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Ghoest	Posted - 2010.06.24 20:58:00 - [1] They were bad game design in the sense that the smartest move for new players is the least fun. CCP has said this. Now they they have a mechanism to give out training I predict that they will shortly remove the learning skills from the game and reimburse time spent training them. Probably this will coincide with another measure to universally increase the rate of learning skills. Wherever you went - Here you are.
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2010.06.24 21:00:00 - [2] I'm going to laugh at all you learning skill bandwagon posters who feel the need to pad their post counts with "YEAH LEARNINGS DOWN WITH LEARNINGS YEAH" (which is in essence all you say) if it turns out to be something not to do with learning skills. Yes I know this post makes me look like a Hypocrite. I am. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 Originally by: CCP Fallout Been there. Done that. Need antibiotics.
Exploding Tukey Gallente Capital Construction Research Pioneer Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.24 21:01:00 - [3] Originally by: Blane Xero I'm going to laugh at all you learning skill bandwagon posters who feel the need to pad their post counts with "YEAH LEARNINGS DOWN WITH LEARNINGS YEAH" (which is in essence all you say) if it turns out to be something not to do with learning skills. Yes I know this post makes me look like a Hypocrite. I am. Hypocr.... err... yeah! <Signature Type="Clever" Width=100% Height=5 Edible="No" />
Miilla	Posted - 2010.06.24 21:03:00 - [4] Originally by: Ghoest They were bad game design in the sense that the smartest move for new players is the least fun. CCP has said this. Now they they have a mechanism to give out training I predict that they will shortly remove the learning skills from the game and reimburse time spent training them. Probably this will coincide with another measure to universally increase the rate of learning skills. They are going to "monitize" the Skill Points so you can BUY more via PLEXs or real currency.
Cat o'Ninetails Caldari Rancer Defence League	Posted - 2010.06.24 21:03:00 - [5] Originally by: Blane Xero Yes I know this post makes me look like a Hypocrite. I am. thats ok blane i like hippos they make me lol weird funny things hehehe a word of advice though never punch a hippo repeatedly especially if they are hungry hungry hippos they will eat your balls x My Facebook!
Digital Solaris	Posted - 2010.06.24 21:05:00 - [6] Originally by: Blane Xero I'm going to laugh at all you learning skill bandwagon posters who feel the need to pad their post counts with "YEAH LEARNINGS DOWN WITH LEARNINGS YEAH" (which is in essence all you say) if it turns out to be something not to do with learning skills. Yes I know this post makes me look like a Hypocrite. I am. For someone looking as adorable as you, with a bit of hurt in there, you don't really come off as a hypocrite.
Kleiner Vance	Posted - 2010.06.24 21:05:00 - [7] Originally by: Miilla Originally by: Ghoest They were bad game design in the sense that the smartest move for new players is the least fun. CCP has said this. Now they they have a mechanism to give out training I predict that they will shortly remove the learning skills from the game and reimburse time spent training them. Probably this will coincide with another measure to universally increase the rate of learning skills. They are going to "monitize" the Skill Points so you can BUY more via PLEXs or real currency. NO THEY ARE NOT! CCP shadow has stated this. They really need to sticky his statements. FYI: comments were made in this thread http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1341909
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2010.06.24 21:06:00 - [8] I am now laughing in your general direction. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 Originally by: CCP Fallout Been there. Done that. Need antibiotics.
democrities	Posted - 2010.06.24 21:10:00 - [9] Originally by: Blane Xero I am now laughing in your general direction. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA wow this is epic...and so many speculators who thought they were removing learning skills, and selling SP... HAHAHAHHAHHAHAHA egg in faces much?
Ghoest	Posted - 2010.06.24 21:10:00 - [10] Edited by: Ghoest on 24/06/2010 21:11:29 What does the dev blog have to do with my prediction? Im not predicting a "gift." Im predicting a game change. EDIT: And it may not be right away. But with in the year. Wherever you went - Here you are.
