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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.06.25 16:24:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler No, all that really means is that anything could change in the future. For example, right now I could say "we're currently not planning on introducing death stars to EVE", but then a few months later someone may get a bright idea to make something bigger than a titan and I'd rather not have everyone dig up my old post and saying I promised not to add death stars to EVE. I'm also not very good at reading the future in tea leaves, but my tarot card reading is coming along quite nicely.
A-ha ! So this would be a good time then to start digging for old posts where you said you WOULD introduce death stars into EVE at SomeTimeInTheUncertainFutureÖ ?
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0oO0oOoOo0o
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Posted - 2010.06.25 16:35:00 -
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Edited by: 0oO0oOoOo0o on 25/06/2010 16:38:53
Originally by: CCP Wrangler No, all that really means is that anything could change in the future. For example, right now I could say "we're currently not planning on introducing death stars to EVE", but then a few months later someone may get a bright idea to make something bigger than a titan and I'd rather not have everyone dig up my old post and saying I promised not to add death stars to EVE. I'm also not very good at reading the future in tea leaves, but my tarot card reading is coming along quite nicely.
Halt the press, we have a new headline:
Breaking news, CCP Wrangler does not exclude SP sale for the future and calls the Death Star a brigt idea !
Will Eve go F2P and will there be Death Stars in the next expansion or will we have to wait untill next year ?
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.06.25 16:40:00 -
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CeneUJiti
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Posted - 2010.06.25 16:42:00 -
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I'm confused, who is trolling who here exactly? Its getting very complicated? 
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Traspace
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2010.06.25 16:45:00 -
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ehn To tired to go find and quote it but throwing my .02 isk in.
I don't remember CCP saying anything about buying SP, only that they were going to gift everyone with an active/trial account at the time of server move a bit of SP.
Reading the whole thing about gifting SP and their statement of it being regardless of your implants, skills, or other stats seems to be have taken out of context.
If you think about it having to actually check the stats of every account in the EVE database and give the exact number of SP one would have trained during that time period would be a long tedious and pointless task. I think their idea of a solid chunk is easy and with the current setup probably seemless.
I know someone did state "why program something if they don't plan to use it". Well I'm pretty sure they already use this SP granting power. How else does every Dev, GM and other Employee account have L5's? Or during those fanfests when they do L5 events. The ability to grant chunks of SP is probably already there and they haven't sold SP yet.
So why several people on the forums are having an OMGWTFBBQ SPAGEDDON attack confuses and amuses me. You guys are like end of the world nuts every time someone "predicts" the end of the world. Next we'll get 2012 posts in here...
But...that's just my .02isk
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Ori Blake
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Posted - 2010.06.25 16:52:00 -
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Edited by: Ori Blake on 25/06/2010 16:56:26
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Blane Xero
Originally by: Abrazzar Edited by: Abrazzar on 25/06/2010 16:00:16
Originally by: CCP Wrangler We currently don't have any plans to start selling skill points, and if we should ever start doing that we would definitely announce it where everyone could see it. 
This will be interpreted as:
"Right now we're not doing it but we're planning to do it some time later, stay tuned. "
Let the rabble begin. 
Definitely worded very carefully that's for sure.
No, all that really means is that anything could change in the future. For example, right now I could say "we're currently not planning on introducing death stars to EVE", but then a few months later someone may get a bright idea to make something bigger than a titan and I'd rather not have everyone dig up my old post and saying I promised not to add death stars to EVE. I'm also not very good at reading the future in tea leaves, but my tarot card reading is coming along quite nicely.
No I get that, but this is buying SP. Aren't some ideas completely off the table where you don't need to give wiggle room due to game balance issues?
Do you have to hedge this because there is a possibility that the Dev team might very well add buying SP to the game in the future and you dont want to have promised the opposite?
Edit: I get the uncertainty, but I'm kind of expecting more of a "No, SP buying is not something we ever plan to do, because it's against one of the core principles we had when we designed EvE. Even if we do go microtransaction-based at any time, we don't plan to alter SP training rates in that way, or allow purchasing them directly."
