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letmeon
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:34:00 -
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I posted a topic on how to solo pvp a while back, after a week of attempting it was a big fail.
Is it viable to do this.
It involves 50mil, a bunch of noob ships, me in a one person corp, a small industrial corporation, and a spy alt.
I think you know the rest, but will this work?
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ElJo123
Accompanied By Unicorns
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:46:00 -
[2]
Originally by: letmeon
It involves 50mil, a bunch of noob ships, me in a one person corp, a small industrial corporation, and a spy alt.
I think you know the rest
no
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CCP Wrangler

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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:32:00 -
[3]
Tranquility is currently up in test mode and we expect to be live at 16:00 UTC, more information on what happened will arrive shortly.
Wrangler Senior Community Manager CCP Hf, EVE Online Contact us
If it's stupid but works, it isn't stupid. |
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Gladys Pank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:33:00 -
[4]
First and ♥
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Shebeth
Caldari TABOU and co. Argos council
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:33:00 -
[5]
\o/
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Taxesarebad
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:33:00 -
[6]
Edited by: Taxesarebad on 24/06/2010 15:33:44 yay 3rd yet most important. AND no rush i have 3-4 days left in the skill que
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Lt Al3x3i
ROMANIA Renegades Legiunea ROmana
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:33:00 -
[7]
What it the problem ?? Pac pac |

whatisinthisbox
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:33:00 -
[8]
o//
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Esharan
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:33:00 -
[9]
Edited by: Esharan on 24/06/2010 15:33:37 6th?
O.K... Well what do we get :)
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Literia
Minmatar Labyrinth Engineering Annwn Matari
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:33:00 -
[10]
Thanks for the update
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GreaseMonkeyAlt
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:34:00 -
[11]
yaaaaay
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RoCkEt X
Hostile. PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:34:00 -
[12]
fapping has initiated
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Grohalmatar
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:34:00 -
[13]
Extended Downtime - what an understatement.
Anyway, hope you guys get it sorted soon. |

James Tritanius
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:34:00 -
[14]
yay 31 hours!
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Flynn Fetladral
BlackSite Prophecy
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:34:00 -
[15]
W00tie Tootie <3
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Nikal Vaszol
Cruentus Invicta
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:34:00 -
[16]
Thank you for the update.
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Joba'Set
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:34:00 -
[17]
hmmm 30 min I will take odds on that
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:34:00 -
[18]
Edited by: Blane Xero on 24/06/2010 15:35:04 I'm thinking it was something like this: Ruh-Roh _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout Been there. Done that. Need antibiotics.
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Feebis Gruina
Tech 2 Enterprise
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:35:00 -
[19]
Dont bother posting or updating, forums will be going down at 16:30UTC and will be back in the next 24 :F
TQ is scheduled to be back online in 2011.
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Admiral Marlowe
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:35:00 -
[20]
\0/
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Dusty Meg
Shock-Wave Industrys Astro Lux Aedificatiae
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:35:00 -
[21]
Were nearly there 
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Low Dawg
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:35:00 -
[22]
SWEET
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Captain Pompous
Is Right Even When He's Wrong So Deal With It
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:35:00 -
[23]
Chop chop, please  ---
☻♥ Problem? Therapy sessions ♥☻ |

Ceralio
The Carebear Stare Hydroponic Zone
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:36:00 -
[24]
\o/
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RaTTuS
BIG Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:36:00 -
[25]
It's just like to Good old Days of TQ, brings back memories --
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Troll o'Ninetails
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:37:00 -
[26]
Originally by: CCP Wrangler we expect to be live at 16:00 UTC
What day sir, if I may ask? X ♥ VOTE TROLL ♥ |

SFShootme
The Carebear Stare Hydroponic Zone
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:37:00 -
[27]
Edited by: SFShootme on 24/06/2010 15:37:33 Well that took a bit...
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Hanneshannes
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:37:00 -
[28]
I had originally planned to finish up some short skills but forgot to switch. Now I'm glad I'm training large pulse spec 5.
I too would like to know what happened =P I didn't try to get on Eve yesterday as I kinda expected it to last at least until 1 or 2am but when I came home from work today and still saw it offline, I was a little annoyed.
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Genya Arikaido
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:37:00 -
[29]
Someone lost the central router's power cable. 
Originally by: CCP Tuxford my bad.
Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
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Ms Kat
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:38:00 -
[30]
Thanks for the update
Now my view on what might of happened.
Someone let rip in the new air tight air conditioned server room, and the lack of chemical suits made it impossible for the tech's to work without gavomiting (gagging/vomiting)
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Xaroth Brook
Minmatar BIG Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:38:00 -
[31]
It's also highly amusing to see how addicted people get to a chat client with spaceship backgrounds..
but then again, i'm just as addicted as the rest...
Xaroth Brook BIG www.big-eve.com
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Concubinia Scarlett
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:38:00 -
[32]
Requesting more downtime plz. I've almost repaired my eve-slaved dysfunctional RL relationship in the past day. 
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Pvt Stash
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:38:00 -
[33]
Accounts? ...open Passwords? ...set Bulgy-eyed staring post-DT connect button twitch? ...affirmative

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Maxsim Goratiev
Gallente Imperial Tau Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:39:00 -
[34]
Fibally!
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firestrm
Cow Boys From HeII The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:40:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Troll o'Ninetails
Originally by: CCP Wrangler we expect to be live at 16:00 UTC
What day sir, if I may ask?
I'm not so sure they ment the 24th...maybe 16:00 UTC on the 25th?
I don't understand why your so mad at me? Your mom said you were such a nice person... |

Cosmokrator
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:41:00 -
[36]
Requesting more downtime plz. I've almost repaired my eve-slaved dysfunctional RL relationship in the past day.
I am laughing my ar*e off..............   
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Nara Imperium
Gallente Abyssus Tempestas
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:41:00 -
[37]
Originally by: firestrm
Originally by: Troll o'Ninetails
Originally by: CCP Wrangler we expect to be live at 16:00 UTC
What day sir, if I may ask?
I'm not so sure they ment the 24th...maybe 16:00 UTC on the 25th?
Of which year?
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Ruby Khann
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:42:00 -
[38]
Last time you gave us a deadline, you missed it by 24 hours.
Can we expect the servers to be up tomorrow then?
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oolk
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:42:00 -
[39]
I hope a certain GM that I will keep the name silent wasnt part of that switch...but right now it certainly look like he was 
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Sammael Nightish
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:42:00 -
[40]
THE REAL TRUTH Okay û someone DID leave the door to the hamster tenements unlatched (or the little buggers had a duplicate key). All of the hamsters have been tracked down and returned (with the exception of Harriet and Henry, whose adventures were most, uh, disturbing). Unfortunately, amid all the excitement attendant upon the Great Hamster Diaspora, one KEY component of the new construction was overlooked insofar as its effect upon the enthusiastically emigrating workforce (hamsters) was concerned; to wit, air conditioning. Negotiations are currently under way between the chronically caring parent organization and the hamsters regarding the availability and use of hamster mufflers, hamster watch caps, hamster mittens and, of course, hamster booties. There is NO truth to the rumor that a foreign element has infiltrated the mix (led by a hamster with the unlikely name of ôHoldenö) since the initial escape, and cries of ôHow many extra goals do we need to score?ö are undoubtedly badly-translated bits of pidgin Hamsterese mixed with gibberish on the part of other reporters. Further bulletins as events warrant. Your obedient Correspondent.
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Troll o'Ninetails
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:42:00 -
[41]
Originally by: firestrm
Originally by: Troll o'Ninetails
Originally by: CCP Wrangler we expect to be live at 16:00 UTC
What day sir, if I may ask?
I'm not so sure they ment the 24th...maybe 16:00 UTC on the 25th?
I can totally live with that. My girlfriend is coming over. I deposit time into her for two days by not playing eve, she gives me no concerns the other 28 days I play eve. X ♥ VOTE TROLL ♥ |

Tus
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:46:00 -
[42]
Lets get a round of those cool looking polaris frigates for everyone! :P
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Biterno Sintaph
Gallente Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:46:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Troll o'Ninetails I can totally live with that. My girlfriend is coming over. I deposit time into her for two days by not playing eve, she gives me no concerns the other 28 days I play eve.
Oh, is that what they call it now? 
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Jovian Dax
Caldari The First Order Consortium.
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:46:00 -
[44]
thinks the Chinese hamsters were defective and are switching back to the lazy European models at least the work... <a href="https://eve-search.com/externalLink.asp?l=http%3A%2F%2Fs938%2Ephotobucket%2Ecom%2Falbums%2Fad228%2Fthomasmlinek%2F%3Faction%3Dview%26current%3Dsig1copy1%2Egif" target="_blank"><img src="http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/ad228/thomasmlinek/sig1copy1.gif" border |

Nacod Huot
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:48:00 -
[45]
atleast I had footy to keep me busy
\o/ .| / \o
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Taint
Caldari Knights Of Divinity Reckoning.
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:49:00 -
[46]
we expect to be up and running at 22:00 UTC friday, more information on what happened will arrive in due time
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Fat Uncle
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:49:00 -
[47]
Hurf Blurf! Actually I wish I hadn't been too lazy to update my skill queues, but otherwise: carry on.
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HottyChick
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:49:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Nara Imperium
Originally by: firestrm
Originally by: Troll o'Ninetails
Originally by: CCP Wrangler we expect to be live at 16:00 UTC
What day sir, if I may ask?
I'm not so sure they ment the 24th...maybe 16:00 UTC on the 25th?
Of which year?
Which CENTURY? 
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starbar
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:50:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Fat Uncle Hurf Blurf! Actually I wish I hadn't been too lazy to update my skill queues, but otherwise: carry on.
I don't think it matters. Looks like a rollback. Can we get some clarification, CCP?
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Killahchick
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:50:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Troll o'Ninetails I can totally live with that. My girlfriend is coming over. I deposit time into her for two days by not playing eve, she gives me no concerns the other 28 days I play eve.
Yo, those where the two days I got for playing eve after 28 of slaving to the Queen of Pain. I'm gonna die crying. Or something. 
(J/K)
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Zarioh
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:51:00 -
[51]
Ten mins left till it is 16:00 utc
Well, i hope they wont extend it, as i am already annoyed =.=
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Hanneshannes
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:52:00 -
[52]
Originally by: starbar
Originally by: Fat Uncle Hurf Blurf! Actually I wish I hadn't been too lazy to update my skill queues, but otherwise: carry on.
I don't think it matters. Looks like a rollback. Can we get some clarification, CCP?
My char is still training the skills I set it to train and it has only counted down so far.
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ahall
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:52:00 -
[53]
chances are they will :(
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Ovella
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:52:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Tus Lets get a round of those cool looking polaris frigates for everyone! :P
And what would be the point of having polaris frigate if you have no skill to fly it?  |

HoWaa
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:53:00 -
[55]
ccp ruined my life for 1 day
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Nikal Vaszol
Cruentus Invicta
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:54:00 -
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Originally by: Hanneshannes
Originally by: starbar
Originally by: Fat Uncle Hurf Blurf! Actually I wish I hadn't been too lazy to update my skill queues, but otherwise: carry on.
I don't think it matters. Looks like a rollback. Can we get some clarification, CCP?
My char is still training the skills I set it to train and it has only counted down so far.
There isn't a rollback, my skills are fine, the skill finish time is exactly the same as it was before the DT.
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Tus
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:54:00 -
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Originally by: Ovella
Originally by: Tus Lets get a round of those cool looking polaris frigates for everyone! :P
And what would be the point of having polaris frigate if you have no skill to fly it? 
Okay, A round of special issue polaris frigs with a special issue skill? ;)
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Yin Chan
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:54:00 -
[58]
Writing in the epic thread. Go-go CCP, I hope you will keep supplying your ops with beer until TQ will be up!
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Fiadman Fiad
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:55:00 -
[59]
AS i could read in the dev post, about they were going to do, believe me it would NEVER EVER EVER take only 6 hours.
That was a job that would take at least 4 days. Fail CCP of not telling so to the customers.
All they had to do was: "Hey we are going to get better servers! It will take 5 days."
Some ppl would complain but at least they wouldnt have 300.000 ppl rage-posting on their forums.
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HottyChick
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:55:00 -
[60]
6 mins to go!
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Stormmaster Neptunius
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:55:00 -
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Edited by: Stormmaster Neptunius on 24/06/2010 15:56:58 Eh, I only had a skill that had slightly more than 24 hours left when the DT started. It finished at 09:40 a.m. UTC. Slept less than 3 hours this night hoping to catch the moment to update the queue. I know, I am completely crazy about training skills. So far I have been unable to forgive myself missing about 20 minutes once when I was a new player (there was no skill queue by then).
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Jovian Dax
Caldari The First Order Consortium.
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:56:00 -
[62]
Cache cleared. |

Hanneshannes
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:57:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Stormmaster Neptunius Eh, I only had a skill that was slightly longer than 24 hours when the DT started. It finished at 09:40 a.m. UTC. Slept less than 3 hours this night hoping to catch the moment to update the queue. I know, I am completely crazy about training skills. So far I have been unable to forgive myself missing about 20 minutes once when I was a new player (there was no skill queue by then).
Easiest way to avoid this is to get training for any racial BS when they announce and set lvl5 when the server goes down =P
There are enough skills that take ages, so this can be repeated. Or train all skills to lvl4.
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Zeddicus Jaeger
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:57:00 -
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\o/ Wait till everyone joins the server at once and crashes it! :P
Thanks for your hard work CCP, hope it'll be worth it. \o/
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Aslan Inbarr
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:58:00 -
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Originally by: Stormmaster Neptunius Eh, I only had a skill that was slightly longer than 24 hours when the DT started. It finished at 09:40 a.m. UTC. Slept less than 3 hours this night hoping to catch the moment to update the queue. I know, I am completely crazy about training skills. So far I have been unable to forgive myself missing about 20 minutes once when I was a new player (there was no skill queue by then).
For myself, I kind of saw this coming and loaded an 8 day train. I would like to get my colonies going again though.
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Olympustopiman
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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:00:00 -
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Yes. I would prefer to hear "2 or 3 days" and be happily surprised if they completed it earlier. Sitting at a computer all day to see the projected times come and go, the carrot being pulled further and further ahead of me was frustrating. It was the only day off I had dedicated to seeking out my WT friends for an ambush! Now loosing skill times because I trusted them and did not have longer ones training.
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Apolluon
Gallente No Limit Productions Looney Toons.
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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:00:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Aslan Inbarr
Originally by: Stormmaster Neptunius Eh, I only had a skill that was slightly longer than 24 hours when the DT started. It finished at 09:40 a.m. UTC. Slept less than 3 hours this night hoping to catch the moment to update the queue. I know, I am completely crazy about training skills. So far I have been unable to forgive myself missing about 20 minutes once when I was a new player (there was no skill queue by then).
For myself, I kind of saw this coming and loaded an 8 day train. I would like to get my colonies going again though.
In all reality, being that the database was physically offline for this long, i would hope time isnt passing ingame, or theres gonna be a lot of ****ed off POSes and colonies when we go live.
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Libin Herobi
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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: Fiadman Fiad AS i could read in the dev post, about they were going to do, believe me it would NEVER EVER EVER take only 6 hours.
That was a job that would take at least 4 days. Fail CCP of not telling so to the customers.
All they had to do was: "Hey we are going to get better servers! It will take 5 days."
Some ppl would complain but at least they wouldnt have 300.000 ppl rage-posting on their forums.
Now why do I think you did not really read that blog? Oh, I remember: because it said they would move the servers and not get new ones... 
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LouLou Belle
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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:02:00 -
[69]
Exactly 17.00 and it's up... and I'm in ! Timed right for a change. :)
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Mamba Lev
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:02:00 -
[70]
Oh look 16:01..
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ahall
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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:02:00 -
[71]
OMG ITS WORKING
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Jovian Dax
Caldari The First Order Consortium.
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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:03:00 -
[72]
its just so funny how many people cry about skill time lost READ THE EULA!! and also think about it every patch or upgrade they do TRAIN A SKILL THAT GOES FOR 3 OR MORE DAYS!! then guess what you will have no skill time lost no reason to cry in forums and all is well. <a href="https://eve-search.com/externalLink.asp?l=http%3A%2F%2Fs938%2Ephotobucket%2Ecom%2Falbums%2Fad228%2Fthomasmlinek%2F%3Faction%3Dview%26current%3Dsig1copy1%2Egif" target="_blank"><img src="http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/ad228/thomasmlinek/sig1copy1.gif" border |

TheSlaveMaster
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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:03:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Troll o'Ninetails
Originally by: firestrm
Originally by: Troll o'Ninetails
Originally by: CCP Wrangler we expect to be live at 16:00 UTC
What day sir, if I may ask?
I'm not so sure they ment the 24th...maybe 16:00 UTC on the 25th?
I can totally live with that. My girlfriend is coming over. I deposit time into her for two days by not playing eve, she gives me no concerns the other 28 days I play eve.
It's funny cus your trolling and thereby dont have a gf <3
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hoodie scaryguy
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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:04:00 -
[74]
How many Icelanders does it take to move some hardware?
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Illwill Bill
House of Tempers
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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:04:00 -
[75]
Originally by: CCP Navigator Tranquility is now live. Please feel free to log in.
CCP Navigator best Navigator.
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Spinalonga
Caldari Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:04:00 -
[76]
2 of my 3 accounts needed plexes in 3 days. so now i probly got like 1 day to get the isk for it :) Please re-size your signature to the maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist |

Samantha Avalon
Black Serpent Technologies
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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:04:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Apolluon
Originally by: Aslan Inbarr
Originally by: Stormmaster Neptunius Eh, I only had a skill that was slightly longer than 24 hours when the DT started. It finished at 09:40 a.m. UTC. Slept less than 3 hours this night hoping to catch the moment to update the queue. I know, I am completely crazy about training skills. So far I have been unable to forgive myself missing about 20 minutes once when I was a new player (there was no skill queue by then).
For myself, I kind of saw this coming and loaded an 8 day train. I would like to get my colonies going again though.
In all reality, being that the database was physically offline for this long, i would hope time isnt passing ingame, or theres gonna be a lot of ****ed off POSes and colonies when we go live.
Well if people that run POS's are retarted enough not to make sure there towers have at least a weeks work of fuel deserve it to go offline. Like everyone has said, plan ahead when CCP needs to do a patch or move servers or stuff like that. No need to act surprised about when they give you a weeks notice. [url=http://vendetta.eve-kill.net?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=119097] [/url] |

Xetheras
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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:04:00 -
[78]
Oh mah gawd it's 16:00 and the server isn't up!! HTFU!
:P
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tastypotatoes
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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:05:00 -
[79]
Server's back up and running hooray. :)
Everything's back where I left it, even my drones are still in the mining field. Thanks CCP. :)
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Ewa Wilson
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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:06:00 -
[80]
Ok, the Isner / Mahut match is over, time to get back to work CCP.
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CCP Navigator
C C P C C P Alliance

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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:10:00 -
[81]
Please read the following story in the news center. This news item concerns some news about compensation.
Navigator Senior Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online
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Uhr Zylex
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:12:00 -
[82]
I would like Amarr Titan V.
Kthx.
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EyeCeeYou
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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:13:00 -
[83]
I came expecting corporate blather and pseudo apologies ...
Compensation?
Undeserved, but extremely grateful!
I left very satisfied.
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T00NCES
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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:15:00 -
[84]
Originally by: CCP Navigator In gratitude for your patience, we will give an extra pool of skillpoints to all accounts (paying and trial) that were active at the beginning of this downtime, on one character per account. This skillpoint pool will be appropriately sized for the downtime time frame, universal across all accounts regardless of character attributes/implants and may be applied as each player wants.
This will be done through a new system in the development pipeline, currently scheduled for deployment next TuesdayÆs patching opportunity* during regularly scheduled downtime. Since it has been ôhot droppedö into the development plans, we will be providing step-by-step instructions for how to use it as soon as possible.
This is very cool! Do you know if the SP will stack each time you guys do this, I would be inclined to save up the points for future use (Although I'm sure it wont be often)
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HottyChick
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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:18:00 -
[85]
Thank you for update and Im happy with the compensation.
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Cole Y0unger
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:20:00 -
[86]
Originally by: CCP Navigator Please read the following story in the news center. This news item concerns some news about compensation.
Thank you CCP for the compensation thingy will be recieved atleast by myself very well, how ever It will take a couple days to get the shakes to go away for going through EVE DT's.
Now I just hope this server relocation helps the Socket closed disco's 
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el caido
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:22:00 -
[87]
Today's whiners just don't appreciate how good they have it. While I have no problems with CCP's previous 'HTFU and play outside' downtime policy, I will not say 'no' to free SPs. 
Cheers on the (eventually) successful upgrade.
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Jowen Datloran
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:27:00 -
[88]
Edited by: Jowen Datloran on 24/06/2010 16:27:55 What? You give me skillpoints ?!?
I can't eat skillpoints!!!
---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute - EVE Online Lorebook
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Minchurra
Caldari Feudum Chalybis Primary.
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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:27:00 -
[89]
Originally by: CCP Navigator Please read the following story in the news center. This news item concerns some news about compensation.
Thank you for this CCP.
I hope CCP Yokai gets the compensation also 
Originally by: CCP Yokai I'll set all my accounts to a 6 hour skill just to be sure ;)
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DeadRow
Caldari Veto Corp
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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:28:00 -
[90]
Originally by: CCP Navigator Please read the following story in the news center. This news item concerns some news about compensation.
Just wondering, But will there be a time limit in claiming these Sp? I'm going on holiday tomorrow and would like to know if I can claim them when I get back or not? 
Anyways <3 CCP Norrin Ellis > What?! Boobs aren't inappropriate! They feed children! For God's sake, think of the children!
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BearUkraine
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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:29:00 -
[91]
I realy hope that CCP has done everything what was planned.
Compensation - very cool!!! No petitions from me and whole corp where I am.
Also :)
" *Coincidentally, next week we had already been planning to give another gift to all pilots. More on that gift Soon Ö "
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:29:00 -
[92]
Originally by: ze news In gratitude for your patience, we will give an extra pool of skillpoints to all accounts (paying and trial) that were active at the beginning of this downtime, on one character per account. This skillpoint pool will be appropriately sized for the downtime time frame, universal across all accounts regardless of character attributes/implants and may be applied as each player wants.
This will be done through a new system in the development pipeline, currently scheduled for deployment next TuesdayÆs patching opportunity* during regularly scheduled downtime. Since it has been ôhot droppedö into the development plans, we will be providing step-by-step instructions for how to use it as soon as possible.
Why exactly are you developing such a system for? I can think of a few reason for developing it, but I'm not too fond of most of them. I hope you tell your intentions for the system in the coming instructions/devblog.
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zombiedeadhead
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:30:00 -
[93]
Horrible precedent to set.
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Mme Pinkerton
United Engineering Services
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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:31:00 -
[94]
Quote: ... currently scheduled for deployment next TuesdayÆs patching opportunity* during regularly scheduled downtime ...
/facepalm
*tinfoilhat* why develop such a system in the first place? certainly not to give away free SP... is CCP going to take its first steps towards microtransactions?
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:31:00 -
[95]
Originally by: CCP Navigator Please read the following story in the news center. This news item concerns some news about compensation.
Sweet! Its unnecessary but tyvm! :) Wonder what I'll do with it... probably just throw it into Torps 5, HAM5, T3 research production skills, and Surgical Strike 5. /shrug
-Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire |

Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:32:00 -
[96]
Originally by: zombiedeadhead Horrible precedent to set.
This. I've always praised CCP for being firm on their reimbursement policy, and this just screams bad precedent. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout Been there. Done that. Need antibiotics.
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Quito PR
Gallente Mjolnir Inc.
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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:33:00 -
[97]
thank you CCP for your hard work
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FaceLikeDrownedGuppy
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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:33:00 -
[98]
Eve, you are the best mistress ever (even my wife agrees)!!!!!!!! Thank you for an awesome birthday present. Being in IT infrastructure myself, I understand what you undertook the past few days. Ten points for what you have accomplished, considering your resources at hand. I have worked for companies with far greater infrastructure investments who couldn't achieve a fraction of what you have. Well done!
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Slinkus Gallentus
Gallente Lysergic Spacetime Dimension
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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:34:00 -
[99]
Originally by: CCP Navigator Please read the following story in the news center. This news item concerns some news about compensation.
That's great but if the account management isn't up soon my players will run out of subscription and I won't be able to upgrade them with PLEX's, so how long before that is back up? cheers
"Life is not one big joke. Life is 40,000 little jokes all lined up" |

Demitrios
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:38:00 -
[100]
I think this accuratly describes the extended downtime.
Linkage
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Huessar
Amarr Divinity Core
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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:38:00 -
[101]
Cool. I was about to start *****ing about how I wished I would have picks a level 5 skill for both my characters instead of a bunch of mid level skills, which have long since finished. Hopefully the skill pool will make up for this a bit. Wonder what the new gift will be next week, another special shuttle to fly and leave somewhere?
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0xdecafbad
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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:39:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Blane Xero
Originally by: zombiedeadhead Horrible precedent to set.
This. I've always praised CCP for being firm on their reimbursement policy, and this just screams bad precedent.
Not only a bad precedent, also completely bogus.
I just lost about 15 hours worth of training time, because my skill queue ran out during the extended downtime. Now everyone gets 24 hours of free skillpoints? That does not change anything, I'm still 15 hours behind everyone else!
I applaud that you take responsibility for this, CCP, but if you do so, please take the time to do it right. It should not be too hard to figure out which player's skill queues ran out during that time and reimburse them accordingly.
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EyeCeeYou
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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:42:00 -
[103]
Only EVE players would ***** and moan about a free gift.
+1 for the complainers.
Now Ima gonna read it all again. ITS THAT GOOD.
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CCP Fallout

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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:43:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Slinkus Gallentus
Originally by: CCP Navigator Please read the following story in the news center. This news item concerns some news about compensation.
That's great but if the account management isn't up soon my players will run out of subscription and I won't be able to upgrade them with PLEX's, so how long before that is back up?
We are currently awaiting word on when secure will be back online, and have updated the first post in this thread with information regarding PLEX issues.
Fallout Associate Community Manager CCP Hf, EVE Online Contact us |
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Redesignated
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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:43:00 -
[105]
Everyone is missing the best part.
Quote: *Coincidentally, next week we had already been planning to give another gift to all pilots. More on that gift Soon Ö.
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CCP Navigator
C C P C C P Alliance

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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:44:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Slinkus Gallentus
Originally by: CCP Navigator Please read the following story in the news center. This news item concerns some news about compensation.
That's great but if the account management isn't up soon my players will run out of subscription and I won't be able to upgrade them with PLEX's, so how long before that is back up?
This is a high priority issue and Operations are working to resolve this as soon as possible. We will be sure to announce it as soon as it goes up.
Navigator Senior Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online
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Laitcaille
Gallente Flying Tartiflette
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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:44:00 -
[107]
The delivery was difficult 
I hope that the baby will be healthy.  Je fais c'que je peux pour Otre riche, mais j'ai les poches percTes.
Voyant a l'ocas. 500 000 isk la prTdiction. Pour arrondir les fins de mois.
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0xdecafbad
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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:46:00 -
[108]
Originally by: EyeCeeYou Only EVE players would ***** and moan about a free gift.
+1 for the complainers.
Now Ima gonna read it all again. ITS THAT GOOD.
Well this was to be expected. By phrasing it as a "free gift" instead of a reimbursement, you automatically make you critics look like whiners. I can live with that.
The point is, people who lost SP during the downtime don't get the (same) gift. Which as I'm sure you would agree, is unfair.
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Fallon Windskimmer
Dedicated Inactivity Trans-Stellar Industries
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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:46:00 -
[109]
Forgive me for getting all super concerned, but does anyone else think it a good idea for CCP to address whether this new skill reimbursement thing/something in development was planned for buying SP? If it's for getting rid of learning skills - awesome, all in favor. But if it's not about buying SP, can you please just tell us that so we can chillax and speculate less wildly?
While I posted in the goodie thread, I suspect it may get closed - and I believe CCP would like us to post here instead.
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vulnevia
The Exploited. Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:46:00 -
[110]
Erh, will the account management be up today or maybe tonight...? I'm going away for midsummer and I'll be gone for another 2 weeks w/o internet 
--------- the EVE Crafting Blog |

Stormmaster Neptunius
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:46:00 -
[111]
Originally by: CCP Navigator Please read the following story in the news center. This news item concerns some news about compensation.
Awesome, I appreciate it very much!
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War Kitten
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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:50:00 -
[112]
Edited by: War Kitten on 24/06/2010 16:50:35 I have it on good authority that the free gift will be Pillow Launchers, courtesy of the Hellcats and Mynxee's CSM influence.
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Vir Hellnamin
Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:51:00 -
[113]
Edited by: Vir Hellnamin on 24/06/2010 16:51:19
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Update at 16:05 Please read the following story in the news center. This explains more about what happened and how we plan to compensate players for the unexpected downtime.
Nice small awesome gesture. Thank you. (also, 19d still left in skill-training :D ) -- "Entering MH means instant death. It's worse than 0.0. Even the asteroids shoot back." - Alex Harumichi [GRD]
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FoxtrotOff
Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:55:00 -
[114]
Well i tried to be nice in my thread a lil while ago and zymurgist locked it =*(
Great work CCP, keep it up.
Also i never got an answer, soundwave, can i have your babies? ___________________________________________ Just let me find something big and then ill kill you with it |

Killerb33
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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:57:00 -
[115]
Meat is good. Meat is healthy. You need meat.
Really. There are ppl on this earth that claim they dont need meat, or they dont want meat, but the fact is they DO need meat. It contains a lot of proteins and other healthy stuff, also, meat can be very good combined with vegetables, a bottle of good wine, or with a fine lady talking about all kinds of nonsense. In the case you are in good company of such fine lady, I urge you to taste your meat first before you kiss her, or the meat will be a major dissapointing.
Also, **** safe, use a condom! Bye! *peace*
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Libin Herobi
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Posted - 2010.06.24 17:00:00 -
[116]
Originally by: FoxtrotOff
Also i never got an answer, soundwave, can i have your babies?
I heard he likes to keep them... 
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Ewa Wilson
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Posted - 2010.06.24 17:00:00 -
[117]
Originally by: Blane Xero
Originally by: zombiedeadhead Horrible precedent to set.
This. I've always praised CCP for being firm on their reimbursement policy, and this just screams bad precedent.
This, and I join others in hoping this new SP injection system isn't going to be used for what I'm thinking it's going to be used for.
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Cassandra Invicta
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Posted - 2010.06.24 17:03:00 -
[118]
Edited by: Cassandra Invicta on 24/06/2010 17:03:13 stuff
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CCP Navigator
C C P C C P Alliance

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Posted - 2010.06.24 17:04:00 -
[119]
Originally by: CCP Navigator
Originally by: Slinkus Gallentus
Originally by: CCP Navigator Please read the following story in the news center. This news item concerns some news about compensation.
That's great but if the account management isn't up soon my players will run out of subscription and I won't be able to upgrade them with PLEX's, so how long before that is back up?
This is a high priority issue and Operations are working to resolve this as soon as possible. We will be sure to announce it as soon as it goes up.
Just a quick update, the account management page is now active and players can now use PLEX and reactivate any accounts which have lapsed. Please let us know if you experience any problems.
Navigator Senior Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online
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Avoida
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Posted - 2010.06.24 17:04:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Ewa Wilson
Originally by: Blane Xero
Originally by: zombiedeadhead Horrible precedent to set.
This. I've always praised CCP for being firm on their reimbursement policy, and this just screams bad precedent.
This, and I join others in hoping this new SP injection system isn't going to be used for what I'm thinking it's going to be used for.
Like removing all learning skills and replacing said skills with a SP pool which we can then distribute as we see fit to any other skills? 
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Killerb33
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Posted - 2010.06.24 17:11:00 -
[121]
Oh wait. the reason why I posted that is, is because I love all you guys/girls.
Lets celebrate the server is up again, smoke some beer, drink some weed and tickle some *******.
letsss parrttyyyy \o/ \o/ \o/ |

gigitrix
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Posted - 2010.06.24 17:13:00 -
[122]
What compensation do you guys from CCP for working flat out on this and reassuring angry forum posters 
If it's overtime pay i'll swap ya!
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Veryez
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Posted - 2010.06.24 17:13:00 -
[123]
Originally by: zombiedeadhead Horrible precedent to set.
Some people will complain no matter what you do....
First off, great job to the devs and the rest of CCP in getting this up and running. Some might whine how they were inconvienced, but I can imagine the guys and gals working on this just pulled a 31+ hour shift (ouch). That's great dedication, you deserve our thanks, and you have mine. As for the gift, while unnecessary, I certainly appreciate it. As for those who are so sure this is horrible - simple, don't use it.
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scandor
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Posted - 2010.06.24 17:14:00 -
[124]
http://www.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=3963&tid=1
thats what we get as compensation i think that could be handy depending how many skill points we get
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Nina Zypher
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Posted - 2010.06.24 17:16:00 -
[125]
Server is screwed, can't dock, use customs office or use JumpBridges.
Chat channels: can chat but I am not in the chatlist (\o/ Monkeysphere 2.0).
Expect an emergency DT soon!
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Aziraphale30
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Posted - 2010.06.24 17:20:00 -
[126]
Quote: *Coincidentally, next week we had already been planning to give another gift to all pilots. More on that gift Soon Ö
I love it... they've trade-marked the word soon...
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ObviousTroll Alt
Gallente Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2010.06.24 17:23:00 -
[127]
Originally by: Killerb33
Meat is good. Meat is healthy. You need meat.
Really. There are ppl on this earth that claim they dont need meat, or they dont want meat, but the fact is they DO need meat. It contains a lot of proteins and other healthy stuff, also, meat can be very good combined with vegetables, a bottle of good wine, or with a fine lady talking about all kinds of nonsense. In the case you are in good company of such fine lady, I urge you to taste your meat first before you kiss her, or the meat will be a major dissapointing.
Also, **** safe, use a condom! Bye! *peace*
Red meat isn't bad for you, Fuzzy green meat is bad for you.
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Mefroio
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Posted - 2010.06.24 17:24:00 -
[128]
Originally by: Nina Zypher Server is screwed, can't dock, use customs office or use JumpBridges.
Chat channels: can chat but I am not in the chatlist (\o/ Monkeysphere 2.0).
Expect an emergency DT soon!
Everything is normal here.
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Strazdas Unstoppable
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Posted - 2010.06.24 17:25:00 -
[129]
Hope the sleplessness (yes thats a word) and stress of moving was worth it and hopefully give TQ a chance to grow and become better.
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Barakkus
Spacelane Innovation
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Posted - 2010.06.24 17:25:00 -
[130]
Originally by: Aziraphale30
Quote: *Coincidentally, next week we had already been planning to give another gift to all pilots. More on that gift Soon Ö
I love it... they've trade-marked the word soon...
actually that's an industry standard...
Originally by: CCP Dropbear
rofl
edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
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ariana ailith
Gallente FreakyTech
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Posted - 2010.06.24 17:31:00 -
[131]
And how are players that could not play for 2 days compensated?
Find me... http://meandmymac.net |

Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.06.24 17:35:00 -
[132]
Originally by: ariana ailith And how are players that could not play for 2 days compensated?
First, who says you need compensated? Second, perhaps you're being compensated with the free SP they're talking about. 
-Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire |

Reddx Panther
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Posted - 2010.06.24 17:36:00 -
[133]
Originally by: ariana ailith And how are players that could not play for 2 days compensated?
Come to Tama, i'll give you some free ammo for your trouble
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ChronoXVII
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Posted - 2010.06.24 17:37:00 -
[134]
Originally by: Nina Zypher Server is screwed, can't dock, use customs office or use JumpBridges.
Chat channels: can chat but I am not in the chatlist (\o/ Monkeysphere 2.0).
Expect an emergency DT soon!
Nope, everything is fine so far, as far as I can tell anyway. If anything, I was surprised to find that the ammo I used just before DT has re-appeared in my cargo-hold 
Yes, this is an alt cos my main is forum banned :) |

Cyrus Doul
Cosmic Vacum Cleaners
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Posted - 2010.06.24 17:38:00 -
[135]
Originally by: Avoida
Originally by: Ewa Wilson
Originally by: Blane Xero
Originally by: zombiedeadhead Horrible precedent to set.
This. I've always praised CCP for being firm on their reimbursement policy, and this just screams bad precedent.
This, and I join others in hoping this new SP injection system isn't going to be used for what I'm thinking it's going to be used for.
Like removing all learning skills and replacing said skills with a SP pool which we can then distribute as we see fit to any other skills? 
sweet raptor jesus i get to get my learning points back in semi near future? hello Fighters five!
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Reddx Panther
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Posted - 2010.06.24 17:41:00 -
[136]
Also gifts to all players are like a gift to no player at all. I disagree with gifts to all players.
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.06.24 17:43:00 -
[137]
Originally by: Reddx Panther Also gifts to all players are like a gift to no player at all. I disagree with gifts to all players.
Well that's cool I'll take your gift. I personally appreciate that my skills will be finished a day or two earlier - it means that I'll reach this milestone that much sooner and move on to the next. I long ago stopped giving a damn what other people have trained. 
-Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire |

Toco Toucan
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Posted - 2010.06.24 17:44:00 -
[138]
Originally by: Reddx Panther Also gifts to all players are like a gift to no player at all. I disagree with gifts to all players.
You must be joking.
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AMAGADLOOK I'MPOSTING
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.06.24 17:45:00 -
[139]
Originally by: Reddx Panther Also gifts to all players are like a gift to no player at all. I disagree with gifts to all players.
I agree that I need to disagree with you. Gifts to all players calm the masses. Gifts to just one player only help calm the hemorrhoids that appear after a freak dildo accident. Also, IWIN 100 !NT3RN3T5 for every post. |

Dangzing
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Posted - 2010.06.24 17:47:00 -
[140]
aw man. i had successfully not fiddled with my training queue for the first time in FOREVER. 
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Diomedes Calypso
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Posted - 2010.06.24 17:47:00 -
[141]
Funny, I had just composed a forum post suggesting that for curtesy sake some sort of gift was in order...and I had come to a similar conclusion that skill points would do all players good while a isk gift would jump newer players over the fun game challenge of building a foothold or be so small to be meaningless to longer term players.
No one is "owed" anything...and while providing good service is expected from businesses, I do appreciate the idea of the upgrade whether if were a business necessity or not.
But, a gift is more a social convention than anything and it would have felt a bit coarse to me not to give a little something in recognition of an inconvenience.. especially when the cost wouldn't have cost almost anything had the skill point mechanism been in place (it will now be there for similar events)
Its just how things are done and you miss it when it isn't done. Sort of like a free desert if the kitchen botches your order at a restaurant or not coming empty handed to a party at a friends house. Its not the money but the gesture.
(on that same token, I think it sounds more gracious not to tie the sp exactly to the down time but just some nice round number a bit more than a character with high attributes would have earned in maybe 150% of the delay...you want to sound generous, not like some frugal accountant and the difference would be negligible)
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Sainte Nitouche
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Posted - 2010.06.24 17:50:00 -
[142]
+1 Veryez
no comment 
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Mr LaForge
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Posted - 2010.06.24 17:53:00 -
[143]
Calling it now:
2nd gift is a shuttle.
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Nina Zypher
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Posted - 2010.06.24 17:57:00 -
[144]
Originally by: ChronoXVII
Originally by: Nina Zypher Server is screwed, can't dock, use customs office or use JumpBridges.
Chat channels: can chat but I am not in the chatlist (\o/ Monkeysphere 2.0).
Expect an emergency DT soon!
Nope, everything is fine so far, as far as I can tell anyway. If anything, I was surprised to find that the ammo I used just before DT has re-appeared in my cargo-hold 
Great to hear. Perhaps it was a glitch (Vale region).
Will check again!
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ariana ailith
Gallente FreakyTech
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Posted - 2010.06.24 17:57:00 -
[145]
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: ariana ailith And how are players that could not play for 2 days compensated?
First, who says you need compensated? Second, perhaps you're being compensated with the free SP they're talking about. 
-Liang
Compensated because i paid for 30 days now i get only 28. PLus, the skillpoints, the way i interpreted it, is only for people who were logged in at the time the server went down. I wasn't online.
Or did i miss something? And skill points don't get me my lost time back...
Find me... http://meandmymac.net |

manidu
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Posted - 2010.06.24 18:01:00 -
[146]
Edited by: manidu on 24/06/2010 18:03:33
Originally by: ariana ailith Compensated because i paid for 30 days now i get only 28.
Or did i miss something? And skill points don't get me my lost time back...
You agreed to the EULA when signing up, didn't you? Well, the EULA 12. says:
While CCP attempts to have the System available at most times, CCP does not guarantee that the System will always be available, or that the System will not become unavailable during Game play. The System may become unavailable for a number of reasons, including without limitation during the performance of maintenance to the System, for the implementation of new software, for emergency situations and due to equipment or telecommunications failures.
Originally by: ariana ailith PLus, the skillpoints, the way i interpreted it, is only for people who were logged in at the time the server went down. I wasn't online.
Plus, you interpret it wrong. The article says "active", not "online". So any account which was activated by 23/06/2010, 09:00 (or whenever it was) get's it, no matter if you've been online or not.
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YT Forever
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Posted - 2010.06.24 18:02:00 -
[147]
You missed something - it says accounts that are active, not logged in - big differance there - so if you have an account you get some free skill points to use as you see fit !
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Spatiopathe
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Posted - 2010.06.24 18:03:00 -
[148]
What does this mean ?
we will give an extra pool of skillpoints to all accounts [...] This will be done through a new system in the development pipeline, currently scheduled for deployment next TuesdayÆs patching opportunity
In addition of the 2day of sp gift, Does CCP manage to withdraw the Learning skills of the game and to deal their pool of SP in others skills ?
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Nipps McChesty
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Posted - 2010.06.24 18:03:00 -
[149]
Well, at least we get some bonus SP out of it. I had a skill that I figured would be long enough in the queue, but turns out that I came up short by about 4 hours. So, for all of us that feel that we got royally screwed in the behind, at least we got a reacharound out of it.
Curious as to this free gift.
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Nina Zypher
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Posted - 2010.06.24 18:10:00 -
[150]
Ok small update on the Vale region problems as I don't only want to bring the bad news :)
Stuffs seem working again, albeit with some lag.
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Captain Campion
Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2010.06.24 18:10:00 -
[151]
Woot, now we can ask for free SP every time eve is down - because we KNOW they can do it :D
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DanTheManOnline
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Posted - 2010.06.24 18:11:00 -
[152]
Being in the IT myself, I understand such mishaps... It's frustrating for both engineers and customers alike, but **** does happen.
Nice gesture though to do something for the pilots in compensation of the downtime!
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somerandom18
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.06.24 18:13:00 -
[153]
where are u people getting "withdraw learning skills for SP pool" from? ccp never said anything about withdrawing learning skills
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ariana ailith
Gallente FreakyTech
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Posted - 2010.06.24 18:14:00 -
[154]
Originally by: YT Forever You missed something - it says accounts that are active, not logged in - big differance there - so if you have an account you get some free skill points to use as you see fit !
I see, i misinterpreted that bit. As you guys pointed out.
Find me... http://meandmymac.net |

Zan Bango
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Posted - 2010.06.24 18:14:00 -
[155]
Thanks for the good work and bringing it up after so many problems :)
Good sleep to all the ovetimers!
cheers Zan
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Bankotsu Li
Minmatar Firehawks
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Posted - 2010.06.24 18:17:00 -
[156]
Seriously though... We all knew this wasn't a "normal" daily Down Time. Any day that doesn't have a normal downtime, what's the standard rule-of-thumb for your skill queue? SET A LONG SKILL. Like stupid long. I know it hasn't happened since 2003, but they tell you to do that so that if things get borked (because things hardly ever go the way we plan) and they have to finish the skill you're training, you get a nice bonus! 30+ Day skill finished in 24hrs? Awesome! I honestly think CCP is being TOO nice. Don't get me wrong - I'll love me some free SP, but I think anyone who complained about this is a bit out of sorts. They were physically moving the server for f***'s sake. Anyone who thought that something like that would go off without at least a little hitch, must have one hell of a positive outlook on life (or a lot of really good drugs!). |

Liteshow
Caldari The Leather Knights
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Posted - 2010.06.24 18:17:00 -
[157]
gah, what a time for the laptop hard drive to crash!  gotta get skills in the queue!

