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The Mizz
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Posted - 2004.12.15 14:12:00 -
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Ok guys a few days ago there was a post on here about trying to outtank ravens and withstanding their damage. I tried a nofs setup and that was disasterous. I tried a 7 gunnery setup and that didnt work out also because the lack of em damage on the ravens sheilding. Then I decided to go with 6 guns and 2 seige launchers armed with torps and bingo. I went up against a maxed out raven pilot 3 different times and each time it was the same outcome. I completly overpowered his sheild recharge time and got into his armor which we then stopped firing as I still had a solid 30% structure left and about 60% cap. Now the raven pilot had plenty of cap but the key to this setup is doing damage especially with the torps doing em damage which should hit in the 500's with decent skills and just overpowering his sheild recharge time. This setup is highly efficient and Im just not sure if I want to give out my mids and lows but for you blasterthron pilots out there consider trying the 6 turret, 2 seige launcher setup it works wonders.
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The Mizz
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Posted - 2004.12.15 14:12:00 -
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Ok guys a few days ago there was a post on here about trying to outtank ravens and withstanding their damage. I tried a nofs setup and that was disasterous. I tried a 7 gunnery setup and that didnt work out also because the lack of em damage on the ravens sheilding. Then I decided to go with 6 guns and 2 seige launchers armed with torps and bingo. I went up against a maxed out raven pilot 3 different times and each time it was the same outcome. I completly overpowered his sheild recharge time and got into his armor which we then stopped firing as I still had a solid 30% structure left and about 60% cap. Now the raven pilot had plenty of cap but the key to this setup is doing damage especially with the torps doing em damage which should hit in the 500's with decent skills and just overpowering his sheild recharge time. This setup is highly efficient and Im just not sure if I want to give out my mids and lows but for you blasterthron pilots out there consider trying the 6 turret, 2 seige launcher setup it works wonders.
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Marcus Aurelius
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Posted - 2004.12.15 15:49:00 -
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Well, dont know about that setup really mizz.
Seems like it's still vulnerable if the raven isnt using a totally predictable setup.
How bout having a henchman in a frig to scramble while you simply run all rails and 2 dampeners with some damage mods ?
I noticed my 7x 425mm rail setup slices through a raven satisfactoraly. And damps will mean reloading time and fof damage only.
my tests wetn well actually.
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Marcus Aurelius
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Posted - 2004.12.15 15:49:00 -
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Well, dont know about that setup really mizz.
Seems like it's still vulnerable if the raven isnt using a totally predictable setup.
How bout having a henchman in a frig to scramble while you simply run all rails and 2 dampeners with some damage mods ?
I noticed my 7x 425mm rail setup slices through a raven satisfactoraly. And damps will mean reloading time and fof damage only.
my tests wetn well actually.
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Pandora Panda
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Posted - 2004.12.15 16:01:00 -
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Edited by: Pandora Panda on 15/12/2004 16:05:07
A megathron cant hold up against a raven with 4-5 ballistic controls, which most smart raven pilots will be running.
A scrambling frigate isnt really that helpful because it wont last more then 30 seconds.
Also, a blasterthron is severely CPU-impaired. I dont know how you fit siege launchers, turrets, a MWD, cap booster, scrambler, webber, and a tank without CPU IIs (or where you found a raven without hardeners that didnt dampen you to death).
Yes, a megathron can kill a poorly configured raven. No, it cant kill a well-kitted and flown one, unless it starts within 5k. And even then, my money is on my raven.
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Pandora Panda
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Posted - 2004.12.15 16:01:00 -
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Edited by: Pandora Panda on 15/12/2004 16:05:07
A megathron cant hold up against a raven with 4-5 ballistic controls, which most smart raven pilots will be running.
A scrambling frigate isnt really that helpful because it wont last more then 30 seconds.
Also, a blasterthron is severely CPU-impaired. I dont know how you fit siege launchers, turrets, a MWD, cap booster, scrambler, webber, and a tank without CPU IIs (or where you found a raven without hardeners that didnt dampen you to death).
Yes, a megathron can kill a poorly configured raven. No, it cant kill a well-kitted and flown one, unless it starts within 5k. And even then, my money is on my raven.
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The Mizz
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Posted - 2004.12.15 16:08:00 -
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I have fitted 2 seiege launchers and 6 blasters and yes I have armor tanked my mega with 3 hardeners and a large repairer and yes my skills are very high and yes this setup does withstand a raven because it covers too many dmg areas where a raven cant sheild harden them all.
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The Mizz
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Posted - 2004.12.15 16:08:00 -
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I have fitted 2 seiege launchers and 6 blasters and yes I have armor tanked my mega with 3 hardeners and a large repairer and yes my skills are very high and yes this setup does withstand a raven because it covers too many dmg areas where a raven cant sheild harden them all.
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Pandora Panda
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Posted - 2004.12.15 16:11:00 -
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 Originally by: The Mizz
I have fitted 2 seiege launchers and 6 blasters and yes I have armor tanked my mega with 3 hardeners and a large repairer and yes my skills are very high and yes this setup does withstand a raven because it covers too many dmg areas where a raven cant sheild harden them all.
6xSiege
2xMedium Nos
1x XL Booster
3x Hardeners
1x Warp Disruptor
1x Cap Injector w/800s
4x Ballistic Control
1x RCU II
You would last 5 volleys (at best), which is ~50 seconds. And I can start firing whenever I want, while you have to MWD in close. Oh, and I tank more damage faster then you do.
Bang. Megathron dead.
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Pandora Panda
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Posted - 2004.12.15 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: The Mizz
I have fitted 2 seiege launchers and 6 blasters and yes I have armor tanked my mega with 3 hardeners and a large repairer and yes my skills are very high and yes this setup does withstand a raven because it covers too many dmg areas where a raven cant sheild harden them all.
6xSiege
2xMedium Nos
1x XL Booster
3x Hardeners
1x Warp Disruptor
1x Cap Injector w/800s
4x Ballistic Control
1x RCU II
You would last 5 volleys (at best), which is ~50 seconds. And I can start firing whenever I want, while you have to MWD in close. Oh, and I tank more damage faster then you do.
Bang. Megathron dead.
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Liu Kaskakka
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Posted - 2004.12.15 16:39:00 -
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Originally by: The Mizz
I went up against a maxed out raven pilot ... key to this setup is doing damage especially with the torps doing em damage which should hit in the 500's with decent skills.
Did the "maxed out raven pilot" forget to turn his EM hardener on?
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Liu Kaskakka
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Posted - 2004.12.15 16:39:00 -
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Originally by: The Mizz
I went up against a maxed out raven pilot ... key to this setup is doing damage especially with the torps doing em damage which should hit in the 500's with decent skills.
Did the "maxed out raven pilot" forget to turn his EM hardener on?
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Marcus Aurelius
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Posted - 2004.12.15 17:20:00 -
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Edited by: Marcus Aurelius on 15/12/2004 17:27:28
7 425mm rails (named)
1 assault with defenders
1x EM hardener
2x dampener
1x cap recharger II
1x med repairer II
1x 1600mmplate
1x nano membrance II
3x damage mod
1x rcuII
Now, at any starting range above 26-30km your average non-mwd raven will be toast if scrambled by another player.
Seeing it can only fire fof's at you (and will probably opt for EM missiles at that), you will survive long enough to kill it and being outside of nos range will help alot too.
Oh, and yes, the damage is quite enough to kill a Raven even when tanked.
Also works on other BS btw, except maybe a geddon with 3 sensor boosters.
All you need is a frig pilot good enough at evading missiles to keep a scramble in that Raven.
Oh, and yes, that can be done too.
Remaining fact is that that Raven pilot needs mediocre skills to works his setup and ship where the megathron pilot needs very high ones and alot of expensive stuff to make it fit.
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Marcus Aurelius
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Posted - 2004.12.15 17:20:00 -
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Edited by: Marcus Aurelius on 15/12/2004 17:27:28
7 425mm rails (named)
1 assault with defenders
1x EM hardener
2x dampener
1x cap recharger II
1x med repairer II
1x 1600mmplate
1x nano membrance II
3x damage mod
1x rcuII
Now, at any starting range above 26-30km your average non-mwd raven will be toast if scrambled by another player.
Seeing it can only fire fof's at you (and will probably opt for EM missiles at that), you will survive long enough to kill it and being outside of nos range will help alot too.
Oh, and yes, the damage is quite enough to kill a Raven even when tanked.
Also works on other BS btw, except maybe a geddon with 3 sensor boosters.
All you need is a frig pilot good enough at evading missiles to keep a scramble in that Raven.
Oh, and yes, that can be done too.
Remaining fact is that that Raven pilot needs mediocre skills to works his setup and ship where the megathron pilot needs very high ones and alot of expensive stuff to make it fit.
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Pandora Panda
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Posted - 2004.12.15 17:30:00 -
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Edited by: Pandora Panda on 15/12/2004 17:33:15
Originally by: Marcus Aurelius
Seeing it can only fire fof's at you (and will probably opt for EM missiles at that), you will survive long enough to kill it and being outside of nos range will help alot too.
Oh, and yes, the damage is quite enough to kill a Raven even when tanked.
My FoF do 450 damage. I can easily outtank you while they rip that apart, assuming that I dont just kill the scramblers with cruise and nos.
Oh, and if you want a gankathron...
7x 425mm
1x Sensor Booster II
3x Dampner
2x Tracking Enhancer II
5x Damage mod
You'd have a much better shot with that setup since you could sit at 40-50k with antimatter and do some very nice damage. 30k is too close unless the target is webbed, he can take a decent chunk out of your damage by going high-transverse velocity.