I understand I guess if you can't, but considering all the upheaval in other MMOS about similar things I guess I'm a bit paranoid about wiggle room in this.
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Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2010.06.25 16:57:00 -
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Originally by: CeneUJiti I'm confused, who is trolling who here exactly? Its getting very complicated? 
Simple answer - everyone. It's how people are used to behave, due to strongly inducted examples provided by nearly every possible mass-meadia in the world. You think it's terrorists causing mass hysteria? No, it's news agencies doing that. -- Thanks CCP for cu |

ThaMa Gebir
Gallente SUECHTLER Inc. THE-FEDERATION
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Posted - 2010.06.25 16:58:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Blane Xero
Originally by: Abrazzar Edited by: Abrazzar on 25/06/2010 16:00:16
Originally by: CCP Wrangler We currently don't have any plans to start selling skill points, and if we should ever start doing that we would definitely announce it where everyone could see it. 
This will be interpreted as:
"Right now we're not doing it but we're planning to do it some time later, stay tuned. "
Let the rabble begin. 
Definitely worded very carefully that's for sure.
No, all that really means is that anything could change in the future. For example, right now I could say "we're currently not planning on introducing death stars to EVE", but then a few months later someone may get a bright idea to make something bigger than a titan and I'd rather not have everyone dig up my old post and saying I promised not to add death stars to EVE. I'm also not very good at reading the future in tea leaves, but my tarot card reading is coming along quite nicely.
Firstly: Welcome back!!! 
Secondly you know aswell as anyone else here how the whorum fores are. So I support what you just said 9000%, but believe me, if it can be taken out of context it will be...
Stay Chilly!  ----------------------------
Confirmed heaviest member of RDEX........
Hah, no more hijacks here!!!!
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Cilibus
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Posted - 2010.06.25 17:08:00 -
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So you are saying there it is even a remote possibity that you guys could ever consider this? |

Black Dranzer
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Posted - 2010.06.25 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: Cilibus So you are saying there it is even a remote possibity that you guys could ever consider this?
I think he's saying, quite reasonably, that although there are no current plans to stick SP-related microtransactions in the game, he is not capable of reading the future. Anything can happen. The company could get bought out by EA or something. Somebody might come up with an idea on how to do it without breaking things horribly. Somebody might get very very drunk one night and fiddle with the database.
He's not committing because he doesn't want his credibility shattered on the (likely remote) off chance that, X years down the line, CCP implements SP-related microtransactions.
This is hardly unreasonable.
.. However scary it may be.
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Doppleganger
Minmatar Imperium Technologies Sodalitas XX
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Posted - 2010.06.25 17:41:00 -
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Originally by: Black Dranzer
Originally by: Cilibus So you are saying there it is even a remote possibity that you guys could ever consider this?
I think he's saying, quite reasonably, that although there are no current plans to stick SP-related microtransactions in the game, he is not capable of reading the future. Anything can happen. The company could get bought out by EA or something. Somebody might come up with an idea on how to do it without breaking things horribly. Somebody might get very very drunk one night and fiddle with the database.
He's not committing because he doesn't want his credibility shattered on the (likely remote) off chance that, X years down the line, CCP implements SP-related microtransactions.
This is hardly unreasonable.
.. However scary it may be.
Ah so hes giving a politician's answer....... very scary indeed.
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Eskalin
Minmatar Evolution IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.25 17:45:00 -
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*snip* Repetitive text removed. Shadow
If babies weren't to be eaten they wouldn't be hibachi sized
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Doddy
The Executives IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.25 18:01:00 -
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Confirming we are all getting an sp pool in the racial death star skill of our choice.
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Pr1ncess Alia
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Posted - 2010.06.25 18:40:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler We currently don't have any plans to start selling skill points, and if we should ever start doing that we would definitely announce it where everyone could see it. 