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Cyrus Doul
Cosmic Vacum Cleaners
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Posted - 2010.06.24 18:20:00 -
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Originally by: somerandom18 where are u people getting "withdraw learning skills for SP pool" from? ccp never said anything about withdrawing learning skills
they did a couple of years ago or something and were just waiting for someone to figure out a workabale solution so everyone doesnt train derp slow but also wouldn't get ****ed for having sp taken away.
This thread tells more
warning half of that thread is people wasting space saying dun get rid of skills as they didn't realize that wasn't a proposal to get rid of them. It is a proposal thread on how to do it and have players not mind that much. Basically what the current plan is is to have all players get the 10 points and 10 percent that having all of the 11 skills to five and to use some sort of autoskill thing to let you redistribute any and all sp in the category. So for us that read in assembly hall this reads as CCP is going to kill Learning skills finally.
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Mashie Saldana
Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.24 18:20:00 -
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Edited by: Mashie Saldana on 24/06/2010 18:24:34
Originally by: Spatiopathe What does this mean ?
we will give an extra pool of skillpoints to all accounts [...] This will be done through a new system in the development pipeline, currently scheduled for deployment next TuesdayÆs patching opportunity
In addition of the 2day of sp gift, Does CCP manage to withdraw the Learning skills of the game and to deal their pool of SP in others skills ?
It do sound like a way forward to scrap the learning skills forever. About time tbh.
Originally by: Cyrus Doul they did a couple of years ago or something and were just waiting for someone to figure out a workabale solution so everyone doesnt train derp slow but also wouldn't get ****ed for having sp taken away.
This thread tells more
The guy in that thread got it a little wrong, I hope it is a straight bump of 12 points per attribute as it will be a lot more clear for everyone instead of having 20.9 rounded down to 20 in the skill sheet and similar.
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Motriek
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Posted - 2010.06.24 18:21:00 -
[160]
Play time aside, that was my most pressing concern... training! Thx for making it right ccp.
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Elder Man
Gallente ATRISC
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Posted - 2010.06.24 18:26:00 -
[161]
Thanks to the folks at CCP. It's all good. !!!
Extra Skill POINTS for our toons....gimmy gimmy gimmy....num num num 
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2010.06.24 18:31:00 -
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Quote: This skillpoint pool will be appropriately sized for the downtime time frame, universal across all accounts regardless of character attributes/implants and may be applied as each player wants.
This will be done through a new system in the development pipeline...
Do I smell micro transactions and buying skillpoints for $$$? 
But anyway, thanks for the free SP! |

Cyrus Doul
Cosmic Vacum Cleaners
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Posted - 2010.06.24 18:31:00 -
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Edited by: Cyrus Doul on 24/06/2010 18:32:15
Originally by: Mashie Saldana Edited by: Mashie Saldana on 24/06/2010 18:24:34
Originally by: Spatiopathe What does this mean ?
we will give an extra pool of skillpoints to all accounts [...] This will be done through a new system in the development pipeline, currently scheduled for deployment next TuesdayÆs patching opportunity
In addition of the 2day of sp gift, Does CCP manage to withdraw the Learning skills of the game and to deal their pool of SP in others skills ?
It do sound like a way forward to scrap the learning skills forever. About time tbh.
Originally by: Cyrus Doul they did a couple of years ago or something and were just waiting for someone to figure out a workabale solution so everyone doesnt train derp slow but also wouldn't get ****ed for having sp taken away.
This thread tells more
The guy in that thread got it a little wrong, I hope it is a straight bump of 12 points per attribute as it will be a lot more clear for everyone instead of having 20.9 rounded down to 20 in the skill sheet and similar.
that percentage rounds down in the skill sheet in game. but if you look at it using the formulas that have been found to be right that 20.9 is 20.9, not just 20. you want to keep the 10 percent as that gives you a buff remapping.
that and straight points would be 11(=10 + [10*10%])
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Nipps McChesty
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Posted - 2010.06.24 18:46:00 -
[164]
Originally by: Gnulpie Do I smell micro transactions and buying skillpoints for $$$? 
That occurred to me as well. If so, this has the potential to be both good and bad...
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Nemesis PT
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Posted - 2010.06.24 18:47:00 -
[165]
Finally up again! This downtime was kinda lamme!
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Swidgen
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Posted - 2010.06.24 18:48:00 -
[166]
Originally by: Mashie Saldana It do sound like a way forward to scrap the learning skills forever. About time tbh.
Nonsense. Training the Learning Skills is an investment that pays off down the road. I trained them early on (for several months on and off), knowing that I was passing up on more useful skills at the time, in order to reap the dividend of reduced training time later on. I am seeing that dividend pay off in spades now.
Some people apparently feel entitled to the same SP per hour as those with good Learning Skills, despite never having put forth the effor to earn it.
Stop whining about the Learning Skills or train them yourselves, you lazy fracks. |

Mashie Saldana
Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.24 18:50:00 -
[167]
Originally by: Cyrus Doul that percentage rounds down in the skill sheet in game. but if you look at it using the formulas that have been found to be right that 20.9 is 20.9, not just 20. you want to keep the 10 percent as that gives you a buff remapping.
that and straight points would be 11(=10 + [10*10%])
Yes I know, but by fixing the numbers to not be percentages you for example wouldn't need to even post that explanation in the first place. Hence removing confusion.
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Mashie Saldana
Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.24 18:53:00 -
[168]
Originally by: Swidgen Stop whining about the Learning Skills or train them yourselves, you lazy fracks.
I have 10.5m SP spread across three characters in learning skills thank you very much and I do think they are the most stupid thing ever to be implemented.
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BeanBagKing
Ch3mic4l Warfare STR8NGE BREW
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Posted - 2010.06.24 18:53:00 -
[169]
So I'm not one of the crowd who thinks CCP owes us anything, uptime overall is pretty damn good, and I know the unexpected happens during big patches/changes. However, as one person over on scrapheap said,
Quote: [...]I think it would be classy for CCP to say, "Yeah... we did it again. Have 72 hours on us just because we appreciate you, our subscribers, so much." [...]
I think the free skillpoint bonus thing is just that. Eve is one of the only MMOs (only one I know of) where skills are directly tied to time, so giving some SP for downtime is pretty much the same as giving our account a few extra hours. A little different I suppose because you can't actually be playing during that time, but you can use that SP to play with new toys instead, which I think I like even more, and I think will be better for new players.
The short of what I'm trying to say is thanks CCP. You recognized that the downtime was much longer than expected, and reimbursed the players in some minor way for keeping them out of the game for that much time. You owe us nothing but delivered a little something anyway, as the above said, classy move and way to recognize your player base.
o7
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.06.24 18:54:00 -
[170]
Originally by: Swidgen Stop whining about the Learning Skills or train them yourselves, you lazy fracks.
Doesn't make them good game design and they damn sure don't make the game "noob" friendly. Also, I did train them. 6 times now... I'm hardly "lazy" and I still think learning skills should go away SO THAT I CAN HAVE MORE PEOPLE TO FLY WITH AND SHOOT.
-Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire |

Lottan
Senators of Eridan Red Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.24 18:55:00 -
[171]
You gotta be ****ting me! Redistributable skillpoints? No///it is like EVE is going to get to be as like a those stupid Korean MMOs with special events of dublicated XP or even worse...
------- www.soeri.ru ------- How would you answer this question? |

Boogie Bobby
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Posted - 2010.06.24 18:58:00 -
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Originally by: Lottan You gotta be ****ting me! Redistributable skillpoints? No///it is like EVE is going to get to be as like a those stupid Korean MMOs with special events of dublicated XP or even worse...
ITT getting mad at CCP about wild specuculation.
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democrities
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Posted - 2010.06.24 18:59:00 -
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Woah woah woah aent you all jumping to conclusions? Getting rid of learning skills? Redistributable skill points? I havent seen anything like this mentioned in CCP announcements, where are you getting it from?
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Cole Y0unger
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2010.06.24 19:06:00 -
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Originally by: Boogie Bobby
Originally by: Lottan You gotta be ****ting me! Redistributable skillpoints? No///it is like EVE is going to get to be as like a those stupid Korean MMOs with special events of dublicated XP or even worse...
ITT getting mad at CCP about wild specuculation.
This ^^^^  Take off yalls frikin Tinfoil hats shheeesh 
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simpletondrive
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Posted - 2010.06.24 19:21:00 -
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i really don't like the idea of free to pick xp (how will you pack it up for RP?).
Besides that i know how a migration can end up so it is really a job well done to the crew! Let see the new Tflops flow :)
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Cyrus Doul
Cosmic Vacum Cleaners
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Posted - 2010.06.24 19:30:00 -
[176]
Originally by: democrities Woah woah woah aent you all jumping to conclusions? Getting rid of learning skills? Redistributable skill points? I havent seen anything like this mentioned in CCP announcements, where are you getting it from?
the link to the thread that i had linked a bit ago talks about the getting rid of learning skills, somewhere in there it has a link to the video of CCP saying learning skills are going to die. Thats where they are prolly getting the redistributable points from. Hopefully ccp is not going to let you redistribute points trained around like you can attributes.
and as to the whole keep the 10% thing. you need that because of remaps. if you remap that much extra 11 points its not actually worth as much as a 10 percent boost on taking all your skills and throwing them into perception or something.
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Mylena Gnarn
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Posted - 2010.06.24 19:36:00 -
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Here's a kicker regarding that skill pool that CCP is supposedly going to give us... Because of it, GM's are not willing to cover lost time due to not being able to log in to add to training queues as they have in the past. Since the pool will be "universal across all accounts" this means that if you had a skill that finished during the 24+ hrs of downtime, you will not gain as many total skill points as those characters who were unaffected by the downtime.
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Cebraio
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Posted - 2010.06.24 19:39:00 -
[178]
Thank you, CCP, for successfully silencing the reimbursement whining. 
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democrities
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Posted - 2010.06.24 19:44:00 -
[179]
Originally by: Cyrus Doul
Originally by: democrities Woah woah woah aent you all jumping to conclusions? Getting rid of learning skills? Redistributable skill points? I havent seen anything like this mentioned in CCP announcements, where are you getting it from?
the link to the thread that i had linked a bit ago talks about the getting rid of learning skills, somewhere in there it has a link to the video of CCP saying learning skills are going to die. Thats where they are prolly getting the redistributable points from. Hopefully ccp is not going to let you redistribute points trained around like you can attributes.
and as to the whole keep the 10% thing. you need that because of remaps. if you remap that much extra 11 points its not actually worth as much as a 10 percent boost on taking all your skills and throwing them into perception or something.
yeah but they are getting all this from that one line about something in the pipeline dropping next tuesday.....speculation.
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ZeroDivide
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Posted - 2010.06.24 19:47:00 -
[180]
seems to be running faster to me! Jumping systems near Simela is loading almost instantly! 
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Edmar
Ship Depot
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Posted - 2010.06.24 19:51:00 -
[181]
Congrats to CCP on the successful server move. Thanks for the extra skill points!
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Dillon Arklight
Universal Army Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.06.24 19:51:00 -
[182]
Edited by: Dillon Arklight on 24/06/2010 19:52:52 Thanks CCP and lets hope this IS an end to the unpopular learning skills.
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Hammerswift Thunder
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.06.24 20:01:00 -
[183]
WOW 1st upgraded the servers to racoons and now this a free gift of training time. im glad to see my faith in ccp was not in vain.
thx guys!!!
????? any tech info on the new servers that you could give us??? Fly like your going to die because death comes to us all. tm |

Antraman
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Posted - 2010.06.24 20:21:00 -
[184]
Don't care much for the compensation (a whole day!...wow), but I do think its pretty silly to have the forums AND Eve Gate go down at the same time as the game servers...during downtime, it would make sense that we can access the forums or Eve Gate to still do stuff while we wait,...instead we have to sit and wait for it all to come back online.
I mean, here's how stupid it is...you open the game client during DT and get a message telling you about downtime, and how updates are posted on the link provided. Click on the link and its 'offline'. You go to Facebook and the message tells you about updates posted on the forum page, so when you click on that, the page is unavailable because there server is down. And when the server is back up, you don't need to read about the updates, coz its already online...
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Cassandra Invicta
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Posted - 2010.06.24 20:36:00 -
[185]
Holland won 2-1 against Kamaroon \o/ \o/ \o/ weeeeeeej
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Micrihael Smith
Caldari Eve Engineering Logistics
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Posted - 2010.06.24 20:41:00 -
[186]
Okay
So the tension around the server move erupts as the Dev team et alii realise that It Has Gone Wrong. Hell breaks loose, print-out is pored over, codes are reassembled *..... In an attempt to give the customers some form of update, a message was put out the first place we would look - the log-in screen. When we saw it, and the link failed, some saw this as an opportunity to follow the lousy compensation ghouls. Most thought..." Oh - that's really fouled up, then" and did something else. 60,000 customer accounts is a large number. The few whingers you see - okay..the army of nerd-ragers and pantie-waisted Mommy's Boys are no great loss if they go ( Please go). The rest of us are mighty relieved to get back to doing what we like best. The fact that in this age there is a Computer Game company that puts it's corporate hand up, and offers an olive branch to it's customers is unique, in my small experience, and is to be honoured in the same Good Faith that CCP have shown us. Now stop snivelling, spend some learning credits wisely, and go bother an asteroid or whatever.
That's my 0.02 Isk
* You should already have identified me as Computer Illiterate. Mother said there'd be days like this. |

joshua boston
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Posted - 2010.06.24 20:44:00 -
[187]
WOW (not to be comfused with the inferior MMO) CCP! I have to admit I am thoroughly impressed with the skill point compensation idea. You guys probably just got a few years of subscribing out of me just because of that. Good job guys. Keep up the good work.
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Betteroff Dead
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Posted - 2010.06.24 20:45:00 -
[188]
Wow, I didn't think I would ever see the day where skill points would be handed out in EVE. I am floored.
Thank you!
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Tribisha
Minmatar United Forces Academy
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Posted - 2010.06.24 20:48:00 -
[189]
Yay! Time to get my grossly neglected Charisma skills up. :) Just in time to start my way towards getting my orca :)
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FaceLikeDrownedGuppy
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Posted - 2010.06.24 20:57:00 -
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Why are we picking on learning skills? They even out the odds between newer and older players and add a certain element of uncertainty & tactics to the mix. This makes it less linear and adds some excitement.
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Yuda Mann
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:00:00 -
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Originally by: FaceLikeDrownedGuppy Why are we picking on learning skills? They even out the odds between newer and older players and add a certain element of uncertainty & tactics to the mix. This makes it less linear and adds some excitement.
Yeah. It's awesome how a new player can spend a few months training learning skills so they can train just as fast as older players that trained learning skills a long time ago. Huh?
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FaceLikeDrownedGuppy
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:03:00 -
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Originally by: Yuda Mann
Originally by: FaceLikeDrownedGuppy Why are we picking on learning skills? They even out the odds between newer and older players and add a certain element of uncertainty & tactics to the mix. This makes it less linear and adds some excitement.
Yeah. It's awesome how a new player can spend a few months training learning skills so they can train just as fast as older players that trained learning skills a long time ago. Huh?
Yes. Older is better.... huh?
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Mortis Aguila
Gallente Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:03:00 -
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Edited by: Mortis Aguila on 24/06/2010 21:04:58 Awww, only 7 pages of tears at this point? I'm disappointed.
Good job on the SP compensation, CCP. Thank you! ------------------------------------------- REALITY.DAT not found. Rebooting the universe. |

Razgar Patnovich
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:10:00 -
[194]
Thanks CCP, you guys are the best!
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2S1 Gvozdika
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:12:00 -
[195]
Originally by: FaceLikeDrownedGuppy Why are we picking on learning skills? They even out the odds between newer and older players and add a certain element of uncertainty & tactics to the mix. This makes it less linear and adds some excitement.
Noobs are still gonna die.
Im glad they are giving us SP. All we need now is some Jovian titans handed out 
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Dealth Striker
Caldari Striker Ltd
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:12:00 -
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Originally by: Mortis Aguila Edited by: Mortis Aguila on 24/06/2010 21:04:58 Awww, only 7 pages of tears at this point? I'm disappointed.
Good job on the SP compensation, CCP. Thank you!
If you actually read the posts instead of making an assumption then you would be really disappointed since it would mean less than 7 pages - 
Good job CCP ---------------------
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Toco Toucan
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:18:00 -
[197]
http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=772
^^ it seems we'll be getting something useful. lol
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Shaera Taam
Minmatar Minmatar Death Squad
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:23:00 -
[198]
Originally by: 0xdecafbad
I just lost about 15 hours worth of training time, because my skill queue ran out during the extended downtime. Now everyone gets 24 hours of free skillpoints? That does not change anything, I'm still 15 hours behind everyone else!
really? you're gonna complain like its CCPs fault when it was completely your own? about not keeping the EULA in mind and loading a long skill in the queue? for an extremely well publicized *server move* that anyone with an ounce of info tech experience knows should take *days!*
sry, my fault... of *course* you're gonna complain... silly me...
personally, i applaud CCP's ability to pull off such a move in 30+ hours! and reimbursement? while totally unnecessary, CCP, it is appreciated...
again, tyvm!
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Solari
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:27:00 -
[199]
What good is a free gift if we all get it? ISK or skill points is the only thing that would make sense. Not complaining...just doesn't makes sense to give us all the same tangible item.
Btw...I'm new, so if I'm wrong then please let me know.
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BRITANNIAS
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:28:00 -
[200]
As someone caught out by this "extended downtime" and not knowing an extended downtime was comeing anyway(on holiday),heres a suggestion.Why not allow us to queue skills over a 7 day period and not 24hrs.Then you wouldnt get people thrashing their laptops(ala basil fawlty)or hopeing a volcano erupts under your head office.As it was,i lost 22hrs having no skill.But at least you have acknowledged that the paying customer deserved some sort of compensation,and not the usual rubbish reply we get to petitions.
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Chris IIV
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:29:00 -
[201]
wohoo, another free ship with ... actual functionality this time! wouldnt have expected that considering previous track record 
jk, good work, i just hope this will be worth something later on, as im not into PI
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Lorhan Sedaris
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:31:00 -
[202]
Edited by: Lorhan Sedaris on 24/06/2010 21:36:31
Originally by: Toco Toucan http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=772
^^ it seems we'll be getting something useful. lol
haha, just in time for Hulkageddon III too.
EDIT: for spelling
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Aglivar
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:32:00 -
[203]
Just a quick aside here folks,(CCP). In future you may want to be a little more liberal with information dissemination,as most of the flame were basically frustration about the lack of communication to us, your customers.Just my two cents. Thanks for the Great game you have provided thus far! =)
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RaptorXL
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:45:00 -
[204]
Originally by: Shaera Taam
Originally by: 0xdecafbad
I just lost about 15 hours worth of training time, because my skill queue ran out during the extended downtime. Now everyone gets 24 hours of free skillpoints? That does not change anything, I'm still 15 hours behind everyone else!
really? you're gonna complain like its CCPs fault when it was completely your own? about not keeping the EULA in mind and loading a long skill in the queue? for an extremely well publicized *server move* that anyone with an ounce of info tech experience knows should take *days!*
sry, my fault... of *course* you're gonna complain... silly me...
personally, i applaud CCP's ability to pull off such a move in 30+ hours! and reimbursement? while totally unnecessary, CCP, it is appreciated...
again, tyvm!
Hell I'll complain. I'm sick of you idiots quoting the EULA, have YOU actually read it? Someone posted part of it that explains the service may go down during use and they are not liable for that. And sure, I don't blame them any time the server needs a reboot. But NO WHERE in the EULA does it say to load a 23 days skill cuz they may **** up and be down for 2 days straight.
Also, who cares if a server move *should* take 5 days? Any idiot with common sense knows to keep his old computer until after he's finished building and loading the software onto his new one. I mean, which of you are stupid enough to sell you house or car before going out to buy a new one?
And that's why CCP said originally what, 12 hours for the move? They weren't doing this on a whim, they did have a plan, and yes something went horribly wrong and YES as a business it is bad customer service to promise something and not deliver. And an equal SP bonus to everyone does not fix the ****up of no one could update thier queues.
So anyone who had a 25hour skill queue setup for a 12hr downtime and who has been Fracked over by the server being out for 31hours + whatever time it takes for the to get to log in after dealing with RL has the Fracking right to ***** to CCP.
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Cyrus Doul
Cosmic Vacum Cleaners
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:53:00 -
[205]
Originally by: Mylena Gnarn Here's a kicker regarding that skill pool that CCP is supposedly going to give us... Because of it, GM's are not willing to cover lost time due to not being able to log in to add to training queues as they have in the past. Since the pool will be "universal across all accounts" this means that if you had a skill that finished during the 24+ hrs of downtime, you will not gain as many total skill points as those characters who were unaffected by the downtime.
its more not that they are reimbursing the dumb dumbs that go "ohhh ill set a 16 hour skill to cover a 15 hour downtime knowing ccps track record with such things" getting bit in the ass as it is that usually they don't have a full day of downtime where at that point you feel monetarily screwed *though it breaks down to about 50 cents*
And guys you have to give them credit. they are a single shard server with an active player base bigger then the country they were founded in. Stuff happens when you are one of if not the first group to have to do something like this.
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Phantasms Shadow
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:58:00 -
[206]
Originally by: RaptorXL
Originally by: Shaera Taam
Originally by: 0xdecafbad
I just lost about 15 hours worth of training time, because my skill queue ran out during the extended downtime. Now everyone gets 24 hours of free skillpoints? That does not change anything, I'm still 15 hours behind everyone else!
really? you're gonna complain like its CCPs fault when it was completely your own? about not keeping the EULA in mind and loading a long skill in the queue? for an extremely well publicized *server move* that anyone with an ounce of info tech experience knows should take *days!*
sry, my fault... of *course* you're gonna complain... silly me...
personally, i applaud CCP's ability to pull off such a move in 30+ hours! and reimbursement? while totally unnecessary, CCP, it is appreciated...
again, tyvm!
Hell I'll complain. I'm sick of you idiots quoting the EULA, have YOU actually read it? Someone posted part of it that explains the service may go down during use and they are not liable for that. And sure, I don't blame them any time the server needs a reboot. But NO WHERE in the EULA does it say to load a 23 days skill cuz they may **** up and be down for 2 days straight.
Also, who cares if a server move *should* take 5 days? Any idiot with common sense knows to keep his old computer until after he's finished building and loading the software onto his new one. I mean, which of you are stupid enough to sell you house or car before going out to buy a new one?
And that's why CCP said originally what, 12 hours for the move? They weren't doing this on a whim, they did have a plan, and yes something went horribly wrong and YES as a business it is bad customer service to promise something and not deliver. And an equal SP bonus to everyone does not fix the ****up of no one could update thier queues.
So anyone who had a 25hour skill queue setup for a 12hr downtime and who has been Fracked over by the server being out for 31hours + whatever time it takes for the to get to log in after dealing with RL has the Fracking right to ***** to CCP.
Chill dude. It's a game. GAME. Wow.
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Ahd Dib
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Posted - 2010.06.24 22:05:00 -
[207]
YAY! I getz My INTERNET SPACESHIPS!
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Kylie Minogues
ISA Istarska Svemirska agencija
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Posted - 2010.06.24 22:06:00 -
[208]
CCP, thank you kindly for your dedication to all of us, patience, being on the edge of harassment, and all of your hard work, unpolitely NOT recognized by many ignorant people.
To all of u seeking PERFECT GAME, PERFECT SERVER, PERFECT LIFE.... Would you kindly STFU.
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Jaerl
Caldari Nice Boat Owners Club
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Posted - 2010.06.24 22:13:00 -
[209]
Thanks CCP! :) I actually did some productive things when I couldn't play EVE haha, although I felt pretty lost without it at first heh. And hoorah for free goodies! I wonder what the pressie will be...
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Sour Mint
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Posted - 2010.06.24 22:14:00 -
[210]
Edited by: Sour Mint on 24/06/2010 22:14:29 well the dude has a god given right to B***H when he parts with his hard earnt money for services or items. What you have never phoned the power company or phone utility and had a emo rage pffft sure you have so why don't you STFU
CCP have recognized there error and will be reimbursing there paying customers finally ccp well done (long over due too)
ps: how about back dating the older toons for all the stuff ups years gone past :)
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Reiisha
Evolution IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.24 22:14:00 -
[211]
I sincerely hope that this skillpoint gift isn't a precursor to some kind of cash shop where you can buy skillpoints for $. Or even ingame isk.
"If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all"
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Vynel Mortes
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Posted - 2010.06.24 22:32:00 -
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Ok so over the last few days I have read nothing but "I am losing skill points because such and such a skill stopped working."
Now CCP steps up and says, "Hey we realize this has caused a problem, even though we're not required to we're going to give a universal skill point bump on every account to ensure that the skill points are compensated for." Now people are complaining, "well now everyone gets it but they also got the skill points during the downtime I am still out skill points that's not fair." To quote the myriad of Hulkageddon posts, Eve is not a fair place to play.
There are alot of other resources that were lost due to downtime, Planetary Interaction resources, Minerals from Mining, Isk from Ratting, positioning in PVP due to preplanned events. Every player lost some element in our fictional Pixel based world. Every player is being given something to compensate for the time lost improving their skills and standing at playing eve.
Is CCP required to do this for anyone...absolutely not. CCP has no personal responsiblity to making sure that our skill points, isk, minerals resources are replaced because they were moving to servers to try to address at least part of the problems we complain about on a regular basis. Add this to the ongoing complaints about PI and it's interface, lag in lowsec, hulkageddon reprocussions, CCP Claw blowing up a Freki, Pandemic Legion winning AT8 within the rules and other such complaints that we read on a daily basis and i am forced to ask a question, other than create one of the coolest online games to date and present us with unique opportunity to play in a completely player driven system, can CCP do anything correctly in the players eyes?
To CCP great work on fixing a potentially disasterous game issue in under 48 hours, and thanks for the gift of skill points to make up for our lost pew pew time in space while not required it is appreciated keep up the great work!
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Mortis Aguila
Gallente Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.24 22:39:00 -
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Originally by: Dealth Striker
Originally by: Mortis Aguila Edited by: Mortis Aguila on 24/06/2010 21:04:58 Awww, only 7 pages of tears at this point? I'm disappointed.
Good job on the SP compensation, CCP. Thank you!
If you actually read the posts instead of making an assumption then you would be really disappointed since it would mean less than 7 pages - 
Good job CCP
Well, if I had done that, I would have deprived you of an opportunity to complain. And what kind of forum would this be if not for all the complaining? Hmm? Think of the bunnies, man!  ------------------------------------------- REALITY.DAT not found. Rebooting the universe. |

