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XenosisReaper
Rising Ashes Inc.
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Posted - 2010.06.24 20:49:00 -
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Edited by: XenosisReaper on 24/06/2010 20:51:45
I feel that giving out skillpoints because of a long downtime sets a dangerous precedent, I also read the news that they had been building the system to give out SP for some time before with massive horror.
edit, No, this is not because I'm a long time eve player who doesn't want you to catch up, its because I feel that this could eventually lead to micro-transactions and changes to the unique skill system of Eve, which IMO is one of the best features of the game.
 Originally by: XenosisReaper
/me feels left out because he was ignored by the devtrain
Originally by: CCP Shadow
You are hereby "un-ignored". The name XenosisReaper will live on forever
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Noran Ferah
Red Sky Morning
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Posted - 2010.06.24 20:51:00 -
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IBTL
another thread?
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Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.06.24 20:52:00 -
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There has always been a mechanism to "gift" skillpoints. It's used, amongst other things, for when accounts get suspended for suspicion of being hacked - which is a comparable situation.
This "precedent" has been occuring for years. The only thing that is new is the scale.
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
manidu
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Posted - 2010.06.24 20:52:00 -
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Originally by: XenosisReaper
I also read the news that they had been building the system to give out SP for some time before with massive horror.
Really? Where do you read that?
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Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2010.06.24 20:52:00 -
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Originally by: XenosisReaper
I feel that giving out skillpoints because of a long downtime sets a dangerous precedent, I also read the news that they had been building the system to give out SP for some time before with massive horror.
Just to note some stuff:
1. I agree with your opinion on the bad precedent.
2. They have not, nor have they stated anywhere, that they have been working on this system. And I quote;
Quote:
This will be done through a new system in the development pipeline, currently scheduled for deployment next TuesdayÆs patching opportunity* during regularly scheduled downtime. Since it has been ôhot droppedö into the development plans, we will be providing step-by-step instructions for how to use it as soon as possible.
This to me reads as "This just got planned, and has been brought to the front of the queue right now". I understand the "new system in the development pipeline" makes it seem like it was there before, but i doubt it and i believe it bad wording which CCP is famous for.
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Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout
Been there. Done that. Need antibiotics.
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Ranger 1
Amarr
Dynaverse Corporation
Sodalitas XX
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Posted - 2010.06.24 20:53:00 -
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Relax.
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Cole Y0unger
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2010.06.24 20:53:00 -
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Originally by: XenosisReaper
Edited by: XenosisReaper on 24/06/2010 20:51:45
I feel that giving out skillpoints because of a long downtime sets a dangerous precedent, I also read the news that they had been building the system to give out SP for some time before with massive horror.
edit, No, this is not because I'm a long time eve player who doesn't want you to catch up, its because I feel that this could eventually lead to micro-transactions and changes to the unique skill system of Eve, which IMO is one of the best features of the game.
U Mad? 
P.S IBTL
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Nooma K'Larr
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.06.24 20:55:00 -
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Would you rather we get money?  Yes!  I agree. We all should be expecting checks from CCP in the mail.
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XenosisReaper
Rising Ashes Inc.
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Posted - 2010.06.24 20:55:00 -
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Originally by: Blane Xero
I understand the "new system in the development pipeline" makes it seem like it was there before, but i doubt it and i believe it bad wording which CCP is famous for.
Frack, reading comprehension failure. but I still don't like it, and I want to see at least a CSM post on why they encouraged this idea
Originally by: XenosisReaper
/me feels left out because he was ignored by the devtrain
Originally by: CCP Shadow
You are hereby "un-ignored". The name XenosisReaper will live on forever
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Kleiner Vance
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Posted - 2010.06.24 20:56:00 -
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CCP Shadow SPECIFICALLY said there will be no microtransactions.
EVERYONE CALM DOWN.
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democrities
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Posted - 2010.06.24 20:59:00 -
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jesus christ people they are giving out one days worth of SP (which isnt much at all) and you all are acting like everyones gonna be rolling in titans or some crap
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XenosisReaper
Rising Ashes Inc.
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:02:00 -
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Originally by: Nooma K'Larr
Would you rather we get money? Yes! I agree. We all should be expecting checks from CCP in the mail.