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2010.06.24 21:12:00 - [11] Originally by: Ghoest What does the dev blog have to do with my prediction? Im not predicting a "gift." Im predicting a game change. Would you have posted this thread again had there not been speculation that learning skill removal was on the agenda as the gift? Doubt it. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 Originally by: CCP Fallout Been there. Done that. Need antibiotics.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.06.24 21:16:00 - [12] Originally by: Blane Xero Originally by: Ghoest What does the dev blog have to do with my prediction? Im not predicting a "gift." Im predicting a game change. Would you have posted this thread again had there not been speculation that learning skill removal was on the agenda as the gift? Doubt it. Why? It's been predicted ever since the whole "SP redeeming" scheme was unveiled ù he just chose to spam a new thread about it. That part was a separate (and far more important) announcement to the gift, and we knew the gift would be a thing, rather than a mechanic, more or less from the get-go. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Ghoest	Posted - 2010.06.24 21:17:00 - [13] Edited by: Ghoest on 24/06/2010 21:18:54 Originally by: Blane Xero Originally by: Ghoest What does the dev blog have to do with my prediction? Im not predicting a "gift." Im predicting a game change. Would you have posted this thread again had there not been speculation that learning skill removal was on the agenda as the gift? Doubt it. I dont read every buried post on this forum. And I definetly didnt read that. What i posted is just the rather obvious use and intention of this new tool for CCP. Now if your just going to divine my inner most thoughts. Please post the ones concerning you so you can have a 2 week ban. EDIT: As Tippia said its obvious to anyone with a clue that the ability to give SP is a far bigger deal than a the gift will be. Wherever you went - Here you are.
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2010.06.24 21:23:00 - [14] Edited by: Blane Xero on 24/06/2010 21:24:30 better wording Originally by: Ghoest I dont read every buried post on this forum. And I definetly didnt read that. What i posted is just the rather obvious use and intention of this new tool for CCP. No, what you posted was Theorycrafting and bending the tool to fit the purpose. CCP Has not stated they ~~have been~~ are working on a way to remove skills and thus automatically reimburse the SP, only add SP. Quite a significant difference here. Originally by: Ghoest Now if your just going to divine my inner most thoughts. Please post the ones concerning you so you can have a 2 week ban. Flattery will get you everywhere. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 Originally by: CCP Fallout Been there. Done that. Need antibiotics.
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux War.Pigs.	Posted - 2010.06.24 21:28:00 - [15] Note that they could also use it on Sisi to help people do dev testing by just giving them the SP pool to help out. Or they could make it such that if you aren't actively training something that your SP accumulates into the pool instead of merely being wasted time. It doesn't have to be a removal of learning skills, even if I think it would be better for the game and for noobs trying to play the game. -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire
Riyal Chode Extravaganza	Posted - 2010.06.24 21:29:00 - [16] Learning removal was the first thing I thought after reading the blog too. As a 5/5 trained character I'd love the 4 million or so skillpoints to go into something more useful.
The Snowman Gallente The Ascension Honourable Templum of Alcedonia	Posted - 2010.06.24 21:32:00 - [17] dont you think implants are already over priced?
Ghoest	Posted - 2010.06.24 21:34:00 - [18] Originally by: Blane Xero Edited by: Blane Xero on 24/06/2010 21:24:30 better wording Originally by: Ghoest I dont read every buried post on this forum. And I definetly didnt read that. What i posted is just the rather obvious use and intention of this new tool for CCP. No, what you posted was Theorycrafting and bending the tool to fit the purpose. CCP Has not stated they ~~have been~~ are working on a way to remove skills and thus automatically reimburse the SP, only add SP. Quite a significant difference here. Originally by: Ghoest Now if your just going to divine my inner most thoughts. Please post the ones concerning you so you can have a 2 week ban. Flattery will get you everywhere. With in the year linking to this thread will be a simple way to just dismiss you as a troll at will. Wherever you went - Here you are.
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2010.06.24 21:37:00 - [19] Originally by: Ghoest With in the year linking to this thread will be a simple way to just dismiss you as a troll at will. And...? Sorry, I think I'm missing the significance of that statement. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 Originally by: CCP Fallout Been there. Done that. Need antibiotics.
Musical Fist Gallente The Unknown Bar and Pub	Posted - 2010.06.24 21:40:00 - [20] I think it will be moving SP from certain skills to another, removing learning skills is dumb imo some of us enjoy our +5 implants and yes we enjoy laughing at the poor ha ha ha! -- Emo TraderJohn's Number 1 Fan!!
Gandanga Aliastra	Posted - 2010.06.24 21:49:00 - [21] I too plan to create `the sky is falling, run for your life` threads whenever I see things i dont understand.
