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Gillgar
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Posted - 2010.06.29 02:37:00 -
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Not sore if anyone else thinks this but it is pain to set all the extractors on all my planets so what i was thinking was if you could multi select all the extractors that are lifting the same resource and set them all at the same time rather than one at a time. what do you think?
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Jin Labarre
Gallente Madhatters Inc.
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Posted - 2010.06.29 10:35:00 -
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It is meant to be a pain. You can choose between easy maintenance and maximum output. If you want maximum output, you need to babysit your facilities and invest time doing so. Also makes it harder for macros.
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Maxsim Goratiev
Imperial Tau Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.06.29 12:11:00 -
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Quote: It is meant to be a pain
what is a that videogame for, dad? TO bring you PAIN!
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James Rehnold
Amarr Expense Solutions OUTER-HEAVEN
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Posted - 2010.06.29 12:44:00 -
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Originally by: Jin Labarre It is meant to be a pain. You can choose between easy maintenance and maximum output. If you want maximum output, you need to babysit your facilities and invest time doing so. Also makes it harder for macros.
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Jada Maroo
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Posted - 2010.06.29 12:47:00 -
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Originally by: Jin Labarre It is meant to be a pain.
Jesus what are you, some sort of gaming masochist?
EVE: "Click, slave! *Whip whip* CLICK UNTIL YOUR FINGERS BLEED!"
You: "Yes Mistress EVE! Make me! Make me click more!"
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SupaKudoRio
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Posted - 2010.06.29 13:18:00 -
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Edited by: SupaKudoRio on 29/06/2010 13:18:46
Originally by: Jin Labarre It is meant to be a pain. You can choose between easy maintenance and maximum output. If you want maximum output, you need to babysit your facilities and invest time doing so. Also makes it harder for macros.
Correction; it encourages macros.
Requiring several more clicks DOES NOT MAKE IT HARDER FOR MACROS. I could sit down for half an hour or so and make one to cycle all my extractors if I chose to. It really is just that easy. And it would probably save me from contracting RSI.
Edit: _
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Seamus Donohue
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Posted - 2010.06.29 13:24:00 -
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Supported.
Either get rid of multiple deposit choices and let extractors auto-cycle, or allow us to issue mass-orders to all extractors simultaneously. __________________________________________________ Survivor of Teskanen, fan of John Rourke. |
crossless
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Posted - 2010.06.29 13:48:00 -
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I Have 5 planets and 10 or so extractors on ea one. its a pain in the ass to do it and i know other people that feel the same way. It would be much easier to multi select them all and set them at the sane time so id definitely support your idea. big thumbs up to it
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Mystery Assassin
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Posted - 2010.06.29 16:14:00 -
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Edited by: Mystery Assassin on 29/06/2010 16:14:28 Please!!!! RSI..its killing to many clicks.
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Ivorr Bigun
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Posted - 2010.06.29 17:03:00 -
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Ill go one further in terms of CSM dsicussion on this matter:
PI needs:
select all route all link all extract all choose cycle all install all
plus ctrl click/shift click options to select multiples.
I believe the outcome of not addressing these changes will be rampant devaluation of ISK, and in terms of keeping players or encouraging new players rampant ISK devaluation is not good.
Originally by: CCP Shadow bodily fluid
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Wyke Mossari
Staner Industries
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Posted - 2010.06.29 17:31:00 -
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Mindless repetitive clicking is tedious, boring and ultimately counter productive as the limiting factor. It will just attract macros that squeeze out real players.
Eve is fundamentally a strategy game, not some mindless twitch fest. Therefore the difficulty and challenge in PI should be in devising successful strategies of production and competing with other players and not some torturous ordeal by mouse.
I support attention/action on this issue, however I'm not keen on grouping.
I think a more dynamic approach that relies and thinking and less on mundane repetitive clicking.
I think the best option would be to change the way extractors work and make them much more like processors. They are started and they automatically continue. Players attend them, review and tune them on an on going but ad-hoc basis. They start at the best extraction rate, but over time their extraction rate deteriorates. This would be in line with the current extraction cycles rates. So for example: They start at the top rate for 30 mins, drop to the second rate for 5 hours, then the 23 hour rate and finally the 96 hour rate. A player can attend to them and resurvey at the top rate but that is entirely optional.
Technically this should be quite easy to implement, especially compared to UI changes needed for grouping.
