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Hurtful Words
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2010.06.24 17:20:00 -
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"In gratitude for your patience and after consulting the Council of Stellar Management, we will give an extra pool of skillpoints to all accounts (paying and trial) that were active at the beginning of this downtime, on one character per account. This skillpoint pool will be appropriately sized for the downtime time frame, universal across all accounts regardless of character attributes/implants and may be applied as each player wants."
Hmmm...what to do, what to do.
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JitaArse
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Posted - 2010.06.24 17:49:00 -
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may this be a preparation for taking away advanced learning skills? :)
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Lilith Civire
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Posted - 2010.06.24 17:58:00 -
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 Originally by: JitaArse
may this be a preparation for taking away advanced learning skills? :)
boring, keep that discussion to the threads on general.
I'll probably do some really irrelevant skill to level 4 I guess.
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Viral Effect
Caldari
BRAINDEAD Corp
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Posted - 2010.06.24 18:05:00 -
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Originally by: JitaArse
may this be a preparation for taking away advanced learning skills? :)
I hope not since most people want to keep them.
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Marco P
Really Nice And Laidback Corporation
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Posted - 2010.06.24 20:01:00 -
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Originally by: Lilith Civire
I'll probably do some really irrelevant skill to level 4 I guess.
Might be a little tricky with only roughly 1 day's worth of SPs. |
Clueless Alt
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Posted - 2010.06.24 23:43:00 -
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Use them on skills that don't fitt your attributes (like charisma based).
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.06.24 23:51:00 -
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Originally by: Viral Effect
Originally by: JitaArse
may this be a preparation for taking away advanced learning skills? :)
I hope not since most people want to keep them.
You have some data backing up this claim, I take it?
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“If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡…
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
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Eno Lacigol
Amarr
Red Chimp Corporation
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Posted - 2010.06.25 00:13:00 -
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How do you receive these free SP?
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suckitdonks
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Posted - 2010.06.25 00:39:00 -
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sounds more like the start of SP reallocation
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Swidgen
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Posted - 2010.06.25 00:57:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Viral Effect
Originally by: JitaArse
may this be a preparation for taking away advanced learning skills? :)
I hope not since most people want to keep them.
You have some data backing up this claim, I take it?
Right after those who want them gone show data backing up their own claim. It's like people who never went to college proposing to eliminate colleges because they don't like the fact that those who attended one have higher earning power (SP per hour). |
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Frank d'Fairy
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Posted - 2010.06.25 02:01:00 -
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Edited by: Frank d''Fairy on 25/06/2010 02:01:57
Originally by: Swidgen
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Viral Effect
Originally by: JitaArse
may this be a preparation for taking away advanced learning skills? :)
I hope not since most people want to keep them.
You have some data backing up this claim, I take it?
Right after those who want them gone show data backing up their own claim. It's like people who never went to college proposing to eliminate colleges because they don't like the fact that those who attended one have higher earning power (SP per hour).
Evidence of what? SP/hour gains out-pace the time spent on learning skill after 3 years, therefor anyone wanting to play more than three years (or intending to) would want to train them as quickly as possible. This is an obvious detriment to building other important core skills.
Chock it up to another moron making the "learning skills = college" argument in a barely related thread.
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Stonie Bandit
Caldari
Fearless Bandits
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Posted - 2010.06.25 02:23:00 -
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Intention to commit to a single game for that long....never
Before you know it you are 3 years lost in space
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Faccat
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Posted - 2010.06.25 02:31:00 -
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The people with the skills want to keep their advantage. They want anyone new to suffer through a couple weeks of time sink that doesn't lead directly anywhere. Rather, they want new players to look at the pain it is do tread water doing the learning skills and instead choose to be lesser players in the long run by choosing to play the game instead of "play" the learning skills.
Of course players who have them want them. What's amazing is how so many can rationalize how much they "like" the learning skills or they "earned" them. These skills are universally applicable and make every character better. There is no thought process in choosing to get them other than do I want more playable skills now or more playable skills in 3 years. That is a horrible game decision. It is nothing compared to normal game decisions of "what kind of tank do I want to do?" "What ship to fly?" "what racial ships to fly?"