Janos Saal	Posted - 2010.06.24 21:57:00 - [22] I hope they do remove the learning skills - but only that. Just remove every learning skillbook from the game, so everybody who didn't already train them is stuck with their base attributes, plus implants. That way the whiners get exactly what they asked for, and I can do a laugh.
stoicfaux	Posted - 2010.06.24 21:59:00 - [23] Originally by: Blane Xero I am now laughing in your general direction. What's the ship bonus? A 5% reduction in clicks needed to manage a planet per skill level? But seriously, is it supposed to be a cheap blockade runner type ship? Or just something to make hauling PI resources around without heavily skilling in industrial ships? Or will it provide a bonus to PI production rates? Or what? ----- "Are you a sociopathic paranoid schizophrenic with accounting skills? We have the game for you! -- Eve, the game of Alts, Economics, Machiavelli, and PvP"
Winters Chill Amarr Shadow Legion. Talos Coalition	Posted - 2010.06.24 22:49:00 - [24] Originally by: stoicfaux Originally by: Blane Xero I am now laughing in your general direction. What's the ship bonus? A 5% reduction in clicks needed to manage a planet per skill level? But seriously, is it supposed to be a cheap blockade runner type ship? Or just something to make hauling PI resources around without heavily skilling in industrial ships? Or will it provide a bonus to PI production rates? Or what? Maybe it doesn't do anything, Maybe it doesn't fit into your world view of "useful", like man nipples or Jeff Capes. Maybe it's just a ship the art guys drew and modeled in their spare time out of love for their job. Maybe CCP decided to give it to us just to say "hey, thanks for playing our game, heres a toy to play about with for a few days". Maybe min maxing a FOTM character and getting 50+ guys on a gate while you accuse each other of being gay and tell arse jokes for 10 hours just to +1 your kill-board so you can say your dad can beat you his dad or whatever isn't the be all and end all of the eve experience. Maybe you should just learn to smile and be grateful.
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2010.06.24 22:52:00 - [25] Originally by: Winters Chill Originally by: stoicfaux Originally by: Blane Xero I am now laughing in your general direction. What's the ship bonus? A 5% reduction in clicks needed to manage a planet per skill level? But seriously, is it supposed to be a cheap blockade runner type ship? Or just something to make hauling PI resources around without heavily skilling in industrial ships? Or will it provide a bonus to PI production rates? Or what? Maybe it doesn't do anything, Maybe it doesn't fit into your world view of "useful", like man nipples or Jeff Capes. Maybe it's just a ship the art guys drew and modeled in their spare time out of love for their job. Maybe CCP decided to give it to us just to say "hey, thanks for playing our game, heres a toy to play about with for a few days". Maybe min maxing a FOTM character and getting 50+ guys on a gate while you accuse each other of being gay and tell arse jokes for 10 hours just to +1 your kill-board so you can say your dad can beat you his dad or whatever isn't the be all and end all of the eve experience. Maybe you should just learn to smile and be grateful. His question is quite valid. Nowhere apart from three leaked, and what looks like unfinished, stat screenies has any indication of its role been given. Granted his first line was in jest but his secondary queries are entirely valid. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 Originally by: CCP Fallout Been there. Done that. Need antibiotics.
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2010.06.24 23:06:00 - [26] So sayeth Nostradumass. This is clearly a signature.
Winters Chill Amarr Shadow Legion. Talos Coalition	Posted - 2010.06.24 23:07:00 - [27] Originally by: Blane Xero His question is quite valid. Nowhere apart from three leaked, and what looks like unfinished, stat screenies has any indication of its role been given. Granted his first line was in jest but his secondary queries are entirely valid. I wasn't trolling. Historically free ships are generally novelties in the grand scheme of things, it probably was made by the art guys as a side project. Asking about its bonuses so you can run off to EFT and start building "sick fits" is an exercise in futility. Its more than likely, plain old vanity gear; it does nothing other than look good. subscribe. (disclaimer: and when I say nothing I mean it probably will have some token abilities but anyone with half a brain will be able to fit another ship to do the same job better.) Hope that cleared up any confusion.