It wouldnt help your frig buddies live more then 30 seconds each though.
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Pandora Panda
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Posted - 2004.12.15 17:30:00 -
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Edited by: Pandora Panda on 15/12/2004 17:33:15
Originally by: Marcus Aurelius
Seeing it can only fire fof's at you (and will probably opt for EM missiles at that), you will survive long enough to kill it and being outside of nos range will help alot too.
Oh, and yes, the damage is quite enough to kill a Raven even when tanked.
My FoF do 450 damage. I can easily outtank you while they rip that apart, assuming that I dont just kill the scramblers with cruise and nos.
Oh, and if you want a gankathron...
7x 425mm
1x Sensor Booster II
3x Dampner
2x Tracking Enhancer II
5x Damage mod
You'd have a much better shot with that setup since you could sit at 40-50k with antimatter and do some very nice damage. 30k is too close unless the target is webbed, he can take a decent chunk out of your damage by going high-transverse velocity.
It wouldnt help your frig buddies live more then 30 seconds each though.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2004.12.15 17:49:00 -
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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 15/12/2004 17:52:27
Edited by: Rod Blaine on 15/12/2004 17:50:43
Originally by: Pandora Panda
Edited by: Pandora Panda on 15/12/2004 17:33:15
Originally by: Marcus Aurelius
Seeing it can only fire fof's at you (and will probably opt for EM missiles at that), you will survive long enough to kill it and being outside of nos range will help alot too.
Oh, and yes, the damage is quite enough to kill a Raven even when tanked.
My FoF do 450 damage. I can easily outtank you while they rip that apart, assuming that I dont just kill the scramblers with cruise and nos.
Oh, and if you want a gankathron...
7x 425mm
1x Sensor Booster II
3x Dampner
2x Tracking Enhancer II
5x Damage mod
You'd have a much better shot with that setup since you could sit at 40-50k with antimatter and do some very nice damage. 30k is too close unless the target is webbed, he can take a decent chunk out of your damage by going high-transverse velocity.
It wouldnt help your frig buddies live more then 30 seconds each though.
I'm not to sure Panda.
First, the scramblers.
They only need to be within 20km long enough to activate the modules on you. Once done, they move out, change heading a couple times to evade cruise and move back in in time for the end of the cycle on the scramblers.
You will not nos them, you will not cruise them.
(also, being damped like you are your locking time is gonna suck against frigs, and every cruise sent after them is notcoming for me is it ?)
Secondly, the damage I will deal is enough to empty your cap quite well. Of course, using 800 boosters does make things alot more hairy for me. The onlyreal test of a setup alike the one Marcus gave I've done was against a tanked non-mwd Raven without cap injector.
Well, lastly, you will have 6 launchers to refill with fof after I damp you, while I shoot you.
I have one assault launcher with defenders taking out 16-20% of your damage. I also have my drones to help with that.
Your fof will do 225 damage against my 50% EM shields (yes you will be using em missiles). I will be doing alot more damage against yours. Of course, I wil run out of shields first, but you will die fast when into armor while I die slower when into mine.
I've tried it against a Raven without an injector and won.
Now, as to why your gankathron setup wont work as well:
1. no defenders
2. too little cap recharge to keep firing 7 guns with AM.
(I have lvl 5 skills in everything that matters here btw).
3. You dont need a tracking bonus to hit a raven well on a megathron. The 25% natural bonus works quite well.
4. 5th damage mod and higher dont work very well anymore.
After the fourth the added damage is not helping tip the balance in your favour, added survivability does more.
6. That setup is quite worthless in any situation BUT a 1v1, the other one is usefull in more situations.
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Posted - 2004.12.15 17:49:00 -
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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 15/12/2004 17:52:27
Edited by: Rod Blaine on 15/12/2004 17:50:43
Originally by: Pandora Panda
Edited by: Pandora Panda on 15/12/2004 17:33:15
Originally by: Marcus Aurelius
Seeing it can only fire fof's at you (and will probably opt for EM missiles at that), you will survive long enough to kill it and being outside of nos range will help alot too.
Oh, and yes, the damage is quite enough to kill a Raven even when tanked.
My FoF do 450 damage. I can easily outtank you while they rip that apart, assuming that I dont just kill the scramblers with cruise and nos.
Oh, and if you want a gankathron...
7x 425mm
1x Sensor Booster II
3x Dampner
2x Tracking Enhancer II
5x Damage mod
You'd have a much better shot with that setup since you could sit at 40-50k with antimatter and do some very nice damage. 30k is too close unless the target is webbed, he can take a decent chunk out of your damage by going high-transverse velocity.
It wouldnt help your frig buddies live more then 30 seconds each though.
I'm not to sure Panda.
First, the scramblers.
They only need to be within 20km long enough to activate the modules on you. Once done, they move out, change heading a couple times to evade cruise and move back in in time for the end of the cycle on the scramblers.
You will not nos them, you will not cruise them.
(also, being damped like you are your locking time is gonna suck against frigs, and every cruise sent after them is notcoming for me is it ?)
Secondly, the damage I will deal is enough to empty your cap quite well. Of course, using 800 boosters does make things alot more hairy for me. The onlyreal test of a setup alike the one Marcus gave I've done was against a tanked non-mwd Raven without cap injector.
Well, lastly, you will have 6 launchers to refill with fof after I damp you, while I shoot you.
I have one assault launcher with defenders taking out 16-20% of your damage. I also have my drones to help with that.
Your fof will do 225 damage against my 50% EM shields (yes you will be using em missiles). I will be doing alot more damage against yours. Of course, I wil run out of shields first, but you will die fast when into armor while I die slower when into mine.
I've tried it against a Raven without an injector and won.
Now, as to why your gankathron setup wont work as well:
1. no defenders
2. too little cap recharge to keep firing 7 guns with AM.
(I have lvl 5 skills in everything that matters here btw).
3. You dont need a tracking bonus to hit a raven well on a megathron. The 25% natural bonus works quite well.
4. 5th damage mod and higher dont work very well anymore.
After the fourth the added damage is not helping tip the balance in your favour, added survivability does more.
6. That setup is quite worthless in any situation BUT a 1v1, the other one is usefull in more situations.
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Pandora Panda
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Posted - 2004.12.15 18:02:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine
Now, as to why your gankathron setup wont work as well:
1. no defenders
2. too little cap recharge to keep firing 7 guns with AM.
(I have lvl 5 skills in everything that matters here btw).
3. You dont need a tracking bonus to hit a raven well on a megathron. The 25% natural bonus works quite well.
4. 5th damage mod and higher dont work very well anymore.
After the fourth the added damage is not helping tip the balance in your favour, added survivability does more.
6. That setup is quite worthless in any situation BUT a 1v1, the other one is usefull in more situations.
Yeah, youre right about the cap. Would need to drop a damage mod for a cap relay. I wouldnt say that that setup is only good in 1v1s though, the dampning lets you sit at 60k and rain enough damage down to break a lot of tanks. Its pretty effective support in small engagments, especially if its a sole battleship in a frigate pack.
Oh, and I would have a launcher with defenders, theres plenty of room to fit it, just forgot to include it.
As for killing my raven, perhaps if you can hold me in one place long enough. But I dont think that you can do it with just one or two frigates. I guess it depends on where my FoFs decide to go (I wouldnt be using all EM, I usually use a mix of EM and Kinetic missiles). If it was just you and your damage against my tanking and my FoF, I dont think you'd be able to tank the barrage of missiles long enough to expend my cap charges.
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Pandora Panda
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Posted - 2004.12.15 18:02:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine
Now, as to why your gankathron setup wont work as well:
1. no defenders
2. too little cap recharge to keep firing 7 guns with AM.
(I have lvl 5 skills in everything that matters here btw).
3. You dont need a tracking bonus to hit a raven well on a megathron. The 25% natural bonus works quite well.
4. 5th damage mod and higher dont work very well anymore.
After the fourth the added damage is not helping tip the balance in your favour, added survivability does more.
6. That setup is quite worthless in any situation BUT a 1v1, the other one is usefull in more situations.
Yeah, youre right about the cap. Would need to drop a damage mod for a cap relay. I wouldnt say that that setup is only good in 1v1s though, the dampning lets you sit at 60k and rain enough damage down to break a lot of tanks. Its pretty effective support in small engagments, especially if its a sole battleship in a frigate pack.
Oh, and I would have a launcher with defenders, theres plenty of room to fit it, just forgot to include it.
As for killing my raven, perhaps if you can hold me in one place long enough. But I dont think that you can do it with just one or two frigates. I guess it depends on where my FoFs decide to go (I wouldnt be using all EM, I usually use a mix of EM and Kinetic missiles). If it was just you and your damage against my tanking and my FoF, I dont think you'd be able to tank the barrage of missiles long enough to expend my cap charges.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2004.12.15 18:11:00 -
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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 15/12/2004 18:11:23
Cap charges, maybe not no.
Any Raven without them certainly would.
The main problem with a true Gnakathron setup is its lack of versatility.
I move around alot, hence I will be using an MWD.
MWD's dont fit well on Gankathrons unless you use an rcu.
And besides, being called target in a larger engagement means you need some hp to survive the warp out and back in.
But all in all its a decent setup to surprise a Raven with.
Not that much Megathron setups can pose a serious threat to a Raven these days, as we see from this thread.
