulalry the underlined parts.
# 12 NO WARRANTIES The Software, System, Game and all Game Content, and all other services and material provided in connection therewith, are provided "AS IS," with all faults, and without warranty of any kind. You assume all risk of use and all risk associated with accessing the System and playing the Game.
CCP disclaims all warranties, whether express or implied, including without limitation the warranties of merchantability, fitness for particular purpose and non-infringement. There is no warranty against interference with your enjoyment of the Game. CCP does not warrant that the operation of the System or your access to the System, or that your use of the Software, will be uninterrupted or error-free, nor that the System or Software will be compatible with your hardware and software.
While CCP attempts to have the System available at most times, CCP does not guarantee that the System will always be available, or that the System will not become unavailable during Game play. The System may become unavailable for a number of reasons, including without limitation during the performance of maintenance to the System, for the implementation of new software, for emergency situations and due to equipment or telecommunications failures. |
Roshin Lokel
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Posted - 2010.06.25 05:03:00 -
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What part of I DONT CARE dont you understand....this however gives you no reason to confront everyone who wants to whine. If they want to waste their time doing it that is their business not yours. Personally I dont give a **** what CCP did or how long it took, but during that time if I wanted to whine about it thats entirely my time to do as I please and you telling me not to isnt going to change that. |
ObviousTroll Alt
Gallente Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2010.06.25 05:29:00 -
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Edited by: ObviousTroll Alt on 25/06/2010 05:30:22
Originally by: Roshin Lokel What part of I DONT CARE dont you understand....this however gives you no reason to confront everyone who wants to whine. If they want to waste their time doing it that is their business not yours. Personally I dont give a **** what CCP did or how long it took, but during that time if I wanted to whine about it thats entirely my time to do as I please and you telling me not to isnt going to change that.
Of course it isn't going to change it. Your feelings are yours to express as you want, even when they are utterly futile and you have no basis or technical right to whine due to agreeing to the EULA when you clicked accept, and fired EVE up for the first time. That people still whine just shows that they have a faulty sense of entitlement and a poor understanding of the important things of life, which an online game, or how long it is up or down and unplayable, isn't.
If I consider that pathetic and sad, that is also my right to do so. The difference is, I recognize the important things in life and those whining and acting like their world came to en end when the servers didn't fire up when they wanted them to, don't seem to be doing the same.
Now then. I am going to go take a walk on the Beach with my wife, and spend a little quality time with her because that is what is important in MY life, and an online game, while enjoyable, and fun, isn't. |
Sagacious Z
Minmatar Megaton m3 Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2010.06.25 05:38:00 -
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The gift is really not necessary IMO. Your team does a great job and based on my hours played, it sure looks like I appreciate and enjoy your game. Stuff happens in complex databases and code--no problem. Without problems, it would mean the game is too simple and thus I would not be an annual subscriber.
Now...... instead of the gift, how about a security status column is asset search? How about query selections in contracts by region to screen and sort by m3, number of jumps, et al? I could think of tons of requests that all center on expanded query ability and sorting ability that would really improve game play.
But hey,...that's for another thread. |
Lagoz
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Posted - 2010.06.25 06:07:00 -
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Edited by: Lagoz on 25/06/2010 06:07:52 Since they don't reimburse the lost days by giving free gametime I think something needs to be given to the players who took a "major" hit during the downtime. Two days downtime doesn't seem like much to veterans who need several months to empty their skill queue but it did awful things to new players whom could only max out on 24-26hours queues, not to mention a lot of the new players weren't aware of the possible upcoming downtime and didn't filled their queues before it. In aspect it's not a huge deal,but for new players it's SERIOUS BUSINESS ;)
By giving something back for the lost time, I feel very satisfied. |
Sujanra Acoma
Minmatar Shadow Kitty Legion
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Posted - 2010.06.25 06:17:00 -
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Originally by: Sagacious Z The gift is really not necessary IMO. Your team does a great job and based on my hours played, it sure looks like I appreciate and enjoy your game. Stuff happens in complex databases and code--no problem. Without problems, it would mean the game is too simple and thus I would not be an annual subscriber.
Now...... instead of the gift, how about a security status column is asset search? How about query selections in contracts by region to screen and sort by m3, number of jumps, et al? I could think of tons of requests that all center on expanded query ability and sorting ability that would really improve game play.
But hey,...that's for another thread.
The Assembly Hall is over there. |
Nathan Omarr
Amarr Special Deliveries Inc.
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Posted - 2010.06.25 06:31:00 -
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Edited by: Nathan Omarr on 25/06/2010 06:33:41
Originally by: Glospey Edited by: Glospey on 25/06/2010 03:45:51
Originally by: Nathan Omarr As a trader I have to ask: Will we be able to contract these skillpoints?
I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Your post is amusing but also has scary implications. I would be VERY disappointed in CCP if they made it another game where whomever has the most cash "wins". Not so disappointed I'd stop playing though. I'm addicted :P
Originally by: Furionsavage Thanks a lot CCP. Not many people understand the hard work you guys put in to keeping the server online. And hopefully the free gift isn't going to be some almost useless frigate with a "unique" probe launcher on it.