Amberlamps	Posted - 2010.06.24 23:12:00 - [28] If anything the removal of learning skills and the standardisation of SP/Hour will bring EVERYONES skill gain down to a lower SP/Hour. I envision the standard rate being something like 1860 or 1980 an hour as opposed to my current 2442 and hour
Cole Y0unger Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2010.06.24 23:13:00 - [29] Originally by: Winters Chill Edited by: Winters Chill on 24/06/2010 23:07:34 Originally by: Blane Xero His question is quite valid. Nowhere apart from three leaked, and what looks like unfinished, stat screenies has any indication of its role been given. Granted his first line was in jest but his secondary queries are entirely valid. I wasn't trolling. Historically free ships are generally novelties in the grand scheme of things, it probably was made by the art guys as a side project. Asking about its bonuses so you can run off to EFT and start building "sick fits" is an exercise in futility. Its more than likely, plain old vanity gear; it does nothing other than look good. (disclaimer: and when I say nothing I mean it probably will have some token abilities but anyone with half a brain will be able to fit another ship to do the same job better.) Hope that cleared up any confusion. This^^^
VinLieger Caldari Kraken Heads	Posted - 2010.06.24 23:14:00 - [30] Theyve stated a few times even though learning skills were a bad idea its far too late to remove them now
RatKnight1 Gallente Mahdi Followers	Posted - 2010.06.24 23:15:00 - [31] Remember, they did say in that dev blog: Originally by: CCP Wrangler In gratitude for your patience and after consulting the Council of Stellar Management, we will give an extra pool of skillpoints to all accounts (paying and trial) that were active at the beginning of this downtime, on one character per account. This skillpoint pool will be appropriately sized for the downtime time frame, universal across all accounts regardless of character attributes/implants and may be applied as each player wants. This will be done through a new system in the development pipeline, currently scheduled for deployment next TuesdayÆs patching opportunity* during regularly scheduled downtime. Since it has been ôhot droppedö into the development plans, we will be providing step-by-step instructions for how to use it as soon as possible. There is still definately something else coming, be it the end of learning skills (I doubt it) or a way to buy SP (I really hope not), or just some way to reimburse us when they have extra downtimes, there is something other then this ship.
IoWalker	Posted - 2010.06.24 23:15:00 - [32] Originally by: Janos Saal I hope they do remove the learning skills - but only that. Just remove every learning skillbook from the game, so everybody who didn't already train them is stuck with their base attributes, plus implants. That way the whiners get exactly what they asked for, and I can do a laugh. /thread
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.06.24 23:16:00 - [33] Originally by: VinLieger Theyve stated a few times even though learning skills were a bad idea its far too late to remove them now They've also stated that if they can figure out a way to get rid of them, they will. Being able to mass-reimburse SP is one step towards being able to do just that.
Rellik B00n Lethal Death Squad	Posted - 2010.06.24 23:30:00 - [34] Edited by: Rellik B00n on 24/06/2010 23:30:16 hi, Its like CCP did some sort of Jedi mind trick. Angry mob: "The server has been down forever you ***ers and you LIED and now you're gonna pay!" /handwave CCP:"These are not the unprecedented server-move created issues you are looking for." Angry mob: "These are not the unprecedented server-move created issues we are looking for." /handwave CCP:"I think I saw a gift of some sort in that other direction away from us." Angry mob: "Theres a gift of some sort in that other direction away from them. /handwave Angry mob splinters into arguments about "Thats a crap gift!", "no its great i love PIES!" , "Hey theyre giving us our learning SP back!" , "no you fail they are SELLING sp dumbass". disclaimer: I am not at all bothered about lost training time, server downtime or gifts.
Jugger Takashi Perkone	Posted - 2010.06.25 00:50:00 - [35] This thread has major alpha and a rather insane damage modifier.