I also think the Mega needs a small cap recharge boost in order to compete with a Raven or Apoc in general funcionality.
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Posted - 2004.12.15 18:11:00 -
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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 15/12/2004 18:11:23
Cap charges, maybe not no.
Any Raven without them certainly would.
The main problem with a true Gnakathron setup is its lack of versatility.
I move around alot, hence I will be using an MWD.
MWD's dont fit well on Gankathrons unless you use an rcu.
And besides, being called target in a larger engagement means you need some hp to survive the warp out and back in.
But all in all its a decent setup to surprise a Raven with.
Not that much Megathron setups can pose a serious threat to a Raven these days, as we see from this thread.
I also think the Mega needs a small cap recharge boost in order to compete with a Raven or Apoc in general funcionality.
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Pandora Panda
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Posted - 2004.12.15 18:15:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine
I also think the Mega needs a small cap recharge boost in order to compete with a Raven or Apoc in general funcionality.
I'm not going to argue with that, I have lvl 4 caldari skills and lvl 5 gallente skills and I'm in a raven these days.
What I'd like to see is defenders fixed, and the mass/sig radius of the mega dropped by ~10% each. Every blasterthron uses cap charges anyway, giving it a bit more speed when MWDing and somewhat smaller vulnerability to turrets would be nice. Doesnt really help a railthron much though.
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Pandora Panda
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Posted - 2004.12.15 18:15:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine
I also think the Mega needs a small cap recharge boost in order to compete with a Raven or Apoc in general funcionality.
I'm not going to argue with that, I have lvl 4 caldari skills and lvl 5 gallente skills and I'm in a raven these days.
What I'd like to see is defenders fixed, and the mass/sig radius of the mega dropped by ~10% each. Every blasterthron uses cap charges anyway, giving it a bit more speed when MWDing and somewhat smaller vulnerability to turrets would be nice. Doesnt really help a railthron much though.
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Cherok
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Posted - 2004.12.15 18:37:00 -
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how about 6 Rails, 2 med. smartbombs
whatever in mids, 2 damps (or 3 multispec jammers)
if he is using cruise missiles on you, you don't even need to use damps or multi's, just use smartbombs to blow up missiles. If he's using torps, damp/jam him to force him to use fof cruise...
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Cherok
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Posted - 2004.12.15 18:37:00 -
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how about 6 Rails, 2 med. smartbombs
whatever in mids, 2 damps (or 3 multispec jammers)
if he is using cruise missiles on you, you don't even need to use damps or multi's, just use smartbombs to blow up missiles. If he's using torps, damp/jam him to force him to use fof cruise...
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Pandora Panda
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Posted - 2004.12.15 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: Cherok
how about 6 Rails, 2 med. smartbombs
whatever in mids, 2 damps (or 3 multispec jammers)
if he is using cruise missiles on you, you don't even need to use damps or multi's, just use smartbombs to blow up missiles. If he's using torps, damp/jam him to force him to use fof cruise...
Your damage output isnt good enough to do serious damage and you cant tank even half of the FoF cruise getting through, which is roughly what will leak through 2 medium smartbombs.
And please be using 3 multis to jam a raven.
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Pandora Panda
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Posted - 2004.12.15 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: Cherok
how about 6 Rails, 2 med. smartbombs
whatever in mids, 2 damps (or 3 multispec jammers)
if he is using cruise missiles on you, you don't even need to use damps or multi's, just use smartbombs to blow up missiles. If he's using torps, damp/jam him to force him to use fof cruise...
Your damage output isnt good enough to do serious damage and you cant tank even half of the FoF cruise getting through, which is roughly what will leak through 2 medium smartbombs.
And please be using 3 multis to jam a raven.
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Cherok
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Posted - 2004.12.15 18:51:00 -
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Have you tried it? Have you tweaked it? Or you just going to take my suggestions and mock? Personally, I haven't tried what I just suggested, but I can bet you one thing...with a little tweaking, you can make it work....Racial instead of multi?
Is the point here that missiles need a nerf? Is that what your getting at?
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Cherok
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Posted - 2004.12.15 18:51:00 -
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Have you tried it? Have you tweaked it? Or you just going to take my suggestions and mock? Personally, I haven't tried what I just suggested, but I can bet you one thing...with a little tweaking, you can make it work....Racial instead of multi?
Is the point here that missiles need a nerf? Is that what your getting at?
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2004.12.15 19:03:00 -
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Originally by: Cherok
Have you tried it? Have you tweaked it? Or you just going to take my suggestions and mock? Personally, I haven't tried what I just suggested, but I can bet you one thing...with a little tweaking, you can make it work....Racial instead of multi?
Is the point here that missiles need a nerf? Is that what your getting at?
The pointis that whatever setup you come up with must include at least some functionaility towards other ships as well. Using 6 guns and 2 med smartbombs together with 3 racial jammers on a mega gimps your setup incase you run into an Apoc instead for example.
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Posted - 2004.12.15 19:03:00 -
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Originally by: Cherok
Have you tried it? Have you tweaked it? Or you just going to take my suggestions and mock? Personally, I haven't tried what I just suggested, but I can bet you one thing...with a little tweaking, you can make it work....Racial instead of multi?
Is the point here that missiles need a nerf? Is that what your getting at?
The pointis that whatever setup you come up with must include at least some functionaility towards other ships as well. Using 6 guns and 2 med smartbombs together with 3 racial jammers on a mega gimps your setup incase you run into an Apoc instead for example.
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Posted - 2004.12.15 19:21:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Cherok
Have you tried it? Have you tweaked it? Or you just going to take my suggestions and mock? Personally, I haven't tried what I just suggested, but I can bet you one thing...with a little tweaking, you can make it work....Racial instead of multi?
Is the point here that missiles need a nerf? Is that what your getting at?
I don't really have a problem with ravens in battleship combat, just their overwhelming effectiveness in killing smaller ships compared to turret battleships. I would like to see something done to discourage cookie-cutter setups, my change would be to make cruise missile launchers better and take cruise out of siege launchers.
A well flown raven is probably the hardest battleship to counter in the game just because of its versatility, and you dont need many SP to do it.
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Pandora Panda
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Posted - 2004.12.15 19:21:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Cherok
Have you tried it? Have you tweaked it? Or you just going to take my suggestions and mock? Personally, I haven't tried what I just suggested, but I can bet you one thing...with a little tweaking, you can make it work....Racial instead of multi?
Is the point here that missiles need a nerf? Is that what your getting at?
I don't really have a problem with ravens in battleship combat, just their overwhelming effectiveness in killing smaller ships compared to turret battleships. I would like to see something done to discourage cookie-cutter setups, my change would be to make cruise missile launchers better and take cruise out of siege launchers.
A well flown raven is probably the hardest battleship to counter in the game just because of its versatility, and you dont need many SP to do it.
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LeMoose
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Posted - 2004.12.15 19:36:00 -
[35]
a megathron setup up for maximum damage output can dish out more damage then any other ship. most battleships are able to dish out more damage then any ship can tank.
shield tankers like ravens and tempests can do this while still shield tanking a fair amount...
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LeMoose
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Posted - 2004.12.15 19:36:00 -
[36]
a megathron setup up for maximum damage output can dish out more damage then any other ship. most battleships are able to dish out more damage then any ship can tank.
shield tankers like ravens and tempests can do this while still shield tanking a fair amount...
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2004.12.15 19:44:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Liu Kaskakka
Originally by: The Mizz
I went up against a maxed out raven pilot ... key to this setup is doing damage especially with the torps doing em damage which should hit in the 500's with decent skills.
Did the "maxed out raven pilot" forget to turn his EM hardener on?
Hehehe
I think he was going up against a Raven pilot who had setup to tank Rails/Blasters (two kinetic one thermal hardner).
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2004.12.15 19:44:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Liu Kaskakka
Originally by: The Mizz
I went up against a maxed out raven pilot ... key to this setup is doing damage especially with the torps doing em damage which should hit in the 500's with decent skills.
Did the "maxed out raven pilot" forget to turn his EM hardener on?
Hehehe
I think he was going up against a Raven pilot who had setup to tank Rails/Blasters (two kinetic one thermal hardner).
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F4ze
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Posted - 2004.12.16 10:24:00 -
[39]
Try this:
6 Modal Mega Electron
2 Heavy Diminishing Nosferatu
1 Quad LIF MWD
1 Named or Faction Webifier
1 J5b Scrambler
1 Heavy Electrochemical Cap Booster (800 charges)
1 Large Accomodation Vestment Reconstructer
1 Medium Armor Repairer II
1 N-Type Explosive Hardener
1 N-Type EM Hardener
1 N-Type Kinetic Hardener
1 N-Type Thermal Hardener
1 Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
10 Praetor Drones (EM damage, fastest heavy drones)
8 Cap 800 Charges in cargo
Watch Raven go boom (faster than you).
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F4ze
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Posted - 2004.12.16 10:24:00 -
[40]
Try this:
6 Modal Mega Electron
2 Heavy Diminishing Nosferatu
1 Quad LIF MWD
1 Named or Faction Webifier
1 J5b Scrambler
1 Heavy Electrochemical Cap Booster (800 charges)
1 Large Accomodation Vestment Reconstructer
1 Medium Armor Repairer II
1 N-Type Explosive Hardener
1 N-Type EM Hardener
1 N-Type Kinetic Hardener
1 N-Type Thermal Hardener
1 Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
10 Praetor Drones (EM damage, fastest heavy drones)
8 Cap 800 Charges in cargo
Watch Raven go boom (faster than you).