It looks like some sort of hauler. I'll put a link here for you ;)
Primae
I wasn't being serious about it, however, I think Eve Online already is about who got the most money, wins - apart from the the longer you've paid your subscription the more likely you'll win due to more Skillpoints. True enough, the initial speed up with new characters was a step in equalizing. However, turn it how you want it, Eve is about power and the largest source for that is, like in real life, money. |
Lethal Lisel
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Posted - 2010.06.25 07:40:00 -
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Too Err Is Human......To Really Foul Things Up Takes A Computer..... But To Reign Biblical Type Destruction Upon Others Requires Server's
Guys, no matter what precautions one takes, Murphey is but one click, or one step away. So CCP had some problems, Neh, So some of us lost some training time (neh, out of 5 characters I lost a total of 34 training hours out of 3 of them) My Fault, should of planned better, had a brain f**t and instead of doing what I have done so in the past, this time I didn't and I get bitten on the butt for it. S**t happens. I can appreciate the difficulty of moving an expansive game such as EVE from one set of servers to another (and why were they doing it in the first place some may ask, maybe, just maybe, to improve upon the performance lag issues most complain about) So we lost a day or so from our favorite game, big deal, it will have given you time to get reaquainted with somethings in your life you may have been missing out on, like partner (I'm married?? Damn....where's she been hiding??) the dog (where's the dog??.....why is there a hole under the fence??) Kids (I don't have any, but some of you might do, and yes I know, you hate them cause they beat you at this too ) Work even ( I know I had a job somewhere, I just don't remember where exactly, some place called Jita maybe??) Anyways, the point is, don't stress, It's a game to help you relax, unwind, get away from it for a while (an in some cases you needed the downtime to have a shower, the kills you were getting were not because of leet skills, but because the stench was killing everything for 4.5 AU!!)
Anyways just chill, accept what CCP offer you in repatriation for your lost game time (knowing they didn't have too, but were kind enough to do so) and have a good bash this weekend in the safe knowledge (fingers crossed) that most of the hassles and issues were solved by the port over to new servers.
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Sheikhah Rayna
Amarr Flying While Intoxicated Threshold Republic
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Posted - 2010.06.25 07:48:00 -
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I can't wait for the instructions to use the extra pool of skill points that is going to be hot dropped into my account, and I am also looking forward to this gift that is coming. |
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TheBlueMonkey
Gallente Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.25 07:52:00 -
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You've never done this in the past so why do it now? Those stupid enough not to set a skill fail.
Sounds like more softening in eve :( |
Jason Rutland
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Posted - 2010.06.25 08:06:00 -
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OH MY GOD
eve logged me out and I was in the middle of PI and now server is unknown
What the hell is going on thought CCP had sorted this out and if they have'nt wish they would its so annoying when you are in the middle of something and you lose connection to eve for no apparent reason.
CCP please sorted this out asap and know you have had a tough few days
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Flamehaired Death
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Posted - 2010.06.25 08:06:00 -
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Edited by: Flamehaired Death on 25/06/2010 08:12:17 Impressive. Once up the new setup stayed live for 16 hours before crashing 3 hours before normal downtime.
I assume they will stay down to fix whatever that was -- either early hardware burn out (since CCP doesn't seem to be the type of company that would thoroughly stress test new hardware before putting it into service) or some issue from on the previous "on the fly" configuration fix at changeover. We can only hope they didn't blow a part that needs a long ordering and shipping process nor corrupt a database that has yet to be backed up in an easily restored fashion.
CCP is unfortunately very optimistic about major system changes and correspondingly very conservative about putting resources and planning into the system prior to change to sort out issues before committing to change.
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Joe Astor
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2010.06.25 08:09:00 -
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Originally by: TheBlueMonkey You've never done this in the past so why do it now? Those stupid enough not to set a skill fail.
Sounds like more softening in eve :(
Previous unexpected downtimes never lasted for up to/over a day perhaps? Read the news center post carefully...in particular paragraphs 2 and 3.
And there are always whiners, if you've been on EVE or the forums for more than a week, you'd know this.
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Flamehaired Death
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Posted - 2010.06.25 08:35:00 -
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Edited by: Flamehaired Death on 25/06/2010 08:40:32 Edited by: Flamehaired Death on 25/06/2010 08:36:17 To put things into perspective CCP is extremely good at the routine daily maintenance and the routine software patches. Software is surprisingly free of minor bugs and clumsy implementation. Probably because they do test each software patch on a test server with player support. Occasionally you will see some signs that perhaps not all patches for a major revision were tested together - but not often.
Thus the big show stopper issues at changeover are mostly probably a reflection of using a generic test server which does not closely resemble the production server. Thus CCP is unable to dry run complex configuration of hardware and major software components nor test performance issues via modeling/emulation/simulation that includes individual component performance.