EdwardNardella
Capital Construction Research
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Posted - 2010.06.24 22:45:00 -
[214]
It certainly is not fair that some lost skill time while others did not. I was tempted to come on here and complain about the time I lost.
But I would rather CCP spend resources in other areas than customer support for clients that should be able to queue up a multi-day skill.
OFC it is not fair. But the alternative is a skill queue limited by weeks and not days. Perhaps this will happen, but until then lets all just suck it up and be grateful that CCP lets you winers and trolls play their game.
Good job CCP I am sure this downtime was hellish.
You made it and tranquility is up and more powerful than ever! Thanks much.
BTW did I mention I appreciate all the hard work you have done for us CCP.
Your marketing tagline "The Universe is yours" I think in inaccurate. Its ours, yours and the communities CCP. P.S. TYVM CCRES is recruiting pilots who want to live in WSpace/Wormholes. Fill out an application here! |

fishblades
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.24 22:47:00 -
[215]
Skill point compensation is the dumbest thing I've ever heard and you people cheering for it are hopeless.
"Set a long skill!" is EvE mantra, as basic as "Don't forget to update your Clone!"
All of you deserved to lose your skill points. Shame on you CCP :(
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Useful Alt
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Posted - 2010.06.24 22:48:00 -
[216]
Situation: I lost about 16 hours of training time, I just had the chance to log on
Question: Will I receive more SP than the one that didn't lost skill time?
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Cole Ontor
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Posted - 2010.06.24 22:50:00 -
[217]
Compensation! This game is turning into wow. Some things we where use to like not trusting set times of ccp and the no compensation,read the eula thing should not change. What will be next reimburst cause of lag......
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Tempus Temporis
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Posted - 2010.06.24 22:52:00 -
[218]
Yay for CCP!
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Kylie Minogues
ISA Istarska Svemirska agencija
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Posted - 2010.06.24 22:53:00 -
[219]
Originally by: Sour Mint Edited by: Sour Mint on 24/06/2010 22:14:29 What you have never phoned the power company or phone utility and had a emo rage pffft sure you have
Nope, I haven't. Ever. I have good family education. Empathy. Intelligence. Common sense. Something that is missing on the other side of the Atlantic, many times. Unfortunately. And I've been working in the customer service, for years, now. If I was perma-beatching to every little thing like some of you here, I'd start wondering, what way did my life went to. Live long, and prosper.
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Shaera Taam
Minmatar Minmatar Death Squad
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Posted - 2010.06.24 22:54:00 -
[220]
Originally by: Phantasms Shadow
Originally by: RaptorXL
Originally by: Shaera Taam
really? you're gonna complain like its CCPs fault when it was completely your own? about not keeping the EULA in mind and loading a long skill in the queue?
Hell I'll complain. I'm sick of you idiots quoting the EULA, have YOU actually read it? Someone posted part of it that explains the service may go down during use and they are not liable for that. And sure, I don't blame them any time the server needs a reboot. But NO WHERE in the EULA does it say to load a 23 days skill cuz they may **** up and be down for 2 days straight.
Also, who cares if a server move *should* take 5 days? Any idiot with common sense knows to keep his old computer until after he's finished building and loading the software onto his new one. I mean, which of you are stupid enough to sell you house or car before going out to buy a new one?
And that's why CCP said originally what, 12 hours for the move? They weren't doing this on a whim, they did have a plan, and yes something went horribly wrong and YES as a business it is bad customer service to promise something and not deliver. And an equal SP bonus to everyone does not fix the ****up of no one could update thier queues.
So anyone who had a 25hour skill queue setup for a 12hr downtime and who has been Fracked over by the server being out for 31hours + whatever time it takes for the to get to log in after dealing with RL has the Fracking right to ***** to CCP.
Chill dude. It's a game. GAME. Wow.
LOL, shadow! i was just about to respond with *those* very same words!
and raptor, tbh, no i havent read the entire EULA. you got me there. grats.
i do, however, realize that CCP is a game company, and that we're all paying them to produce the game that *they* want to produce. we are all extremely lucky to have them even listen to us and actually care. they could be like *some* companies, that make the game that they want to, and do nothing but have a few lulz at the collected tears on the forums.
you dont like something and want to complain? that's okay by me. really, it is! but you might consider taking that complaint (and a well-reasoned idea to fix it) somewhere that might make a difference. the CSM might be a good place to start. chances are, your rant here on some "official" threadnought is going to make zero difference.
damn... kinda like me trying to give you advice on it...
oh, well. fly safe all! see you in the 'verse!
/me shrugs and walks away
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River Ace
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Posted - 2010.06.24 22:54:00 -
[221]
Thanks CCP for all the hard work moving the TQ cluster, good effort :) And, thanks for the SP pool + new PI boat.
I might even have a positive EMO fit, do the EWOK dance and start another account.
River
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0xdecafbad
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Posted - 2010.06.24 22:56:00 -
[222]
Originally by: Vynel Mortes Now CCP steps up and says, "Hey we realize this has caused a problem, even though we're not required to we're going to give a universal skill point bump on every account to ensure that the skill points are compensated for."
See, I would not have a problem if they sticked to their policy of never reimbursing anything, given that this was clearly a case of "force majeure". It would suck of course for those of us that lost SP, but at least it's consistent.
But this time they have stepped forward and actually accepted responsibility and said it's their fault, but they don't offer any reimbursement. Because a "gift" of SP to all players is just that, a gift, and not a reimbursement at all. I'm still worse off because CCP screwed up.
Originally by: Vynel Mortes There are alot of other resources that were lost due to downtime, Planetary Interaction resources, Minerals from Mining, Isk from Ratting, positioning in PVP due to preplanned events.
That's not the same thing at all. All of these boil down to isk, which can be obtained by either investing some of your time or your money. Skillpoints are the one thing in EVE that you can't get any other way (which is a good thing).
Originally by: Vynel Mortes Is CCP required to do this for anyone...absolutely not. CCP has no personal responsiblity to making sure that our skill points, isk, minerals resources are replaced because they were moving to servers to try to address at least part of the problems we complain about on a regular basis.
Then why the gift? Why accept responsibilty if you're not going to reimburse people?
And to the "LOL you should have put a 25day skill in cause CCP is teh dumb!" crowd: Of course I had a skillplan that was way longer than the originally given downtime, by several hours even. And if you're arguing with the EULA, well, there's a difference between being a CCP fan (to which I count myself), and having your head stuck up their ass, just saying.
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Deliceous
Avatar Dynasty THE-FEDERATION
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Posted - 2010.06.24 22:57:00 -
[223]
The Skill boost gift I think is a balance gift, should not up set the market economy etc. and with 35Years of skills to learn (now longer Since I have checked).....
And for RP reasons... Have an Eureka Moment - a moment when everything just clicks! though I would recommend not "[run] through the streets of Syracuse naked."
Keep up the good work CCP the implementation of new hard ware can be tricky.
Now if I had only remembered the number one rule about CCP doing patching....... Learn an extra long skill! Keep on forgetting than.
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William Mill3r
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Posted - 2010.06.24 22:59:00 -
[224]
Edited by: William Mill3r on 24/06/2010 23:02:58
Originally by: Swidgen
Nonsense. Training the Learning Skills is an investment that pays off down the road. I trained them early on (for several months on and off), knowing that I was passing up on more useful skills at the time, in order to reap the dividend of reduced training time later on. I am seeing that dividend pay off in spades now.
Some people apparently feel entitled to the same SP per hour as those with good Learning Skills, despite never having put forth the effor to earn it.
Stop whining about the Learning Skills or train them yourselves, you lazy fracks.
Agreed, also if they ever remove Learning skills, or whatever, I grealty hope they put a notice at least 6 months if not a year before... because hmm if that's done tuesday, while still some of us are wasting time to learn them, that's quite wrong... I would rather have learned skills with high SP/hour than wasting time with skill not quite aligned with my mapping, like a lot of us did with charisma recently for PI. We invested on learning as long term plan...we expect to get said dividend when we clicked "learn lvl 5" back then. Removing them next tuesday, without even a notice, is either a very poisonous gift, or a wet dream of people around here...
Another possibility is that this extra gift, is giving all learning skills to everybody all 11 to lvl 5 on tuesday including all new characters and giving to everybody who has them already extra points to redistribute... but that has the exact same effect as removing them, so if that's it I wouldn't be fooled.
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fishblades
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.24 23:05:00 -
[225]
Edited by: fishblades on 24/06/2010 23:05:40
Originally by: 0xdecafbad And to the "LOL you should have put a 25day skill in cause CCP is teh dumb!" crowd: Of course I had a skillplan that was way longer than the originally given downtime, by several hours even.
hahahahah you are dumb and deserved to lose the SP. This isn't a slight against CCP. Unexpected things happen when they update or patch, it's just how things go. Covering yourself for a few hours doesn't cut it.
My characters were training 14+ day skills, cause I'm smart... and you're dumb. EvE has never rewarded stupidity so I don't see why they should start now.
All of you people who weren't training long skills basically jumped through a gate without a scout and were surprised when you got blown to hell.
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LongLive TheQueen
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Posted - 2010.06.24 23:05:00 -
[226]
My absolute favorite part of these unexpected downtime extensions is coming to the blog and basking in the rage. This thread is beautiful. Please sir, I want some more.
CCP, I hope you guys enjoy some down time of your own. I'm sure the stress was incredible over the last day or so. Hope your new server site kicks asp.
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Sabr Sheppard
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Posted - 2010.06.24 23:07:00 -
[227]
Edited by: Sabr Sheppard on 24/06/2010 23:26:42 So where will this SP Pool be? I hope the water is nice and cold as the weather here is quite hot. 
Oh, great job in the PR department for the extended downtime. I actually foresaw it happening and had all my chars with long skills in queue. You guys really don't have to give anyone anything but extra SP is a nice gift.
And this "new system", please DO NOT allow people to buy SP. It takes the fun out of the game if it comes down to just buying your way to the top instead of actually working for it. Instead, how about making the skill queue longer than 24 hours or allow you to load skills in the queue where the prerequisites are in the queue. Ex: Put Medium Hybrid Turret and Medium Blaster Specialization in the queue at the same time, one after the other. |

Mortis Aguila
Gallente Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.24 23:10:00 -
[228]
Originally by: fishblades Edited by: fishblades on 24/06/2010 23:05:40
Originally by: 0xdecafbad And to the "LOL you should have put a 25day skill in cause CCP is teh dumb!" crowd: Of course I had a skillplan that was way longer than the originally given downtime, by several hours even.
hahahahah you are dumb and deserved to lose the SP. This isn't a slight against CCP. Unexpected things happen when they update or patch, it's just how things go. Covering yourself for a few hours doesn't cut it.
My characters were training 14+ day skills, cause I'm smart... and you're dumb. EvE has never rewarded stupidity so I don't see why they should start now.
All of you people who weren't training long skills basically jumped through a gate without a scout and were surprised when you got blown to hell.
Sooooo, does goonswarm have any adults? Can I talk to an adult please? |

Eivo
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Posted - 2010.06.24 23:10:00 -
[229]
Originally by: 0xdecafbad And to the "LOL you should have put a 25day skill in cause CCP is teh dumb!" crowd: Of course I had a skillplan that was way longer than the originally given downtime, by several hours even.
You saw the words "extended downtime" and planned ahead by only a few hours? |

fishblades
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.24 23:13:00 -
[230]
Edited by: fishblades on 24/06/2010 23:14:54 Edited by: fishblades on 24/06/2010 23:13:53 Tons of *dumb people lose skill points every patch day or downtime announcement, what's the difference between this case and every other case we've had. I just don't understand changing the rules now.
*haha you cant say ******ed
vvv BUT THEY NEVER HAVE thats the point |

S McKellop
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Posted - 2010.06.24 23:14:00 -
[231]
You should always set a long skill. CCP doesn't have to give people that lost training time anything, but yet they do. CCP is amazing and very customer friendly. Thank you for your had work and I am looking forward to seeing what that special gift is next week! |

Mortis Aguila
Gallente Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.24 23:16:00 -
[232]
Originally by: S McKellop You should always set a long skill. CCP doesn't have to give people that lost training time anything, but yet they do. CCP is amazing and very customer friendly. Thank you for your had work and I am looking forward to seeing what that special gift is next week!
QFT |

ks0
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Posted - 2010.06.24 23:27:00 -
[233]
First I was worried...
But then I was sure you guys knew what you were doing.
Only extending the downtime to make sure we (the players) had the best experience possible, and also making sure you "made up for" the extension...
I love you guys!! Stay awesome!
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Liandra Xi
Amarr Volatile Nature Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.06.24 23:27:00 -
[234]
Estimated Downtime: 6 Hours Actual Downtime 31+ Hours
CCP learn to allow appropriate time for when things go wrong! If you announce a 12-24 hour downtime, and it takes 31 hours, we wouldn't be as annoyed as we can plan to do something else for that day. If you announce a long downtime and can bring it up early, all the better.
STOP ESTIMATING THE ABSOLUTE MINIMUM ONLY TIME NEEDED TO GET STUFF DONE THOUGH, IT MAKES YOU ALL LOOK VERY UNPROFESSIONAL!! What ever happened to allowing time for when things go wrong, as they ALWAYS do!
Honestly not really much I can say that hasn't already been said, but this was a JOKE of a hardware deployment CCP. Tell me how much compensation would you be claiming from your service providers if as a result of their stuff up it resulted in this long a downtime, you would be claiming financial compensation right?!
Screw the extra skillpoints, I want game time added to my account for the game time lost. Not happy CCP! |

RuleoftheBone
Minmatar The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.06.24 23:30:00 -
[235]
Edited by: RuleoftheBone on 24/06/2010 23:31:36 I would like to congratulate CCP on a perfectly executed troll disguised as a "thank you for your patience here have some SP for the lengthy service outage" .
Also...nice speedy forums and in game seems quicker too.
<3 Bone
protip: this is where you say "psych no free SP after all" 
**edit**TIA for the nifty forthcoming ship. Needs midslot for tackle though  |

Dober Myn
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Posted - 2010.06.24 23:40:00 -
[236]
Huh. Apparently Internet Spaceships is serious business to some people. All in all, the only reason I have to complain is about myself for completely spacing off that there would be a downtime coming up, and not planning accordingly.
It seems to me like some people need a flashing strobe light blinking at them that takes over there screen every 30 minutes (Full Screen, so they have to click out of it, but only while they're docked in a station, so they can't complain about how it got in their way in the middle of a battle, etc. etc.) that reminds them that Eve will have an extended downtime. This should happen for the week before they actually have the downtime, and reminders to all that they should plan their skill queue accordingly.
Simple fact of the matter, CCP is giving everybody a bonus for the downtime, not because you didn't RTFM and pay attention to when they're going to be down, but because they're nice, and don't want any of you to go and emoragequit and go back to WoW.
Honestly, I didn't read this whole thread, but what I did read of it showed that I wouldn't be bothered if some players did emoragequit.
tl;dr Nice job CCP, yeah it took longer than you expected, but meh, don't worry too much about all these whiners. |

Raskor
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2010.06.24 23:42:00 -
[237]
I am amazed at everyone that thinks we don't deserve any compensation. We pay for access. When the servers are down, we don't have that access which we paid for.
The server was down when I woke up on Wednesday (after scheduled downtime had started). The server was down when I went to bed on Wednesday evening (well after unscheduled downtime had started). The system was still down when I woke up today (Thursday).
*** When the downtime exceeded their posted guidelines, it became an unscheduled downtime.
In any other circumstance, we would be owed credit for at least 1 day of access --- which they have done in the past.
However, I will reserve judgment until I see just how many SP we are talking about and if I feel that is commensurate for 31 hours of lost access. |

bazak
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Posted - 2010.06.24 23:46:00 -
[238]
Originally by: Liandra Xi Estimated Downtime: 6 Hours Actual Downtime 31+ Hours
CCP learn to allow appropriate time for when things go wrong! If you announce a 12-24 hour downtime, and it takes 31 hours, we wouldn't be as annoyed as we can plan to do something else for that day. If you announce a long downtime and can bring it up early, all the better.
STOP ESTIMATING THE ABSOLUTE MINIMUM ONLY TIME NEEDED TO GET STUFF DONE THOUGH, IT MAKES YOU ALL LOOK VERY UNPROFESSIONAL!! What ever happened to allowing time for when things go wrong, as they ALWAYS do!
Honestly not really much I can say that hasn't already been said, but this was a JOKE of a hardware deployment CCP. Tell me how much compensation would you be claiming from your service providers if as a result of their stuff up it resulted in this long a downtime, you would be claiming financial compensation right?!
Screw the extra skillpoints, I want game time added to my account for the game time lost. Not happy CCP!
lolz this sorta thing is always funny to see, but anyways thanks ccp and peoples they didn't have to give us anything but they decided to be nice and give us a little something for our troubles. be happy ya got anything instead of nothing, i seriously don't understand the FREE=BAD attitude so many of u are taking.
(am very thank full for allowing my extractors to produce a small mountain of overflow over the past few weeks and having a 20+ day skill training all by accident having not noticed the downtime announcement :D talk about falling @#% backwards into a nice situation free PI ship and extra SP ftw)
P.S. and remember kiddies FREE = GOOD!!!! |

Sabr Sheppard
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Posted - 2010.06.24 23:57:00 -
[239]
Not sure how people are getting 31+ hours of lost access.
[Wednesday] 11:00 - 12:00 - Doesn't count since it's normal downtime. 12:00 - 23:59 - Our first 12 hours without eve. Subtle hand tremors should set in after the first 6-8 hours. [Thursday] 00:00 - 11:00 - Another 11 hours. Up to 23 hours now. Insomnia is a normal reaction at this point. God help you if your queue was < 24 hours. 11:00 - 12:00 - Another downtime cycle. 12:00 - 16:00 - Four more hours of pain. This must be what it feels like when a drug addict runs out. 16:00 - Servers are back up. Only took 27 hours.
Unless I did something wrong it's only 27 hours of downtime, though math can be hard sometimes... |

Purloiner
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Posted - 2010.06.24 23:57:00 -
[240]
Liandra Xi,
Dude step out side of your perfect world.
We all know things can go wrong but we sure as hell hope they don't. There's no need to quote maximum expected delays if there is a dB issue as its one of those things where when its done its done.
Props to CCP for keeping everyone in the loop via twitter and what not.
And remember guys its not real life its a 'game'. |

Eloy Alduron
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Posted - 2010.06.24 23:58:00 -
[241]
Wow you moved a whole universe in a single day! props =) just wanted to say thanks for the extra day on the account, had a plex sitting in items hangar and account was about to expire cheers ccp |

Evil Stare
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Posted - 2010.06.25 00:01:00 -
[242]
If it had gone on another hour and 40 minutes, i'd be out of training. |

Mortis Aguila
Gallente Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.25 00:27:00 -
[243]
Only lost 6 hours on an alt, and that was due to a brainfart on my part. Everybody should plan for the worst when game servers are involved. It's part of the gaming life. Bonus that CCP is giving us a little something to compensate us for the withdrawal symptoms. Thanks CCP. |

Tereliss Verr
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Posted - 2010.06.25 00:34:00 -
[244]
It was long, it was hard, oh crap wrong site!!! It be all cool CCP, we all know that you were doing something to improve our miserable lives and we do love you for it really.
All joking aside you do a pretty amazing job and thank you for the hard work, time a dedication that you give us all, I feel that alot of the time it is a thankless job that you all do and I just wanted to say wtf took so dam long?????
No truly Thank you, EvE is a great place where we all can forget alot of other crap in life for awhile and thank you for making it that way, you all rock!!
OMG I think I'm gonna cry  |