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Juan Andalusian
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Posted - 2004.12.16 10:32:00 -
[41]
7 Modal Electrons + 1 Large sbomb = end of discussion.
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Juan Andalusian
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Posted - 2004.12.16 10:32:00 -
[42]
7 Modal Electrons + 1 Large sbomb = end of discussion.
**Pain is meant to be felt** |
Pandora Panda
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Posted - 2004.12.16 10:38:00 -
[43]
Originally by: F4ze
Try this:
6 Modal Mega Electron
2 Heavy Diminishing Nosferatu
1 Quad LIF MWD
1 Named or Faction Webifier
1 J5b Scrambler
1 Heavy Electrochemical Cap Booster (800 charges)
1 Large Accomodation Vestment Reconstructer
1 Medium Armor Repairer II
1 N-Type Explosive Hardener
1 N-Type EM Hardener
1 N-Type Kinetic Hardener
1 N-Type Thermal Hardener
1 Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
10 Praetor Drones (EM damage, fastest heavy drones)
8 Cap 800 Charges in cargo
Watch Raven go boom (faster than you).
If you dont start within 5k of my raven with ~10m in modules on it total, you will not win. Your DoT is not high enough to overcome an XL SB tank before 800 damage torps ruin your day.
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Posted - 2004.12.16 10:38:00 -
[44]
Originally by: F4ze
Try this:
6 Modal Mega Electron
2 Heavy Diminishing Nosferatu
1 Quad LIF MWD
1 Named or Faction Webifier
1 J5b Scrambler
1 Heavy Electrochemical Cap Booster (800 charges)
1 Large Accomodation Vestment Reconstructer
1 Medium Armor Repairer II
1 N-Type Explosive Hardener
1 N-Type EM Hardener
1 N-Type Kinetic Hardener
1 N-Type Thermal Hardener
1 Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
10 Praetor Drones (EM damage, fastest heavy drones)
8 Cap 800 Charges in cargo
Watch Raven go boom (faster than you).
If you dont start within 5k of my raven with ~10m in modules on it total, you will not win. Your DoT is not high enough to overcome an XL SB tank before 800 damage torps ruin your day.
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Arleonenis
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Posted - 2004.12.16 11:25:00 -
[45]
you tried smartbomb? it do wonders on those torpedos but for cruise missles you will need two smartbombs and synchronize them well... preferably em smartbombs to do massive dmg to raven shields as bonus;)
(tech 2 or named ofcorse, as rest dont do enough dmg)
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Arleonenis
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Posted - 2004.12.16 11:25:00 -
[46]
you tried smartbomb? it do wonders on those torpedos but for cruise missles you will need two smartbombs and synchronize them well... preferably em smartbombs to do massive dmg to raven shields as bonus;)
(tech 2 or named ofcorse, as rest dont do enough dmg)
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F4ze
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Posted - 2004.12.16 14:01:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Pandora Panda
Originally by: F4ze
Try this:
6 Modal Mega Electron
2 Heavy Diminishing Nosferatu
1 Quad LIF MWD
1 Named or Faction Webifier
1 J5b Scrambler
1 Heavy Electrochemical Cap Booster (800 charges)
1 Large Accomodation Vestment Reconstructer
1 Medium Armor Repairer II
1 N-Type Explosive Hardener
1 N-Type EM Hardener
1 N-Type Kinetic Hardener
1 N-Type Thermal Hardener
1 Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
10 Praetor Drones (EM damage, fastest heavy drones)
8 Cap 800 Charges in cargo
Watch Raven go boom (faster than you).
If you dont start within 5k of my raven with ~10m in modules on it total, you will not win. Your DoT is not high enough to overcome an XL SB tank before 800 damage torps ruin your day.
10mil in modules??
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F4ze
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Posted - 2004.12.16 14:01:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Pandora Panda
Originally by: F4ze
Try this:
6 Modal Mega Electron
2 Heavy Diminishing Nosferatu
1 Quad LIF MWD
1 Named or Faction Webifier
1 J5b Scrambler
1 Heavy Electrochemical Cap Booster (800 charges)
1 Large Accomodation Vestment Reconstructer
1 Medium Armor Repairer II
1 N-Type Explosive Hardener
1 N-Type EM Hardener
1 N-Type Kinetic Hardener
1 N-Type Thermal Hardener
1 Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
10 Praetor Drones (EM damage, fastest heavy drones)
8 Cap 800 Charges in cargo
Watch Raven go boom (faster than you).
If you dont start within 5k of my raven with ~10m in modules on it total, you will not win. Your DoT is not high enough to overcome an XL SB tank before 800 damage torps ruin your day.
10mil in modules??
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Little Bob
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Posted - 2004.12.16 14:26:00 -
[49]
Pandora is completly correct about the Raven,i have over 20mill sp's and done a test against a corp mate with 5mill less than me,all i am missing is large specialisation lvl 5,here were the results:
Fitting on my Mega:
5 Tech II mega Neutrons
2 Tech II neutrons
1 large sb
3 tech II damge mods
no mwd
The other fittings dont matter as the raven was not going to fire back.
His were:
5 PDU II's
1 c5l xl
1 shield amp
3 hardeners
1 warp scram
2 nos
and seige launchers.
As i said earlier he was not going to fire back so the fight started at 5km,i webbed him and opened up with my guns.
basically the results were poor for the mega,he was at 33% cap and 25% shields while i was at 25% cap and that is with not even using my armour rep and sb to defend myself.His tank just soaked up all the damge i could throw for too long.
God only know what would of happened if he had fired back.
The Raven used to be the king of close quarter fighting,but those days are long gone.To anyone who say's otherwise tbh does'nt know what they are talking about and are getting caught up in the "Mega rocks under 10K" threads that are many a reply to the Raven and apoc are overpowered threads.
To put it simply the Megathron is the worst lvl 2 bs in game at the momement.
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Little Bob
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Posted - 2004.12.16 14:26:00 -
[50]
Pandora is completly correct about the Raven,i have over 20mill sp's and done a test against a corp mate with 5mill less than me,all i am missing is large specialisation lvl 5,here were the results:
Fitting on my Mega:
5 Tech II mega Neutrons
2 Tech II neutrons
1 large sb
3 tech II damge mods
no mwd
The other fittings dont matter as the raven was not going to fire back.
His were:
5 PDU II's
1 c5l xl
1 shield amp
3 hardeners
1 warp scram
2 nos
and seige launchers.
As i said earlier he was not going to fire back so the fight started at 5km,i webbed him and opened up with my guns.
basically the results were poor for the mega,he was at 33% cap and 25% shields while i was at 25% cap and that is with not even using my armour rep and sb to defend myself.His tank just soaked up all the damge i could throw for too long.
God only know what would of happened if he had fired back.
The Raven used to be the king of close quarter fighting,but those days are long gone.To anyone who say's otherwise tbh does'nt know what they are talking about and are getting caught up in the "Mega rocks under 10K" threads that are many a reply to the Raven and apoc are overpowered threads.
To put it simply the Megathron is the worst lvl 2 bs in game at the momement.
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Juan Andalusian
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Posted - 2004.12.16 14:45:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Little Bob
Pandora is completly correct about the Raven,i have over 20mill sp's and done a test against a corp mate with 5mill less than me,all i am missing is large specialisation lvl 5,here were the results:
Fitting on my Mega:
5 Tech II mega Neutrons
2 Tech II neutrons
1 large sb
3 tech II damge mods
no mwd
The other fittings dont matter as the raven was not going to fire back.
His were:
5 PDU II's
1 c5l xl
1 shield amp
3 hardeners
1 warp scram
2 nos
and seige launchers.
As i said earlier he was not going to fire back so the fight started at 5km,i webbed him and opened up with my guns.
basically the results were poor for the mega,he was at 33% cap and 25% shields while i was at 25% cap and that is with not even using my armour rep and sb to defend myself.His tank just soaked up all the damge i could throw for too long.
God only know what would of happened if he had fired back.
The Raven used to be the king of close quarter fighting,but those days are long gone.To anyone who say's otherwise tbh does'nt know what they are talking about and are getting caught up in the "Mega rocks under 10K" threads that are many a reply to the Raven and apoc are overpowered threads.
To put it simply the Megathron is the worst lvl 2 bs in game at the momement.
Hilarious.
I've seen ridiculous posts but this is quality.
**Pain is meant to be felt** |
Juan Andalusian
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Posted - 2004.12.16 14:45:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Little Bob
Pandora is completly correct about the Raven,i have over 20mill sp's and done a test against a corp mate with 5mill less than me,all i am missing is large specialisation lvl 5,here were the results:
Fitting on my Mega:
5 Tech II mega Neutrons
2 Tech II neutrons
1 large sb
3 tech II damge mods
no mwd
The other fittings dont matter as the raven was not going to fire back.
His were:
5 PDU II's
1 c5l xl
1 shield amp
3 hardeners
1 warp scram
2 nos
and seige launchers.
As i said earlier he was not going to fire back so the fight started at 5km,i webbed him and opened up with my guns.
basically the results were poor for the mega,he was at 33% cap and 25% shields while i was at 25% cap and that is with not even using my armour rep and sb to defend myself.His tank just soaked up all the damge i could throw for too long.
God only know what would of happened if he had fired back.
The Raven used to be the king of close quarter fighting,but those days are long gone.To anyone who say's otherwise tbh does'nt know what they are talking about and are getting caught up in the "Mega rocks under 10K" threads that are many a reply to the Raven and apoc are overpowered threads.
