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Kirsi Kirjasto
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Posted - 2010.06.28 06:54:00 -
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I am interested in scanning down mission runners, tricking them into shooting at me/stealing from me in a noobship, and then blowing them up or ransoming them. I've blown up some Dominixes in a Hurricane, but I don't want to come up short when a valuable 1 Billion ISK + target makes a mistake.
What are some good Minmitar BS fits that can take down faction fit/faction/Marauder mission runners SOLO? Plated Torp Typhoon + neuts and Boosters? AC Tempest with nuets, Boosters and Armor Buffer? Seems the Maelstrom wouldn't really be ideal for this role, with its active tank.
Lets see your fits and new ideas are welcome. Miners are getting ganked left and right, mission runners shouldn't be too safe either.
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Cynosural Sari
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Posted - 2010.06.28 08:11:00 -
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Well,
I've found the Typhoon works well. Torps, Nuets, Plate it up, don't forget the Ogre II's and the Boosters, then tear em a new one. Disruptor, Web, Booster, Afterburner. Just don't go too crazy on the plates, in case you have to get into Web Range. Faction Webs help for this.
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Slimy Worm
Sons of Viagra
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Posted - 2010.06.28 09:04:00 -
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Edited by: Slimy Worm on 28/06/2010 09:10:01
Originally by: Cynosural Sari Well,
I've found the Typhoon works well. Torps, Nuets, Plate it up, don't forget the Ogre II's and the Boosters, then tear em a new one. Disruptor, Web, Booster, Afterburner. Just don't go too crazy on the plates, in case you have to get into Web Range. Faction Webs help for this.
Plated Tpyphoons are too slow if they're not within disruptor range when you warp in. Even with neuts, you can run a large armor repper pretty well with a cap booster. Put on one 1600mm to be safe anyway but don't use any trimarks. You'll probably need to use arbalest launchers instead of t2 to fit a large armor repper but the extra speed is worth it.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Reckoning.
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Posted - 2010.06.28 09:16:00 -
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Originally by: Kirsi Kirjasto I am interested in scanning down mission runners, tricking them into shooting at me/stealing from me in a noobship, and then blowing them up or ransoming them. I've blown up some Dominixes in a Hurricane, but I don't want to come up short when a valuable 1 Billion ISK + target makes a mistake.
What are some good Minmitar BS fits that can take down faction fit/faction/Marauder mission runners SOLO? Plated Torp Typhoon + neuts and Boosters? AC Tempest with nuets, Boosters and Armor Buffer? Seems the Maelstrom wouldn't really be ideal for this role, with its active tank.
Lets see your fits and new ideas are welcome. Miners are getting ganked left and right, mission runners shouldn't be too safe either.
Mission ships generally have ****tacular DPS and a flimsy active tank. As such, you'll pretty much crap on them in anything that has neuts.
I'd actually go for an active tank. He won't have neuts, and his DPS will be low enough that you can likely tank most or all of it.
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Pookie McPook
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Posted - 2010.06.28 11:14:00 -
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Originally by: Kirsi Kirjasto I am interested in scanning down mission runners, tricking them into shooting at me/stealing from me in a noobship
What are some good Minmitar BS fits that can take down faction fit/faction/Marauder mission runners SOLO?
What makes you think that someone who flies faction on missions could allow themselves to be "tricked" by you? -----
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Bel'shamharoth
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2010.06.28 15:13:00 -
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Originally by: Pookie McPook
What makes you think that someone who flies faction on missions could allow themselves to be "tricked" by you?
I'd like to direct your attention to the TEARS KB: http://tears.evekb.co.uk/
Specifically, the 3.44 Billion CNR, the 2.65 Machariel, the 2.15 CNR, the 2.07 Nightmare, and the 1.95 Loki. These are just the 5 highest in June alone.
In the vernacular of the uncouth and uneducated, "You got told!"
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Lhakshi
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Posted - 2010.06.28 15:29:00 -
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This should really be in the warfare and tactics forum I saw over there, I think. *wanders off*
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Jabru
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.06.28 15:39:00 -
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something like this perhaps if a played typhoon is to slow? This fit is more suited to turrent boats
[Tempest, anti mission runner] Large Armor Repairer II Gyrostabilizer II Damage Control II Armor Thermic Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Overdrive Injector System II
100MN Afterburner I Warp Disruptor II Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 25 Stasis Webifier II / SeBo / ECM /what ever / TD Tracking Disruptor II, Tracking Speed Disruption
800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L Heavy Energy Neutralizer I Medium Energy Neutralizer II
Large Engine Thermal Shielding I Large Auxiliary Thrusters I Large Auxiliary Thrusters I and drones to taste
Warp in overheat AB to them turn on E-War and dps ???? Profit
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Pookie McPook
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Posted - 2010.06.28 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: Bel'shamharoth
Originally by: Pookie McPook
What makes you think that someone who flies faction on missions could allow themselves to be "tricked" by you?