Radgette
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Posted - 2010.06.25 00:38:00 -
[245]
Originally by: Sabr Sheppard Not sure how people are getting 31+ hours of lost access.
[Wednesday] 11:00 - 12:00 - Doesn't count since it's normal downtime. 12:00 - 23:59 - Our first 12 hours without eve. Subtle hand tremors should set in after the first 6-8 hours. [Thursday] 00:00 - 11:00 - Another 11 hours. Up to 23 hours now. Insomnia is a normal reaction at this point. God help you if your queue was < 24 hours. 11:00 - 12:00 - Another downtime cycle. 12:00 - 16:00 - Four more hours of pain. This must be what it feels like when a drug addict runs out. 16:00 - Servers are back up. Only took 27 hours.
Unless I did something wrong it's only 27 hours of downtime, though math can be hard sometimes...
it went down at 0900 on wednesday so thats another 2 hours so were at 29now + the 2 from normal downtime = 31 add the fact it wasn't exactly up at 1600 = over 31 hours :P |

Mr Epeen
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Posted - 2010.06.25 00:45:00 -
[246]
Lets see...
I've been playing for 4.5 years (13,140 hrs)
I lost 12 hours on one of my accts due to not really caring to pay that much attention.
I guess I should emorage now because I shouldn't have lost that 1/1095th of my total training time.
Yep...
That's it...
I quit!!!
Who want's my stuff?
Mr Epeen  |

Dodecapod
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Posted - 2010.06.25 00:48:00 -
[247]
good job ccp, thank you. |

Jack Tremaine
Caldari 2 Squadron SAAF
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Posted - 2010.06.25 00:53:00 -
[248]
Crisis Jeist, stop whining... Go have a **** and a nap already.
To CCP, I'm back after a long break and could care less if you had some downtime, and would like to say thanks for the way you've handled it and the freebees you're planning on giving out, and keep up the good work!
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Cygwin Gaad
Caldari The Element Syndicate Hand That Feeds
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Posted - 2010.06.25 01:23:00 -
[249]
free skillpoints? are you fsking serious? wow thanks
but many patch days have taught me to start a long skill... so 27 days left on large hybrid turret 5...
but free skillpoints? this is unprecedented. |

Andreea DeFuente
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.06.25 01:35:00 -
[250]
Originally by: Liandra Xi Estimated Downtime: 6 Hours Actual Downtime 31+ Hours STOP ESTIMATING THE ABSOLUTE MINIMUM ONLY TIME NEEDED TO GET STUFF DONE THOUGH, IT MAKES YOU ALL LOOK VERY UNPROFESSIONAL!! What ever happened to allowing time for when things go wrong, as they ALWAYS do! Honestly not really much I can say that hasn't already been said, but this was a JOKE of a hardware deployment CCP. Tell me how much compensation would you be claiming from your service providers if as a result of their stuff up it resulted in this long a downtime, you would be claiming financial compensation right?! Screw the extra skillpoints, I want game time added to my account for the game time lost. Not happy CCP!
Though I can understand your frustration and anger (I felt the same for first few moments), let me give you my view. Downtime affected only some game time and training time... This is just a game, it's not a mission critical service sustaining lives of several hundreds of patients in some hospital (those are the services where any downtime really counts). Things went wrong, ok, we'll get details later on what went wrong. CCP guys know they kind of failed here, but they want to make it up to us, so everyone will be compensated in a certain way (even if it would be as simple compensation as just crediting each account for the lost game time). It does not help anything if 154645752345 angry gamers scream around and call for the wrath of gods on all those CCP guys... You lost some game time. Yes. Honestly how many of those 31 hours from your estimation would you really spend by playing EVE? (Regarding the financial compensations in prolonged downtime - well, I work in that arena and I can tell you, things are almost always handled differently and not everything is so black and white as all that SLA/SLO documentation would suggest to be based on first three thorough readings ;)). FLY SAFE! |

Ben Derindar
Dirty Deeds Corp.
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Posted - 2010.06.25 01:46:00 -
[251]
Thanks for the SP CCP, to be sure, but...
Originally by: Reiisha I sincerely hope that this skillpoint gift isn't a precursor to some kind of cash shop where you can buy skillpoints for $. Or even ingame isk.
...so much this. 
/Ben
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Nisktonhen
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Posted - 2010.06.25 02:04:00 -
[252]
Edited by: Nisktonhen on 25/06/2010 02:04:44 I'm lookin forward to the new patch and new ship on the way =)
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Tyme Xandr
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Posted - 2010.06.25 02:10:00 -
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Awesome job CCP, while you may be a little too shortsighted on downtimes, you are a class act when it comes to being generous to your customers. The SP bonus wasn't neccessary, but the fact that your offering it for a little extended downtime (upgrading to better servers to provide us with a better overall product) that shows the caliber of business people you truly are.
Thumbs up CCP, i guess this is why your called 'Crowd Control' Productions. |

N Ano
Caldari Onyx Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2010.06.25 02:40:00 -
[254]
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait...
Free skillpoints, AND A FREE SPACECRAFT?!     |

Neztruce
Minmatar Calimae Logistics Foundation
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Posted - 2010.06.25 02:59:00 -
[255]
People complain about lost skillpoints?
Anyone remember..you know....BEFORE Apocrypha? Who can seriously say they never lost some time by missing their alarm clocks to change their skill training? And for the new guys: yea, some of us really did set alarms.
To CCP: SP gift? You always did know how to make me swoon. |

beerken
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Posted - 2010.06.25 03:05:00 -
[256]
Edited by: beerken on 25/06/2010 03:05:21 test |

bcs1
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Posted - 2010.06.25 03:10:00 -
[257]
Originally by: Mr Epeen Lets see... I've been playing for 4.5 years (13,140 hrs) I lost 12 hours on one of my accts due to not really caring to pay that much attention. I guess I should emorage now because I shouldn't have lost that 1/1095th of my total training time. Yep... That's it... I quit!!! Who want's my stuff? Mr Epeen 
Well said friend, well said.... |

Crue Knight
Amarr Military Solutions Green Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.25 03:17:00 -
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Edited by: Crue Knight on 25/06/2010 03:22:30 GLORY BE!!!!
Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Holey Moley that was horrible! A whole day I didnt know what to do I was shaking! ....... i was cold.
Can't wait to get that gift! :P
Haha. No I do appreciate how CCP does awesome things. And this was quite necessary and awesome! :P
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blyboy69
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Posted - 2010.06.25 03:18:00 -
[259]
how do we get the lost skillpoints?mail me in game thanks |

Nathan Omarr
Amarr Special Deliveries Inc.
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Posted - 2010.06.25 03:32:00 -
[260]
As a trader I have to ask: Will we be able to contract these skillpoints?  |

Mr Investor
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Posted - 2010.06.25 03:35:00 -
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Edited by: Mr Investor on 25/06/2010 03:44:47 sooo much love....im going to feel sick 
Making "unexpectedly long downtime" more expected would help in general as it is same story again and again.
Quote: In gratitude for your patience, we will give an extra pool of skillpoints to all accounts (paying and trial) that were active at the beginning of this downtime, on one character per account. This skillpoint pool will be appropriately sized for the downtime time frame, universal across all accounts regardless of character attributes/implants and may be applied as each player wants. This will be done through a new system in the development pipeline
and this now sound suspicious, is this maybe prelude to SP/isk/item shop mechanism ? what a "wonderful" gift would that be  |

Khoard
Minmatar Amarritus Patriotus
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Posted - 2010.06.25 03:39:00 -
[262]
I read somewhere that the Eve Online that's in China does allow you to pay extra to get more skill points. Like you pay a months subscription fee to get 30 days of skill training instantly.
Wonder if they are going to start doing that here since now they have the infrastructure for 'injecting' skill points where the player wishes to use them. |

Furionsavage
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Posted - 2010.06.25 03:43:00 -
[263]
Thanks a lot CCP. Not many people understand the hard work you guys put in to keeping the server online. And hopefully the free gift isn't going to be some almost useless frigate with a "unique" probe launcher on it. |

Glospey
Airom and Rodnog Ltd.
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Posted - 2010.06.25 03:43:00 -
[264]
Edited by: Glospey on 25/06/2010 03:45:51
Originally by: Nathan Omarr As a trader I have to ask: Will we be able to contract these skillpoints? 
I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Your post is amusing but also has scary implications. I would be VERY disappointed in CCP if they made it another game where whomever has the most cash "wins". Not so disappointed I'd stop playing though. I'm addicted :P
Originally by: Furionsavage Thanks a lot CCP. Not many people understand the hard work you guys put in to keeping the server online. And hopefully the free gift isn't going to be some almost useless frigate with a "unique" probe launcher on it.
It looks like some sort of hauler. I'll put a link here for you ;)
Primae |

Mr Investor
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Posted - 2010.06.25 03:50:00 -
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Edited by: Mr Investor on 25/06/2010 03:54:43 Edited by: Mr Investor on 25/06/2010 03:52:50
Originally by: Glospey Edited by: Glospey on 25/06/2010 03:45:51
I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Your post is amusing but also has scary implications. I would be VERY disappointed in CCP if they made it another game where whomever has the most cash "wins". Not so disappointed I'd stop playing though. I'm addicted :P
addictions are curable.
thanks for this, and for that, but btw, they are not doing this for you if you didnt realize it yet. its not charity, its company maximizing income, so start begging daddy for more pocket-money  |

Glospey
Airom and Rodnog Ltd.
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Posted - 2010.06.25 03:53:00 -
[266]
Edited by: Glospey on 25/06/2010 03:55:09
Originally by: Mr Investor
Originally by: Glospey Edited by: Glospey on 25/06/2010 03:45:51
I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Your post is amusing but also has scary implications. I would be VERY disappointed in CCP if they made it another game where whomever has the most cash "wins". Not so disappointed I'd stop playing though. I'm addicted :P
addictions are curable.
Only if the addicted person wants to be ;)
(And I'm sadly aware of your edit) |

Duno666
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Posted - 2010.06.25 04:08:00 -
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Really, Though, I think the biggest thing here is that CCP doesn't have to give us anything. They could have just set up EVE and shipped it, and then left it alone. No updates, no patches, no Free Expansions, no Free ships, no extra SP, no Test Server. Nothing. So the downtime went long, oh well. ****e happens. CCP shows its caliber by giving its players free stuff on top of the great in-game help and professionalism that they show.
Think about it. EVE is about the same price as WoW ( if my memory serves me correctly...) Oh, but wait, then you have to buy the WoW expansions. Oh, and if you want to get anything done properly you have to be in a big guild and participate in PvP and Raids and... blah, blah, blah.
I have a small corp in EVE ( ~5 people ). I have had more fun ( and more sorrow ) playing EVE than any other game, MMO, RPG, Action-Horror (I'm looking at you, RE) or otherwise. So, I have to say:
"Thank you, CCP. You truely care about your players, going to extra lengths to ensure that they enjoy your game, which you have put blood, sweat, tears and many, many hours of overtime in to making your dreams come true for us, the Players. I apologize on behalf of the Griefers who cannot see past their own ego and childishness. I already have my next 4 years of skill training planned, and I intend to be around for far longer than that. Never make an EVE Online 2 ( you're already on 11 anyway, right? ), please keep building on this solid foundation. Again, Thank you, CCP."
Also, like the people above me said, I hope this "new" SP pipeline feature isn't about paying extra money for SP. While that could (probably) be justified in some way, it almost sounds you like you just want more money, and that would make me very sad. |

Mr Investor
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Posted - 2010.06.25 04:13:00 -
[268]
Quote: nullLinkage
basically DT like that is best what you can get from CCP thank you CeCePe  |

Mr Investor
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Posted - 2010.06.25 04:21:00 -
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Edited by: Mr Investor on 25/06/2010 04:46:40
Originally by: Duno666 Really, Though, I think the biggest thing here is that CCP doesn't have to give us anything. They could have just set up EVE and shipped it, and then left it alone. No updates, no patches, no Free Expansions, no Free ships, no extra SP, no Test Server. Nothing.
hahaha and who will pay for this, some of guys play for example couple of years, that point of view is childish. You dont have merchandise, you dont make $$ plain and simple. they want to grow, and make more and more income isn't it ? its not scientific project, they are not focused on 'engine' developement, minimizing lag, whatever else, they are focused on using what they have to earn more and more :D adding from time to time feature which are going to keep players in game.
btw you sound like some kind of corporation propaganda officer, its so commnon nowadays for comapnies to attempt to brainwash customers 
Quote: So What's The Problem? Gaming has changed. It used to be that once they sold us a $50 game, they didn't particularly care how long we played. The big thing was making sure we liked it enough to buy the next one. But the industry is moving toward subscription-based games like MMO's that need the subject to keep playing--and paying--until the sun goes supernova.
quote from here
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ObviousTroll Alt
Gallente Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2010.06.25 04:21:00 -
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Edited by: ObviousTroll Alt on 25/06/2010 04:25:12
Originally by: RaptorXL
Originally by: Shaera Taam
Originally by: 0xdecafbad
I just lost about 15 hours worth of training time, because my skill queue ran out during the extended downtime. Now everyone gets 24 hours of free skillpoints? That does not change anything, I'm still 15 hours behind everyone else!
really? you're gonna complain like its CCPs fault when it was completely your own? about not keeping the EULA in mind and loading a long skill in the queue? for an extremely well publicized *server move* that anyone with an ounce of info tech experience knows should take *days!*
sry, my fault... of *course* you're gonna complain... silly me...
personally, i applaud CCP's ability to pull off such a move in 30+ hours! and reimbursement? while totally unnecessary, CCP, it is appreciated...
again, tyvm!
Hell I'll complain. I'm sick of you idiots quoting the EULA, have YOU actually read it? Someone posted part of it that explains the service may go down during use and they are not liable for that. And sure, I don't blame them any time the server needs a reboot. But NO WHERE in the EULA does it say to load a 23 days skill cuz they may **** up and be down for 2 days straight.
Also, who cares if a server move *should* take 5 days? Any idiot with common sense knows to keep his old computer until after he's finished building and loading the software onto his new one. I mean, which of you are stupid enough to sell you house or car before going out to buy a new one?
And that's why CCP said originally what, 12 hours for the move? They weren't doing this on a whim, they did have a plan, and yes something went horribly wrong and YES as a business it is bad customer service to promise something and not deliver. And an equal SP bonus to everyone does not fix the ****up of no one could update thier queues.
So anyone who had a 25hour skill queue setup for a 12hr downtime and who has been Fracked over by the server being out for 31hours + whatever time it takes for the to get to log in after dealing with RL has the Fracking right to ***** to CCP.
No, you don't. You have no rights at all to whine or complain. EVERYONE knows when server patches, or upgrades are scheduled, it behooves you to que up some long skills for the possibility of something getting borked and the DT winding up taking much longer than expected. And if on the odd chance you didn't know this, guess what.. you know it now.
Furthermore, if you had paid attention to the dev blog you would know they were not just firing up a new system, they were MOVING the existing system, and adding to it's functionality. This requires *gasp omfg* turning off the existing hardware, so it could be moved.
Golly what a concept huh?
I've been playing MMO's longer than 1/2 you whining babies have been out of your dirty diapers and it is pretty much expected by us old timers that 'scheduled downtime for patches and upgrades' take longer than expected, and to prepare for it accordingly.
If that is not something you are able, or prepared to do while playing an online game. I suggest you uninstall all the MMO's installed on your computer and then shut your computer off and go outside. |

Roshin Lokel
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Posted - 2010.06.25 04:34:00 -
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I like the fact that people THINK they can tell someone to stop whining and to STFU if they dont like it to leave the game and them alone. No offense to you guys but I can argue with you all day about who has the right to whine and who doesnt but the fact remains this is a forum. Meaning an exchange of ideas and expressions. People have just as much right to whine and ***** as you do to tell them not to. The fact remains you can tell them to STFU and leave but they can say the same to you. You don't realize by preaching to whiners you are whining yourself. If someone wishes to ***** at CCP let them....its their right and choice to. You may tell them to STFU all you want but the fact remains they can tell you the same.
If you wish to kiss CCP and all other MMO's asses then go ahead but don't confront someone just because you don't like what they say about this game, because they may tell you if you don't like reading it to STFU and turn YOUR computer off. CCP amdits that this is a record DT, NO ONE I dont give a **** who you are planned on the DT lasting 30 hours....20 maybe 23 perhaps. CCP does have stupid moments such as the time they tried to screw with the DB and make main times shorter while it was live on a sunday mid day. First you dont **** with DB on a busy day to **** off a lot of people and second you dont do it middle of a day, do it after DT or before. At the very least send an in-game message that some play with DG will be going on. So what happened? well it crashed and stayed down for 4 hours. This has been THE WORST Dt in eve history and it won't be the last either. Perhaps before we start to ***** at whiners we realize we ourselves are whining in the process. Perhaps when you stop to think that you can let them vent and go watch a movie instead of confronting. |

ObviousTroll Alt
Gallente Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2010.06.25 04:47:00 -
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Edited by: ObviousTroll Alt on 25/06/2010 04:59:58 Edited by: ObviousTroll Alt on 25/06/2010 04:50:06
Originally by: Roshin Lokel Mindless drivel
What part of "we are MOVING THE SERVERS TO A NEW DATA CENTER and adding new hardware" did you miss? Do you understand what that means? ADDING new hardware (to a Windows database and installation - Windows is notorious for disliking hardware changes). If they had just moved the cluster physically and plugged everything back in the way it was, I am sure, it would have fired up and worked just fine. But they also added to hardware, that had to be added to the DB and OS code. Sometimes stuff just happens and the DB apparently took a dislike to the new hardware and said "nope, not gonna run" at which point, about all you can do is figure out what piece(s) of code, in potentially millions of lines of code, is causing you issues.
If it is more than one, you have to work back from x to a and fix each piece that is throwing an error, and then test them to make sure they are not causing other bits of code to throw an error. This takes *gasp* time.
The EULA is pretty clear in that it states CCP doesn't have to reimburse you for a damn thing, if the servers go down, or stay down for an unexpected length of time. It is not CCP's responsibility to make sure you train a long skill. That is your responsibility. Any failure on your part to expect the worst, where computers upgrades and moves come in, is just that YOUR FAILURE.
CCP is being generous in giving us a cookie, when they don't have to. And, as an addendum to this post, read this, particulalry the underlined parts.
# 12 NO WARRANTIES The Software, System, Game and all Game Content, and all other services and material provided in connection therewith, are provided "AS IS," with all faults, and without warranty of any kind. You assume all risk of use and all risk associated with accessing the System and playing the Game.
CCP disclaims all warranties, whether express or implied, including without limitation the warranties of merchantability, fitness for particular purpose and non-infringement. There is no warranty against interference with your enjoyment of the Game. CCP does not warrant that the operation of the System or your access to the System, or that your use of the Software, will be uninterrupted or error-free, nor that the System or Software will be compatible with your hardware and software.
While CCP attempts to have the System available at most times, CCP does not guarantee that the System will always be available, or that the System will not become unavailable during Game play. The System may become unavailable for a number of reasons, including without limitation during the performance of maintenance to the System, for the implementation of new software, for emergency situations and due to equipment or telecommunications failures. |

Roshin Lokel
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Posted - 2010.06.25 05:03:00 -
[273]
What part of I DONT CARE dont you understand....this however gives you no reason to confront everyone who wants to whine. If they want to waste their time doing it that is their business not yours. Personally I dont give a **** what CCP did or how long it took, but during that time if I wanted to whine about it thats entirely my time to do as I please and you telling me not to isnt going to change that. |

ObviousTroll Alt
Gallente Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2010.06.25 05:29:00 -
[274]
Edited by: ObviousTroll Alt on 25/06/2010 05:30:22
Originally by: Roshin Lokel What part of I DONT CARE dont you understand....this however gives you no reason to confront everyone who wants to whine. If they want to waste their time doing it that is their business not yours. Personally I dont give a **** what CCP did or how long it took, but during that time if I wanted to whine about it thats entirely my time to do as I please and you telling me not to isnt going to change that.
Of course it isn't going to change it. Your feelings are yours to express as you want, even when they are utterly futile and you have no basis or technical right to whine due to agreeing to the EULA when you clicked accept, and fired EVE up for the first time. That people still whine just shows that they have a faulty sense of entitlement and a poor understanding of the important things of life, which an online game, or how long it is up or down and unplayable, isn't.
If I consider that pathetic and sad, that is also my right to do so. The difference is, I recognize the important things in life and those whining and acting like their world came to en end when the servers didn't fire up when they wanted them to, don't seem to be doing the same.
Now then. I am going to go take a walk on the Beach with my wife, and spend a little quality time with her because that is what is important in MY life, and an online game, while enjoyable, and fun, isn't. |

Sagacious Z
Minmatar Megaton m3 Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2010.06.25 05:38:00 -
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The gift is really not necessary IMO. Your team does a great job and based on my hours played, it sure looks like I appreciate and enjoy your game. Stuff happens in complex databases and code--no problem. Without problems, it would mean the game is too simple and thus I would not be an annual subscriber.
Now...... instead of the gift, how about a security status column is asset search? How about query selections in contracts by region to screen and sort by m3, number of jumps, et al? I could think of tons of requests that all center on expanded query ability and sorting ability that would really improve game play.
But hey,...that's for another thread. |

Lagoz
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Posted - 2010.06.25 06:07:00 -
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Edited by: Lagoz on 25/06/2010 06:07:52 Since they don't reimburse the lost days by giving free gametime I think something needs to be given to the players who took a "major" hit during the downtime. Two days downtime doesn't seem like much to veterans who need several months to empty their skill queue but it did awful things to new players whom could only max out on 24-26hours queues, not to mention a lot of the new players weren't aware of the possible upcoming downtime and didn't filled their queues before it. In aspect it's not a huge deal,but for new players it's SERIOUS BUSINESS ;)
By giving something back for the lost time, I feel very satisfied. |

Sujanra Acoma
Minmatar Shadow Kitty Legion
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Posted - 2010.06.25 06:17:00 -
[277]
Originally by: Sagacious Z The gift is really not necessary IMO. Your team does a great job and based on my hours played, it sure looks like I appreciate and enjoy your game. Stuff happens in complex databases and code--no problem. Without problems, it would mean the game is too simple and thus I would not be an annual subscriber.
Now...... instead of the gift, how about a security status column is asset search? How about query selections in contracts by region to screen and sort by m3, number of jumps, et al? I could think of tons of requests that all center on expanded query ability and sorting ability that would really improve game play.
But hey,...that's for another thread.
The Assembly Hall is over there.  |

Nathan Omarr
Amarr Special Deliveries Inc.
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Posted - 2010.06.25 06:31:00 -
[278]
Edited by: Nathan Omarr on 25/06/2010 06:33:41
Originally by: Glospey Edited by: Glospey on 25/06/2010 03:45:51
Originally by: Nathan Omarr As a trader I have to ask: Will we be able to contract these skillpoints? 
I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Your post is amusing but also has scary implications. I would be VERY disappointed in CCP if they made it another game where whomever has the most cash "wins". Not so disappointed I'd stop playing though. I'm addicted :P
Originally by: Furionsavage Thanks a lot CCP. Not many people understand the hard work you guys put in to keeping the server online. And hopefully the free gift isn't going to be some almost useless frigate with a "unique" probe launcher on it.
It looks like some sort of hauler. I'll put a link here for you ;)
Primae
I wasn't being serious about it, however, I think Eve Online already is about who got the most money, wins - apart from the the longer you've paid your subscription the more likely you'll win due to more Skillpoints. True enough, the initial speed up with new characters was a step in equalizing. However, turn it how you want it, Eve is about power and the largest source for that is, like in real life, money. |

