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Juan Andalusian	Posted - 2004.12.17 14:23:00 - [91] Originally by: Pandora Panda I've never fought against a mega with a large smartbomb (probably not a lot of people want to fly a setup that will die to a couple rifters) This thread is full of gems. Pain is meant to be felt
Juan Andalusian	Posted - 2004.12.17 14:23:00 - [92] Originally by: Pandora Panda I've never fought against a mega with a large smartbomb (probably not a lot of people want to fly a setup that will die to a couple rifters) This thread is full of gems. Pain is meant to be felt
Tar om	Posted - 2004.12.17 14:36:00 - [93] Edited by: Tar om on 17/12/2004 14:37:26 SILENCE!!!! Or I shall WTFPWNZ0R you ALL with my TEMPEST! RAH! Tar om maybe -- We are the Octavian Vanguard www.octavianvanguard.net http://www.serenitymovie.com
Tar om	Posted - 2004.12.17 14:36:00 - [94] Edited by: Tar om on 17/12/2004 14:37:26 SILENCE!!!! Or I shall WTFPWNZ0R you ALL with my TEMPEST! RAH! Tar om maybe -- We are the Octavian Vanguard www.octavianvanguard.net http://www.serenitymovie.com
Little Bob	Posted - 2004.12.17 14:40:00 - [95] Well there ya go qouting people again, So your saying you may not even fly the ship yet you give out your expert opinion on a ship you may not even flyyou just get better and better And as you brought up your awsome calculations again did you actually factor in the shield and recharge rate the Raven has using 5 pdu II's. Na thought not.Oh and if you do want to try your fitting please mail me where and you can try it on me.
Little Bob	Posted - 2004.12.17 14:40:00 - [96] Well there ya go qouting people again, So your saying you may not even fly the ship yet you give out your expert opinion on a ship you may not even flyyou just get better and better And as you brought up your awsome calculations again did you actually factor in the shield and recharge rate the Raven has using 5 pdu II's. Na thought not.Oh and if you do want to try your fitting please mail me where and you can try it on me.
Pandora Panda	Posted - 2004.12.17 15:09:00 - [97] Edited by: Pandora Panda on 17/12/2004 15:11:20 Originally by: Juan Andalusian This thread is full of gems. When your drones are dead, so are you. Unless you log (which is something CCP goes out of their way to encourage). Originally by: Juan Andalusian Quote: Think we should agree to disagree on this one The only thing i can do in this forum is present you a valid loadout and the damage calculations assosiated with it. Now if you still can't accept that "2+2=4" and not something else, that's yer problem. Your damage calculations are really rather useless when you ignore the range and the MWD-in time (which just got bigger thanks to the propulsion changes). Yes, if both ships are starting at 5k, I give the mega a 50/50 chance if its well flown with top-end loot, against a raven with mostly stock tech1 mods. If you want to MWD in from 20k and try to kill my raven, thank you in advance for your modules. -------------------------------------------- CONCORD: Kneecapping Pilots for Misdemeanors Since 2003
Pandora Panda	Posted - 2004.12.17 15:09:00 - [98] Edited by: Pandora Panda on 17/12/2004 15:11:20 Originally by: Juan Andalusian This thread is full of gems. When your drones are dead, so are you. Unless you log (which is something CCP goes out of their way to encourage). Originally by: Juan Andalusian Quote: Think we should agree to disagree on this one The only thing i can do in this forum is present you a valid loadout and the damage calculations assosiated with it. Now if you still can't accept that "2+2=4" and not something else, that's yer problem. Your damage calculations are really rather useless when you ignore the range and the MWD-in time (which just got bigger thanks to the propulsion changes). Yes, if both ships are starting at 5k, I give the mega a 50/50 chance if its well flown with top-end loot, against a raven with mostly stock tech1 mods. If you want to MWD in from 20k and try to kill my raven, thank you in advance for your modules. -------------------------------------------- CONCORD: Kneecapping Pilots for Misdemeanors Since 2003
