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Alexander Sinclair
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Posted - 2010.06.29 06:20:00 -
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I believe if you make a Gallente Gallente Immigrant you go to the Federal Navy Academy, based upon 3 different characters created the same way, so I believe your school is determined by Ancestry, so I'm wondering has anybody compiled a list of what Ancestry for what race equals what school, so we could look at how the ancestry options to choose what school to graduate from?
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Serpents smile
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Posted - 2010.06.29 08:33:00 -
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Lookie.
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Gieron
Middleton and Mercer LLP Consortium.
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Posted - 2010.06.29 09:11:00 -
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Originally by: Serpents smile
Lookie.
That link is old. Since the character creation changed you no longer choose a profession, which is what decided the school before.
I have heard that you are placed in a school randomly. But I'm not sure if that is true.
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Alexander Sinclair
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Posted - 2010.06.29 16:35:00 -
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Originally by: Gieron
Originally by: Serpents smile
Lookie.
That link is old. Since the character creation changed you no longer choose a profession, which is what decided the school before.
I have heard that you are placed in a school randomly. But I'm not sure if that is true.
I'm almost positive its based on Ancestry.
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Joe Starbreaker
M. Corp
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Posted - 2010.06.29 17:16:00 -
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Originally by: Alexander Sinclair I'm almost positive its based on Ancestry.
If so, everyone in the rookie corp chat channel will be of the same bloodline. Why don't you log in and test this hypothesis for us now? If you're right, you could be the one that compiles the complete list.
I know that the NPC corp you go to when you quit a corporation is determined by bloodline, so it's possible you're right.
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Joe Starbreaker
M. Corp
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Posted - 2010.06.29 17:38:00 -
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Hypothesis: REJECTED
I just created a Gallente Jin-Mei character and wound up in Federal Navy Academy (same as your Gallente Gallente character). I quickly checked the chat channel and found characters of other Gallente bloodlines. The starting corporation is therefore not determined by bloodline.
It could be that all Gallente characters start in FNA, though. Go test this theory!
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Yakumo Smith
Gallente No End To Infinity Fleetingly Finite
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Posted - 2010.06.29 17:43:00 -
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It used to be based on ancestry. It was change a while ago so that players ended up being spread out among the racial schools.
Google isn't always your friend, information changes.
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Lukriss
Liquid Inc. Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2010.06.29 18:42:00 -
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Edited by: Lukriss on 29/06/2010 18:42:51 It's random. A few months ago I made 2 toons, same race, bloodline and gender, got into different schools.
edit: But schools are most likely limited by something, probably race, but there's at least a couple you could end up in.
Originally by: Redloc I want to gank hulks in high sec! I have a dedicated miner account so I have the funds to throw away.
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Alexander Sinclair
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Posted - 2010.06.29 19:02:00 -
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Edited by: Alexander Sinclair on 29/06/2010 19:02:25
Originally by: Lukriss Edited by: Lukriss on 29/06/2010 18:42:51 It's random. A few months ago I made 2 toons, same race, bloodline and gender, got into different schools.
edit: But schools are most likely limited by something, probably race, but there's at least a couple you could end up in.
I tried again with Gallente Gallente Immigrant Male and this is the fourth one that has gotten into the Federal Navy Academy. You forgot to choose the same ancestry.
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Joe Starbreaker
M. Corp
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Posted - 2010.06.29 19:30:00 -
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Originally by: Alexander Sinclair I tried again with Gallente Gallente Immigrant Male and this is the fourth one that has gotten into the Federal Navy Academy. You forgot to choose the same ancestry.
No. Your theory is wrong. See my last post above. Come up with another theory.
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Stryder187
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Posted - 2010.06.30 04:33:00 -
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Edited by: Stryder187 on 30/06/2010 04:33:39
Originally by: Joe Starbreaker
Originally by: Alexander Sinclair I tried again with Gallente Gallente Immigrant Male and this is the fourth one that has gotten into the Federal Navy Academy. You forgot to choose the same ancestry.
No. Your theory is wrong. See my last post above. Come up with another theory.
I'm not saying only Gallente Gallente Immigrant Males will be getting into the FNA just that all of them will, other bloodlines I would assume have different combinations to get in I suspect highly that it is bassed off of the bloodlines unique ancestry.
Edit Bleh posted under the wrong character... this is Alexander Sinclair, and this is a test character that I'm biomassing to confirm my suspicion.