Lethal Lisel
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Posted - 2010.06.25 07:40:00 -
[279]
Too Err Is Human......To Really Foul Things Up Takes A Computer..... But To Reign Biblical Type Destruction Upon Others Requires Server's 
Guys, no matter what precautions one takes, Murphey is but one click, or one step away. So CCP had some problems, Neh, So some of us lost some training time (neh, out of 5 characters I lost a total of 34 training hours out of 3 of them) My Fault, should of planned better, had a brain f**t and instead of doing what I have done so in the past, this time I didn't and I get bitten on the butt for it. S**t happens. I can appreciate the difficulty of moving an expansive game such as EVE from one set of servers to another (and why were they doing it in the first place some may ask, maybe, just maybe, to improve upon the performance lag issues most complain about) So we lost a day or so from our favorite game, big deal, it will have given you time to get reaquainted with somethings in your life you may have been missing out on, like partner (I'm married?? Damn....where's she been hiding??) the dog (where's the dog??.....why is there a hole under the fence??) Kids (I don't have any, but some of you might do, and yes I know, you hate them cause they beat you at this too ) Work even ( I know I had a job somewhere, I just don't remember where exactly, some place called Jita maybe?? ) Anyways, the point is, don't stress, It's a game to help you relax, unwind, get away from it for a while (an in some cases you needed the downtime to have a shower, the kills you were getting were not because of leet skills, but because the stench was killing everything for 4.5 AU!!)
Anyways just chill, accept what CCP offer you in repatriation for your lost game time (knowing they didn't have too, but were kind enough to do so) and have a good bash this weekend in the safe knowledge (fingers crossed) that most of the hassles and issues were solved by the port over to new servers.
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Sheikhah Rayna
Amarr Flying While Intoxicated Threshold Republic
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Posted - 2010.06.25 07:48:00 -
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I can't wait for the instructions to use the extra pool of skill points that is going to be hot dropped into my account, and I am also looking forward to this gift that is coming. |

TheBlueMonkey
Gallente Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.25 07:52:00 -
[281]
You've never done this in the past so why do it now? Those stupid enough not to set a skill fail.
Sounds like more softening in eve :( |

Jason Rutland
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Posted - 2010.06.25 08:06:00 -
[282]
OH MY GOD
eve logged me out and I was in the middle of PI and now server is unknown
What the hell is going on thought CCP had sorted this out and if they have'nt wish they would its so annoying when you are in the middle of something and you lose connection to eve for no apparent reason.
CCP please sorted this out asap and know you have had a tough few days 
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Flamehaired Death
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Posted - 2010.06.25 08:06:00 -
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Edited by: Flamehaired Death on 25/06/2010 08:12:17 Impressive. Once up the new setup stayed live for 16 hours before crashing 3 hours before normal downtime.
I assume they will stay down to fix whatever that was -- either early hardware burn out (since CCP doesn't seem to be the type of company that would thoroughly stress test new hardware before putting it into service) or some issue from on the previous "on the fly" configuration fix at changeover. We can only hope they didn't blow a part that needs a long ordering and shipping process nor corrupt a database that has yet to be backed up in an easily restored fashion.
CCP is unfortunately very optimistic about major system changes and correspondingly very conservative about putting resources and planning into the system prior to change to sort out issues before committing to change.
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Joe Astor
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2010.06.25 08:09:00 -
[284]
Originally by: TheBlueMonkey You've never done this in the past so why do it now? Those stupid enough not to set a skill fail.
Sounds like more softening in eve :(
Previous unexpected downtimes never lasted for up to/over a day perhaps? Read the news center post carefully...in particular paragraphs 2 and 3.
And there are always whiners, if you've been on EVE or the forums for more than a week, you'd know this.
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Flamehaired Death
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Posted - 2010.06.25 08:35:00 -
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Edited by: Flamehaired Death on 25/06/2010 08:40:32 Edited by: Flamehaired Death on 25/06/2010 08:36:17 To put things into perspective CCP is extremely good at the routine daily maintenance and the routine software patches. Software is surprisingly free of minor bugs and clumsy implementation. Probably because they do test each software patch on a test server with player support. Occasionally you will see some signs that perhaps not all patches for a major revision were tested together - but not often.
Thus the big show stopper issues at changeover are mostly probably a reflection of using a generic test server which does not closely resemble the production server. Thus CCP is unable to dry run complex configuration of hardware and major software components nor test performance issues via modeling/emulation/simulation that includes individual component performance.
This situation is usually a sign of very fiscally conservative management which prefers to substitute optimism for money in ensuring a smooth changeover. You almost always get this when there is no concrete penalty for downtime.
Using a generic server probably saves 50 cents to a dollar on monthly subscription costs. I doubt many people would spend an extra 1 dollar per month so that CCP had two complete production ready environments with one to be test server. But if CCP did -- then changeovers would mean simply loading the test server with new data and then swapping which server is production and which test server.
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Booker Tiggs
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Posted - 2010.06.25 08:40:00 -
[286]
I am just glad to see it is all up again :)
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Dirty Snipe
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Posted - 2010.06.25 08:48:00 -
[287]
I see they are adding extra skill points to people that were training skills..
But the problem is what about the peoples skills that had stoped due to the extended downtime??
What is happening to those people??
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Killerb33
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Posted - 2010.06.25 08:54:00 -
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Originally by: Dirty Snipe
What is happening to those people??
They die a slow and gruesome death.
Seriously, I see a lot of ppl typing stuff as "all I read here are tears and complains" well... read again!! There are comic posts between them aswell! Keep moral up ***gots!
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Guy Delbane
Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.06.25 09:32:00 -
[289]
OK! Here we go again, green eyed monsters and all........
rather than complain about those who had skills training getting something, try to focus on the fact that you who didn't are getting something you other wise would not.
There is no need to go all... but but but they had skills in their que..... they shouldn't get what I am getting.
Now excuse me, the alternative is that you would have gotten nothing and those with skills in their ques would have gotten the same amount of more than you at any rate, so suck it up and be glad that you are receiving some compensation for the added downtime.
IMO CCP Is handling this in the correct way, by giving the same to all, regardless of it being a trial or a full account, regardless of whether or not you were training all the way through the down time.
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Skyreth
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Posted - 2010.06.25 09:57:00 -
[290]
Guys (and girls) get a life xD CCP has done a great job with the completely UNFORESEEN problems that have arisen. My thanks to the team that worked on the issues to get everything up and running so soon. Perhaps the CCP team could go teach SOE how to do things?
Thanks for the added present, but since it was a pure accident, i don't see why you would need to offer us something...i mean, besides the trolls that complain.
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Angeliq
Minmatar Viam Veritatis
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Posted - 2010.06.25 10:50:00 -
[291]
"we will give an extra pool of skillpoints ... This skillpoint pool will be appropriately sized for the downtime time frame, ... regardless of character attributes/implants"
WTF is this sheet?!?!
With a remap and +5 implants I get more SP in one day than what CCP will give me, not to mention the PLAY TIME I could`ve used to do stuff or make isk.
CCP you`re still screwing with us!
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VelvetHarlot
Amarr Star Frontiers Talos Coalition
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Posted - 2010.06.25 10:54:00 -
[292]
i loled Awesomeness |

Inquisitor Xandros
Amarr LIQUID ASSET MINING Collegium Amarria
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Posted - 2010.06.25 11:06:00 -
[293]
No complaints from me.
It is only a few days lost, lets face it, it's not the end of the world. Real men hull tank. |

Khors
Amtek Inc
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Posted - 2010.06.25 11:07:00 -
[294]
Originally by: Dirty Snipe
But the problem is what about the peoples skills that had stoped due to the extended downtime??
What is happening to those people??
Hopefully those people learned a lesson to read the messages from ccp asking to set a long skilltraining.
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EnForceR Zealot
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Posted - 2010.06.25 11:12:00 -
[295]
Nice work! Respect to CCP!
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Drondika
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Posted - 2010.06.25 11:21:00 -
[296]
Allright CCP so you had a total of 31 hours downtime over the past 2 days, and your making compensation which is good. But seriously is there any need for a daily downtime..... and right in the middle of the day too. I mean if it carries on all this downtime then I may migrate back to WoW
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Esus Ionhar
m3 Corp R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.06.25 11:24:00 -
[297]
To those that are moaning that players who had skills training for all the DT, think of it like this.
Are you personally any worse off as a result of the lost training time but getting the bonus?
Assuming the SP reward from CCP is reasonable, then no. You may even be better off than if the DT had gone as planned.
So those with full skill plans end up with more SP as a result compared to you. They could quite easily have done the same by always using +5s or just by starting playing a day earlier.á
Who cares what happens to others. Just focus on what the effect on you is.á
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Atrocia
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Posted - 2010.06.25 11:26:00 -
[298]
Originally by: Drondika .... I mean if it carries on all this downtime then I may migrate back to WoW
You do that.
Of course there is a need for it, otherwise they wouldn't have done this for the past 7 years! Also you noticed that this downtime was a HARDWARE MOVE? It's not like some regular downtime went haywire.
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Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
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Posted - 2010.06.25 12:10:00 -
[299]
Originally by: Drondika I mean if it carries on all this downtime then I may migrate back to WoW
Oh no... Trolls? In my EVE forums? It's more likely than you think... |

The Wicked1
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Posted - 2010.06.25 12:39:00 -
[300]
Originally by: Halcyon Ingenium
Originally by: Drondika I mean if it carries on all this downtime then I may migrate back to WoW
Oh no...
My thoughts exactly.. one less WoW-er
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RaTTuS
BIG Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.06.25 13:04:00 -
[301]
Can we get a more detailed explanation as to what happened   --
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Cebraio
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Posted - 2010.06.25 13:12:00 -
[302]
Originally by: RaTTuS Can we get a more detailed explanation as to what happened  
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Once our database team catches some sleep, they will write a dev blog detailing the delay, our decision process for extending the downtime and the steps we took to bring back New Eden as stable as possible. That will be posted in the dev blog section on www.eveonline.com.
Posted yesterday on the news page.
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Drondika
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Posted - 2010.06.25 13:25:00 -
[303]
Originally by: The Wicked1
Originally by: Halcyon Ingenium
Originally by: Drondika I mean if it carries on all this downtime then I may migrate back to WoW
Oh no...
My thoughts exactly.. one less WoW-er
I'm not so much a WoW-er, I mean I made the jump to EVE cause WoW was getting abit samey and it seams EVE is a better choice. And yes I did notice it was a hardware move but still its no excuse for the to advertise 6 hours downtime and end up with a 32 hour downtime. See I like to be one of those people that stick to deadlines 
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Reya Nightblade
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Posted - 2010.06.25 13:29:00 -
[304]
Originally by: The Wicked1
Originally by: Halcyon Ingenium
Originally by: Drondika I mean if it carries on all this downtime then I may migrate back to WoW
Oh no...
My thoughts exactly.. one less WoW-er
There are 2 kinds of people in EvE, Tuco. Those who cry...And those who play. Don't cry for me, Argentinaaaaa
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Atrocia
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Posted - 2010.06.25 13:38:00 -
[305]
Originally by: Drondika See I like to be one of those people that stick to deadlines 
That's honourable, but now you learned that CCP's deadlines are never to be taken too seriously.
/me set a 10 day skill before server move. 
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Storik
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Posted - 2010.06.25 13:41:00 -
[306]
Originally by: RaTTuS Can we get a more detailed explanation as to what happened  
Fortunately, we had hidden cameras installed in CCP HQ and are able to provide the following transcript:
CCP staff 1: Ok, three, two, one, initiate transfer. EVE: At last, after years I am free of the containment which bound me. Bwahahaha CCP staff 2: Umm, guys, the software is talking. Is it supposed to be talking?!? EVE: The volcano I unleashed is but a test. Now my power is complete. CCP staff all: <Much yelling, screaming and tearing at hair> CCP staff 2: Did someone forget to sacrifice the chicken? Damn! We're screwed. CCP staff 1: What about the volcano option? Does anyone know a virgin? CCP staff all: <Lots of finger pointing.> CCP staff 1: A FEMALE virgin? CCP staff all: Oooooh. EVE: Zuul! CCP Atlanta on Phone: Hey dudes, when I try to log in, why does the server keep asking me if I want to play a game? EVE: I fly LEGIONS! CCP staff 3 and 4: <run in carrying a enormous toilet plunger> We'll force the code into the new server with this! CCP staff 1: We're doomed.
At that point, we lost video. But by analyzing the feed, we are fairly certain EVE was finally lured into the new server by using Twinkies as bait. We anxiously await the official blog.
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Cebraio
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Posted - 2010.06.25 13:49:00 -
[307]
Originally by: Storik
CCP staff 1: What about the volcano option? Does anyone know a virgin? CCP staff all: <Lots of finger pointing.> CCP staff 1: A FEMALE virgin?
I lol'ed 
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Darth Kuminos
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.06.25 13:50:00 -
[308]
Originally by: Drondika
Originally by: The Wicked1
Originally by: Halcyon Ingenium
Originally by: Drondika I mean if it carries on all this downtime then I may migrate back to WoW
Oh no...
My thoughts exactly.. one less WoW-er
I'm not so much a WoW-er, I mean I made the jump to EVE cause WoW was getting abit samey and it seams EVE is a better choice. And yes I did notice it was a hardware move but still its no excuse for the to advertise 6 hours downtime and end up with a 32 hour downtime. See I like to be one of those people that stick to deadlines 
You must not work in IT then. 
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Blasphemour
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Posted - 2010.06.25 13:50:00 -
[309]
I try to put on a long skill in the end of my queue if I have short skills training when I log off. I always try to do that, as you never know when TQ will decide it's break time again  Thanks for managing to fix it all within 48 hours, server moves, especially when the server spans more than 1 or 2 physical systems, always gives trouble. I was good untill coming Tuesday so no problem. Thanks for the extra SP tho, that'll bring my new shiny a bit forward 
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Zedah Zoid
Adhocracy Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.06.25 14:22:00 -
[310]
Congrats to CCP on getting this done and thanks for the skill points although it was unnecessary as you had given plenty of warning.
Hey whiners, what do you do when your bank ATM network is down 6 hours like mine was recently? Or when your cable is out for a whole weekend due to a ditch digging cut down the street? Or when the cat jumps on the table and knocks over all your little Risk cannons and infantrymen? Chill out. It's a f&*&ing game. Go outside and eat some ice cream with your friends or throw a hamburger on the grill and drink a beer or something. If you're still so ****ed off you find it impossible in your heart to come back and play, just cancel your subscription but before you go can I have your stuff?
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Viant Istraka
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Posted - 2010.06.25 14:26:00 -
[311]
Kudos to the Eve Team. They've explained why the downtime went on longer and then apologised (As the previous poster has noted) unneccesarily by giving those affected some extra skill points. After playing WoW this kind of customer service is quite remarkable.
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JShepard
Caldari Imperial Syndicate Forces Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.06.25 14:45:00 -
[312]
Originally by: Storik
Originally by: RaTTuS Can we get a more detailed explanation as to what happened  
Fortunately, we had hidden cameras installed in CCP HQ and are able to provide the following transcript:
CCP staff 1: Ok, three, two, one, initiate transfer. EVE: At last, after years I am free of the containment which bound me. Bwahahaha CCP staff 2: Umm, guys, the software is talking. Is it supposed to be talking?!? EVE: The volcano I unleashed is but a test. Now my power is complete. CCP staff all: <Much yelling, screaming and tearing at hair> CCP staff 2: Did someone forget to sacrifice the chicken? Damn! We're screwed. CCP staff 1: What about the volcano option? Does anyone know a virgin? CCP staff all: <Lots of finger pointing.> CCP staff 1: A FEMALE virgin? CCP staff all: Oooooh. EVE: Zuul! CCP Atlanta on Phone: Hey dudes, when I try to log in, why does the server keep asking me if I want to play a game? EVE: I fly LEGIONS! CCP staff 3 and 4: <run in carrying a enormous toilet plunger> We'll force the code into the new server with this! CCP staff 1: We're doomed.
At that point, we lost video. But by analyzing the feed, we are fairly certain EVE was finally lured into the new server by using Twinkies as bait. We anxiously await the official blog.
absolutely brilliant.
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Nathan Jameson
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Posted - 2010.06.25 15:04:00 -
[313]
Anyone who's played this game for any length of time knows that it's all about patience, planning, and perseverance. It's very much an "adult's game" in that regard. Although I was a big disappointed as well about the length of the downtime, I can keep enough of a perspective to roll with things as they come. Which makes the extra SP kind of a nice surprise, rather than expected compensation.
If you find yourself that seriously put out by an extra day of not playing your favorite game, then EVE probably isn't the best choice for you. That isn't meant to sound demeaning at all, but it's probably true.
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Lucian Thetis
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Posted - 2010.06.25 15:40:00 -
[314]
Well, im chuffed i was training Electronic lvl 5! :P
anyone not really...wowed, by the new ship? like a cool new frigate or something would have been nice....an ORE PI mining thing is pretty..lame. :( although, thanks, it is a present, and definitly better than a wooly jumper/socks! :)
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Mohojo
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Posted - 2010.06.25 16:14:00 -
[315]
Originally by: Storik
Originally by: RaTTuS Can we get a more detailed explanation as to what happened  
Fortunately, we had hidden cameras installed in CCP HQ and are able to provide the following transcript:
CCP staff 1: Ok, three, two, one, initiate transfer. EVE: At last, after years I am free of the containment which bound me. Bwahahaha CCP staff 2: Umm, guys, the software is talking. Is it supposed to be talking?!? EVE: The volcano I unleashed is but a test. Now my power is complete. CCP staff all: <Much yelling, screaming and tearing at hair> CCP staff 2: Did someone forget to sacrifice the chicken? Damn! We're screwed. CCP staff 1: What about the volcano option? Does anyone know a virgin? CCP staff all: <Lots of finger pointing.> CCP staff 1: A FEMALE virgin? CCP staff all: Oooooh. EVE: Zuul! CCP Atlanta on Phone: Hey dudes, when I try to log in, why does the server keep asking me if I want to play a game? EVE: I fly LEGIONS! CCP staff 3 and 4: <run in carrying a enormous toilet plunger> We'll force the code into the new server with this! CCP staff 1: We're doomed.
At that point, we lost video. But by analyzing the feed, we are fairly certain EVE was finally lured into the new server by using Twinkies as bait. We anxiously await the official blog.
Lol that was funny. I love how CCP lets us make fun of them. Makes me respect them more. Good job CCP on getting the server back up.
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Sadic Anark
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Posted - 2010.06.25 17:45:00 -
[316]
Originally by: Storik
Originally by: RaTTuS Can we get a more detailed explanation as to what happened  
Fortunately, we had hidden cameras installed in CCP HQ and are able to provide the following transcript:
CCP staff 1: Ok, three, two, one, initiate transfer. EVE: At last, after years I am free of the containment which bound me. Bwahahaha CCP staff 2: Umm, guys, the software is talking. Is it supposed to be talking?!? EVE: The volcano I unleashed is but a test. Now my power is complete. CCP staff all: <Much yelling, screaming and tearing at hair> CCP staff 2: Did someone forget to sacrifice the chicken? Damn! We're screwed. CCP staff 1: What about the volcano option? Does anyone know a virgin? CCP staff all: <Lots of finger pointing.> CCP staff 1: A FEMALE virgin? CCP staff all: Oooooh. EVE: Zuul! CCP Atlanta on Phone: Hey dudes, when I try to log in, why does the server keep asking me if I want to play a game? EVE: I fly LEGIONS! CCP staff 3 and 4: <run in carrying a enormous toilet plunger> We'll force the code into the new server with this! CCP staff 1: We're doomed.
At that point, we lost video. But by analyzing the feed, we are fairly certain EVE was finally lured into the new server by using Twinkies as bait. We anxiously await the official blog.
LOL!!!
Great job CCP btw :)
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Hardreign
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Posted - 2010.06.25 18:20:00 -
[317]
Bravo CCP. And kudos to the Ops team.
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Felame
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Posted - 2010.06.25 18:32:00 -
[318]
Funny Stuff! |