To put it simply the Megathron is the worst lvl 2 bs in game at the momement.
Hilarious.
I've seen ridiculous posts but this is quality.
**Pain is meant to be felt** |
Little Bob
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Posted - 2004.12.16 15:04:00 -
[53]
Well im glad you found it funny,But its still correct.
I guess thats what ****es you off hey
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Little Bob
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Posted - 2004.12.16 15:04:00 -
[54]
Well im glad you found it funny,But its still correct.
I guess thats what ****es you off hey
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Captain Rod
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Posted - 2004.12.16 15:23:00 -
[55]
Dude? Tech 2 nutes? Wtf is the damage multipier on them babies? It must be awesome? (I hope)
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Captain Rod
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Posted - 2004.12.16 15:23:00 -
[56]
Dude? Tech 2 nutes? Wtf is the damage multipier on them babies? It must be awesome? (I hope)
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Juan Andalusian
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Posted - 2004.12.16 15:33:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Little Bob
Well im glad you found it funny,But its still correct.
I guess thats what ****es you off hey
1) You say that the rest of the modules on the loadout you gave is not important, and then you go whine about the cap left on it, without letting us know what the Megathron uses for energy recharge.
2) Your highslot loadout is pitiful.
3) Lets assume EM KINETIC THERMAL hards on that raven loadout you gave. XL C5-L with the Amp gets you at 156 shield boost per sec, with 70 kinetic 60 thermal resist.
Lets take the only correct thing you used on that Thron loadout (the 3 mag stab IIs) and apply the modest highslot loadout i proposed at the top of this page.
Lets say we sacrifice the remaining 4 slots to tank, we therefore must use a cap injector.
Now a Pilot with maxed gunnery skills and level 4 BS using a named thermal sbomb (300 damage) and 9 wasps, will be able to punch at you for 253 damage per sec.
That's 100 damage per sec, while the raven's cap slowly dies, and at least 50% of it's torps (a pessimistic figure if the sbomb user has any skill) is getting nuked.
Now the Raven could fit a Vepa's XL booster and actually present a challenge to the above mentioned Megathron by mathcing it's damage output but still losing the cap race.
You can fit 7 small electrons on yer mega and lose to a raven, that doesn't mean people don't know their stuff and that the Megathron is the worst tier 2 bs.
**Pain is meant to be felt** |
Juan Andalusian
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Posted - 2004.12.16 15:33:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Little Bob
Well im glad you found it funny,But its still correct.
I guess thats what ****es you off hey
1) You say that the rest of the modules on the loadout you gave is not important, and then you go whine about the cap left on it, without letting us know what the Megathron uses for energy recharge.
2) Your highslot loadout is pitiful.
3) Lets assume EM KINETIC THERMAL hards on that raven loadout you gave. XL C5-L with the Amp gets you at 156 shield boost per sec, with 70 kinetic 60 thermal resist.
Lets take the only correct thing you used on that Thron loadout (the 3 mag stab IIs) and apply the modest highslot loadout i proposed at the top of this page.
Lets say we sacrifice the remaining 4 slots to tank, we therefore must use a cap injector.
Now a Pilot with maxed gunnery skills and level 4 BS using a named thermal sbomb (300 damage) and 9 wasps, will be able to punch at you for 253 damage per sec.
That's 100 damage per sec, while the raven's cap slowly dies, and at least 50% of it's torps (a pessimistic figure if the sbomb user has any skill) is getting nuked.
Now the Raven could fit a Vepa's XL booster and actually present a challenge to the above mentioned Megathron by mathcing it's damage output but still losing the cap race.
You can fit 7 small electrons on yer mega and lose to a raven, that doesn't mean people don't know their stuff and that the Megathron is the worst tier 2 bs.
**Pain is meant to be felt** |
Little Bob
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Posted - 2004.12.16 16:06:00 -
[59]
Edited by: Little Bob on 16/12/2004 16:24:03
1)Mid slots were:
1 ab
1 cap injector
1 warp scram
1 web
Now of course i could of activated my cap injector and it most likely would of turned the fight(if he had been firing back),but he wasnt and my point was that he was about to out cap me when i wasnt even using defencive modules only guns,i guess you missed that point
2) Calling my high slot pityfull shows that you dont know what you are talking about.
3) Yep you are correct a large sb would of cut out most of his torps,but the drones..again drones dont react to sb's to well when you are orbiting your oponent at 5k,and that is the best range for neuts if you hadnt noticed.
Again you dont understand a ravens shield and cap recharge when using 5 pdu II's so it makes all you nice little calculations look,well rather silly.
Again notice my point about the Mega would have to start using his cap 800's just to keep his guns going to out cap the raven even though it wasnt firing back,are ya starting to get it now
Oh and bs lvl 4 is for noobs.
I forgot to add your setup to this disussion,7 Modal electrons will NOT overpower a good Raven pilots shield tank before he out caps you even using cap 800's,you under estimate how many torps do actually get through and how much cap it takes to use a large sb.
You have to overpower peoples tanks when flying a blasterthron and trust me your setup wont,How do i know this ,Because ive tried it thats why even with tech II version's but i doubt you can use them yet
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Little Bob
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Posted - 2004.12.16 16:06:00 -
[60]
Edited by: Little Bob on 16/12/2004 16:24:03
1)Mid slots were:
1 ab
1 cap injector
1 warp scram
1 web
Now of course i could of activated my cap injector and it most likely would of turned the fight(if he had been firing back),but he wasnt and my point was that he was about to out cap me when i wasnt even using defencive modules only guns,i guess you missed that point
2) Calling my high slot pityfull shows that you dont know what you are talking about.
3) Yep you are correct a large sb would of cut out most of his torps,but the drones..again drones dont react to sb's to well when you are orbiting your oponent at 5k,and that is the best range for neuts if you hadnt noticed.
Again you dont understand a ravens shield and cap recharge when using 5 pdu II's so it makes all you nice little calculations look,well rather silly.
Again notice my point about the Mega would have to start using his cap 800's just to keep his guns going to out cap the raven even though it wasnt firing back,are ya starting to get it now
Oh and bs lvl 4 is for noobs.
I forgot to add your setup to this disussion,7 Modal electrons will NOT overpower a good Raven pilots shield tank before he out caps you even using cap 800's,you under estimate how many torps do actually get through and how much cap it takes to use a large sb.
You have to overpower peoples tanks when flying a blasterthron and trust me your setup wont,How do i know this,Because ive tried it thats why even with tech II version's but i doubt you can use them yet
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F4ze
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Posted - 2004.12.16 23:58:00 -
[61]
Dropping the megathron damage bonus on 2 of your 7 guns is not very smart.
You'd be better off with 7 ion or electron blasters instead of 5 neutron cannons and 2 medium neutron blasters.
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F4ze
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Posted - 2004.12.16 23:58:00 -
[62]
Dropping the megathron damage bonus on 2 of your 7 guns is not very smart.
You'd be better off with 7 ion or electron blasters instead of 5 neutron cannons and 2 medium neutron blasters.
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Little Bob
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Posted - 2004.12.17 00:47:00 -
[63]
I can agree on its not the best of ideas to lose the bonus on 2 of my guns but you are only losing one in reality as the tracking is so good on mediums it makes up for that shortfall.
As for the damage medium tech II neutrons wont be that far behind electrons and ions because of the higher starting damage mod and lower ROF.
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Little Bob
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Posted - 2004.12.17 00:47:00 -
[64]
I can agree on its not the best of ideas to lose the bonus on 2 of my guns but you are only losing one in reality as the tracking is so good on mediums it makes up for that shortfall.
As for the damage medium tech II neutrons wont be that far behind electrons and ions because of the higher starting damage mod and lower ROF.
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jamesw
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Posted - 2004.12.17 01:46:00 -
[65]
As was mentioned above:
1 or 2 smartbombs will KILL the damage output of a raven - it will do literally ZERO damage if you time them properly.
Stick at around the 7km range, so you can send your drones after him without worrying about them getting killed by your smartombs. Alternatively get in to 4km and use your smartbombs on him instead of drones.
Your midslot setup of MWD, 7.5k Scrambler and Web will hold him there. The Heavy Cap booster loaded with 800's should be enough to keep those smartbombs going full time (remember, if torps are not hitting you, you dont need to power large armour reps). If you fit specifically to fight a raven, then armour tanking is not the biggest issue, so you can fit low slots for cap recharge and/or fitting bigger guns.
If you want to get a bit tricky, you could also fit 2 x Heavy Nos (to negate the ones he will have on you), but then you are down to only 4 blasters which may not be enough to overpower him.
A raven's only advantage is the high damage torps do. Torps are so easy to negate if you use the right defence mechanism (ie. dont defend the damage they do, just stop them hitting you).
As a side note - the other high-damage ship (ie gankgeddon) can be a bit trickier, but 2 em armour hardeners and 2 thermal armour hardeners would make his life a little difficult....
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jamesw
Rubra Libertas Militia
Originally by: RollinDutchMasters
I fly a dominix, its like a portable blob in a can
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jamesw
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Posted - 2004.12.17 01:46:00 -
[66]
As was mentioned above:
1 or 2 smartbombs will KILL the damage output of a raven - it will do literally ZERO damage if you time them properly.
Stick at around the 7km range, so you can send your drones after him without worrying about them getting killed by your smartombs. Alternatively get in to 4km and use your smartbombs on him instead of drones.