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Alexander Sinclair
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Posted - 2010.06.30 04:40:00 -
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Originally by: Stryder187 Edited by: Stryder187 on 30/06/2010 04:33:39
Originally by: Joe Starbreaker
Originally by: Alexander Sinclair I tried again with Gallente Gallente Immigrant Male and this is the fourth one that has gotten into the Federal Navy Academy. You forgot to choose the same ancestry.
No. Your theory is wrong. See my last post above. Come up with another theory.
I'm not saying only Gallente Gallente Immigrant Males will be getting into the FNA just that all of them will, other bloodlines I would assume have different combinations to get in I suspect highly that it is bassed off of the bloodlines unique ancestry.
Edit Bleh posted under the wrong character... this is Alexander Sinclair, and this is a test character that I'm biomassing to confirm my suspicion.
Yes just verifying that this is indeed me. :)
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Jennifer Fenring
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.06.30 08:20:00 -
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Edited by: Jennifer Fenring on 30/06/2010 08:24:25
Originally by: Lukriss It's random. A few months ago I made 2 toons, same race, bloodline and gender, got into different schools.
Confirmed. Same here.
Made 3 Amarr Khanid characters. 2 of them were sent to the Royal Amarr Institute, one to the Imperial Academy.
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Lukriss
Liquid Inc. Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2010.06.30 12:48:00 -
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Just replying to prove what I'm saying
Toon 1 Toon 2
Originally by: Redloc I want to gank hulks in high sec! I have a dedicated miner account so I have the funds to throw away.
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Alexander Sinclair
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Posted - 2010.06.30 15:37:00 -
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Edited by: Alexander Sinclair on 30/06/2010 15:45:39 Ok after 5 uniform results I found one result that didn't match, I had to create a lot of characters for this different result, but I'm wrong. I bet there is a way to skew the odds to the school you want though, if it is random. though the ancestry option Immigrant was in the first slot and not the second,which was abnormal too. there is generally 3 slots from left to right on the ancestry options.
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Joe Starbreaker
M. Corp
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Posted - 2010.06.30 16:19:00 -
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Originally by: Alexander Sinclair Edited by: Alexander Sinclair on 30/06/2010 15:45:39 Ok after 5 uniform results I found one result that didn't match, I had to create a lot of characters for this different result, but I'm wrong. I bet there is a way to skew the odds to the school you want though, if it is random. though the ancestry option Immigrant was in the first slot and not the second,which was abnormal too. there is generally 3 slots from left to right on the ancestry options.
Perhaps the server tries to balance the size of the starter schools. If that's the case, they'd keep sending new characters to FNA as long as it was the smallest of the Gallente schools.
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Alexander Sinclair
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Posted - 2010.06.30 16:53:00 -
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Originally by: Joe Starbreaker
Originally by: Alexander Sinclair Edited by: Alexander Sinclair on 30/06/2010 15:45:39 Ok after 5 uniform results I found one result that didn't match, I had to create a lot of characters for this different result, but I'm wrong. I bet there is a way to skew the odds to the school you want though, if it is random. though the ancestry option Immigrant was in the first slot and not the second,which was abnormal too. there is generally 3 slots from left to right on the ancestry options.
Perhaps the server tries to balance the size of the starter schools. If that's the case, they'd keep sending new characters to FNA as long as it was the smallest of the Gallente schools.
Yeah but through that test, whenever I did other ancestries I got sent to other schools generally.
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2010.06.30 21:23:00 -
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Yeah, the link to my post on schools is old and the info outdated. I can't update it though as the thread is locked. When that post was created, you specifically chose your career and that choice of career, Military, Business or Industry - sent you to a specific school. Only that school had the Ten Mission Set for that Career. Thus, the Business School - did not have Agents who could give out the Military or Business Ten Mission sets.
Now - all the schools have all agents for all the career tracks. So, there isn't really a Business School, a Military School or an Industry School any more - though none of the names changed - so some schools still reflect their past in their names. A common practice in the old days was to go around to all three schools to take all three Ten Mission Sets. Showing where all those schools and agents were was a primary reason for the creation of that thread. Now - you can do them all at any school so much of the reason for it has gone away.
However, I've got the same link in my sig - as the post does still show where most of the schools and most of their agents are. I had taken it out - and then started seeing requests for a list of the school locations - so I put it back.
*shrug*
My understanding is that the choice of school is now random. If so - that would mean that the server isn't actively load leveling the assignment of new cadets. Of course - my understanding may also be incorrect. However, a purely random distribution - should - have about the same effect. While their might well be clumps of people assigned to one school or another - a truly random distribution - should - over time - create an approximately even distribution.
