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Merdaneth
Amarr
Angel Wing.
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Posted - 2010.06.30 17:25:00 -
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 Originally by: Revan Neferis
Your brilliant argument clearly shows what I have been repeating here: The fact that you have one brain cell, and it is fighting for dominance.
Don't let it tire you too much.
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Merdaneth
Amarr
Angel Wing.
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Posted - 2010.07.02 17:01:00 -
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Merdaneth
Amarr
Angel Wing.
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Posted - 2010.07.03 08:57:00 -
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Originally by: The Cosmopolite
So you're essentially admitting to being a standings enclosurist while completely ignoring the facts:
Cosmopolite, I thought standings enclosurist was when you try to enforce your own standings upon other organizations. I see the FIA just setting its own standings. FIA is setting SF to red because SF is allied with an organization that supports the Sansha attacks.
What is 'standings enclosurist' about that? I don't see any coercion going on, no demands have been made by the FIA, do you see any?
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Amarr
Angel Wing.
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Posted - 2010.07.03 09:05:00 -
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Originally by: The Cosmopolite
Jade Constantine ultimately opposes the republican mode of government. I oppose the republican mode of government. It doesn't make us enemies of the Minmatar people. No more than it makes those members of the Ushra'Khan and other freedom fighters who have opposed and still oppose the republican mode of government enemies of the Minmatar people.
So, you are friends of the Minmatar people, but enemies (or at least opposing) the Minmatar Republic?
Is it fair to say that you are also friends of the Amarr people, but enemies of the Amarr Empire?
I wonder if Star Fraction would consider itself a friend of the Minmatar Militia, since that organization is a direct extension of the Republic they say to oppose? Is it fair to say that Star Fraction is a friend of some organizations and people within the Minmatar Militia, but opposes the Minmatar Militia as a whole (for being a Republic led organization)?
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Amarr
Angel Wing.
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Posted - 2010.07.03 10:31:00 -
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Originally by: The Cosmopolite
They are setting us red because we have a particular capsuleer organization set blue, rather than for a reason specific to actions taken by us and, to emphasise this point, they tell us that we will be red for so long as we have a particular class of organization set blue.
I clearly remember Star Fraction setting Angel Wing to red not because of any action taken against the Fraction, but merely because of Angel Wing's association with the 24th Crusade and its CEO's apparent support of the Amarr Empire. I've also been made clear by Star Fraction that unless I renounce my support and leave the Crusade, Angel Wing will remain red without the option of diplomacy. Perhaps you could explain to me why that is not standings enclosurism but the FIA's declaration is?
Originally by: The Cosmopolite
That is standings enclosurism pure and simple. They are trying to dictate to us who we should have set blue and who we should not have set blue.
Honestly, this is solely your perception. I don't see any sort of attempt at dictation. It seems to be a simple question of: If you are supporting our enemy we consider you an enemy too. I see it more as a form of diplomatic reductionism quite common among capsuleers. I see no demands to break ties, no ultimatums were given where the SF is asked to denounce in specific terms its support for the Sansha capsuleer movement in any way. From my understanding, your definition of what is 'dictating' and what not was quite a bit more restrictive in the past. Has, in your perception, the Fraction ever tried to dictate standings to other organizations in a similar manner?
Originally by: The Cosmopolite
Incidentally, don't think I am granting your claim that 'SF is allied with an organization that supports the Sansha attacks'. That claim is totally bogus. The Final Stand alliance has not supported the Sansha's Nation incursions.
Mr. Cosmopolite, your own Star Fraction policy clearly states that any pilot of a capsuleer organization (and the organization itself) is held responsible for all the actions of all the other pilots belonging to that organization, unless the organization takes action to disavow the actions and statements of that particular pilot. The Final Stand has a pilot stating to support the Nation, and this is not some junior pilot, but one quite powerful and influential. Hence according to Star Fraction policy, the Final Stand is seen as supporting the Nation.
I might have misunderstood Star Fraction policy due to my penchant for taking your policies somewhat literal. Perhaps you could point out the nuances I've obviously missed?
For the record, I believe the Star Fraction opposes the Sansha Incursions, is not willing to support them directly in any way, and ideologically opposes them. Due to direct Star Fraction support for some Sansha adherents, they are aiding the Sansha effort indirectly though. That is fact.
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