If CCP does selling skill points, i'll be sure to announce something of my own where everyone could see it.
I'll give you a hint, after I announce it, you'd have to move my thread to OOPE 
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Marlenus
Ironfleet Towing And Salvage
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Posted - 2010.06.25 19:20:00 -
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I heard CCP were going to start selling skillpoints, but in order to get your account "activated" to buy skillpoints, you'll have to be on the top 50% of the ladder for the new no-ship-loss arena-simulator combats that they're putting in.
Yeah, I'm trolling, but my heart isn't in it, hence this note telling off on myself.
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Exploding Tukey
Gallente Capital Construction Research Pioneer Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.25 19:36:00 -
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Originally by: Doddy Confirming we are all getting an sp pool in the racial death star skill of our choice.
My vote is on the ORE Death Star, the giant weapon would only be used to collect Veldspar and it can only be destroyed with small laser turrets off an interceptor.
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Tom Peeping
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Posted - 2010.06.25 19:51:00 -
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Edited by: Tom Peeping on 25/06/2010 19:51:58 CCP has remained totally silent regarding pink polkadot space bunnies. Don't get me wrong, I'm against the idea, but the only thing that worries me is that I can't find any posts in any of the threads about pink polkadot space bunnies from CCP on about the topic - suspiciously silent.
If they are not considering pink polkadot space bunnies, a straight forward post saying so would be appreciated and all the speculation can stop.
real edit: depending on the nature of these "bunnies" I could totally get behind this.
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Accidentally Myname
Caldari Myname Replacement Brokerage LLC
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Posted - 2010.06.25 19:53:00 -
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WOOT WE GETTIN DEATH STARS!!!!!!! 
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Jennifer Fenring
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.06.25 20:01:00 -
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Edited by: Jennifer Fenring on 25/06/2010 20:02:32
Originally by: witchking42 I can't find any posts in any of the threads about SP's from CCP about the topic - suspiciously silent.
If they are not considering it, a straight forward post saying so would be appreciated and all the speculation can stop.
Well as you should know by know CCP aren't very communicative about every single item that's hyped by the sometimes slightly hysterical community - and why should they? Whatever they decide for their game, we'll find out when they feel it's appropriate.
They're not obliged to jump on everything that's brought up by the community, especially not wild speculations that are completely unfounded. Because they are, even if CCP decides to do so there's not a single reason to assume they are planning such a thing for now.
Originally by: Tom Peeping
CCP has remained totally silent regarding pink polkadot space bunnies. Don't get me wrong, I'm against the idea, but the only thing that worries me is that I can't find any posts in any of the threads about pink polkadot space bunnies from CCP on about the topic - suspiciously silent.
If they are not considering pink polkadot space bunnies, a straight forward post saying so would be appreciated and all the speculation can stop.
real edit: depending on the nature of these "bunnies" I could totally get behind this.
Exactly.
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Oceane Daeson
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Posted - 2010.06.25 20:11:00 -
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Originally by: Traspace I know someone did state "why program something if they don't plan to use it". Well I'm pretty sure they already use this SP granting power. How else does every Dev, GM and other Employee account have L5's? Or during those fanfests when they do L5 events. The ability to grant chunks of SP is probably already there and they haven't sold SP yet.
So why several people on the forums are having an OMGWTFBBQ SPAGEDDON attack confuses and amuses me. You guys are like end of the world nuts every time someone "predicts" the end of the world. Next we'll get 2012 posts in here...
But...that's just my .02isk
I get it, so what you're trying to say is that CCP is going to start selling SP for ISK in 2012!
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Stupid McStupidson
Gallente Hoek Lyne and Sinker
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Posted - 2010.06.25 20:51:00 -
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Originally by: Thanks Much I for one am glad we will be able to buy skill points. I just started playing Eve less than a month ago, and figured I had to play for a couple years before I could start doing anything significant.
You figured wrong. Battleships with T2 everything is not required to do anything significant, PvP or PvE. Sign on with Agony Unleashed or Eve University and start learning.