I'd like to direct your attention to the TEARS KB: http://tears.evekb.co.uk/
Specifically, the 3.44 Billion CNR, the 2.65 Machariel, the 2.15 CNR, the 2.07 Nightmare, and the 1.95 Loki. These are just the 5 highest in June alone.
In the vernacular of the uncouth and uneducated, "You got told!"
Well I guess there's one born every minute. -----
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Ankbar
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Posted - 2010.06.28 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: Lhakshi This should really be in the warfare and tactics forum I saw over there, I think. *wanders off*
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stoicfaux
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Posted - 2010.06.28 16:30:00 -
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Originally by: Pookie McPook
Well I guess there's one born every minute.
Yes, but you still need to wait one to sixteen weeks for them to finish training the learning skills.
----- "Are you a sociopathic paranoid schizophrenic with accounting skills? We have the game for you! -- Eve, the game of Alts, Economics, Machiavelli, and PvP"
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JordanParey
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2010.06.29 00:22:00 -
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You'll need some good fitting skills to use this, but..
this is my fit for this purpose:
[Typhoon, Hollowpoint]
5x Siege Missile Launcher II 2x Heavy Unstable Power fluctuator 1x Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator
Mids: Heavy Electrochemical Cap Booster, Cap Booster 800 100MN Afterburner II Warp Disruptor II PWNAGE target painter
Lows: 2x Corpii C-Type Adaptive Nano Plating 1x Damage Control 1x 1600mm RRT plate 3x Ballistic Control System II
Rigs: 3x Trimark Armor Pump
Drones: Dependent on rat type.
Does a fair bit of DPS if you have a flight of heavies and two flights of Warrior IIs for drone-killing.
19,000 armor hitpoints :D
JordanParey Recruitment Director Suddenly Ninjas/TEARS [i]2000 B.C. - "Here, eat this root." 1000 B.C. - "That root is heathen, say this prayer." 1850 A.D. - "That prayer is superstition, drink this potion." 1940 A.D. - "That potion is snake oil, sw |
Misanthra
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Posted - 2010.06.29 01:13:00 -
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Edited by: Misanthra on 29/06/2010 01:15:24
Originally by: Pookie McPook
Well I guess there's one born every minute.
They get a mega tanking ship that takes on 4 NPC bs 5 NPC dessies and 10 NPC frigates and get inflated egos lol. Most learn after first time...rat dps and player dps are different animals entirely lol. Also most don't realize if out hunting and they see a mission runner/ratter taking on say blood rats...attackers job is much easier since they know your resists without even scanning. Change ammo to exp/kin and eat up the pve tank.
Got me a decent ratting raven...still safe up when neuts come in system. No delusions of grandeur about a pve raven versus a pvp cynobal lol.
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Nons Mom
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Posted - 2010.06.29 01:35:00 -
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Originally by: JordanParey You'll need some good fitting skills to use this, but..
this is my fit for this purpose:
[Typhoon, Hollowpoint]
5x Siege Missile Launcher II 2x Heavy Unstable Power fluctuator 1x Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator
Mids: Heavy Electrochemical Cap Booster, Cap Booster 800 100MN Afterburner II Warp Disruptor II PWNAGE target painter
Lows: 2x Corpii C-Type Adaptive Nano Plating 1x Damage Control 1x 1600mm RRT plate 3x Ballistic Control System II
Rigs: 3x Trimark Armor Pump
Drones: Dependent on rat type.
Does a fair bit of DPS if you have a flight of heavies and two flights of Warrior IIs for drone-killing.
19,000 armor hitpoints :D
JordanParey Recruitment Director Suddenly Ninjas/TEARS
I'm not sure why you have the cap booster in there with the buffer tank, it doesnt look that needed. What's your reasoning for that? perma-running everything?
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JordanParey
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2010.06.29 09:58:00 -
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...you didn't notice the neuts there? that's what the Cap Booster is for.. to keep the neuts running. Best way to kill most mission running battleships is to neut them to death. [i]2000 B.C. - "Here, eat this root." 1000 B.C. - "That root is heathen, say this prayer." 1850 A.D. - "That prayer is superstition, drink this potion." 1940 A.D. - "That potion is snake oil, sw |
Kobe Sun
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Posted - 2010.06.29 15:07:00 -
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pardon me for being slightly off topic but what's the best ship/setup (any faction) to counter ambush a carebear ganker while running a L4 Min mission at the same time? |
Chai N'Dorr
Rumrunner Logistics
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Posted - 2010.06.29 15:17:00 -
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Originally by: Kobe Sun pardon me for being slightly off topic but what's the best ship/setup (any faction) to counter ambush a carebear ganker while running a L4 Min mission at the same time?