This situation is usually a sign of very fiscally conservative management which prefers to substitute optimism for money in ensuring a smooth changeover. You almost always get this when there is no concrete penalty for downtime.
Using a generic server probably saves 50 cents to a dollar on monthly subscription costs. I doubt many people would spend an extra 1 dollar per month so that CCP had two complete production ready environments with one to be test server. But if CCP did -- then changeovers would mean simply loading the test server with new data and then swapping which server is production and which test server.
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Booker Tiggs
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Posted - 2010.06.25 08:40:00 -
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I am just glad to see it is all up again :)
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Dirty Snipe
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Posted - 2010.06.25 08:48:00 -
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I see they are adding extra skill points to people that were training skills..
But the problem is what about the peoples skills that had stoped due to the extended downtime??
What is happening to those people??
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Killerb33
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Posted - 2010.06.25 08:54:00 -
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Originally by: Dirty Snipe
What is happening to those people??
They die a slow and gruesome death.
Seriously, I see a lot of ppl typing stuff as "all I read here are tears and complains" well... read again!! There are comic posts between them aswell! Keep moral up ***gots!
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Guy Delbane
Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.06.25 09:32:00 -
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OK! Here we go again, green eyed monsters and all........
rather than complain about those who had skills training getting something, try to focus on the fact that you who didn't are getting something you other wise would not.
There is no need to go all... but but but they had skills in their que..... they shouldn't get what I am getting.
Now excuse me, the alternative is that you would have gotten nothing and those with skills in their ques would have gotten the same amount of more than you at any rate, so suck it up and be glad that you are receiving some compensation for the added downtime.
IMO CCP Is handling this in the correct way, by giving the same to all, regardless of it being a trial or a full account, regardless of whether or not you were training all the way through the down time.
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Skyreth
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Posted - 2010.06.25 09:57:00 -
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Guys (and girls) get a life xD CCP has done a great job with the completely UNFORESEEN problems that have arisen. My thanks to the team that worked on the issues to get everything up and running so soon. Perhaps the CCP team could go teach SOE how to do things?
Thanks for the added present, but since it was a pure accident, i don't see why you would need to offer us something...i mean, besides the trolls that complain.
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Angeliq
Minmatar Viam Veritatis
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Posted - 2010.06.25 10:50:00 -
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"we will give an extra pool of skillpoints ... This skillpoint pool will be appropriately sized for the downtime time frame, ... regardless of character attributes/implants"
WTF is this sheet?!?!
With a remap and +5 implants I get more SP in one day than what CCP will give me, not to mention the PLAY TIME I could`ve used to do stuff or make isk.
CCP you`re still screwing with us!
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VelvetHarlot
Amarr Star Frontiers Talos Coalition
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Posted - 2010.06.25 10:54:00 -
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i loled Awesomeness |
Inquisitor Xandros
Amarr LIQUID ASSET MINING Collegium Amarria
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Posted - 2010.06.25 11:06:00 -
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No complaints from me.
It is only a few days lost, lets face it, it's not the end of the world. Real men hull tank. |
Khors
Amtek Inc
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Posted - 2010.06.25 11:07:00 -
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Originally by: Dirty Snipe
But the problem is what about the peoples skills that had stoped due to the extended downtime??
What is happening to those people??
Hopefully those people learned a lesson to read the messages from ccp asking to set a long skilltraining.
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EnForceR Zealot
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Posted - 2010.06.25 11:12:00 -
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Nice work! Respect to CCP!
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Drondika
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Posted - 2010.06.25 11:21:00 -
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Allright CCP so you had a total of 31 hours downtime over the past 2 days, and your making compensation which is good. But seriously is there any need for a daily downtime..... and right in the middle of the day too. I mean if it carries on all this downtime then I may migrate back to WoW
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Esus Ionhar
m3 Corp R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.06.25 11:24:00 -
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To those that are moaning that players who had skills training for all the DT, think of it like this.
Are you personally any worse off as a result of the lost training time but getting the bonus?
Assuming the SP reward from CCP is reasonable, then no. You may even be better off than if the DT had gone as planned.
So those with full skill plans end up with more SP as a result compared to you. They could quite easily have done the same by always using +5s or just by starting playing a day earlier.á
Who cares what happens to others. Just focus on what the effect on you is.á
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Atrocia
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Posted - 2010.06.25 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: Drondika .... I mean if it carries on all this downtime then I may migrate back to WoW
You do that.
Of course there is a need for it, otherwise they wouldn't have done this for the past 7 years! Also you noticed that this downtime was a HARDWARE MOVE? It's not like some regular downtime went haywire.
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Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
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Posted - 2010.06.25 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: Drondika I mean if it carries on all this downtime then I may migrate back to WoW
Oh no... Trolls? In my EVE forums? It's more likely than you think... |
The Wicked1
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Posted - 2010.06.25 12:39:00 -
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Originally by: Halcyon Ingenium
Originally by: Drondika I mean if it carries on all this downtime then I may migrate back to WoW
Oh no...
My thoughts exactly.. one less WoW-er
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