Instead new players are presented with question, "Do I want to play now?" If they want to be the best player possible, the answer to that is "no". That's a good indication there is something wrong with the choices.
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2010.06.25 06:14:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 25/06/2010 06:16:44
k d'Fairy said "SP/hour gains out-pace the time spent on learning skill after 3 years,"
That's only half true. Any time you have a unexpected change of direction or get new skills your learning skills works out better off right away, not 3 years later.
I need to double check the numbers but for me, I trained adv5 learning skills then the next year skill plan finished something like 17 days faster. I didn't have to wait 3 years to end up better off.
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Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa
Minmatar
The Perfect Harvesting Experience
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Posted - 2010.06.25 07:16:00 -
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Originally by: JitaArse
may this be a preparation for taking away advanced learning skills? :)
I saw what you did there.
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Originally by: Paper
Rock's fine, nerf Scissors
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Lusty Wench
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Posted - 2010.06.25 07:24:00 -
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The whole 60-70K SP? (30 hours @ 2k-2.5k)
Be still my heart... /yawn
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Natalie Caladan
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2010.06.25 07:52:00 -
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Originally by: Swidgen
Right after those who want them gone show data backing up their own claim. It's like people who never went to college proposing to eliminate colleges because they don't like the fact that those who attended one have higher earning power (SP per hour).
Nonsense.
I went to college (and have to follow courses on regular basis for my employer) and I'm against learning skills. At least you learn something useful in college, I regard learning skills as just an very artifical way to get another 2 months subscription just to be able to train at "normal" speed.
I'd even say that 2,700 SP/hr is very low, imo it could be increased to a max of around ~4,000SP/hr.
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TriIIian
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Posted - 2010.06.25 08:37:00 -
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Originally by: Natalie Caladan
Originally by: Swidgen
Right after those who want them gone show data backing up their own claim. It's like people who never went to college proposing to eliminate colleges because they don't like the fact that those who attended one have higher earning power (SP per hour).
Nonsense.
I went to college (and have to follow courses on regular basis for my employer) and I'm against learning skills. At least you learn something useful in college, I regard learning skills as just an very artifical way to get another 2 months subscription just to be able to train at "normal" speed.
I'd even say that 2,700 SP/hr is very low, imo it could be increased to a max of around ~4,000SP/hr.
Agree with you Natalie, Even CCP said it was a mistake. 4000 sp/hour would be perfect.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.06.25 10:34:00 -
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Originally by: Swidgen
Right after those who want them gone show data backing up their own claim.
And what claim is that, exactly?
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“If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡…
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
— Karath Piki |
Chakarr
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Posted - 2010.06.25 12:04:00 -
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Originally by: Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa
Originally by: JitaArse
may this be a preparation for taking away advanced learning skills? :)
I saw what you did there.
Yeah nice thread de-railer...
Thread = Hijacked... 
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Jagga Spikes
Minmatar
Spikes Chop Shop
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Posted - 2010.06.25 12:36:00 -
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Originally by: Pottsey
Edited by: Pottsey on 25/06/2010 06:16:44
k d'Fairy said "SP/hour gains out-pace the time spent on learning skill after 3 years,"
That's only half true. Any time you have a unexpected change of direction or get new skills your learning skills works out better off right away, not 3 years later.
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and that again is only half truth. unexpected change of direction can reduce your overall training speed, especially if you train something you are not remapped for.
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Omir Kajil
Gallente
The POD Collective
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Posted - 2010.06.25 13:05:00 -
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Originally by: Eno Lacigol
How do you receive these free SP?
I'd like to know the answer to this as well. Maybe it's a stupid question, but I couldn't seem to find where to get these extra SP? Haha
But I digress. This one time at fat camp, i was flying a dominix, and then I was so hungry that i ate 3 planets and collapsed into a black hole, which ate my sig. |
Jack Icegaard
The Omega Project
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Posted - 2010.06.25 13:28:00 -
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Originally by: Faccat
The people with the skills want to keep their advantage. They want anyone new to suffer through a couple weeks of time sink that doesn't lead directly anywhere. Rather, they want new players to look at the pain it is do tread water doing the learning skills and instead choose to be lesser players in the long run by choosing to play the game instead of "play" the learning skills.