You cannot counter an ambush gank squad that wants you dead.
Counter against a normal 'ganker': ignore him. _
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Jita Jenn
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Posted - 2010.06.29 15:28:00 -
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C&P-->
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Seriously Bored
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.06.29 15:30:00 -
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I'm more carebear than not myself, but I think if you can trick a missioner into combat in hisec then they deserve to have their shiny ship turn into a blue flash.
I saw this on BC (I know, BC is trash, usual rabble), but this impressed the hell out of me. It's a Cyclone, so 95% of everyone out there thinks they'd be able to whup it in a fight. And the poster has quite the kill count of expensive ships because of that.
[Cyclone, Capnapper Griefer] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Power Diagnostic System II Damage Control II
Invulnerability Field II Warp Disruptor II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II 10MN Afterburner II
425mm AutoCannon II 425mm AutoCannon II 425mm AutoCannon II 425mm AutoCannon II 425mm AutoCannon II Medium Energy Neutralizer II Medium Energy Neutralizer II Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Egress Port Maximizer I Medium Egress Port Maximizer I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Infiltrator EV-600
Link to the fit. Cap stable with the neuts on, which is why it's so lethal against carebear fits. It's really quite brilliant, in my opinion.
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Nons Mom
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Posted - 2010.06.29 15:44:00 -
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Originally by: JordanParey ...you didn't notice the neuts there? that's what the Cap Booster is for.. to keep the neuts running. Best way to kill most mission running battleships is to neut them to death.
Well my reasoning is that once you drained them completely dry with the heavy neuts, you can switch them off and use the med neut to keep them dry. With just the heavy neuts off, you would still have over 8 mins (lvl V skills) of cap which is more than enough to pop the MRs. (If they have a cap booster, now thats a different story altogether.)
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Seriously Bored
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.06.29 19:35:00 -
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Originally by: Nons Mom How is that cap stable? I put it on EFT myself and I don't see any cap stability unless you throw in a nos.
Shame on me for not double checking the stats before posting. (Also shame on me for doing this stuff while at work, but whatever.)
The fit I posted is changed from what I first found interesting. He had CCCs for his rigs originally, which let the ship run two Medium Neuts, and the AB permanently, and the third Neut for 4 minutes.
The rigs in what I copied and pasted give the ship 3k more EHP, but at the loss of running the Neuts for any sustained period of time. He seemed to have crumpled under the tide of "CCCs are phail PVP" comments, despite his killmails. Or perhaps there was a better reason.
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Solomar Espersei
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2010.06.29 19:40:00 -
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Even after all these months of ninjaing a I'm still amazed at the dudes who shoot. Many of them are far too overconfident in their deadspace tanks. That 3 bil CNR was smacking me in local 'til I landed on him w/ the gank ship.
@ OP, Torp/Neut Phoon all the way, Jordan's fit is a fine place to start. A well skilled Cane can take out all but the most blinged of MR ships. Just switch to a different ship for the obvious bling ships.
@ Srsly bored, big fan of your BC fits. Nice work. I like that Cyclone fit, might have a go with it at some point. A similar fit on a Cane would likely be better, but the Cyclone gets no respect so she might be fun.
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Joe Starbreaker
M. Corp
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Posted - 2010.06.29 20:07:00 -
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Originally by: Kobe Sun pardon me for being slightly off topic but what's the best ship/setup (any faction) to counter ambush a carebear ganker while running a L4 Min mission at the same time?
The ninja is going to have a pure PVP fit, and you're going to be tanking the entire rat spawn. This is a situation made of fail. The way you change it around is, when the ninja warps away to switch ships, you warp away and switch ships, too. Ideally your PVP-fit ship will be another version of the same ship you're currently using - so the ninja won't realize there's been a switch.
If you're lucky, the ninja will warp into the mission just before you do, with time to catch all rat aggression but not enough time to warp away before you arrive and tackle him.
Bottom line: don't be lazy and expect one ship to fend off the rats and the players at once. Be more crafty than the ninja.
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CCP Zymurgist
Gallente C C P
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Posted - 2010.06.29 20:10:00 -
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Looks like you have gotten some awesome replies from the Mission and Complexes forum but I am moving this to the Warfare and Tactics forum for some more great advice!
Zymurgist Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online Contact Us |
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Reckoning.
