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Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.06.24 16:43:00 - [1] Edited by: Tippia on 24/06/2010 16:44:20 Originally by: Ludacrys >This will be done through a new system in the development pipeline I do not like the implications of this statement at all It means they've figured out a way to ditch learning skills. Dammit! Too slowà ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.06.24 16:55:00 - [2] Originally by: Ludacrys Why all the hate for learning skills? They are entirely useless meta-gameplay that serves absolutely no purpose beyond stalling new players when it comes to entering the game. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.06.24 17:11:00 - [3] Edited by: Tippia on 24/06/2010 17:12:13 Originally by: Felix Esperium Or do they assume CCP will remove the skills and adjust everyone's attributes accordingly? If they didn't adjust the attributes, there wouldn't be any need for the whole "pay back SP in learning skills" rigamarole, because those SP will have already paid themselves back ages agoà So yes. Originally by: Ludacrys i think they expect CCP will give everyone +10 on all attributes No. The expectation is actually around 12 or so. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.06.24 17:20:00 - [4] Originally by: AterraX Remove my learning skills, and I'll be ***ing upset...not matter what "lollipop" they offer as a surrogate... Free SP to spend elsewhere as you see fit? No need to ever train them higher (or again, if you want to use alts)? What's there to be upset about? ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki*
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.06.24 17:38:00 - [5] Originally by: Barakkus How much you want to bet they are intending on letting us unlearn some **** we mistakenly trained and have no use for with this new skillpoint distribution thingy? Very little, since such a mechanic would either have to be veeeeery limited, or it would essentially completely obsolete the whole idea of having different attributes. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.06.24 17:54:00 - [6] Originally by: AterraX I didn't train for full speed until I had them all at L5, that would need to be factored in too...if they are planning on giving new players +10 to stats instead. Factored in how? I assume you also want compound interest and ROI on the extra ISK new players get these days from the new starter missions and tutorials? Originally by: Barakkus I'm talking about unlearning stuff like Mining V or Scrap Metal Reprocessing etc, which I don't see how that would have anything to do with your attributes aside from the learning skills. It removes the point of having attributes thus: You remap to max Int/Mem. You slap in the highest possible modifiers for those two attributes. You start to "mistakenly" train forà oh, I don't knowà Neurotoxin Recovery V. 20 days later, you have 1.28M SP that, GASP!, you didn't actually want, so you redistribute them to something far more useful, such as the Cha/Wil-based Wing Command. But oh no! Since the skill is back to 0, you "accidenally" started to train Neurotoxin Recovery to V again, and 20 days later you have 1.28M SP that you redistribute into what you really wanted, which was Command Ships V (Wil/Per-based)à repeat until win. End result, no matter what skill you're after, and no matter what attributes it's based on, you'll always train at max speed because you can just collect SP in a skill based on the two attributes you've maxed out and redistribute those later. Attributes have thus lost the only purpose they have: to determine your training speed. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.06.24 21:09:00 - [7] Originally by: Felix Esperium How are they not optional? Everyone trains them. Yes, they're optional in the sense of "you can choose not to train them", but in practice, that's such a thoroughly stupid thing to do that the choice really isn't there. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki

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