At a later stage the ability to vary the production up or down by running missions, a little like with Research Points and entirely optional, but necessary for the most efficient production.
e.g.
Foreman: "The machinery is worn out. We need mechanical parts to fix it and get it back to 100% efficiency" Extractor efficiency reduced by 10% until until supplied.
Foreman: "The workers are unhappy at being on this forgotten forsake rock and production is suffering (-10% etc). If you supply "Tabacco|Spirit|Dancing Girls" I'm sure their moral will improve.
Have some 'missions' that fix reduced efficiency and some that boost efficiency.
Foreman: "The machinery is badly designed. We can modify it with X units of robotics and get it upto 110% efficiency"
Foreman: If you can offer the working an incentive bonus (Consumer Electronics for the rec room) I sure I can get efficiency up to 110%.
etc.
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Miasia
Konstrukteure der Zukunft Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.29 20:00:00 -
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Viktor Del'Grande
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Posted - 2010.06.29 20:00:00 -
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Anne Feuerbringer
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Posted - 2010.06.29 20:01:00 -
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Fawsia Namun
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Posted - 2010.06.29 20:01:00 -
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John Eisenauge
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Posted - 2010.06.29 20:05:00 -
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To switch on the extractors manually:we have cloak, we have warp drives, we live in space and must switch lots of extractors on manuelly - i think eve will lower the niveau to WOW.
My opinion is: an option to switch all extractors on per planet...
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John Eisenauge
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Posted - 2010.06.29 20:40:00 -
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Originally by: John Eisenauge To switch on the extractors manually:we have cloak, we have warp drives, we live in space and must switch lots of extractors on manuelly - i think eve will lower the niveau to WOW.
My opinion is: an option to switch all extractors on per planet...
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Llyandrian
Livestock Science Exchange
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Posted - 2010.06.30 12:03:00 -
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Tu Ko
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Posted - 2010.06.30 15:24:00 -
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You guys really want this to become ice mining don't ya'll.
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Rayne Stryker
Versus Gloria Omnis Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici
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Posted - 2010.06.30 17:02:00 -
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I definitely support this. I have 5 planets extracting, and typically near 15 extractors per planet. I also have a second account doing the same thing. It takes me around 20 minutes per character to reset all my extractors.
I could see the ability to go to Planet Mode and choose to reset all extractors either of a specific type, or on the planet as a whole to the same cycle times in one set of clicks.
My reasoning is that this is supposed to be a passive income, and when it takes me either 40 minutes every 5 hours, or 40 minutes every 23 hours, that is 40 minutes I am not being able to run missions, mine asteroids, interact with my manufacturing, or shoot people in the face, assuming I did that.
I don't want this to be, set it, and walk away for 3 weeks and it is still running. I, and my corp mates, would like to be able to reset with many many less clicks.
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Sebastian Baseesh
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Posted - 2010.06.30 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: Rayne Stryker I definitely support this. I have 5 planets extracting, and typically near 15 extractors per planet. I also have a second account doing the same thing. It takes me around 20 minutes per character to reset all my extractors.
I could see the ability to go to Planet Mode and choose to reset all extractors either of a specific type, or on the planet as a whole to the same cycle times in one set of clicks.
My reasoning is that this is supposed to be a passive income, and when it takes me either 40 minutes every 5 hours, or 40 minutes every 23 hours, that is 40 minutes I am not being able to run missions, mine asteroids, interact with my manufacturing, or shoot people in the face, assuming I did that.
I don't want this to be, set it, and walk away for 3 weeks and it is still running. I, and my corp mates, would like to be able to reset with many many less clicks.
I would like a puppy. Seriously. 40 minutes every 23 hours is passive. You're not even the norm since you do it on 2 accounts with l0 Planets and you think 40 Minutes work is too much? Get a grip on reality mate.
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Dillon Arklight
Universal Army Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.06.30 19:19:00 -
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Brolly
Icarus' Wings
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Posted - 2010.07.01 20:31:00 -
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Edited by: Brolly on 01/07/2010 20:31:53
Originally by: Ivorr Bigun
PI needs:
select all route all link all extract all choose cycle all install all
plus ctrl click/shift click options to select multiples.
This please
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SnipeDaddy
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Posted - 2010.07.01 20:42:00 -
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Its the sheer number of clicks that i cant hack.
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Imuran
The first genesis Cult of War
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Posted - 2010.07.01 22:03:00 -
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Yes - reduction in clicks once set up would make a big difference to my RSI
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Simuun
Dark Future Inc.
