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Cheiftan
Minmatar
Shinryaku
Annwn Matari
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Posted - 2010.06.30 00:02:00 -
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*Rolls Eyes*
I believe what you are looking for is this Miss Star Sparrow...
But I am Curious jade dose this not make Sani Sabik "slaver Apologists" or am I missing something, just a civilised question , which I think deserves a semi civil answer.
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Cheiftan
Minmatar
Shinryaku
Annwn Matari
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Posted - 2010.06.30 12:23:00 -
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Well Miss Constantine...
Firstly thank you for your honest and quite direct answer to my question, however i do have more that i wish to ask to Revan and yourself on this matter.
First one is aimed at you jade, I understand from Star Fraction policy you do not have say on the actions of other entities and I would like to make clear I make no assumption of this howeverà
Despite the poetic justice of Amarraians being enslaved do you not feel it is counter productive to overall cause, I have never supported slavery by far I have always opposed it, however do you not feel from these actions we are going from one form of slavery to another?
And a second question to you jade is, do you agree that the recent nation invasion is a problem that we all face and should face together?
I ask this because while I see the poetic justice in this I am all out against such actions, we face the fight of not only freedom but free will and killing people who oppose the Sansha is very counter productive, however I do take note of you actions against nation supporting Corporations.
Now for Miss Revan, if you are actively declaring war on people who fight the nation then why focus on the Amarrians rather than attack all entities, are these actions in aid of the Sansha or a jab at the Amarrians?
Either way if it is true and you no longer support slavery then is it not also a bad idea to work in aid of an entity that is hell-bent on the absolute Assimilation of all free peoples and slaves alike?
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Cheiftan
Minmatar
Shinryaku
Annwn Matari
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Posted - 2010.06.30 12:30:00 -
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On a side note i would ask for evidence of where Annwn Matari have betrayed the Minmatar people, no we do not support Shakkor and his ominous silence.
However we have never taken any actions, that I know of that have actively harmed the Minmatar people, on the contrary we have aided them, while our patience with shakkor is wearing thin, our hearts are open to all our brothers and sisters, for we are all in the same boat.
Their fore when I say this I am not avoiding or wriggling from the said question.
We have not betrayed the Minmatar people and therefore that question should be re phrased or removed
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Cheiftan
Minmatar
Shinryaku
Annwn Matari
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Posted - 2010.06.30 13:20:00 -
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First I should say for the sake of clarity that I have never believed your personal claims on opposition to Slavery. You fought for I-RED
What you feel of me is irrelevant with on offence intended by this statement during my time with I-RED their was allot of political reform that meant that liberated slaves would be freed and sent back to their familyÆs.
My failure was the inability to create slave free zones in providenceà
But my failure as a diplomat is again irrelevant.
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No. I will not defend the Amarrian Empire against an entity that it encouraged and empowered and shares many of the same cultural forms and intrinsic ideals. I consider a weakened Amarrian Empire is the best thing we can hope from recent Nation intervention.
I believe you have miss understood me here, I am asking weather you feel taking action against people who are defending the amarr empire is wrong given the fact that they are defending empire in general and not one specific race.
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And you are claiming what? That slaves of the Amarrian Empire retain their "free will?" That the glaive and vitoc infection encourage independent thought? That transcraniel microcontrollers are somehow different from Sansha implants? That religious brainwashing is different from cult brainwashing?
No, I make no such claim however I argue that, people who come from the shadows steal you children your brothers your sisters and your parents before disappearing again and knowing that they face nothing but a lobotomy is a sad thought.
However I acknowledge and accept this point
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Cheiftan
Minmatar
Shinryaku
Annwn Matari
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Posted - 2010.06.30 14:34:00 -
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Well we (Star Fraction) are against you Eran Mintor. Your organization is one we consider to be rife with Matari Race-traitors and turncoats. Annwn Matari is no friend of the Star Fraction and as a -10 entity you will be annihilated at any time or place of our convenience. If you wish to claim this makes us friends of the Nation that simply diplays the transparency of the manipulations you have placed in the public domain.
*Chuckles*
Well looks like the garbage is being thrown around now, interesting how we are all amarraian sympathisers without any proof or knowledge of the facts at hand.
Well enough questions have been asked here now jade, as far as I see things we are only blood traitors in your eyes because we oppose you.
But to be honest none of us have asked to be your friend, we donÆt care for someone who will stab us in the back once the mutual enemy is gone, or one who accuses us of seeing things in black and white yet are the ones that cannot see the forest around the tree.
Enjoy your blood lusted murderous genocide Jade.
* Closes the comm link *
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Cheiftan
Minmatar
Shinryaku
Annwn Matari
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Posted - 2010.06.30 16:26:00 -
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* Re-establishes link *
Hmmm such divine self righteousness that you cannot answer my completely legitimate and fair question.
But what do I know revan in your eyes IÆm dim
But donÆt worry your pretty little head with me Revan under Star fraction logic you fall under the ôSlaver Apologistö category for aiding the Sansha, so feel free to bounce questions away from yourself I see the truth like many doà
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Cheiftan
Minmatar
Shinryaku
Annwn Matari
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Posted - 2010.06.30 16:53:00 -
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I sugest you look in a mirror.
Hypocrisy and stupidity walk hand in hand
* Smirks and closes comm link *
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Cheiftan
Minmatar
Shinryaku
Annwn Matari
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Posted - 2010.07.02 23:00:00 -
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Edited by: Cheiftan on 02/07/2010 23:00:21
Just thought ide stop by to cite some sources, make of them what you will.
I-RED's stance on slavery
Specifically this:
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We are here to clarify that Ishukone-Raata operations do not involve itself in the inner-workings of the Amarr political influences anymore
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our organization has never permitted the dishonorable use of slaves
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while we conduct trade in there space we do not political back them with their religions claims and beliefs. While we will still assist certain corporations that operate within the Amarr Empire's it will solely be to assist against Piracy, not political enemies of the Empire itself.
This Clarification states the following:
* The use of slave labour and or owning slaves is prohibited under I-RED regulations.
* I-RED no longer involves itself in the political affairs of the amarr empire
* I-RED will not attack the political enemyÆs of the Empire, unless they are also known pirates.
IÆm not 100% sure but I do believe a reset of standings was issued when I-RED left providence, at this point I was in the TLF and received very little news on the inner workings of the I-RED government.
However it is also important to note that I-REDÆs policy on holding or the use of slaves hasnÆt wavered, this I am sure of as one of the first members of I-RED and one of the original members or the I-RED electoral Government system.
Another accusation is that I-RED are holding back their public denunciations of CVA as they are allegedly waiting for CVA to reclaim space and thus will take their place as holders, this is also not true with proof cited here.
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We will not be assisting in Anti-Piracy Operations in the Providence Region to either aid Ushra-Khan or CVA
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We never plan on moving to Providence under CVA or Ushra'Khan's Occupancy, if we do it will be under our own weight.
While I find the above two a little hazy, I will assume what John is saying is that, the have no intention on going back to providence under either entities jurisdiction (may be wrong word to use).
Here are the press releases and comments that I have dug up, this will be my last transmission here and so if you would like to reach me please feel free to contact me via a private communications link.
All I have to say is, that I have no put forward the facts of the matter and the stance, weather this is to your liking is none of my concern, however I have other matters to attend to and donÆt have time to see the same point repeated over and over on multiple summits.
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