Originally by: Thanks Much Once I'll be able to buy skill points, I'll be able to enjoy the game and not get mad at each Merlin that gets blown up while I'm in it.
You can enjoy the game now. Your Merlin is dying because you're putting it into situations it can't handle, given your skill level and game knowledge. Find some more experienced players and learn.
Originally by: Thanks Much I just recently found out that I could use my real life money to buy plex and sell for isk. The only thing holding me back is the time I need to spend to learn the skills.
You will join the ranks of dozens of lulposts from people who've bought ships and characters, only to die horribly because they don't know the game well enough to fit or fly them appropriately. Even with hundreds of millions in ISK and skillpoints, your current knowledge of game mechanics will have your new Battleship/Carrier/fancy T2 ship dying just as fast as your Merlins are.
Originally by: Thanks Much Yay for not having to fly crappy T1 ships!
There's nothing wrong with properly fitted T1 ships, flown by pilots who know it's limitations and strengths, and who know the limitations and weaknesses of their adversary (PvP or PvE). Also, you can't beat the economics of T1, because you WILL lose ships, no matter what. Eve is not DDO or WoW. Knowledge of game mechanics > equipment.
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Rhinanna
Minmatar Volition Cult The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2010.06.25 21:05:00 -
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Quote: No, all that really means is that anything could change in the future. For example, right now I could say "we're currently not planning on introducing death stars to EVE", but then a few months later someone may get a bright idea to make something bigger than a titan and I'd rather not have everyone dig up my old post and saying I promised not to add death stars to EVE. I'm also not very good at reading the future in tea leaves, but my tarot card reading is coming along quite nicely.
Ohhhhhhh Death Stars....!!!!! Please let me have one wrangler
*starts rubbing his big black helmet in anticipation*
wait.... that didn't come out right 
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Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc. Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.06.25 21:09:00 -
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Originally by: CeneUJiti I'm confused, who is trolling who here exactly? Its getting very complicated? 
I think I have spotted one CCP Wrangler or other Mod alt spotted in this thread.
Here is a hint.
Originally by: 0oO0oOoOo0o Edited by: 0oO0oOoOo0o on 25/06/2010 16:38:53
Originally by: CCP Wrangler No, all that really means is that anything could change in the future. For example, right now I could say "we're currently not planning on introducing death stars to EVE", but then a few months later someone may get a bright idea to make something bigger than a titan and I'd rather not have everyone dig up my old post and saying I promised not to add death stars to EVE. I'm also not very good at reading the future in tea leaves, but my tarot card reading is coming along quite nicely.
Halt the press, we have a new headline:
Breaking news, CCP Wrangler does not exclude SP sale for the future and calls the Death Star a brigt idea !
Will Eve go F2P and will there be Death Stars in the next expansion or will we have to wait untill next year ?
:CCP Troll alt warning:
Originally by: Tonto Auri
Originally by: CeneUJiti I'm confused, who is trolling who here exactly? Its getting very complicated? 
Simple answer - everyone. It's how people are used to behave, due to strongly inducted examples provided by nearly every possible mass-meadia in the world. You think it's terrorists causing mass hysteria? No, it's news agencies doing that.
This like a post from OOPE. You should visit someitme. 
Originally by: Doddy Confirming we are all getting an sp pool in the racial death star skill of our choice.

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Ovella
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Posted - 2010.06.26 10:00:00 -
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Originally by: Exploding Tukey
Originally by: Doddy Confirming we are all getting an sp pool in the racial death star skill of our choice.
My vote is on the ORE Death Star, the giant weapon would only be used to collect Veldspar and it can only be destroyed with small laser turrets off an interceptor.