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Posted - 2010.07.01 23:18:00 -
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Invicti Nyx
Versus Gloria Omnis Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici
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Posted - 2010.07.02 03:01:00 -
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Supported. Sixty or more clicks per planet doesn't add to difficulty or interactivity, doesn't urge you to log in more often, doesn't do anything to stop botting or macros, and certainly doesn't add fun.
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Laconis Dax
Children of Armok
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Posted - 2010.07.02 03:06:00 -
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Supported!
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Chuwok Eita
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Posted - 2010.07.02 04:50:00 -
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Darveses
DAEDALUS X The Final Stand.
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Posted - 2010.07.02 12:50:00 -
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Supported - Its pain enough to check in every 30min if you want maximum efficiency, no need to drag around clicking on extractors for another 5 when you do. ---
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Dardol
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Posted - 2010.07.02 21:03:00 -
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not supported.
not because I don't like the Idea. I just like this guys idea more.
one Button Extractor
cheers!
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Niklos Reynard
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Posted - 2010.07.03 04:06:00 -
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Thumbs up from me. |
Gillgar
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Posted - 2010.07.04 01:35:00 -
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Originally by: Ivorr Bigun Ill go one further in terms of CSM dsicussion on this matter:
PI needs:
select all route all link all extract all choose cycle all install all
plus ctrl click/shift click options to select multiples.
I believe the outcome of not addressing these changes will be rampant devaluation of ISK, and in terms of keeping players or encouraging new players rampant ISK devaluation is not good.
i do think out of all the things mentioned so far this seem the most feasible idea and the easiest to implement. wile I'm in here i do not think it would take away from PI or would make it a step closer to wow
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General Escobar
Gung-Ho
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Posted - 2010.07.05 20:08:00 -
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clicking on this many extractors every 30 mins is a pain in the a***!
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Kronik2k
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Posted - 2010.07.06 07:30:00 -
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Supported with a a++++
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JitaPriceChecker2
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Posted - 2010.07.06 09:04:00 -
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It is funny that all of you people want to make stuff you mine worthless.
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Gillgar
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Posted - 2010.07.23 11:19:00 -
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Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2 It is funny that all of you people want to make stuff you mine worthless.
the price of the PI is going way down anyway so a small change like this is only going to drop the price a little bit more of at all and at the same time heple everyone out alot and save a hell of time.
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Thumbs McFriday
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Posted - 2010.08.06 01:58:00 -
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It occurs to me that the people at CCP understand fun about as well as a penguin understands a pogo stick. Or perhaps, they are sadistic imps trying to recreate a BF Skinner experiment on space nerds. Stop making me click for space cheese.
Make PI fun or make it painless.
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Raid'En
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Posted - 2010.08.06 03:53:00 -
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having to log only to reset each extractor on each char give me the impression i had when playing browser games. and i don't want this. give us a damn option to do this quicker... 2 weeks i stopped pi, and it does not miss me...
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Corelich
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Posted - 2010.08.06 14:31:00 -
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yes, there is nothing left to say.
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Magnus Orin
Minmatar United Systems Navy Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.08.06 16:26:00 -
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Edited by: Magnus Orin on 06/08/2010 16:26:27
Everything in Eve is based on clicking.
How many clicks does it take to mine for 3 hours, haul it to station, reprocess it and sell it on the market?
Damn near the same amount it takes to cycle your extractors every 3 days.
HTFU and stop *****ing about almost free, risk-less isk.
NOT SUPPORTED Sarcasm - Because i'm too far away to strangle you. |
Javajunky
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Posted - 2010.08.06 17:40:00 -
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Support
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Arklan1
Dunedain Rangers
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Posted - 2010.08.07 02:01:00 -
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supported? oh yes.
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LoRDa RaMOs
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.08.07 22:01:00 -
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Excellent idea, supported.
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BloodHair
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Posted - 2010.08.09 12:15:00 -
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good idea
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Kudlow N'cramer
World Eaters Excavation
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Posted - 2010.08.10 12:39:00 -
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I support this idea if it worked like this:
Select the first extractor and set it as normal. Then, select a "copy order" button (or something to that effect) which lights up. You then single click on all the extractors you want on the same cycle which light up a little brighter. Then you click the copy order button again and it goes through a 15-30 second routine as the extractors get set up. Finally, you click the submit button and they are running.