Of course players who have them want them. What's amazing is how so many can rationalize how much they "like" the learning skills or they "earned" them. These skills are universally applicable and make every character better. There is no thought process in choosing to get them other than do I want more playable skills now or more playable skills in 3 years. That is a horrible game decision. It is nothing compared to normal game decisions of "what kind of tank do I want to do?" "What ship to fly?" "what racial ships to fly?"
Instead new players are presented with question, "Do I want to play now?" If they want to be the best player possible, the answer to that is "no". That's a good indication there is something wrong with the choices.
ôsufferö
ôpainö
ôchoose to be lesser playersö
That sound really emotional. You are talking about training skills, right? Like when you plug a skill into the training cue and then you have to.. oh gee, you don't have to to anything else. And can just play the game without worrying too much about it. There really isn't so much ôpainö and ôsufferingö as you are portraying it to be. And less SP does not necessary mean a ôlesser playerö
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Johhny Reb
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Posted - 2010.06.25 20:21:00 -
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Well they did say they have been creating this system, and it's going live on Tuesday (I think), so it's obviously something they are intending to be used again, unless they are strictly using for extened downtime reimbursement.
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Xylopia
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.06.25 23:38:00 -
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Originally by: Johhny Reb
Well they did say they have been creating this system, and it's going live on Tuesday (I think), so it's obviously something they are intending to be used again, unless they are strictly using for extened downtime reimbursement.
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Since it has been ôhot droppedö into the development plans, we will be providing step-by-step instructions for how to use it as soon as possible.
Will you read it again?
For those who believe CCP should decide to remove and reimburse learning skills, I suggest you to watch forum and all blog sphere what happens at the moment dev blog goes out.
Even better, let every account holder vote to see if majority want to remove and reimburse or keep it the way it is.
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Xiang Jiao
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Posted - 2010.06.27 19:24:00 -
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Originally by: Johhny Reb
Well they did say they have been creating this system, and it's going live on Tuesday (I think), so it's obviously something they are intending to be used again, unless they are strictly using for extened downtime reimbursement.
Judging by the track record of unexpected (or unintended) downtime in this game, they needed this system years ago, but better late than never!
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Eva Darkstar
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Posted - 2010.06.27 22:03:00 -
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Edited by: Eva Darkstar on 27/06/2010 22:03:23
Originally by: Viral Effect
Originally by: JitaArse
may this be a preparation for taking away advanced learning skills? :)
I hope not since most people want to keep them.
Strange, most threads I've read on learning skills suggests there's more people that would like to get rid of them.
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Hellinthose
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Posted - 2010.06.27 22:33:00 -
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Two days of training is worth about 100,000 sp.
18,000,000 sp a year / 365 days per year * 2 days lost in tranquility migration.
Thats not much in the long run or even in the short run. I guess ill put it to best use and train those last remaining Level V learning skills.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.06.27 23:06:00 -
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Originally by: Hellinthose
Two days of training is worth about 100,000 sp.
18,000,000 sp a year / 365 days per year * 2 days lost in tranquility migration.
Thats not much in the long run or even in the short run. I guess ill put it to best use and train those last remaining Level V learning skills.
Well hey, it's Lvl IV + change of a rank 1 skillà
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“If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡…
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
— Karath Piki |
Villa Wolfsbane
Amarr
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.27 23:56:00 -
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Originally by: Eva Darkstar
Edited by: Eva Darkstar on 27/06/2010 22:03:23
Originally by: Viral Effect
Originally by: JitaArse
may this be a preparation for taking away advanced learning skills? :)
I hope not since most people want to keep them.
Strange, most threads I've read on learning skills suggests there's more people that would like to get rid of them.
I'm going to lay a bet that the majority of players in eve have no strong desire to get rid of learning skills, and no strong desire to keep them. In fact, I bet the majority of Eve players rarely if ever think aabout them
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