In the old days - when people picked a specific career and were assigned to that school - the military schools were vastly more popular than the other two, with Industry Second and Business third.
The old way, you would pick an ancestry and career which would give you specific attributes and starting skills. You started with a lot more points - but - you got no double speed training time. Now - you start with fewer skills already assigned - but you get to pick your skills individually and are given the double speed training up to 1.6 mil. skill points.
I don't really know which way is better. The old way gave you a little more guidance as to which skills you might need for your chosen profession but it also locked you into a set of attributes that could not, at that time, be changed. Now you're on your own but you have a lot more freedom and can adjust your attributes. The old way, gave you a greater sense of being part of the games Back Story (if you cared at all about RP) but saw a lot of people specifically picking certain ancestries as a way of adjusting their attributes.
Anyway ... it is the way it is now.
The thing I really miss the most - is that after I got them to fix it - you could go back and change you characters appearance during the character creation process. Now ... you pick a character in this giant full screen mode - then after it's to late to change it - you see what that portrait looks like all scrunched down ... and have to go through a rather convoluted process to change it. Very much an inferior process to the way it was (after they got it to work again) but with Ambulation perpetually on the horizon ... which will cause a remake of all our characters appearances anyway ... they'll never change it back.
*shrug*
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Alexander Sinclair
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Posted - 2010.07.01 06:37:00 -
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If I'm correct in my memory Ancestry Option 1 for Gallente Gallente is Center of Advanced Studies, I'm going to try to get that as reliably as I can for picking the school you want I think I will do it once more for a test of 3, maybe I will try it 4 or 6 times, and I did a option 2 ancestry to get in to the federal navy academy between those number 1 choices as a control.
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Mithfindel
Aseyakone
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Posted - 2010.07.01 09:48:00 -
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Edited by: Mithfindel on 01/07/2010 09:51:23 A few notes:
Ancestry options can't be numbered 1, 2, 3 etc. since the order of the buttons does change randomly.
The assignment to different schools cannot be reliably checked just by the distribution of bloodlines in corp channel, since you used to be able to pick your school, so old characters need to be removed from the test set. Additionally, it might be that each ancestry leads to a specific school. Since every bloodline has three ancestries, each one could have one leading to a specific school. As such, each school may still have characters of each bloodline and knowing the bloodline does not reveal any extra information. You would need to know the ancestries, which cannot be checked except by the players themselves.
In order to draw conclusions, we'd need a statistically significant amount of people to make new characters and see which schools they are put to. The assignment may be determined or pseudorandom. (Pseudorandom as in depending on some seed value in addition to ancestry, for example account number or something.)
To test the consistency of ancestry leading to a specific school, it'd need several people to make (um, trial?) several characters sharing the same race/bloodline ancestry and report if they're on the same school. This can be used to test the hypothesis that the race-bloodline-ancestry combo determines school.
To test the consistency of this combination over different accounts, we'd need to check if the same combinations lead to same schools for different people (and possibly different times of creation). For reference, a corpmate of mine has a Gallente/Gallente/Immigrant character who started in FNA, so unless someone is able to find a recently created G/G/I character with another starting corporation, evidence this far seems to suggest that all characters with that combinatin do go to FNA. (Of course, statistically spoken five samples from a few thousand are not yet meaningful, even if somewhat peculiar.) Alternatively, ask for everyone's ancestry on a rookie corp chat and table the answers based on bloodline, ancestry and age.
Edit: And yes, the NPC corps you go to after quitting a corp are determined by bloodline, most evident on the Minmatar going to their tribal corps.
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Alexander Sinclair
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Posted - 2010.07.01 18:42:00 -
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Edited by: Alexander Sinclair on 01/07/2010 18:45:07 I know the Ancestry is assigned randomly that's why I assigned numbers to it it, I was thinking it had to do with the 1,2, and 3 slots for determining skills, but it doesn't matter I'm wrong about that too, I tried using a option two and instead of getting a Federal Navy Academy I got University of Caille. Though I tried option 1 (the actual ancestry that's in the options I was thinking was irrelevant) and I got the Center of Advanced Learning School which I was testing out for option 1 and the same time as I was testing option 2 for the Federal Navy Academy.
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Mithfindel
Aseyakone
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Posted - 2010.07.01 21:59:00 -
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And actually yes, Lukriss's post on 2010.06.30 12:48:00 does actually prove the assumption false. For hard facts, assuming random distribution, the likelyhood to get three same picks four times a row (33 % chance for each individual event) is roughly one in a hundred - but it is possible. Statistics are only valid for large groups of events.
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