This way, it will take nearly the same amount of time to set the extractors, just greatly cuts down on the amount of double clicking.
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Lex Striker
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Posted - 2010.08.10 13:50:00 -
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Nidellor
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Posted - 2010.08.11 12:38:00 -
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Supported. |
Techis
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Posted - 2010.08.11 13:46:00 -
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MisterAl tt1
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Posted - 2010.08.11 14:43:00 -
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SencneS
Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks
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Posted - 2010.08.11 15:33:00 -
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So many of these requests like this, I even have one that is three weeks old...
Amarr for Life |
Tarakiro Hashepsut
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Posted - 2010.08.11 18:51:00 -
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+1 good idea
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xlam
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Posted - 2010.08.11 19:00:00 -
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Voffka Putin
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Posted - 2010.08.11 19:09:00 -
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Edited by: Voffka Putin on 11/08/2010 19:10:49 !!!
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Inkahran
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Posted - 2010.08.12 05:33:00 -
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Ermigen
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Posted - 2010.08.12 05:52:00 -
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Supported.
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Henshin R
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Posted - 2010.08.12 05:52:00 -
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+1
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Markscheider
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Posted - 2010.08.12 05:53:00 -
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+1
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Delovoy Agent
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Posted - 2010.08.12 05:55:00 -
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good idea
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Xantor Bludberry
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Posted - 2010.08.12 06:07:00 -
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+1
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Aijle Mijleroff
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Posted - 2010.08.12 07:03:00 -
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LetItbee
D.T.P.
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Posted - 2010.08.12 10:19:00 -
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+1
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Pyrka
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Posted - 2010.08.12 11:16:00 -
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supported
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Chibi Chi
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Posted - 2010.08.12 12:38:00 -
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Supported
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Angard
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Posted - 2010.08.12 15:21:00 -
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Support this topic
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Porkose
SA - Department of Manufactures Crusaders of Space
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Posted - 2010.08.12 17:21:00 -
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Supported!!!
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Mark Quark
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Posted - 2010.08.13 22:14:00 -
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JitaPriceChecker2
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Posted - 2010.08.14 17:34:00 -
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Posting in another "I trained 10 alts for PI and now i have to work for isks" thread.
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Angelzin
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2010.08.14 19:01:00 -
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Not supported.
If you want ISK then work for it.
Perhaps petition to limit accounts to only 1 character to be able to get involved in PI or datacore research.
No other game gives so much freebies for so little effort and that needs to be changed in order to avoid pussiefication of the game.
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DJohnson
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Posted - 2010.08.16 17:46:00 -
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Both hands up!
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BENDER 1
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Posted - 2010.08.16 18:55:00 -
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+1
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BATTM
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Posted - 2010.08.16 18:57:00 -
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+1
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Voivode Sha'mael
Senators of Eridan Red Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.16 22:09:00 -
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support subject - "And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them
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Cyprus Black
4 wing Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2010.08.17 10:54:00 -
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Originally by: Jada Maroo
EVE: "Click, slave! *Whip whip* CLICK UNTIL YOUR FINGERS BLEED!"
You: "Yes Mistress EVE! Make me! Make me click more!"
I like where this is going But lets find something else to use instead of clicking.
http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/2084/lolveur2.gif |
Worad Green
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Posted - 2010.08.18 12:26:00 -
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+1 supported!
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ArchE
Minmatar The First Foundation SOLAR FLEET
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Posted - 2010.09.06 17:02:00 -
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+1 to the topic.
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Jet Heart
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Posted - 2010.09.07 10:25:00 -
[77]
Supported!
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Nikos Kraxteer
The First Foundation SOLAR FLEET
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Posted - 2010.09.07 12:21:00 -
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Alexander Spa
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Posted - 2010.09.11 08:09:00 -
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+1 supported!
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Arnold Predator
Special Situations
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Posted - 2010.09.11 13:50:00 -
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nothing needs to be said... the first three pages cover it all
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Ardamalis
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2010.09.12 06:13:00 -
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There needs to be a barrier to entry (currently time) for PI or prices will hit rock bottom.
I would be ok with it only if a different barrier to entry were implemented but I have not seen any good alternative actually suggested.
so /not signed |
wr3cks
Reliables Inc Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.09.12 22:29:00 -
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Apparently preventing carpal tunnel is one of the "new features" we can look forward to in the upcoming lame expansion.
Garbage.
Fix and patch it now.
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