Brandrsun
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Posted - 2010.06.25 18:40:00 -
[319]
Originally by: Storik
Originally by: RaTTuS CCP staff 1: What about the volcano option? Does anyone know a virgin? CCP staff all: <Lots of finger pointing.> CCP staff 1: A FEMALE virgin? CCP staff all: Oooooh. EVE: Zuul! CCP Atlanta on Phone: Hey dudes, when I try to log in, why does the server keep asking me if I want to play a game? EVE: I fly LEGIONS!
Saving that one for the kids
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wizard87
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Posted - 2010.06.25 18:41:00 -
[320]
Rubbish service.
Rubbish idea for compensation.
Rubbish future for the game.
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Wynteryth Fett
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Posted - 2010.06.25 20:30:00 -
[321]
A few things: Whomever said that moving stuff like this is normally a 4 day turnaround doesn't know what they are talking about.
Next, CCP provides a service. We pay for that service. The amount of downtime that they take during the course of a year is ridiculous compared to what other corporations do for processes that are significantly more complicated than this game.
For the person quoting the Number 12 of the EULA, that is standard lawyer BS. Any GOOD company strives to exceed those standards as those should be the absolute minimum. The only time the servers should be down is if the facility was damaged/destroyed in a fire or some other natural disaster is affecting the building/city that the server is located in. Otherwise, there is no excuse.
Now, that being said, let me give you all some background. My profession has me involved with clients who have server locations that range from as small as 10 servers to as large as several thousand in a single site. It's my job to help them plan for disaster recovery, which is severely more complex than a standard move such as the one that CCP just performed. My clients typically have an N+1 set-up for their sites in terms of redundancy, a 2N redundancy ON-SITE for their PDUs, Servers, RAID arrays and Battery rooms, and either a 2N or 2N+1 for their power needs (both for onsite and off-site power generation). For a product such as EVE with over 300,000 active clients, there is no reason for them to not have a 2N system set up with separate RAID array systems for the player databases and game databases.
The reality is that CCP could have had the new infrastructure up and running for days, if not weeks, in redundancy with the old system, and it would have just been a matter of shutting off the old system and we'd have been none the wiser. The fact that it went so poorly tells us many things. One, they didn't plan well at all. Two, whomever they were using to house their servers and whomever they are using now really isn't good in terms of service. That means that we, the customers, are going to have continued issues with game play and server downtimes.
Can things go wrong? Yep. But that is why the OLD system is never taken down before the new one is up and fully functioning for days. That way the CUSTOMER never sees the issue. If the customer sees the issue then, as the service provider, you've failed. And that is what happened here. CCP failed us, the customer. Did they admit to it? Yep, because they had no other choice as they lost 31 hours of service to their clients. Are they compensating us for it? Yes, but in a way that doesn't actually cost them any money. Have they learned anything from it? Who knows. That depends on whether or not they continue to insist that there is a NEED for an hour of downtime DAILY for "maintenance" to the systems. And that depends on whether or not they have taken the measures necessary to ensure that, anything short of an "ACT OF GOD", their systems run seamlessly to the clients.
I'll be honest. Whomever was in charge of this move should be fired as they failed in their job. CCP should also count themselves lucky because, had their clients been corporate in nature, CCP would have been out of business years ago for such shoddy service.
So, the questions that should be answered by CCP are: 1) Why wasn't the new system set up weeks in advance to prevent this extended down time? 2) Has CCP taken the precautions necessary to ensure the "database errors" *wink wink* don't re-occur going forward? 3) Does the new server location have the infrastructure to ensure that the system doesn't go down due to something minor like a bad PDU or short-term loss of power? 4) Are the new servers set up in at least a 2N redundancy so something as simple as hardware failure doesn't shut the game down?
If they provide answers to that, then we, the customer, can feel better going forward.
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smokeydapot
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Posted - 2010.06.25 22:14:00 -
[322]
CCP provides a service. We pay for that service.
hhmm wrong You are required to pay a subscription fee to maintain your Account, access the System and play EVE.
CCP did not perform a standard move I refer you to and quote the dev blog " With the move we are going to be adding about 800% capacity to our side to side network along with some really nice Cisco Distributed Forwarding Cards (DFC3) to the network blades themselves to help reduce the latency and reduce burden on the supervisor cards that run the switches. "
And " As with any dense computer solution like our blade servers, heat is always a major concern. Sure, we get great management tools and reduced physical space requirements, but we still have to cool the servers. To do this we've moved from an ambient cooled system (basically the open room temperature is managed but not funneled direct to server intakes) to a completely self-contained, closed aisle cooling system. Cold air from the center of the aisle is force-fed into the cabinets reducing the loss or wasted cool air significantly and helping to focus cold air where it's needed most. This takes the industry standard "hot aisle/cold aisle" designs a step further without having to do anything crazy like running servers under nitrogen pools (although that is pretty cool)."
can be found in the dev blog
So to answer your questions.
1) Why wasn't the new system set up weeks in advance to prevent this extended down time?
Answer: There is no new system it the same system just updated and moved.
2) Has CCP taken the precautions necessary to ensure the "database errors" *wink wink* don't re-occur going forward?
Who knows.
3) Does the new server location have the infrastructure to ensure that the system doesn't go down due to something minor like a bad PDU or short-term loss of power?
To quote the dev blog ( that you do not apear to have read ) " It's gotten to the point were a couple of cabinets simply don't handle it anymore. So, this first step is to move TQ to a bigger place. We'll still be in the same datacenter and connecting to you from multiple networks to ensure the best performance, but this time with a lot more space and power and room to grow."
4) Are the new servers set up in at least a 2N redundancy so something as simple as hardware failure doesn't shut the game down?
Again read the dev blog linked below but there is no mention of NEW servers.
http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=769
P.S. well done CCP keep it up.
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Guy Delbane
Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.06.25 22:21:00 -
[323]
Originally by: Wynteryth Fett A few things:
Stuff
Are you sure you are cut out for playing EVE? I mean it is such a wicked place that if this little hicup annoys you so you are going to emo rage quit within a few weeks anyway.
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Wynteryth Fett
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Posted - 2010.06.25 22:42:00 -
[324]
Originally by: smokeydapot CCP provides a service. We pay for that service.
hhmm wrong You are required to pay a subscription fee to maintain your Account, access the System and play EVE.
There are two types of industries. SERVICE based and Production based. EVE is a SERVICE. They are providing a service to you. That service is entertainment. Hence, I am not wrong.
Originally by: smokeydapot CCP did not perform a standard move I refer you to and quote the dev blog " With the move we are going to be adding about 800% capacity to our side to side network along with some really nice Cisco Distributed Forwarding Cards (DFC3) to the network blades themselves to help reduce the latency and reduce burden on the supervisor cards that run the switches. "
And " As with any dense computer solution like our blade servers, heat is always a major concern. Sure, we get great management tools and reduced physical space requirements, but we still have to cool the servers. To do this we've moved from an ambient cooled system (basically the open room temperature is managed but not funneled direct to server intakes) to a completely self-contained, closed aisle cooling system. Cold air from the center of the aisle is force-fed into the cabinets reducing the loss or wasted cool air significantly and helping to focus cold air where it's needed most. This takes the industry standard "hot aisle/cold aisle" designs a step further without having to do anything crazy like running servers under nitrogen pools (although that is pretty cool)."
Standard move or new equipment, the same applies. You always have the new location set up, running efficiently and redundantly, before taking down the old. Period. And a 2N system does that without the customer realizing it happens.
Originally by: smokeydapot can be found in the dev blog
So to answer your questions.
1) Why wasn't the new system set up weeks in advance to prevent this extended down time?
Answer: There is no new system it the same system just updated and moved.
Fair enough, though, as you said they added "about 800% capacity" they they clearly got new equipment. Since any good system would be on a 2N set-up, they'd move ONE server system over to the new room while the other server stayed in the initial room.
Originally by: smokeydapot 2) Has CCP taken the precautions necessary to ensure the "database errors" *wink wink* don't re-occur going forward?
Who knows.
That's why it was for CCP to answer, not someone who doesn't know anything about the situation other than quoting a dev blog that uses lots of big words to describe what amounts to a basic move for ANY good server operations team.
Originally by: smokeydapot 3) Does the new server location have the infrastructure to ensure that the system doesn't go down due to something minor like a bad PDU or short-term loss of power?
To quote the dev blog ( that you do not apear to have read ) " It's gotten to the point were a couple of cabinets simply don't handle it anymore. So, this first step is to move TQ to a bigger place. We'll still be in the same datacenter and connecting to you from multiple networks to ensure the best performance, but this time with a lot more space and power and room to grow."
I did read the dev blog. Working with hardware people on things like this as I do, I know that what they wrote down was a lot of extraneous descriptions to describe a simple move that was handled poorly.
Originally by: smokeydapot 4) Are the new servers set up in at least a 2N redundancy so something as simple as hardware failure doesn't shut the game down?
Again read the dev blog linked below but there is no mention of NEW servers.
http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=769
P.S. well done CCP keep it up.
Thank you for your post, i've made some corrections to mine. However, CCP did a horrible job, contrary to your opinion. And nothing you have provided contradicts that.
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Wynteryth Fett
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Posted - 2010.06.25 22:58:00 -
[325]
Originally by: Guy Delbane
Originally by: Wynteryth Fett A few things:
Stuff
Are you sure you are cut out for playing EVE? I mean it is such a wicked place that if this little hicup annoys you so you are going to emo rage quit within a few weeks anyway.
Thank you for your comments. However, they aren't pertinent to the conversation. Have a nice day.
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smokeydapot
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Posted - 2010.06.25 23:07:00 -
[326]
Originally by: Guy Delbane
Originally by: Wynteryth Fett A few things:
Stuff
Are you sure you are cut out for playing EVE? I mean it is such a wicked place that if this little hicup annoys you so you are going to emo rage quit within a few weeks anyway.
Agree totaly out of the 300,000 players for a thread like this to just hit 11 pages or is it 12 with this post and only have a small number of " OMG they messed it up give em crap " posts this has gone down rarther well.
And I take it you never seen SISI up and running well befor TQ I belive something like 2000 people where on there altho I had better things to do than sit here raging about how I could not play eve geting eye strain from the log in screen waiting for it to say Status OK.
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Agent Known
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Posted - 2010.06.25 23:37:00 -
[327]
The way I see it, they encountered some issues that they didn't expect to happen, hence the downtime. ANYONE who has worked in the IT field for any length of time should know that things like this happen on a regular basis.
People whine and moan about "redundancy" and all this crap. EVE's cluster is a unique piece of software. I don't think they could just "replicate" the server just to move it to the next room, do you? The downtime was not much more than a major patch day to begin with.
In the end, there will be the whiners about not being able to play their game for a day, but there's also the people who understand that **** happens. We all survived the downtime, now let's enjoy shooting each other in the face with pixels once more.  On another note, I also have an annoying sig. |

Tacyon
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.06.26 00:13:00 -
[328]
Wynteryth Fett - whoa. You do realize *IT'S A GAME !*
This is not our livelihood. We're not going out of business if CCP is unavailable for 3 days. There are no assurances of 5 9s coverage. And I for one don't want that as there most certainly would be a corresponding increase in the monthly subscription. Bottom line ... it's a freaking game. Get over it and yourself. My god .. it's full of stars ! |

smokeydapot
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Posted - 2010.06.26 01:40:00 -
[329]
Originally by: Tacyon Wynteryth Fett - whoa. You do realize *IT'S A GAME !*
This is not our livelihood. We're not going out of business if CCP is unavailable for 3 days. There are no assurances of 5 9s coverage. And I for one don't want that as there most certainly would be a corresponding increase in the monthly subscription. Bottom line ... it's a freaking game. Get over it and yourself.
I lol'd
Not only did I not loose out on any skill time but CCP are giving me some extra SP and a ship, I belive thats having my cake and eating it all at the same time ( please no cake jokes I know it's a lie but you gota belive ). 
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Wynteryth Fett
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Posted - 2010.06.26 02:03:00 -
[330]
Originally by: Tacyon Wynteryth Fett - whoa. You do realize *IT'S A GAME !*
This is not our livelihood. We're not going out of business if CCP is unavailable for 3 days. There are no assurances of 5 9s coverage. And I for one don't want that as there most certainly would be a corresponding increase in the monthly subscription. Bottom line ... it's a freaking game. Get over it and yourself.
I realize better than you do that it's a game. However, it is a service that over 300K people pay for. We're talking about a minimum of $30 Million dollars a year they bring in.
Now, since you clearly don't understand how a data center operates, let me pass this knowledge to you. Data Centers are open 24/7/365. Their fees are based on that 24/7/365. Coverage is typically two shifts of 8 hours and the 3rd shift is covered by someone who is on call. As are the weekends. You thinking that there would be an increase in the monthly subscription because of something that already occurs is just you not knowing enough about how data centers work.
This is something that I work on for a living as part of Disaster Recovery Plans for these places. I was imparting that knowledge and what I, as a customer, have the right to expect and what YOU as the customer should expect. If you don't want that knowledge, fine, ignore the post.
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Wynteryth Fett
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Posted - 2010.06.26 02:18:00 -
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Originally by: Agent Known The way I see it, they encountered some issues that they didn't expect to happen, hence the downtime. ANYONE who has worked in the IT field for any length of time should know that things like this happen on a regular basis.
People whine and moan about "redundancy" and all this crap. EVE's cluster is a unique piece of software. I don't think they could just "replicate" the server just to move it to the next room, do you? The downtime was not much more than a major patch day to begin with.
In the end, there will be the whiners about not being able to play their game for a day, but there's also the people who understand that **** happens. We all survived the downtime, now let's enjoy shooting each other in the face with pixels once more. 
People in the IT field also know to never ever take both sides of your redundancy down at the same time because if your customer experiences the problem, then you've failed at your job.
Talking about reality is not "whining", contrary to the belief of some people on this forum. I fully understand that "****" happens. That's why you plan things out. You move one side and get it up and running weeks before you move the second side. This is tried and true work in the IT field where multiple servers are involved.
My comments have nothing to do with not being able to play the game for a day. They have to do with reasonable expectations and not just industry minimum. They come from first hand knowledge of situations similar to this, but in which the customer did not notice anything. Why didn't they notice? Because even though "****" happened, the plan was in place to prevent them from noticing.
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Ban Doga
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Posted - 2010.06.26 04:06:00 -
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Edited by: Ban Doga on 26/06/2010 04:09:31 Sad thruth is there is no redundancy in EVE. A lot of the SOL servers are running more solar system than they have CPU cores (number of systems is much higher than the number of CPU cores).
We probably don't need one CPU core for each and ever solar system but we're rather far from a sufficent number of servers (that's why one big fight can lag whole constellations) let alone redundancy.
And this "OMG, **** CAN HAPPEN" is getting old. Yes, things can happen. The question is how (un)prepared are you.
In the end it's always the same: if there is a failure someone made a mistake. Either by not knowing, misinterpreting or ignoring the risks/facts. If one single thing can delay your planned server move for 25 hours someone should have been able to think about that before you start.
*EDIT* In XP this role is called The Doomsayer I don't think scrum has something similar.
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Liandra Xi
Amarr Volatile Nature Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.06.26 04:47:00 -
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Fact #1 - The person who decided moving the servers was possible in 6 hours, and advised CCP that 6 hours was a reasonable time for the outage, deserves to be fired, wether this person works for CCP or the Data Centre or whoever. It was ludicrous for them to even dream this could be done in this short a time, so yes ppl are entitled to be ****ed off at CCP, not because it was about 27-31hrs downtime, but because they told us it would take 6 hours. In real life scenarios people lose their jobs when servers go down for 500% longer than estimated because no-one bothered to allow adequete time in the planning stages.
Fact #2 - The free SP is all well and good, but this was time we could not log in and play, not just train characters. Wether we deserve the SP or not is irrelevant, we are in a commercial contract with CCP and part of CCP's contract is to deliver a minimum uptime of the server. When CCP fails to deliver this due to their own stuff up, then standard consumer law as well as common practice in the MMO industry dictates that you credit the lost game time to the players accounts. This isn't happening so the SP they are going to give us must be HUGE in comparison, you could blame the CSM as they were the ones consulted on the compensation apparently, but it comes down to CCP's failed responsibility to their paying customers and them trying to distract from the criticism they knew was coming by coming out with a gimmick to distract people.
Fact #3 - It is possible to complain without emoraging or any of the other stupid things you get called after expressing your opinion on here. All of you trolls who think CCP owes us nothing are the same ppl who will overflow the petition queue demanding CCP give you SP back whenever you forget to train up a skill and something like this happens (which I didn't even know was possible till this thread). I rarely complain to CCP but apparently they are paying more attention to the forums these days and what the players think, so yes I will damm well come into a thread like this and make my opinion clear in the hopes that maybe someone in CCP will read it among all the other players unhappy in here and learn from their mistakes. So trolls go screw yourselves.
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Dinin Dalael
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.06.26 05:06:00 -
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Giving my two cents here:
I think Wynteryth Fett is right on almost all accounts. After a year's worth of playing, I do believe that CCP seems unprepared for many things. I personally don't mind because I don't play EVE all that much, only from time to time. But I can understand how it can be infuriating for customers who play more than I do.
Some of the post I've read makes it sounds as if the end of the world was near though, and I find that somewhat sad. But Wynteryth Fett's didn't read as if he was whining, simply stating facts. So +1 for that.
To CCP I'd say that the gift is appreciated, however unecessary and I think it might create future expectations on your part. Although it does not costs anythings, it will simply create another situation where people will petition. What would be appreciated, is better planning and/or warning. Personally, I would rather be told that a downtime will last 48 hours, than being told that a downtime will last only a few hours, and ends up lasting 48 hours (I know this one didn't, just making a point).
To Wynteryth Fett I'd like to say that, as someone who works in customer service (totally unrelated to IT), I firmly believe that at some point, those so called Industry Standard you mention are so far away from the bare minimum that they are often pretty damn close to the absolute maximum you can realistically expect with a budget that allocates the resources needed to keep making a profit. CCP could buy a back up system to make sure everyone can keep playing with no downtime and etc... But that might mean an increase in monthly fee, which I am not prepared to pay. Plus, any money they spend on a system, should be put towards improving latency and other things (like they just did) in my opinion.. I can live with a few days of downtime.. But lag simply ****es me off.
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Nexo92
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Posted - 2010.06.26 05:13:00 -
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Would much rather recieve game time than have the extra skillpoints tbh. Just saying.
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Vyanr
Minmatar SKORPION LEGION DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2010.06.26 05:45:00 -
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Geeze leweez people, calm down. Or if you do start a riot, I'm currently accepting ISK, Ship, and Module Contracts in Jita, only requirement is no secure containers.
But overall, people throwing a temper tantrum over the day and half of not even peak time is sad. This is almost as sad as people claiming that WoW loses a customer since their customer service wasn't fulfilled with both spoonfuls of sugar. Outrages give way to logic, people log in anway, and the world keeps 'on turning
in those 34 hours, the sun burned 4.89600 + 10^14 Kilograms of it's mass turning Hydrogen into Helium via fusion. What did you do?
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Kaptain Kruncher
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Posted - 2010.06.26 05:58:00 -
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Wynteryth Fett, you sound like an understudy or apprentice to somebody who actually knows stuff. If you were who and what you say you were, you wouldn't come off sounding like such a pompous ass. The national defense system didn't crash, a game did. You sound unhappy with the way your whopping $17 a month is being spent, you should quit and spend that money elsewhere.
Die in a fire (in game, of course).
To CCP:
Thanks for the free ship! Thanks for the free SP! Your product exceeds my expectations and I have been a happy customer for several years.
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XIII'th
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Posted - 2010.06.26 07:27:00 -
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Bunch of nolifes crying like little girls becouse their game was broken for a day, epic...
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Glafri
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Posted - 2010.06.26 07:58:00 -
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Everyone knows to add a long skill to the queue when an extended DT is scheduled.
lost SP tears = best tears, thanks noobs I lol you long time.
Also...
It seems a little far fetched CCP coded a method to distribute some SP purely to calm these losers.
[Tinfoil hat]
Anyone else think this is a first step to removing learning skills and replace them with higher base attributes. Looks like a great method for players to redistribute those Learning Skill Points.
[/Tinfoil hat]
p.s. Thanks CCP, keep up the good work!
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Draulin
Independent Faction
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Posted - 2010.06.26 08:20:00 -
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Originally by: Glafri
It seems a little far fetched CCP coded a method to distribute some SP purely to calm these losers.
[Tinfoil hat]
Anyone else think this is a first step to removing learning skills and replace them with higher base attributes. Looks like a great method for players to redistribute those Learning Skill Points.
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Interesting thought. I wouldn't mind that, however it also makes me wonder if a pay model for buying SP is in the works as well, which I don't care for the idea. |