Your midslot setup of MWD, 7.5k Scrambler and Web will hold him there. The Heavy Cap booster loaded with 800's should be enough to keep those smartbombs going full time (remember, if torps are not hitting you, you dont need to power large armour reps). If you fit specifically to fight a raven, then armour tanking is not the biggest issue, so you can fit low slots for cap recharge and/or fitting bigger guns.
If you want to get a bit tricky, you could also fit 2 x Heavy Nos (to negate the ones he will have on you), but then you are down to only 4 blasters which may not be enough to overpower him.
A raven's only advantage is the high damage torps do. Torps are so easy to negate if you use the right defence mechanism (ie. dont defend the damage they do, just stop them hitting you).
As a side note - the other high-damage ship (ie gankgeddon) can be a bit trickier, but 2 em armour hardeners and 2 thermal armour hardeners would make his life a little difficult....
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jamesw
Rubra Libertas Militia
Originally by: RollinDutchMasters
I fly a dominix, its like a portable blob in a can
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CKieschnick
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Posted - 2004.12.17 02:53:00 -
[67]
Even with 2 large smartbombs torps will still get through and the second you have to turn on 1 of your repairers on, that along with the smartbombs, guns, and the mwd cap penalty you die.
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CKieschnick
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Posted - 2004.12.17 02:53:00 -
[68]
Even with 2 large smartbombs torps will still get through and the second you have to turn on 1 of your repairers on, that along with the smartbombs, guns, and the mwd cap penalty you die.
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Lucian Alucard
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Posted - 2004.12.17 03:10:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Pandora Panda
Originally by: The Mizz
I have fitted 2 seiege launchers and 6 blasters and yes I have armor tanked my mega with 3 hardeners and a large repairer and yes my skills are very high and yes this setup does withstand a raven because it covers too many dmg areas where a raven cant sheild harden them all.
6xSiege
2xMedium Nos
1x XL Booster
3x Hardeners
1x Warp Disruptor
1x Cap Injector w/800s
4x Ballistic Control
1x RCU II
You would last 5 volleys (at best), which is ~50 seconds. And I can start firing whenever I want, while you have to MWD in close. Oh, and I tank more damage faster then you do.
Bang. Megathron dead.
Not really. If the meg uses 425MM rails he can out range you and out damage you.But sniper set ups lack any defense if done right. But for up close damage the Raven is still one of the most potent ships the thing is the closer the meg gets t a raven the worse it is for the meg, since it shortens the flight time of missles. Its just evil to be 20km or less from a raven. I do over 4k damge per volley and use Z series launchers, with caldari bs 4 and torps/crusie 4. Do the math up close ONLY a super tank apoc stands a chance.
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Posted - 2004.12.17 03:10:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Pandora Panda
Originally by: The Mizz
I have fitted 2 seiege launchers and 6 blasters and yes I have armor tanked my mega with 3 hardeners and a large repairer and yes my skills are very high and yes this setup does withstand a raven because it covers too many dmg areas where a raven cant sheild harden them all.
6xSiege
2xMedium Nos
1x XL Booster
3x Hardeners
1x Warp Disruptor
1x Cap Injector w/800s
4x Ballistic Control
1x RCU II
You would last 5 volleys (at best), which is ~50 seconds. And I can start firing whenever I want, while you have to MWD in close. Oh, and I tank more damage faster then you do.
Bang. Megathron dead.
Not really. If the meg uses 425MM rails he can out range you and out damage you.But sniper set ups lack any defense if done right. But for up close damage the Raven is still one of the most potent ships the thing is the closer the meg gets t a raven the worse it is for the meg, since it shortens the flight time of missles. Its just evil to be 20km or less from a raven. I do over 4k damge per volley and use Z series launchers, with caldari bs 4 and torps/crusie 4. Do the math up close ONLY a super tank apoc stands a chance.
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Masta Killa
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Posted - 2004.12.17 05:40:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Pandora Panda
Edited by: Pandora Panda on 15/12/2004 16:05:07
A megathron cant hold up against a raven with 4-5 ballistic controls, which most smart raven pilots will be running.
A scrambling frigate isnt really that helpful because it wont last more then 30 seconds.
Also, a blasterthron is severely CPU-impaired. I dont know how you fit siege launchers, turrets, a MWD, cap booster, scrambler, webber, and a tank without CPU IIs (or where you found a raven without hardeners that didnt dampen you to death).
Yes, a megathron can kill a poorly configured raven. No, it cant kill a well-kitted and flown one, unless it starts within 5k. And even then, my money is on my raven.
4-5 ballistics = not that smart if you like fighting up close and using hvy nos's and pdu's + ballistics instead of dealing a tiny bit more dmg.
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Masta Killa
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Posted - 2004.12.17 05:40:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Pandora Panda
Edited by: Pandora Panda on 15/12/2004 16:05:07
A megathron cant hold up against a raven with 4-5 ballistic controls, which most smart raven pilots will be running.
A scrambling frigate isnt really that helpful because it wont last more then 30 seconds.
Also, a blasterthron is severely CPU-impaired. I dont know how you fit siege launchers, turrets, a MWD, cap booster, scrambler, webber, and a tank without CPU IIs (or where you found a raven without hardeners that didnt dampen you to death).
Yes, a megathron can kill a poorly configured raven. No, it cant kill a well-kitted and flown one, unless it starts within 5k. And even then, my money is on my raven.
4-5 ballistics = not that smart if you like fighting up close and using hvy nos's and pdu's + ballistics instead of dealing a tiny bit more dmg.
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CKieschnick
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Posted - 2004.12.17 06:45:00 -
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Damage mods make quite a bit a difference, pd2's arent something i would really want to put on my raven other more useful things could be added imo.
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CKieschnick
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Posted - 2004.12.17 06:45:00 -
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Damage mods make quite a bit a difference, pd2's arent something i would really want to put on my raven other more useful things could be added imo.
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Juan Andalusian
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Posted - 2004.12.17 08:50:00 -
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Originally by: Little Bob
Again you dont understand a ravens shield and cap recharge when using 5 pdu II's so it makes all you nice little calculations look,well rather silly.
Even though you are overestimating the cap recharge of the raven i still don't see the connection to this when i've proven that even with modest loadout and skills Quote:
Oh and bs lvl 4 is for noobs.
you can overpower it's shield boosting per sec, while at the same time severely hamper it's damage dealing potential.
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Again notice my point about the Mega would have to start using his cap 800's just to keep his guns going to out cap the raven even though it wasnt firing back,are ya starting to get it now
Apparently you are the one who doesn't get it.
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I forgot to add your setup to this disussion,7 Modal electrons will NOT overpower a good Raven pilots shield tank before he out caps you even using cap 800's,you under estimate how many torps do actually get through and how much cap it takes to use a large sb.
Actually i've even outcapped a raven with 6 Modal Electron and 2 Medium Sbombs but that is an obsolete loadout now.
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You have to overpower peoples tanks when flying a blasterthron and trust me your setup wont,How do i know this,Because ive tried it thats why even with tech II version's but i doubt you can use them yet
Do you have reading comprehension problems? or are you just a moron? I gave you the math there mate. Go calculate the Shield Boost per sec of a XL C5-L sb + amp and then calculate the (resistance for 1 Kinetic 1 Thermal Hardeners factored) DoT of 7 Modal Electrons on a Maxed Gunnery + Level 4 BS Megathron + the sbomb damage with level 4 energy pulse weapons.
Oh and no thanks about the Tech II large blasters. The cpu difference between best named tech I means that for my loadouts i basically will get the same Dam Mod for less Rof. Oh and they do suck way more Capacitor, but i bet you have started to realise that... then again you are just a fool.
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Juan Andalusian
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Posted - 2004.12.17 08:50:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Little Bob
Again you dont understand a ravens shield and cap recharge when using 5 pdu II's so it makes all you nice little calculations look,well rather silly.
Even though you are overestimating the cap recharge of the raven i still don't see the connection to this when i've proven that even with modest loadout and skills Quote:
Oh and bs lvl 4 is for noobs.
you can overpower it's shield boosting per sec, while at the same time severely hamper it's damage dealing potential.
Quote:
Again notice my point about the Mega would have to start using his cap 800's just to keep his guns going to out cap the raven even though it wasnt firing back,are ya starting to get it now
Apparently you are the one who doesn't get it.
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I forgot to add your setup to this disussion,7 Modal electrons will NOT overpower a good Raven pilots shield tank before he out caps you even using cap 800's,you under estimate how many torps do actually get through and how much cap it takes to use a large sb.
Actually i've even outcapped a raven with 6 Modal Electron and 2 Medium Sbombs but that is an obsolete loadout now.
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You have to overpower peoples tanks when flying a blasterthron and trust me your setup wont,How do i know this,Because ive tried it thats why even with tech II version's but i doubt you can use them yet
Do you have reading comprehension problems? or are you just a moron? I gave you the math there mate. Go calculate the Shield Boost per sec of a XL C5-L sb + amp and then calculate the (resistance for 1 Kinetic 1 Thermal Hardeners factored) DoT of 7 Modal Electrons on a Maxed Gunnery + Level 4 BS Megathron + the sbomb damage with level 4 energy pulse weapons.
Oh and no thanks about the Tech II large blasters. The cpu difference between best named tech I means that for my loadouts i basically will get the same Dam Mod for less Rof. Oh and they do suck way more Capacitor, but i bet you have started to realise that... then again you are just a fool.