Juan Andalusian	Posted - 2004.12.17 15:12:00 - [99] Originally by: Little Bob So your saying you may not even fly the ship yet you give out your expert opinion on a ship you may not even flyyou just get better and better You seem to know if i actually fly the ship or not even without having ever seen me in space... naive... very naive. What part of that sentence did you not understand? Quote: And as you brought up your awsome calculations again did you actually factor in the shield and recharge rate the Raven has using 5 pdu II's. Max skilled raven pilot with 5 PDU II: Shield 7500 recharge 862.5... lets make it easier for you and assume an even distribution of recharge rate regardless of shield condition. That brings us to 8.7 hps/sec. You sure tipped the scales there. Pain is meant to be felt
Juan Andalusian	Posted - 2004.12.17 15:12:00 - [100] Originally by: Little Bob So your saying you may not even fly the ship yet you give out your expert opinion on a ship you may not even flyyou just get better and better You seem to know if i actually fly the ship or not even without having ever seen me in space... naive... very naive. What part of that sentence did you not understand? Quote: And as you brought up your awsome calculations again did you actually factor in the shield and recharge rate the Raven has using 5 pdu II's. Max skilled raven pilot with 5 PDU II: Shield 7500 recharge 862.5... lets make it easier for you and assume an even distribution of recharge rate regardless of shield condition. That brings us to 8.7 hps/sec. You sure tipped the scales there. Pain is meant to be felt
Muad 'dib	Posted - 2004.12.17 16:14:00 - [101] Originally by: Juan Andalusian Max skilled raven pilot with 5 PDU II: Shield 7500 recharge 862.5... lets make it easier for you and assume an even distribution of recharge rate regardless of shield condition. That brings us to 8.7 hps/sec. You sure tipped the scales there. As per Pottsey's posts on passive shield tanking, thats more like 20 hps/sec on hardened shields more like 30+ hps/sec. Which is a nice lil bounus when you add the hardened LSB II boost . . so thats like 175+ effective boost per sec /me goes and whacks 5 pdu II's, L shield xtndr, hardeners and LSB II on to his raven -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- /\|\. '/\' The Wild West Made Me Quicker On The DRAW Than You
Muad 'dib	Posted - 2004.12.17 16:14:00 - [102] Originally by: Juan Andalusian Max skilled raven pilot with 5 PDU II: Shield 7500 recharge 862.5... lets make it easier for you and assume an even distribution of recharge rate regardless of shield condition. That brings us to 8.7 hps/sec. You sure tipped the scales there. As per Pottsey's posts on passive shield tanking, thats more like 20 hps/sec on hardened shields more like 30+ hps/sec. Which is a nice lil bounus when you add the hardened LSB II boost . . so thats like 175+ effective boost per sec /me goes and whacks 5 pdu II's, L shield xtndr, hardeners and LSB II on to his raven -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- /\|\. '/\' The Wild West Made Me Quicker On The DRAW Than You
Ithildin	Posted - 2004.12.17 16:28:00 - [103] And here we are, at the end of page three, and still very little has been said about what is truely wrong with the balance between Raven and Megathron: 1. Raven is awesome against all kinds of ships 2. Megathron need to use condition specific setups to take on the Ravens multi-purpose setup. So we have this about the Megathron: * Return from specialization (in setup, not skills) is very poor * Return from close combat setup in terms of damage and hit probability is extremely poor, when compared to that you loose an extreme amount of security and lots of range -- If TC causes you discomfort that you feel is unwarranted or may be outside TC's current contract - contact me, please.
Ithildin	Posted - 2004.12.17 16:28:00 - [104] And here we are, at the end of page three, and still very little has been said about what is truely wrong with the balance between Raven and Megathron: 1. Raven is awesome against all kinds of ships 2. Megathron need to use condition specific setups to take on the Ravens multi-purpose setup. So we have this about the Megathron: * Return from specialization (in setup, not skills) is very poor * Return from close combat setup in terms of damage and hit probability is extremely poor, when compared to that you loose an extreme amount of security and lots of range -- If TC causes you discomfort that you feel is unwarranted or may be outside TC's current contract - contact me, please.