John Ellsworth	Posted - 2010.06.25 00:56:00 - [36] Originally by: RatKnight1 Remember, they did say in that dev blog: Originally by: CCP Wrangler In gratitude for your patience and after consulting the Council of Stellar Management, we will give an extra pool of skillpoints to all accounts (paying and trial) that were active at the beginning of this downtime, on one character per account. This skillpoint pool will be appropriately sized for the downtime time frame, universal across all accounts regardless of character attributes/implants and may be applied as each player wants. This will be done through a new system in the development pipeline, currently scheduled for deployment next TuesdayÆs patching opportunity* during regularly scheduled downtime. Since it has been ôhot droppedö into the development plans, we will be providing step-by-step instructions for how to use it as soon as possible. There is still definately something else coming, be it the end of learning skills (I doubt it) or a way to buy SP (I really hope not), or just some way to reimburse us when they have extra downtimes, there is something other then this ship. can I laugh at you all now? they gave you some bonus skill points to makeup for lost time due to an unexpected downtime and you all think learning skills will become circumvented... Please remove tin foil hats now ... and BTW LOL at most of you
Swidgen	Posted - 2010.06.25 01:04:00 - [37] Learning Skills won't be going away any time soon. There's no justification for penalizing people who went through the weeks of drudgery to train them up. Reimbursement of the SP to use in other areas would not be nearly enough. It was understood that training them up involved sacrifice and was an investment for the future. For me, that investment is now finally paying off. If someone else didn't think it was worth it to spend all that time on the Learning Skills, well, that was your choice. You made yours and I made mine. Now you don't like the way it turned out? Too bad.
Usagi Tsukino Stimulus Rote Kapelle	Posted - 2010.06.25 01:09:00 - [38] Originally by: Janos Saal I hope they do remove the learning skills - but only that. Just remove every learning skillbook from the game, so everybody who didn't already train them is stuck with their base attributes, plus implants. That way the whiners get exactly what they asked for, and I can do a laugh. I fully endorse this product and/or service. "I dun wanna waste time training learning skills!" "Okay, we removed them per your request. Min/Maxed, you now train about 1700 sp/hour, where as Ms. Tsukino, who 'wasted' her time training said learning skills six years ago, trains about 2600; finishing a skill such as Minmatar Battleship V 13 or so days quicker than you." "UNFAIR!" "HTFU! Learning skills were not developed to help you learn Salvaging I faster, but to pay off over time - they are an investment in your character. THERE IS LITTLE INSTANT GRATIFICATION IN EVE. If you want something NOW NOW NOW, go play tennis. Oh, wait, maybe not." (Your times may vary, depending on your implants!)
Divinity Divine	Posted - 2010.06.25 02:07:00 - [39] For a game about decimal points, they fit in perfectly.
Emperor Cheney Celebrity Sex Tape	Posted - 2010.06.25 03:06:00 - [40] Learning skills are terrible game design. Here's hoping.
digitalwanderer Gallente DF0 incorporated	Posted - 2010.06.25 03:20:00 - [41] Well,there's about 5.3 million skill points in the learning category,and if CCP remove those skills,and allow that skill point total to be transfered to other skills,i've already picked which ones i'll use it on: 1:Gallente titan lvl 5(it's at lvl 4 now). 2:Doomsday lvl 5(It's also at lvl 4 too). Thank you and good night....
Bulawayoh Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2010.06.25 03:30:00 - [42] Why stop with removing learning skills? Remove skillpoints completely and leave us with skills and skillbooks. Introduce a skillbook for each level, and a corresponding price. Hey presto! A cash shop for skills yay
digitalwanderer Gallente DF0 incorporated	Posted - 2010.06.25 03:35:00 - [43] Originally by: Bulawayoh Why stop with removing learning skills? Remove skillpoints completely and leave us with skills and skillbooks. Introduce a skillbook for each level, and a corresponding price. Hey presto! A cash shop for skills yay What about the 17+ billion isk i payed for my skills over the last 7 years i've been playing the game?
Bulawayoh Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2010.06.25 03:48:00 - [44] What about them? You only had to buy one skillbook per skill, not multiple skillbooks (one for level one, another for level tw, yah di yah di yah).
MrBinary Minmatar Binary Systems	Posted - 2010.06.25 03:50:00 - [45] Meanwhile...there was this huge hole in the earth spewing death every minite of every day that will soon make all of us realize just how silly this really is. Go!
Cyprus Black Caldari 4 wing Dara Cothrom	Posted - 2010.06.25 04:05:00 - [46] I can just imagine CCP employees shaking their heads and calling you all a bunch of paranoid morons. And you know what? They'd be right.
Ghoest	Posted - 2010.06.25 04:32:00 - [47] Ummm removing learning skills as long as we got the training back would be a good thing. Its not a "paranoid" thing.