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Alex Harumichi
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Posted - 2004.12.17 08:52:00 -
[77]
Originally by: CKieschnick
Even with 2 large smartbombs torps will still get through and the second you have to turn on 1 of your repairers on, that along with the smartbombs, guns, and the mwd cap penalty you die.
Ok, I'm pretty new to bs combat (mostly fly smaller ships), but would t2 medium smartbombs work better for missile defense here? Sure, the radius is 1km smaller which may or may not be an issue, but the cap use is much lower. Just a thought.
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Alex Harumichi
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Posted - 2004.12.17 08:52:00 -
[78]
Originally by: CKieschnick
Even with 2 large smartbombs torps will still get through and the second you have to turn on 1 of your repairers on, that along with the smartbombs, guns, and the mwd cap penalty you die.
Ok, I'm pretty new to bs combat (mostly fly smaller ships), but would t2 medium smartbombs work better for missile defense here? Sure, the radius is 1km smaller which may or may not be an issue, but the cap use is much lower. Just a thought.
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Juan Andalusian
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Posted - 2004.12.17 09:06:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Alex Harumichi
Originally by: CKieschnick
Even with 2 large smartbombs torps will still get through and the second you have to turn on 1 of your repairers on, that along with the smartbombs, guns, and the mwd cap penalty you die.
Ok, I'm pretty new to bs combat (mostly fly smaller ships), but would t2 medium smartbombs work better for missile defense here? Sure, the radius is 1km smaller which may or may not be an issue, but the cap use is much lower. Just a thought.
Torp hps have been adjusted 1-2 patches before Exodus. 2 Medium's won't work vs Torps anymore only vs Cruise.
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Juan Andalusian
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Posted - 2004.12.17 09:06:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Alex Harumichi
Originally by: CKieschnick
Even with 2 large smartbombs torps will still get through and the second you have to turn on 1 of your repairers on, that along with the smartbombs, guns, and the mwd cap penalty you die.
Ok, I'm pretty new to bs combat (mostly fly smaller ships), but would t2 medium smartbombs work better for missile defense here? Sure, the radius is 1km smaller which may or may not be an issue, but the cap use is much lower. Just a thought.
Torp hps have been adjusted 1-2 patches before Exodus. 2 Medium's won't work vs Torps anymore only vs Cruise.
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Alex Harumichi
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Posted - 2004.12.17 10:00:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Juan Andalusian
Torp hps have been adjusted 1-2 patches before Exodus. 2 Medium's won't work vs Torps anymore only vs Cruise.
Ah, that's good to know, thanks. Would be an embarassing way to die
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Alex Harumichi
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Posted - 2004.12.17 10:00:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Juan Andalusian
Torp hps have been adjusted 1-2 patches before Exodus. 2 Medium's won't work vs Torps anymore only vs Cruise.
Ah, that's good to know, thanks. Would be an embarassing way to die
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Lil' Bit
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Posted - 2004.12.17 12:30:00 -
[83]
Edited by: Lil' Bit on 17/12/2004 12:30:46
Originally by: CKieschnick
Even with 2 large smartbombs torps will still get through and the second you have to turn on 1 of your repairers on, that along with the smartbombs, guns, and the mwd cap penalty you die.
Put your MWD offline once you are in range. No guts, no glory.
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Lil' Bit
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Posted - 2004.12.17 12:30:00 -
[84]
Edited by: Lil' Bit on 17/12/2004 12:30:46
Originally by: CKieschnick
Even with 2 large smartbombs torps will still get through and the second you have to turn on 1 of your repairers on, that along with the smartbombs, guns, and the mwd cap penalty you die.
Put your MWD offline once you are in range. No guts, no glory.
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Little Bob
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Posted - 2004.12.17 13:45:00 -
[85]
Juan as your pretty aware we both have different opinions on the mega and ravens,I test in space with all the guns eve has to offer so i know the best setup for my ship,You test with number calculations.
Both our fine but we will just cause a 10 page thread on who is right and who is wrong,and i sort of cant be bothered
Think we should agree to disagree on this one
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Little Bob
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Posted - 2004.12.17 13:45:00 -
[86]
Juan as your pretty aware we both have different opinions on the mega and ravens,I test in space with all the guns eve has to offer so i know the best setup for my ship,You test with number calculations.
Both our fine but we will just cause a 10 page thread on who is right and who is wrong,and i sort of cant be bothered
Think we should agree to disagree on this one
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Pandora Panda
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Posted - 2004.12.17 13:47:00 -
[87]
I've never fought against a mega with a large smartbomb (probably not a lot of people want to fly a setup that will die to a couple rifters), but I was having serious problems with maxed cap skills keeping the SB, repariers, and weapons going even using a heavy electrochemical with 800s. Over a pretty short period of time.
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Pandora Panda
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Posted - 2004.12.17 13:47:00 -
[88]
I've never fought against a mega with a large smartbomb (probably not a lot of people want to fly a setup that will die to a couple rifters), but I was having serious problems with maxed cap skills keeping the SB, repariers, and weapons going even using a heavy electrochemical with 800s. Over a pretty short period of time.
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Juan Andalusian
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Posted - 2004.12.17 14:21:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Little Bob
Juan as your pretty aware we both have different opinions on the mega and ravens,I test in space with all the guns eve has to offer so i know the best setup for my ship,You test with number calculations.
Opinions matter little when it comes to comparing facts.
You seem to know if i actually fly the ship or not even without having ever seen me in space... naive... very naive.
Now you seem to be a bit lost as how to fit a viable Blaster loadout... lets just say that Neutrons are your worst choice for several reasons.
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Think we should agree to disagree on this one
The only thing i can do in this forum is present you a valid loadout and the damage calculations assosiated with it.
Now if you still can't accept that "2+2=4" and not something else, that's yer problem.
**Pain is meant to be felt** |
Juan Andalusian
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Posted - 2004.12.17 14:21:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Little Bob
Juan as your pretty aware we both have different opinions on the mega and ravens,I test in space with all the guns eve has to offer so i know the best setup for my ship,You test with number calculations.
Opinions matter little when it comes to comparing facts.
You seem to know if i actually fly the ship or not even without having ever seen me in space... naive... very naive.
Now you seem to be a bit lost as how to fit a viable Blaster loadout... lets just say that Neutrons are your worst choice for several reasons.
Quote:
Think we should agree to disagree on this one
The only thing i can do in this forum is present you a valid loadout and the damage calculations assosiated with it.
Now if you still can't accept that "2+2=4" and not something else, that's yer problem.
**Pain is meant to be felt** |
Juan Andalusian
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Posted - 2004.12.17 14:23:00 -
[91]
Originally by: Pandora Panda
I've never fought against a mega with a large smartbomb (probably not a lot of people want to fly a setup that will die to a couple rifters)
This thread is full of gems.
**Pain is meant to be felt** |
Juan Andalusian
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Posted - 2004.12.17 14:23:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Pandora Panda
I've never fought against a mega with a large smartbomb (probably not a lot of people want to fly a setup that will die to a couple rifters)
This thread is full of gems.
**Pain is meant to be felt** |
Tar om
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Posted - 2004.12.17 14:36:00 -
[93]
Edited by: Tar om on 17/12/2004 14:37:26
SILENCE!!!!
Or I shall WTFPWNZ0R you ALL with my TEMPEST!
RAH!
Tar om
maybe
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Tar om
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Posted - 2004.12.17 14:36:00 -
[94]
Edited by: Tar om on 17/12/2004 14:37:26
SILENCE!!!!
Or I shall WTFPWNZ0R you ALL with my TEMPEST!
RAH!
Tar om
maybe
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Little Bob
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Posted - 2004.12.17 14:40:00 -
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Well there ya go qouting people again,
So your saying you may not even fly the ship yet you give out your expert opinion on a ship you may not even flyyou just get better and better
And as you brought up your awsome calculations again did you actually factor in the shield and recharge rate the Raven has using 5 pdu II's.
Na thought not.Oh and if you do want to try your fitting please mail me where and you can try it on me.
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Little Bob
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Posted - 2004.12.17 14:40:00 -
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Well there ya go qouting people again,
So your saying you may not even fly the ship yet you give out your expert opinion on a ship you may not even flyyou just get better and better
And as you brought up your awsome calculations again did you actually factor in the shield and recharge rate the Raven has using 5 pdu II's.
Na thought not.Oh and if you do want to try your fitting please mail me where and you can try it on me.
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Pandora Panda
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Posted - 2004.12.17 15:09:00 -
[97]
Edited by: Pandora Panda on 17/12/2004 15:11:20
Originally by: Juan Andalusian
This thread is full of gems.
When your drones are dead, so are you. Unless you log (which is something CCP goes out of their way to encourage). Originally by: Juan Andalusian
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Think we should agree to disagree on this one
The only thing i can do in this forum is present you a valid loadout and the damage calculations assosiated with it.
Now if you still can't accept that "2+2=4" and not something else, that's yer problem.
Your damage calculations are really rather useless when you ignore the range and the MWD-in time (which just got bigger thanks to the propulsion changes). Yes, if both ships are starting at 5k, I give the mega a 50/50 chance if its well flown with top-end loot, against a raven with mostly stock tech1 mods. If you want to MWD in from 20k and try to kill my raven, thank you in advance for your modules.
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Pandora Panda
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Posted - 2004.12.17 15:09:00 -
[98]
Edited by: Pandora Panda on 17/12/2004 15:11:20
Originally by: Juan Andalusian
This thread is full of gems.