No, I'd rather we didn't get anything, and CCP didn't cave to the rabid hordes of forum whining alts, like yourself.
Originally by: XenosisReaper
/me feels left out because he was ignored by the devtrain
Originally by: CCP Shadow
You are hereby "un-ignored". The name XenosisReaper will live on forever
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Remina Hesto
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:03:00 -
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Is the sky falling? Please tell me the sky is falling!
Really, it's CCPs game. If they want to change how we train skills, give us SP through ISK trade or even GASP remove the learning skills, I won't be angry. I might actually learn to enjoy it!
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Catherine Frasier
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:03:00 -
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Originally by: Blane Xero
And I quote;
Quote:
This will be done through a new system in the development pipeline, currently scheduled for deployment next TuesdayÆs patching opportunity* during regularly scheduled downtime.
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This to me reads as "This just got planned
You see the asterisk after the word "opportunity"? That means there's a footnote for you to read. Read it and you will find that they were already planning to use this "new system" for another purpose next week. Just as XenosisReaper said, this particular gift was dropped into a system already under construction.
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Skex Relbore
Gallente
Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:04:00 -
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Originally by: XenosisReaper
Edited by: XenosisReaper on 24/06/2010 20:51:45
I feel that giving out skillpoints because of a long downtime sets a dangerous precedent, I also read the news that they had been building the system to give out SP for some time before with massive horror.
edit, No, this is not because I'm a long time eve player who doesn't want you to catch up, its because I feel that this could eventually lead to micro-transactions and changes to the unique skill system of Eve, which IMO is one of the best features of the game.
Proving once again that some people are simply never happy.
It's little skill bonus it will be going to everyone with an active account. Those with the foresight to have actually planned a long enough skill queue to cover this outage get a nice little bonus and those who didn't expect quite this long an outage at least don't end up behind.
It's a good thing and the only precedent that's been set is that maybe CCP will have a mechanism with which to award their long time customers with the occasional skill point bump.
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Sadayiel
Caldari
Silver Snake Enterprise
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:06:00 -
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From my humble opinion if i have to choose between 1x free day due downtime causes as many other MMO or 1x free trainning day in EVE i'll take the free trainning day
after all with decent skills you can manage to buy a plex from time to time and it saves just a bit of annoyance.
Also keep in mind CCP said it's a general gift so if you set long skill trainning it's a win if not yu'll end prettyt much the same.
You know what the chain of command is?
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Fennisair
Matari Funds Development
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:07:00 -
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Personally I think it's about the best thing they could do as far as compensation. The only other viable option would be to add the extended dt to your account (so it extends your current billing by a day or whatever).
But by giving sp it's probably a lot easier for CCP to implement and means you essentially get the same thing. All you really still miss out on is whatever ISKies you might have been able to make during that time.
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Raeza
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:12:00 -
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Originally by: democrities
jesus christ people they are giving out one days worth of SP (which isnt much at all) and you all are acting like everyones gonna be rolling in titans or some crap
bahahaha, made me laugh =D
yeah seriously people are over reacting, put away your tin-foil hats, have some faith in CCP for christ sake
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Vaarun
Amarr
Imperio Obscura
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:34:00 -
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Originally by: Kleiner Vance
CCP Shadow SPECIFICALLY said there will be no microtransactions.
EVERYONE CALM DOWN.
I hope so.
When I saw this mentioned, I cringed. The ability to trade or give SP as a common commodity is a slippery-slope that I would rather EVE not go down. I won't list the problems with doing this, but if any of you have played games with the ability to buy skill points, 2XP weekend/weeks, and the ability to give people extra skill points or levels quickly and easily, you realize the problems that arise and the kind of player that caters to.
It will ruin the economy and the community. Don't do it. You have PLEX and GTC sales and that is enough.
If they are setting this system up as a GM tool too quickly and easily restore points to accounts that have had problems, fine. But if it is used in a widespread fashion for anything other than extreme system failures like last nights server migration, you will be asking for trouble.
Trust me on this.
I wish they could just have set multiplied all training multipliers by 0.5 for 24 hours instead of blurting out they are hot-dropping an SP-gifting system. See how many ears perked up and how quickly the open "gimme" hands started extending?