I'd prefer Minmatar deathstar: a giant piece of rubble that is fastest of all other deathstars and anything that comes too close gets stuck in it and gives it HP bonus (ofc it should only have structure)... oh, and it only vulnerable to salvagers!  |

Solar Blade
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Posted - 2010.06.26 10:11:00 -
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Edited by: Solar Blade on 26/06/2010 10:12:45
Originally by: Ovella
Originally by: Exploding Tukey
Originally by: Doddy Confirming we are all getting an sp pool in the racial death star skill of our choice.
My vote is on the ORE Death Star, the giant weapon would only be used to collect Veldspar and it can only be destroyed with small laser turrets off an interceptor.
I'd prefer Minmatar deathstar: a giant piece of rubble that is fastest of all other deathstars and anything that comes too close gets stuck in it and gives it HP bonus (ofc it should only have structure)... oh, and it only vulnerable to salvagers! 
... minmatar deathstar...
The only thing that comes to my mind is a borg cube/sphere/whatever XD
But really people, there is NOT going to be SP for moneys OR Deathstars in the game. Let it rest, this is getting old.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.06.26 11:47:00 -
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Originally by: Solar Blade ... minmatar deathstar...
The only thing that comes to my mind is a borg cube/sphere/whatever XD
ŕand the Amarr death star is a big honking Lament Configuration that shoots space demons. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |

Idicious Lightbane
Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2010.06.26 12:01:00 -
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Edited by: Idicious Lightbane on 26/06/2010 12:01:51
Originally by: Thanks Much Edited by: Thanks Much on 25/06/2010 15:07:55 I for one am glad we will be able to buy skill points. I just started playing Eve less than a month ago, and figured I had to play for a couple years before I could start doing anything significant.
Once I'll be able to buy skill points, I'll be able to enjoy the game and not get mad at each Merlin that gets blown up while I'm in it.
I just recently found out that I could use my real life money to buy plex and sell for isk. The only thing holding me back is the time I need to spend to learn the skills. With my job, I can easily afford all the isk and skills I'll want and be able to catch up to everybody who's been playing for 5+ years.
Yay for not having to fly crappy T1 ships!
This is the reason selling SP would be a very crappy idea, there is NOTHING stopping you from doing something significant right now. 2003 characters fly 'crappy t1 ships' each and every single day. You can be just as good as a 150 mil SP character in a single ship in as little as 2 months, he just has more options open to him of ships to fly (but can still only pilot 1 ship at a time). This is something that is hard to grasp when just starting to play but you can start doing significant things from day 1.
So you buy the SP and ISK, then go on a shopping spree buying some super leet faction battleship of death blinged out with officer fitting, and loose it on your first trip out to lowsec because you still know nothing of the game. That's what would start happening if this was made possible.
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Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
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Posted - 2010.06.26 12:38:00 -
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Firstly, I'm against the idea, I don't think it would be good for the game.
The only thing that worries me is the fact I can't find any posts in any of the threads about e-peens from CCP about the topic - suspiciously silent.
If they are not considering it, a straight forward post saying so would be appreciated and all the speculation can stop.
They could be gauging the general feedback for the idea by watching the forums, but I for one would like to know CCP's take on the idea.
wk42 - an no you can't have my stuff! Trolls? In my EVE forums? It's more likely than you think... |

Spurty
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.26 13:00:00 -
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Originally by: Messoroz Yea these skillspoints for cash hysteria is really getting annoying, I just want to start beating the **** out of the loons posting.
The line is long, but so are my arms.
Hopefully we can claw back skill points wasted on. Things that seemed cool at the time and reallocate them Zymurgist ACCIDENTALLY my thargoid |

Gilbarun
Avatar Dynasty THE-FEDERATION
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Posted - 2010.06.26 22:18:00 -
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Originally by: Spurty
Originally by: Messoroz Yea these skillspoints for cash hysteria is really getting annoying, I just want to start beating the **** out of the loons posting.
The line is long, but so are my arms.
Hopefully we can claw back skill points wasted on. Things that seemed cool at the time and reallocate them
sounds cool, wouldnt be a problem with 20% or something loss and double training speed instead of instant redistribution, but i really want to get rid of mining lvl 2 
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