When your drones are dead, so are you. Unless you log (which is something CCP goes out of their way to encourage). Originally by: Juan Andalusian
Quote:
Think we should agree to disagree on this one
The only thing i can do in this forum is present you a valid loadout and the damage calculations assosiated with it.
Now if you still can't accept that "2+2=4" and not something else, that's yer problem.
Your damage calculations are really rather useless when you ignore the range and the MWD-in time (which just got bigger thanks to the propulsion changes). Yes, if both ships are starting at 5k, I give the mega a 50/50 chance if its well flown with top-end loot, against a raven with mostly stock tech1 mods. If you want to MWD in from 20k and try to kill my raven, thank you in advance for your modules.
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Juan Andalusian
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Posted - 2004.12.17 15:12:00 -
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Originally by: Little Bob
So your saying you may not even fly the ship yet you give out your expert opinion on a ship you may not even flyyou just get better and better
You seem to know if i actually fly the ship or not even without having ever seen me in space... naive... very naive.
What part of that sentence did you not understand?
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And as you brought up your awsome calculations again did you actually factor in the shield and recharge rate the Raven has using 5 pdu II's.
Max skilled raven pilot with 5 PDU II:
Shield 7500 recharge 862.5... lets make it easier for you and assume an even distribution of recharge rate regardless of shield condition. That brings us to 8.7 hps/sec.
You sure tipped the scales there.
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Juan Andalusian
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Posted - 2004.12.17 15:12:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Little Bob
So your saying you may not even fly the ship yet you give out your expert opinion on a ship you may not even flyyou just get better and better
You seem to know if i actually fly the ship or not even without having ever seen me in space... naive... very naive.
What part of that sentence did you not understand?
Quote:
And as you brought up your awsome calculations again did you actually factor in the shield and recharge rate the Raven has using 5 pdu II's.
Max skilled raven pilot with 5 PDU II:
Shield 7500 recharge 862.5... lets make it easier for you and assume an even distribution of recharge rate regardless of shield condition. That brings us to 8.7 hps/sec.
You sure tipped the scales there.
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Muad 'dib
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Posted - 2004.12.17 16:14:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Juan Andalusian
Max skilled raven pilot with 5 PDU II:
Shield 7500 recharge 862.5... lets make it easier for you and assume an even distribution of recharge rate regardless of shield condition. That brings us to 8.7 hps/sec.
You sure tipped the scales there.
As per Pottsey's posts on passive shield tanking, thats more like 20 hps/sec on hardened shields more like 30+ hps/sec. Which is a nice lil bounus when you add the hardened LSB II boost . . so thats like 175+ effective boost per sec
/me goes and whacks 5 pdu II's, L shield xtndr, hardeners and LSB II on to his raven
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Muad 'dib
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Posted - 2004.12.17 16:14:00 -
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Originally by: Juan Andalusian
Max skilled raven pilot with 5 PDU II:
Shield 7500 recharge 862.5... lets make it easier for you and assume an even distribution of recharge rate regardless of shield condition. That brings us to 8.7 hps/sec.
You sure tipped the scales there.
As per Pottsey's posts on passive shield tanking, thats more like 20 hps/sec on hardened shields more like 30+ hps/sec. Which is a nice lil bounus when you add the hardened LSB II boost . . so thats like 175+ effective boost per sec
/me goes and whacks 5 pdu II's, L shield xtndr, hardeners and LSB II on to his raven
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Posted - 2004.12.17 16:28:00 -
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And here we are, at the end of page three, and still very little has been said about what is truely wrong with the balance between Raven and Megathron:
1. Raven is awesome against all kinds of ships
2. Megathron need to use condition specific setups to take on the Ravens multi-purpose setup.
So we have this about the Megathron:
* Return from specialization (in setup, not skills) is very poor
* Return from close combat setup in terms of damage and hit probability is extremely poor, when compared to that you loose an extreme amount of security and lots of range
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Posted - 2004.12.17 16:28:00 -
[104]
And here we are, at the end of page three, and still very little has been said about what is truely wrong with the balance between Raven and Megathron:
1. Raven is awesome against all kinds of ships
2. Megathron need to use condition specific setups to take on the Ravens multi-purpose setup.
So we have this about the Megathron:
* Return from specialization (in setup, not skills) is very poor
* Return from close combat setup in terms of damage and hit probability is extremely poor, when compared to that you loose an extreme amount of security and lots of range
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Pandora Panda
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Posted - 2004.12.17 16:32:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Ithildin
And here we are, at the end of page three, and still very little has been said about what is truely wrong with the balance between Raven and Megathron:
1. Raven is awesome against all kinds of ships
2. Megathron need to use condition specific setups to take on the Ravens multi-purpose setup.
So we have this about the Megathron:
* Return from specialization (in setup, not skills) is very poor
* Return from close combat setup in terms of damage and hit probability is extremely poor, when compared to that you loose an extreme amount of security and lots of range
I wasnt aware that that was the objective of this thread. I thought the objective was to come up with a megathron setup that would be effective against a raven.
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Pandora Panda
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Posted - 2004.12.17 16:32:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Ithildin
And here we are, at the end of page three, and still very little has been said about what is truely wrong with the balance between Raven and Megathron:
1. Raven is awesome against all kinds of ships
2. Megathron need to use condition specific setups to take on the Ravens multi-purpose setup.
So we have this about the Megathron:
* Return from specialization (in setup, not skills) is very poor
* Return from close combat setup in terms of damage and hit probability is extremely poor, when compared to that you loose an extreme amount of security and lots of range
I wasnt aware that that was the objective of this thread. I thought the objective was to come up with a megathron setup that would be effective against a raven.
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Rivek
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Posted - 2004.12.17 16:49:00 -
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Edited by: Rivek on 17/12/2004 16:52:24
Ithildin is right though.... why fly a blasterthron (or most gunships for that matter) when a raven can do the close range bs vs bs thing almost as well (if not better in some ppls eyes) and can obliterate any smaller ships with ease while ships like a megathron can hardly hit webbed frigs or unwebbed cruisers. Additionally, when you are stuck in a blasterthron 60k from a battle wondering how the heck your going to get into the fray in reasonable time, the raven sitting next to you is already firing torps or reloading with cruise. Given that your sacrificing so much versatility, range, and survivability with a blaster fitting for a mega, you would expect that it might do a bit better versus the most versitile (and in most ways powerful) ship in the game.. the raven.
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Rivek
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Posted - 2004.12.17 16:49:00 -
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Edited by: Rivek on 17/12/2004 16:52:24
Ithildin is right though.... why fly a blasterthron (or most gunships for that matter) when a raven can do the close range bs vs bs thing almost as well (if not better in some ppls eyes) and can obliterate any smaller ships with ease while ships like a megathron can hardly hit webbed frigs or unwebbed cruisers. Additionally, when you are stuck in a blasterthron 60k from a battle wondering how the heck your going to get into the fray in reasonable time, the raven sitting next to you is already firing torps or reloading with cruise. Given that your sacrificing so much versatility, range, and survivability with a blaster fitting for a mega, you would expect that it might do a bit better versus the most versitile (and in most ways powerful) ship in the game.. the raven.
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Little Bob
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Posted - 2004.12.17 18:04:00 -
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Guys please dont even try to say the megathron is not good enough otherwise Juan will own you with his 2+2=4 calculations.
BTW im still waiting for your mail on where we should meet to fight if your setup is so good.
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Little Bob
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Posted - 2004.12.17 18:04:00 -
[110]
Guys please dont even try to say the megathron is not good enough otherwise Juan will own you with his 2+2=4 calculations.
BTW im still waiting for your mail on where we should meet to fight if your setup is so good.
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Destroyer Draxx
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Posted - 2004.12.17 21:01:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Juan Andalusian
Originally by: Pandora Panda
I've never fought against a mega with a large smartbomb (probably not a lot of people want to fly a setup that will die to a couple rifters)
This thread is full of gems.
Ok Don Juan u certainly have a way with words. Ur setup will kill a raven poorly fitted. U killed a raven or 2 or maybe even more in what 0.4-0.1 sec rating. Have u tried ur setup with big alliance raven boys? U might find one or 2 that r poorly fitted there as well, but the majority of ravens will woop ur cute little ass. From previous conversation get a hint 20mil sp....(above 19 mil sp clones were introduced with shiva what does that tell u???)
btw I ll wtfpwn everything u throw at me with my setup (which just happens to be the most advertised forum setup)
cause one I was sitting in a 0.4 system g8 some poor noob jumped in n I managed to kill him. Therefore I can kill all that moves.
PS : Does ur Mega setup work for npcing as well
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Destroyer Draxx
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Posted - 2004.12.17 21:01:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Juan Andalusian
Originally by: Pandora Panda
I've never fought against a mega with a large smartbomb (probably not a lot of people want to fly a setup that will die to a couple rifters)
This thread is full of gems.
Ok Don Juan u certainly have a way with words. Ur setup will kill a raven poorly fitted. U killed a raven or 2 or maybe even more in what 0.4-0.1 sec rating. Have u tried ur setup with big alliance raven boys? U might find one or 2 that r poorly fitted there as well, but the majority of ravens will woop ur cute little ass. From previous conversation get a hint 20mil sp....(above 19 mil sp clones were introduced with shiva what does that tell u???)
btw I ll wtfpwn everything u throw at me with my setup (which just happens to be the most advertised forum setup)
cause one I was sitting in a 0.4 system g8 some poor noob jumped in n I managed to kill him. Therefore I can kill all that moves.
PS : Does ur Mega setup work for npcing as well
So Far So Good....So What |
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