Jiao Atuan	Posted - 2010.06.25 04:53:00 - [48] Originally by: Ghoest Ummm removing learning skills as long as we got the training back would be a good thing. Its not a "paranoid" thing. You can't get your "training back" if they remove learning skills. Each rank of the learning skill you learned reduces future skill training time. With only a few exceptions (lvl 5 of the 2nd tier skills), learning skills pay for themselves very quickly (in only 6 months or less). What they should do is give a reward to people who have lvl 5s in the 2nd tier skills (maybe some bonus skill points, maybe some unique item), but definitely not fully replace the lost learning skill points (assuming CCP removes learning skills).
Ghoest	Posted - 2010.06.25 04:57:00 - [49] HUH? 1 If they remove training skills they will probably increase everyone's base stats or they will reduce training times. Even if they dont Im fine with it. 2 The new mechanics they are using to make up for lost time could be used pay back the SP spent on learning skills - thats kind of the whole point of this thread, how do you not get that?
Jiao Atuan	Posted - 2010.06.25 05:11:00 - [50] To be a bit more clear, you've already gained your training time back from nearly all your skill points in learning, so for CCP to give you your SP back is double dipping. You spend 768,000 SP on Logic V, over the course of a few years you might gain a few million SP extra, and then get your 768,000 SPs back? Totally unnecessary. My idea of a non-SP reward was mostly to (1) give some sort of reward to those with the persistence to get lvl V tier 2 learning skills and (2) give something to those who haven't fully gotten their SPs back yet.
Obsidian Hawk RONA Legion	Posted - 2010.06.25 05:16:00 - [51] Down with learning skills people are pretty dumb. Sure they can reimburse us for our time spent training them but they also have to boost our stats up, and there are many who havent trained the advanced learning skills to lvl 5. Soo............. Basically if you are going to remove learning skills and improve everyones stats, you are also giving away free stat points, especially to those who didnt earn it.
1Ekrid1	Posted - 2010.06.25 05:24:00 - [52] Originally by: Jiao Atuan Originally by: Ghoest Ummm removing learning skills as long as we got the training back would be a good thing. Its not a "paranoid" thing. You can't get your "training back" if they remove learning skills. Each rank of the learning skill you learned reduces future skill training time. With only a few exceptions (lvl 5 of the 2nd tier skills), learning skills pay for themselves very quickly (in only 6 months or less). then the only sensible option is to take out learning skills, and not reimburse the points you had in them. see, if you did that, then you lose 5 mil, and new characters cant gain the benefits of learning skills. that evens out perfectly.
Taxesarebad	Posted - 2010.06.25 05:30:00 - [53] they arent gonna sell SP's or faster time idiots /facepalm removing learning skills and getting bonus time to reimburse it would be fine though
Anke Eissmann	Posted - 2010.06.25 05:43:00 - [54] Originally by: Ghoest and reimburse time spent training them. LOLOLOLOL! Yeah just like they reimbursed people who had to learn certain skills to 5 and later changed the requirements to level 4.
Eclorc	Posted - 2010.06.25 06:10:00 - [55] NPE: IF new players get X skillpoints to distribute in their own skill sets, say, after basic training, then they could CHOOSE to put them into learning skills, or other stuff if they prefer. That would allow the learning grind for new players to be lessened, without unbalancing or being unfair to those that already trained them, and this in a better way than the old character-creation juggling act for skillpoints. I reckon this is what's coming soon, not the removal of the learning skills themselves.
Jade Grimpkin Trader's Academy manufacturing disaster	Posted - 2010.06.25 07:19:00 - [56] I have Black Market Trading Level 5 J
Libin Herobi	Posted - 2010.06.25 07:27:00 - [57] Where's CCP Adida? All these threads about skillpoints and removal (LOL) of learning skills need to be moved to the Skills subforum and locked IMMEDIATELY.
Takseen	Posted - 2010.06.25 08:42:00 - [58] Originally by: VinLieger Theyve stated a few times even though learning skills were a bad idea its far too late to remove them now What they actually said at the last fanfest is that they'd be difficult to remove or fix, but they are trying to come up with something. And this skill reimbursement feature they're adding does get them one step closer to a solution.
Amarante Idama Gallente Drunken Armed Pilots G String University	Posted - 2010.06.25 08:59:00 - [59] Originally by: Ghoest They were bad game design in the sense that the smartest move for new players is the least fun. CCP has said this. Now they they have a mechanism to give out training I predict that they will shortly remove the learning skills from the game and reimburse time spent training them. Probably this will coincide with another measure to universally increase the rate of learning skills. God I hope so.

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