Pandora Panda	Posted - 2004.12.17 16:32:00 - [105] Originally by: Ithildin And here we are, at the end of page three, and still very little has been said about what is truely wrong with the balance between Raven and Megathron: 1. Raven is awesome against all kinds of ships 2. Megathron need to use condition specific setups to take on the Ravens multi-purpose setup. So we have this about the Megathron: * Return from specialization (in setup, not skills) is very poor * Return from close combat setup in terms of damage and hit probability is extremely poor, when compared to that you loose an extreme amount of security and lots of range I wasnt aware that that was the objective of this thread. I thought the objective was to come up with a megathron setup that would be effective against a raven. -------------------------------------------- CONCORD: Kneecapping Pilots for Misdemeanors Since 2003
Pandora Panda	Posted - 2004.12.17 16:32:00 - [106] Originally by: Ithildin And here we are, at the end of page three, and still very little has been said about what is truely wrong with the balance between Raven and Megathron: 1. Raven is awesome against all kinds of ships 2. Megathron need to use condition specific setups to take on the Ravens multi-purpose setup. So we have this about the Megathron: * Return from specialization (in setup, not skills) is very poor * Return from close combat setup in terms of damage and hit probability is extremely poor, when compared to that you loose an extreme amount of security and lots of range I wasnt aware that that was the objective of this thread. I thought the objective was to come up with a megathron setup that would be effective against a raven. -------------------------------------------- CONCORD: Kneecapping Pilots for Misdemeanors Since 2003
Rivek	Posted - 2004.12.17 16:49:00 - [107] Edited by: Rivek on 17/12/2004 16:52:24 Ithildin is right though.... why fly a blasterthron (or most gunships for that matter) when a raven can do the close range bs vs bs thing almost as well (if not better in some ppls eyes) and can obliterate any smaller ships with ease while ships like a megathron can hardly hit webbed frigs or unwebbed cruisers. Additionally, when you are stuck in a blasterthron 60k from a battle wondering how the heck your going to get into the fray in reasonable time, the raven sitting next to you is already firing torps or reloading with cruise. Given that your sacrificing so much versatility, range, and survivability with a blaster fitting for a mega, you would expect that it might do a bit better versus the most versitile (and in most ways powerful) ship in the game.. the raven. ---------------------------------------------- BS Weapon Comparison TunDraGon.com
Rivek	Posted - 2004.12.17 16:49:00 - [108] Edited by: Rivek on 17/12/2004 16:52:24 Ithildin is right though.... why fly a blasterthron (or most gunships for that matter) when a raven can do the close range bs vs bs thing almost as well (if not better in some ppls eyes) and can obliterate any smaller ships with ease while ships like a megathron can hardly hit webbed frigs or unwebbed cruisers. Additionally, when you are stuck in a blasterthron 60k from a battle wondering how the heck your going to get into the fray in reasonable time, the raven sitting next to you is already firing torps or reloading with cruise. Given that your sacrificing so much versatility, range, and survivability with a blaster fitting for a mega, you would expect that it might do a bit better versus the most versitile (and in most ways powerful) ship in the game.. the raven. ---------------------------------------------- BS Weapon Comparison TunDraGon.com
Little Bob	Posted - 2004.12.17 18:04:00 - [109] Guys please dont even try to say the megathron is not good enough otherwise Juan will own you with his 2+2=4 calculations. BTW im still waiting for your mail on where we should meet to fight if your setup is so good.
Little Bob	Posted - 2004.12.17 18:04:00 - [110] Guys please dont even try to say the megathron is not good enough otherwise Juan will own you with his 2+2=4 calculations. BTW im still waiting for your mail on where we should meet to fight if your setup is so good.
Destroyer Draxx	Posted - 2004.12.17 21:01:00 - [111] Originally by: Juan Andalusian Originally by: Pandora Panda I've never fought against a mega with a large smartbomb (probably not a lot of people want to fly a setup that will die to a couple rifters) This thread is full of gems. Ok Don Juan u certainly have a way with words. Ur setup will kill a raven poorly fitted. U killed a raven or 2 or maybe even more in what 0.4-0.1 sec rating. Have u tried ur setup with big alliance raven boys? U might find one or 2 that r poorly fitted there as well, but the majority of ravens will woop ur cute little ass. From previous conversation get a hint 20mil sp....(above 19 mil sp clones were introduced with shiva what does that tell u???) btw I ll wtfpwn everything u throw at me with my setup (which just happens to be the most advertised forum setup) cause one I was sitting in a 0.4 system g8 some poor noob jumped in n I managed to kill him. Therefore I can kill all that moves. PS : Does ur Mega setup work for npcing as well So Far So Good....So What
Destroyer Draxx	Posted - 2004.12.17 21:01:00 - [112] Originally by: Juan Andalusian Originally by: Pandora Panda I've never fought against a mega with a large smartbomb (probably not a lot of people want to fly a setup that will die to a couple rifters) This thread is full of gems. Ok Don Juan u certainly have a way with words. Ur setup will kill a raven poorly fitted. U killed a raven or 2 or maybe even more in what 0.4-0.1 sec rating. Have u tried ur setup with big alliance raven boys? U might find one or 2 that r poorly fitted there as well, but the majority of ravens will woop ur cute little ass. From previous conversation get a hint 20mil sp....(above 19 mil sp clones were introduced with shiva what does that tell u???) btw I ll wtfpwn everything u throw at me with my setup (which just happens to be the most advertised forum setup) cause one I was sitting in a 0.4 system g8 some poor noob jumped in n I managed to kill him. Therefore I can kill all that moves. PS : Does ur Mega setup work for npcing as well So Far So Good....So What

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