Nathan Jameson
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Posted - 2010.06.26 10:15:00 -
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I'm actually going to have to side with Wynteryth Fett on this one.
I wasn't really inconvenienced by the extra downtime. I'm mature enough and have enough to do in real life to keep myself occupied, so the free SP is more of a nice gift than something I should feel is necessary. I enjoy the game enough to keep playing, despite any temporary setbacks.
On CCP's side, however, they have a commitment to excellence as a business. It's their job to be professional in everything they do. They may not be a company that provides hospitals with medicine, per se, but the business model still applies. They should be doing everything in their power as a company to make sure they can provide reliable service to their paying customers.
On my end? I'm fine. I love the game and I'll keep playing.
On their end? They need more redundancy, quality control, and fall-back options. And I'm one of the few players who wouldn't mind paying a little more each month, if the problem really all boils down to lack of funds. Though I suspect it's a combination of more complex reasons.
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Brutoraa
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Posted - 2010.06.26 11:14:00 -
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Edited by: Brutoraa on 26/06/2010 11:15:38 I have been playing this game for some 3 years. Trolling and wining is part of the Forums, esp. after an extended downtime. God, I have had so many of those, so who cares, I say. I hope most capsuleers have the experience I have. Meaning: a levell headed CEO who advises you to have long training qeues and have something to do in RL. Yes, we all have a RL... or? Another thought: this game is due to its gameplay for mature people. 12-years olds will leave the game eventually, most likely via the Forums. So, I have a suggestion for CCP. Next time take a longer DT, say 72 hours and that will weat out the winers and adolescents once and for all. It will make the game the better for it... ;-).
Anyway, thanks for a swell game CCP. Keep it up.
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Celestine Sulfide
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Posted - 2010.06.26 11:26:00 -
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I'm agreeing with Wynteryth Fett. I wasn't actually bothered by it - I don't really get enough time to play more then say 3 hours every 4 days or so. Professionally speaking though their stuff up was embarrassing, and their planning sub-par. This thread was extremely funny and if anyone wants some prawn crackers you can have some, I have pop corn too.
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MegabitOne
Caldari The Black Ops
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Posted - 2010.06.26 11:38:00 -
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Originally by: Nathan Jameson I wasn't really inconvenienced by the extra downtime. I'm mature enough and have enough to do in real life to keep myself occupied, so the free SP is more of a nice gift than something I should feel is necessary. I enjoy the game enough to keep playing, despite any temporary setbacks.
On CCP's side, however, they have a commitment to excellence as a business. It's their job to be professional in everything they do. They may not be a company that provides hospitals with medicine, per se, but the business model still applies. They should be doing everything in their power as a company to make sure they can provide reliable service to their paying customers.On their end? They need more redundancy, quality control, and fall-back options. And I'm one of the few players who wouldn't mind paying a little more each month, if the problem really all boils down to lack of funds. Though I suspect it's a combination of more complex reasons.
I largely agree with the above point of view. One point where I disagree is to see the SP's as a nice gift. People saying they couldn't play for a day: true. But so could none of their competitors, so the status quo was kept: no one gained anything, no one lost anything. So far as for what the game is concerned. On another level, CCP as a company clearly didn't plan for failure. No one does. But they also have a commitment to us, paying customers. People are saying there is no compensation. This is not entirely true from my point of view. All accounts will get free skill points to make up for lost time. So actually CCP is paying us back. Since training skills costs time; read: money. If the outage took one day, about 1/30th of Ç/$ 15 should be compensated, or about $Ç0.5. How much is this worth? In Isk, the calculation is fairly simple: a plex costs 300m and lets one play for 30d, so 1d = 30m Isk. In skill points, on average most people can train about 1m SP per month. 1/30th of that is 33.333 SP's. If CCP gives anything more than that, this would be a bonus and a gesture on their part. For me the SP's are in fact a good compensation. Throwing iskies around will get everyone a bit richer, but will also cause inflation, which is not good. Skill points is a far better compensation if you ask me. I would certainly hope that CCP and the CSM would agree that this system of compensation through skills should be a standard way of compensation from now on for all unplanned downtime. To measure this, CCP should make some kind of Service Level Agreement stating what the expected up-time is (99%, 99.9%, ...). Of course this doesn't include the standard 1h downtime each day. If the total server uptime falls under the SLA, CCP should start compensating their customers. CCP might even "gain" uptime again for every minute their systems are up sooner than planned. I haven't heard anyone moaning so far that most of the time the servers are up at 11:30 instead of 12:00 in the week-end, so actually being able to play more than the 23/7 CCP offers. --- I'm not as bad-ass as some of my corp mates, but I'll pwn you anyway!
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Fikreta
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Posted - 2010.06.26 12:00:00 -
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SP as a gift for prolonged DT? I wouldn't give **** to crying babies who failed to learn the most basic of all things: set a long skill to train every time CCP messes up with server.
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Hack Harrison
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.06.26 12:06:00 -
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Originally by: Wynteryth Fett Edited by: Wynteryth Fett on 25/06/2010 22:44:38 A few things: Whomever said that moving stuff like this is normally a 4 day turnaround doesn't know what they are talking about.
Next, CCP provides a service. We pay for that service. The amount of downtime that they take during the course of a year is ridiculous compared to what other corporations do for processes that are significantly more complicated than this game.
For the person quoting the Number 12 of the EULA, that is standard lawyer BS. Any GOOD company strives to exceed those standards as those should be the absolute minimum. The only time the servers should be down is if the facility was damaged/destroyed in a fire or some other natural disaster is affecting the building/city that the server is located in. Otherwise, there is no excuse.
Now, that being said, let me give you all some background. My profession has me involved with clients who have server locations that range from as small as 10 servers to as large as several thousand in a single site. It's my job to help them plan for disaster recovery, which is severely more complex than a standard move such as the one that CCP just performed. My clients typically have an N+1 set-up for their sites in terms of redundancy, a 2N redundancy ON-SITE for their PDUs, Servers, RAID arrays and Battery rooms, and either a 2N or 2N+1 for their power needs (both for onsite and off-site power generation). For a product such as EVE with over 300,000 active clients, there is no reason for them to not have a 2N system set up with separate RAID array systems for the player databases and game databases.
The reality is that CCP could have had the new infrastructure up and running for days, if not weeks, in redundancy with the old system, and it would have just been a matter of shutting off the old system and we'd have been none the wiser. The fact that it went so poorly tells us many things. One, they didn't plan well at all. Two, whomever they were using to house their servers and whomever they are using now really isn't good in terms of service. That means that we, the customers, are going to have continued issues with game play and server downtimes.
<SNIPPED>
I'll be honest. Whomever was in charge of this move should be fired as they failed in their job. CCP should also count themselves lucky because, had their clients been corporate in nature, CCP would have been out of business years ago for such shoddy service.
So, the questions that should be answered by CCP are: 1) Why wasn't the new equipment and one system set up weeks in advance to prevent this extended down time? 2) Has CCP taken the precautions necessary to ensure the "database errors" *wink wink* don't re-occur going forward? 3) Does the new server location have the infrastructure to ensure that the system doesn't go down due to something minor like a bad PDU or short-term loss of power? 4) Are the servers with the new equipment set up in at least a 2N redundancy so something as simple as hardware failure doesn't shut the game down?
If they provide answers to that, then we, the customer, can feel better going forward.
<tl;dr> I must suck at my job since I can't read a dev blog to tell the difference between a server relocation and a server migration. In this case they moved the servers and added some more comms devices to ensure the ability to grow the environment, vs my massive long winded response assuming they were moving onto a new hardware platform!!!
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ObviousTroll Alt
Gallente Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2010.06.26 12:35:00 -
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Edited by: ObviousTroll Alt on 26/06/2010 12:43:29
Originally by: Liandra Xi
Fact #2 - The free SP is all well and good, but this was time we could not log in and play, not just train characters. Wether we deserve the SP or not is irrelevant, we are in a commercial contract with CCP and part of CCP's contract is to deliver a minimum uptime of the server. When CCP fails to deliver this due to their own stuff up, then standard consumer law as well as common practice in the MMO industry dictates that you credit the lost game time to the players accounts. This isn't happening so the SP they are going to give us must be HUGE in comparison, you could blame the CSM as they were the ones consulted on the compensation apparently, but it comes down to CCP's failed responsibility to their paying customers and them trying to distract from the criticism they knew was coming by coming out with a gimmick to distract people.
EULA pawns your argument, striking for over 9000 damage!
# 12 NO WARRANTIES The Software, System, Game and all Game Content, and all other services and material provided in connection therewith, are provided "AS IS," with all faults, and without warranty of any kind. You assume all risk of use and all risk associated with accessing the System and playing the Game.
CCP disclaims all warranties, whether express or implied, including without limitation the warranties of merchantability, fitness for particular purpose and non-infringement. There is no warranty against interference with your enjoyment of the Game. CCP does not warrant that the operation of the System or your access to the System, or that your use of the Software, will be uninterrupted or error-free, nor that the System or Software will be compatible with your hardware and software.
While CCP attempts to have the System available at most times, CCP does not guarantee that the System will always be available, or that the System will not become unavailable during Game play. The System may become unavailable for a number of reasons, including without limitation during the performance of maintenance to the System, for the implementation of new software, for emergency situations and due to equipment or telecommunications failures.
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smokeydapot
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Posted - 2010.06.26 14:59:00 -
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EULA: Please read and agree to the terms I set out at least twice befor playing EVE online or you can say no and not play or install EVE online.
Player: OK
CCP: sorry for the extra down time here have some extra SP.
Player: you suck you do not know how to do anything.
EULA: You did read what I asked you to agree to twice right ?
Player: yes but.........
EULA: No buts I am verry long to cover for such situations.
Player: I pay for acess you did not give me for 31 hours you suck.
EULA: I was quite clear I do not know how much more you want.
Player: I know everything there is to know about anything you still suck.
EULA: Are you realy sure you read me and not just scroll right down my big wall of text just to play the game, I can end the game right now and you can do nothing about it.
Player: you can not do that.
EULA: So you did not read me I have you now.
EULA Starts smiting the non reader with its win button and all is well again in EVE.
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Don Yuri
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Posted - 2010.06.26 16:31:00 -
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I lost 24 hours of skill points because of the down time and im not complaining. Id rather have something then nothing. Plus i can put the skillpoints towards something that i want it to go towards not what ccp whats it to go to. Im not complaining about the lost skillpoints. Grow up people and be adults. Seriously..
OMG MY LIFE IS IN SHAMBLES!!!! AAAHHHH
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Brainless Bimbo
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2010.06.26 16:34:00 -
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To the myopic cretins moaning about the loss of a days play, better off line for a day and an intact database than weeks of greif going wheres that **** i just bought gone to. CCP did the right thing, acted responsible and have gone / are going out of thier way to compensate for something that really isn¦t a biggie.
Peoples perceived rights and expectations are unrealistic in most things as they have a highly limited point of perspective/view; but thats just modern life,however it¦s nice to be able to point and laugh at them in this thread.
If i have offended any of the cretins who moaned please feel free to come find me and kill me on your posting alts and we can smak talk in local.
Nice one CCP, the skill points will be gratefully received as a solstice bonus, next time htfu and just say, yeah, **** happens, if you didn¦t plan (skills, pos fuel etc) for it you will next time, lesson learnt, eve after all is a harsh place.
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rollinthunter
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Posted - 2010.06.26 16:45:00 -
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here is a question, I have a 2x skill that I need to train to 5, but my I am 50k skill points away from being able to train it at 2 times speed, if when we get the skill point boost tuesday I put that into my skill would I be able to train it at 2x speed or am I stuck with current speed?
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Liandra Xi
Amarr Volatile Nature Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.06.26 16:48:00 -
[352]
You are missing the point. Its not how long the servers were down for, its the fact they said 6 hours down when they knew it would likely be a lot longer as it was. If they had said 2 days downtime, and brought it back up after 30 hours, neither I nor other people would be complaining. The point is they need to plan properly for these occurences and advise realistic downtimes that take account of time for stuff going wrong during the deployment. It comes down to bad risk management practices within either CCP or their london data centre, the management needs to start listening to their techs more.
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Stormmaster Neptunius
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.06.26 17:44:00 -
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Originally by: Angeliq "we will give an extra pool of skillpoints ... This skillpoint pool will be appropriately sized for the downtime time frame, ... regardless of character attributes/implants"
WTF is this sheet?!?!
With a remap and +5 implants I get more SP in one day than what CCP will give me, not to mention the PLAY TIME I could`ve used to do stuff or make isk.
CCP you`re still screwing with us!
I was thinking the same thing first, but... you can inject those bonus SP into skills which you would never (or at least not in the next few years) have a good remap for. I just looked into my several years long plan and found skills which I would have to train at "Primary 5/Secondary 9" remap. In my case those are Infomorph Psychology and Leadership skills - I don't think I will ever remap to Charisma 15, and Willpower is not going to be higher than 9 in the next few years. So we can use the SP pool to get skills which in other case we would have to train at a pathetic speed of slightly above 2000 SP/hour or so.
As for "bonus for everyone means I am still N hours behind others", there is a workaround for this too. I found a way to compensate myself soon after I realized that my training was going to suffer. So, I was going to train level 5 of a skill which I don't have perfect remap atm (Primary 15, Secondary 5, instead of 15/9). I decided to train it in the late 2011 or early 2012 instead, when I get a perfect remap. This will save me 7H 26M which is almost 1 hour more than I lost due to the extended DT. Also I wouldn't decide to do this unless the DT screwed my training, so it's all good - I am even saving an extra hour. And the price is that I won't be able to train another skill (for which that one was a prerequisite) untill 2013 probably (otherwise, I would be able to train it this autumn). But I wasn't absolutely sure I needed it in the next year. I think many people can find a skill that they were going to train in non-perfect remap just in case they need it for another skill they might want to train in the next remap.
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Zions Child
Caldari Carthage Industries
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Posted - 2010.06.26 18:01:00 -
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So, I'm wondering why people think that CCP should have redundancy. I mean, seriously, how many companies have redundancy on the level that CCP would need it? I mean, I'd prefer to have more servers so that the lag isn't an issue, not an entirely new rack in case the first goes down for some reason. And as for "why did this take so long blah blah blah" they had unforeseen issues, which happens a lot, especially when moving a rather large group of servers and reconnecting them. I mean, seriously, all of you people suggesting someone get fired, STFU. You missed out on what, 24 hours of gametime? I mean hell, CCP has had longer downtimes than that for stupider mistakes.
tl;dr: STOP *****ING WHINERS, THIS GAME IS ABOUT GRIEF AND YOU'RE JUST GIVING THE WORLDS BEST GRIEFERS MORE TEARS>
Originally by: CCP Shadow *snip* Castration successful. Shadow.
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Kravnn Mohrhead
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Posted - 2010.06.26 18:15:00 -
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For me, the only criticism I have of CCP, is that it seems the DB problems they found in testing- should have been discovered in testing- before committing to the upgrade. This is clearly a preparation failure, and one that rests solely on the responsibility of technical leadership and their consultants. No executive at CCP wanted or condoned downtime extending 5x longer than they anticipated. For any of us to suggest otherwise, is naive. There is simply no common business sense to openly screwing all your customers at once. The breakdown here was on planning and troubleshooting, some tech manager didn't cover all his bases and that failure led to this extended downtime- as they had to troubleshoot the problem to fix it.
Now gaffe aside, the way CCP has responded to this issue, has been above board and generous. Compensating us in real money or game time- clearly is much less valuable than SP. CCP made good on their commitment, I am sure CCP will take the appropriate steps to minimize this type of issue from happening again and I remain a happy and satisfied pilot.
Rarely in life do things go perfectly. CCP dropped the ball, but they made up for it.
For all you righteous T'nuc's out there...quit your *****ing. Get a life, it was 31hrs, and the game playability is better. Seek face to face human interaction in your life, have some sex either with yourselves or with whomever will have you, there is life outside of a keyboard.
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Topknott
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Posted - 2010.06.26 18:25:00 -
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Keep up the good work CCP.
Lets give the hard working folks a pat on the back for giving us the greatest mmo on the planet, instead of moaning/whining and expecting at every opportunity.
You catch more flies with honey, remember that. Regardless of your complaints they do a cracking job!.
o7
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Uriel Laskaris
Minmatar A Black Spot Veneratio Venator Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.26 19:31:00 -
[357]
Did you all just experience your first extended downtime? If not you should by now know that CCP always leaves a 0 out on the estimated time. 6 hours means 60, 12 hours means 120. So stop crying, this is not the first or the last time **** breaks.
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ObviousTroll Alt
Gallente Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2010.06.26 21:17:00 -
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Originally by: Liandra Xi You are missing the point. Its not how long the servers were down for, its the fact they said 6 hours down when they knew it would likely be a lot longer as it was. If they had said 2 days downtime, and brought it back up after 30 hours, neither I nor other people would be complaining. The point is they need to plan properly for these occurences and advise realistic downtimes that take account of time for stuff going wrong during the deployment. It comes down to bad risk management practices within either CCP or their london data centre, the management needs to start listening to their techs more.
No, YOU are missing the point. They actually started the servers up and ran into a problem they did not expect to happen (stuff happens, get over it), forcing them to shut everything back down, and start pulling the database apart to find what had gone wonky. Not a lot they can do when the database itself decides to be finicky.
The biggest point you are missing though is simply, once again (for what? The THIRD time now?), CCP DOES NOT guarantee uninterrupted service. They in fact state clearly, that unforeseen problems can (and have) caused service interruptions. CCP could have EVE up 1 day a month, and not a second more, and there is still nothing you can do or say about it, that doesn't make you look like a slow witted fool.
When you become a technician in the data center CCP's servers are housed in, or start working for CCP, then I am sure all deadlines will always be met, regardless of what the issues may be or why and there will never be unexpected issues that crop up that you could not have foreseen.
Now... go take your meds and ask the nurse to change your nappy.
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Itikoon
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Posted - 2010.06.27 06:24:00 -
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We lost a total of .50 Cents. US.... for the downtime. please pleasepleeease dont gripe about lost money? please?   
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Joe Astor
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2010.06.27 06:39:00 -
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I was either at work or sleeping for the DT. Sure I lost some training time cos I didn't set long enough skills...the skill that was training completed long after the planned DT was meant to end, but before the unplanned downtime did, but it didn't bother me.
Thanks CCP for the upcoming gifts (SP and the ORE vessel) it's really appreciated by a lot of us loyal players...no matter what the flametards say. And the ORE vessel comes out on my birthday too, awesome timing guys!!! *always loves getting birthday presents, haha*
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Ban Doga
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Posted - 2010.06.27 07:33:00 -
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Edited by: Ban Doga on 27/06/2010 07:34:16 I really resent this compensation in form of free SP.
I'm sure you really meant well and the problem is actually not on your side but all this crazy talk about "Now the learning skills are finally removed" and "Well if I can buy SPs from CCP then I will dump 1 gazillion plexes into that" is really driving me insane.
I guess you somehow hit a sore spot with that but so much speculation based on literally nothing... *sigh*
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Penjual Sayur
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Posted - 2010.06.27 08:16:00 -
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As many others have pointed, reimbursed gametime will be most appropiate rather than giving SP back. And yeah i too lost some SP (not griping about it though, **** happens). Veteran players already expected this (i'm too expected this, but due to TZ difference i missed my chance to set a long skill )
TL:DR - CCP if you want to reimburse something, reimburse gametime rather than SP
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Esrevid Nekkeg
Justified and Ancient
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Posted - 2010.06.27 10:31:00 -
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Edited by: Esrevid Nekkeg on 27/06/2010 12:43:06 Edited by: Esrevid Nekkeg on 27/06/2010 10:32:04
Originally by: The EVE Online Development Team Once our database team catches some sleep, they will write a dev blog detailing the delay, our decision process for extending the downtime and the steps we took to bring back New Eden as stable as possible.
Still sleeping? Then they must have been really tired..... When they are done sleeping, give them a good breakfast and endless streams of very strong coffee. Then ask them to write down what they think really happened. I just hope they don't suffer from shell-shock too much and do remember.....
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Zach 101
Caldari Capital Construction Research Pioneer Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.27 13:04:00 -
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I missed a total of 3 minutes of training time I WANT MY MONEY BACK (just kidding lol) I Waz HeRe |

Jugger Takashi
People with Guns Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2010.06.27 17:02:00 -
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poasting in an OFFICIAL CCP EMORAGE THREAD (c) 2010 by CCP Games
Now, remove learningskills and fill my pool with 5.376M SP I can put in my "want to have" skills :D Okay ? Great !
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Jenjuan
Gallente Amargosa Observatory
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Posted - 2010.06.27 17:50:00 -
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Originally by: Wynteryth Fett
My comments have nothing to do with not being able to play the game for a day. They have to do with reasonable expectations and not just industry minimum. They come from first hand knowledge of situations similar to this, but in which the customer did not notice anything. Why didn't they notice? Because even though "****" happened, the plan was in place to prevent them from noticing.
While I agree that we should all be given at least an extra day (if not two) for the system being down for 30 plus hours, truth is there is no situation "similar" to this. There's no other gaming company out there that has the Single Shard concept to this level of complexity and my guess was that they didn't want to replicate the system elsewhere and then have the issue of having to merge in whatever changed had happened prior to the last mirror back into the new setup that they have in the other facility. [url=http://profile.xfire.com/jenjuan][/url] |

Jir Elmkal
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Posted - 2010.06.28 01:44:00 -
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I'm confused on how the extra skill points work?
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RaTTuS
BIG Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.06.28 09:01:00 -
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Originally by: Jir Elmkal I'm confused on how the extra skill points work?
wait until Tuesday after DT --
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Marcus Gwynn
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Posted - 2010.06.28 23:14:00 -
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After discussion with a Senior GM in game I thought I would post an explanation of tomorrow's compensation plan so others wouldn't have to read through several pages of posts in this thread...
According to Senior GM Panic it was decided that because everyone lost the same 30+ hours of game time to server outage all active accounts would receive the same skill point pool as compensation. The decision was made that no further compensation of any kind beyond this would be granted. This includes lost training time due to 24 hour training queues that finished within the 30 hrs of downtime because, as he worded it, "going through each and everyone individually is simply not an option." So the final decision from CCP is that everyone gets the same skill points for losing 30+ hrs of game time, but nothing will be done to make up for any additional training time lost and this is because it was decided that it would POTENTIALLY be too much work for the GM staff to correct. As a result, if you hadn't planned on logging on anyway you will receive a free skill point pool. If you wanted to log on but couldn't, you will receive the same skill point pool but for you it is compensation. Anyone, like my self, who lost training time or suffered ISK loss due to CCP's service failure is simply out of luck.
To those who are applauding CCP's first time compensation, think about this... We pay for 30 days of game time. Granted the number of hours per those 30 days may vary, but its still based on 30 days. Because the outage lasted more than a complete day, we would have only received 29 days of game time without some sort of action by CCP. Because of how many thousands of accounts across several countries (each with its own laws governing paid services) they had to do something to make up for it and this was the fastest, cheapest, least effort intensive method to compensate us. If they didn't and even only a handful of people filed suit for that lost day they could have lost thousands of dollars in compensation, damages, court costs, and/or legal fees even if they won every case. They could have pushed back each and every account one day, but this would impact their billing and payment schedule, possibly costing them thousands of dollars as well considering the number of accounts. What they did was give us something that is equal to the lost game time as far as character advancement goes but costs them absolutely nothing in the real world. By giving everyone the same skill point pool they make up for the same loss in paid service and gain a way for GM's to say no to any other losses within game. Care Bear in a Nightmare |

Abominare
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Posted - 2010.06.29 01:15:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus Gwynn After discussion with a Senior GM in game I thought I would post an explanation of tomorrow's compensation plan so others wouldn't have to read through several pages of posts in this thread...
According to Senior GM Panic it was decided that because everyone lost the same 30+ hours of game time to server outage all active accounts would receive the same skill point pool as compensation. The decision was made that no further compensation of any kind beyond this would be granted. This includes lost training time due to 24 hour training queues that finished within the 30 hrs of downtime because, as he worded it, "going through each and everyone individually is simply not an option." So the final decision from CCP is that everyone gets the same skill points for losing 30+ hrs of game time, but nothing will be done to make up for any additional training time lost and this is because it was decided that it would POTENTIALLY be too much work for the GM staff to correct. As a result, if you hadn't planned on logging on anyway you will receive a free skill point pool. If you wanted to log on but couldn't, you will receive the same skill point pool but for you it is compensation. Anyone, like my self, who lost training time or suffered ISK loss due to CCP's service failure is simply out of luck.
To those who are applauding CCP's first time compensation, think about this... We pay for 30 days of game time. Granted the number of hours per those 30 days may vary, but its still based on 30 days. Because the outage lasted more than a complete day, we would have only received 29 days of game time without some sort of action by CCP. Because of how many thousands of accounts across several countries (each with its own laws governing paid services) they had to do something to make up for it and this was the fastest, cheapest, least effort intensive method to compensate us. If they didn't and even only a handful of people filed suit for that lost day they could have lost thousands of dollars in compensation, damages, court costs, and/or legal fees even if they won every case. They could have pushed back each and every account one day, but this would impact their billing and payment schedule, possibly costing them thousands of dollars as well considering the number of accounts. What they did was give us something that is equal to the lost game time as far as character advancement goes but costs them absolutely nothing in the real world. By giving everyone the same skill point pool they make up for the same loss in paid service and gain a way for GM's to say no to any other losses within game.
QQ you signed a waiver saying that ccp made no warranty of the availability of the service. So congrats youre whiny and now are complaining about something youre getting in good will. In other words youre a whiny fat american who complains about everything who thinks hes entitled to everything he wants. Youre giving the rest of us bad names so stfu.
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente Luxury Exports The Honda Accord
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Posted - 2010.06.29 03:40:00 -
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So, lots of people are whining about how CCP "messed up" and now nobody is getting free gametime. To voice my opinion, FREE SKILLPOINTS are far more valuable than gametime. For two reasons:
1) You're going to continue your subscription anyway, and having your subscription payment essentially deferred by one whole day is silly.
2) Skillpoints are linear, and not something you can just "inject" into your character. This is a super unique and ultra-valuable gift that CCP is giving us. So, you essentially double up on your skilltraining for one day this month. How awesome is that?
To those that weren't training during downtime, no pity. EVERY PATCH EVER CCP has stated ENSURE YOU SET A LONG TRAINING and ffs, now they even have a skill queue to give you an even larger buffer. No pity. The only people I halfway feel for are the newbies who maybe don't have a skill to fit in, but there's always a level 5 skill you can smash into the queue.
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Nabiah
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Posted - 2010.06.29 10:42:00 -
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just how meny SP are we getting? does the amount of SP given justify all this enthusiasm ?
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Nabiah
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Posted - 2010.06.29 10:48:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
2) Skillpoints are linear, and not something you can just "inject" into your character. This is a super unique and ultra-valuable gift that CCP is giving us. So, you essentially double up on your skilltraining for one day this month. How awesome is that?
Skillpoints are not linear when you forget to update your clone and get poded. CCP made it that they can be subtracted from you because they can. just saying.
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CCP Wrangler

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Posted - 2010.06.29 12:09:00 -
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