"To bring order to chaos, one must bring chaos to its knees."
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Xtreem
Gallente
DEATHFUNK
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:36:00 -
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as long as everyone gets the skill points then i dont care.. and it helps newer players, and people do like to bang on how bad the new players have it "catching up" they can apply to help them spec up to what they want to be.
and it will save me a few hours of training.
As long as they dont charge for this and only use it in these types of situations i dont see the issue tbh.
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Mr Mork
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:36:00 -
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Originally by: XenosisReaper
Edited by: XenosisReaper on 24/06/2010 20:51:45
its because I feel that this could eventually lead to micro-transactions and changes to the unique skill system of Eve, which IMO is one of the best features of the game.
Next thing you know you'll be able to exchange real life currency for ingame currency and characters.
Oh wait...
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:52:00 -
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TL;DR:
Oh no, I do not know what feature we will be getting next. I better panic now before I find out it is not as bad as I imagine it.
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Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2010.06.24 22:00:00 -
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Edited by: Blane Xero on 24/06/2010 22:00:09
Originally by: Catherine Frasier
Originally by: Blane Xero
And I quote;
Quote:
This will be done through a new system in the development pipeline, currently scheduled for deployment next TuesdayÆs patching opportunity* during regularly scheduled downtime.
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This to me reads as "This just got planned
You see the asterisk after the word "opportunity"? That means there's a footnote for you to read. Read it and you will find that they were already planning to use this "new system" for another purpose next week. Just as XenosisReaper said, this particular gift was dropped into a system already under construction.
No, it wasn't. They don't need a SP system to give us ships, the gift is nothing to do with SP.
Your theorycrafting and worry-warting got you nowhere.
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Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout
Been there. Done that. Need antibiotics.
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Johnny Gurkha
Digital Fury Corporation
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Posted - 2010.06.24 22:09:00 -
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Screw the 24hrs of "waste", damn whiners should get a grip... instead nerf learning skills and let me put the 5.3m SP into something useful |
loony thezoon
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Posted - 2010.06.24 22:12:00 -
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Did I miss a memo?
Too much to drink, please send a link :)
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Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.06.24 22:20:00 -
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Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 24/06/2010 22:20:28
Me just happy to possiby get back 1 or 2 of those days, out of close to 3 months, that I have missed training in the past while subbed, since I had a long skill set this time
Slade
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.06.24 22:25:00 -
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Originally by: Blane Xero
No, it wasn't. They don't need a SP system to give us ships, the gift is nothing to do with SP.
Your theorycrafting and worry-warting got you nowhere.
Go and read it, we are getting two gifts on the 29th.
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Marlona Sky
D00M.
RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.24 22:28:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound
Originally by: Blane Xero
No, it wasn't. They don't need a SP system to give us ships, the gift is nothing to do with SP.
Your theorycrafting and worry-warting got you nowhere.
Go and read it, we are getting two gifts on the 29th.
I will lol if all the SP we are given is can only be applied to the spaceship command skill necessary to fly the new "to be suicided" free ship. 
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Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2010.06.24 22:38:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound
Originally by: Blane Xero
No, it wasn't. They don't need a SP system to give us ships, the gift is nothing to do with SP.
Your theorycrafting and worry-warting got you nowhere.
Go and read it, we are getting two gifts on the 29th.
They're refunding us SP (The new system) and giving us a Gift (The new ship) There is not two gifts unless they have changed the message since i last read it. The gift it denotes at the end of the news article is the ship.
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Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout
Been there. Done that. Need antibiotics.
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Aqriue
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Posted - 2010.06.24 22:38:00 -
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FFS, its one day's worth of skill points and it benifits everyone. Whats their to complain about? Your skill plan just finished one day sooner. And thats a bad thing? . As for micro transaction should they ever decide on doing it, I would gladly pay upwards of 3 months worth of sub straight into CCP's pocket (no plex conversion) just to get all those beginner rank 1 and rank 2 basic skills: mechanic, PG, cap, navigation, tank. That kind of stuff, so I could something do faster with an alt instead of letting the damn account idle for several months before I feel I can use it (we all hate starting as rookies and feeling weak  ).
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