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Posted - 2010.06.29 20:55:00 -
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Quote: Cap stable with the neuts on, which is why it's so lethal against carebear fits. It's really quite brilliant, in my opinion.
Who cares if it's cap stable? It's not an active tank so you'll explode eventually anyway under sustained fire.
Quote: Even after all these months of ninjaing a I'm still amazed at the dudes who shoot. Many of them are far too overconfident in their deadspace tanks. That 3 bil CNR was smacking me in local 'til I landed on him w/ the gank ship.
It can be done. You can't be tanking the entire rat spawn and you have to be in a PVP ship of your own, but it can be done. Certain Ishtar fits can do it, for example.
...However, even then you're facing off against a PVP ship in your own PVP ship, probably tanking some of the rats. If you want to countergank, bring friends.
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Kirsi Kirjasto
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Posted - 2010.07.01 05:48:00 -
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Hey, thanks for all the replys - was out of town for a few days. Sucks that this got moved...I thought the best place for this topic was in the Missions forums - where all the mission bears could see it. They'll never see it here in W and T.
Lame
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Bomberlocks
Minmatar CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2010.07.01 09:42:00 -
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Originally by: Kahega Amielden
Quote: Cap stable with the neuts on, which is why it's so lethal against carebear fits. It's really quite brilliant, in my opinion.
Who cares if it's cap stable? It's not an active tank so you'll explode eventually anyway under sustained fire.
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The idea of that fit (the original one) was to orbit the target at 500 meters. A BS can't track a BC at that range, even if the BC is webbed. Would of course fail against an active tank Raven/CNR/Golem, but should work well against Amarr/Minnie/Gallente BSs, with the exception of a missioning running cruise phoon.
Apart from that I have to echo Seriously Bored's continued astonishment at people who aggress ninjas and then bleet like stuck pigs on the forums when their multi billion MS bling goes poof.
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Jared Noah
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Posted - 2010.07.01 23:50:00 -
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Yo,
I only have experiance in killing wts with a prober alt, but i find the hurricane(220s + 2 Medium neuts + armor tank) to work very well. Just need to remember that missioners die crazy fast with their large resist holes. Only ship ive ever had a problem with was a rattler and even then, thats what friends are for.
Typhoon rocks too though.
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Xzar Fyrarr
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2010.07.02 04:28:00 -
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The Torp Phoon I used to use consisted of
Highs - Torps Nuets
Mids - Web Disrupter Afterburner Injector
Lows - LAR ll -sometimes x2 depending on how many I was fitting- 2x BCU Plate, EANM
Rigs -> Torp Damage Rigs/Rate of Fire rigs.
Kill them before I was killed. Insane amount of DPS for any ship to tank. Taking on multiple ships -> Force one to warp out and go back to the primary objective.
I don't remember the exact layout but something along those lines. Tanked decently , albeit i did have prior knowledge of what exactly the mission runner[s] had fitted before hand therefor giving me a ridiculously huge advantage.
Recently, I've adopted the Hurricane. Haven't gotten anything to bite yet but I'm confident in the Hurricanes Imperial Star Destroyer abilities.
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Xzar Fyrarr
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2010.07.02 04:36:00 -
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Edited by: Xzar Fyrarr on 02/07/2010 04:43:34
Originally by: Joe Starbreaker
Originally by: Kobe Sun pardon me for being slightly off topic but what's the best ship/setup (any faction) to counter ambush a carebear ganker while running a L4 Min mission at the same time?
The ninja is going to have a pure PVP fit, and you're going to be tanking the entire rat spawn. This is a situation made of fail. The way you change it around is, when the ninja warps away to switch ships, you warp away and switch ships, too. Ideally your PVP-fit ship will be another version of the same ship you're currently using - so the ninja won't realize there's been a switch.
If you're lucky, the ninja will warp into the mission just before you do, with time to catch all rat aggression but not enough time to warp away before you arrive and tackle him.
Bottom line: don't be lazy and expect one ship to fend off the rats and the players at once. Be more crafty than the ninja.
I have had this happen to me a few times. Does make for a challenge. But tbh, I usually make an SS a couple thousand KM away from the mission. Warp2the safe spot in the gankship to see if he's there etc etc, bought friends etc etc. Analyze the situation from there and see what can be done.
One does not outsmart a ninja xP ...often.
Hurricane Fit [ -=SoundWave=- Anti Mission Runner ]
Highs 6x 220 ll 2x Nuets.
Mids AB Disrupter Web Injector
Low
Gyro ll Eanm ll x2 MAR ll DCU ll Plate of some kind
Rigs -> Damage Rigs
Drones - Warrior ll x6
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