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Carola Kessler
Lost Sisters Of New Eden Freelancer Coalition
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Posted - 2012.07.19 12:42:00 -
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The Machariel has been downsized to 1400 meters somewhat, smaller then Hyperion and Apocalypse, making it a joke against her reputation beeing the biggest BS within the BS sized ship class in Eve....
Dear CCP devs i beg you to take this back and give the Machariel its former size 1920 Meters, let her be still the biggest BS in Eve with his reputation beeing feared by most of the Eve pilots.
Current size doesn't fits to it really, all which think the Same way like me, please raise your hands and vote for giving the MAch back her old size!!
http://game-craft.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/EVE-ships-subcap-Tyrannis.jpg
PLEASE PLEASE take this Change back!!!
sincerly
Carola Kessler |
h4kun4
Dei Mudda GmbH Freelancer Coalition
4
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Posted - 2012.07.19 13:02:00 -
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The Machariel has to be ithe biggest Subcapital in EVE, everytime I undock with my Mach, I think: lol watch that small Orca down there... No but seriously, for me its ridiculous to switch the size of ships every 3 Months...first i was like, omg My maelstrom is 600m long...then i was like, wow its 1500m long, and now you wnat the Maelstrom with 1484m to be longer than a machariel? That is not how i should be... |
Nagarythe Tinurandir
Catholic School for Boys
25
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Posted - 2012.07.19 13:02:00 -
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they made minmatar frigs and some cruisers giants. i doubt they will take back any of this. let's just hope some day the sizes of all ships are consistent. comparing fighters, fighter bombers and frigs is just... :( |
Jerick Ludhowe
Suicides-R-Us Celsetial Being
93
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Posted - 2012.07.19 13:30:00 -
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Mach was the size of a carrier..... Oh and obviously the fastest and most agile BS should be the largest
If you want to complain about the visuals on the mach how about complain about the fail ass turret placement on the ship... |
Carola Kessler
Lost Sisters Of New Eden Freelancer Coalition
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Posted - 2012.07.19 14:16:00 -
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Jerick Ludhowe wrote:Mach was the size of a carrier..... Oh and obviously the fastest and most agile BS should be the largest
If you look at the design from the Machariel and its original lore beeing a hijacked design from Jove and transformed beeing transformed in a BS from Angel Cartel , maybe the size was cause its original intent beeing a Carrier from the Jovians...who knows.....but just look closer, from the middle of the Machariel could have started the figthers or other Drones. |
Jerick Ludhowe
Suicides-R-Us Celsetial Being
93
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Posted - 2012.07.19 14:28:00 -
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Carola Kessler wrote:Jerick Ludhowe wrote:Mach was the size of a carrier..... Oh and obviously the fastest and most agile BS should be the largest If you look at the design from the Machariel and its original lore beeing a hijacked design from Jove and transformed beeing transformed in a BS from Angel Cartel , maybe the size was cause its original intent beeing a Carrier from the Jovians...who knows.....but just look closer, from the middle of the Machariel could have started the figthers or other Drones.
It's not a carrier, it's a fast agile BS. Being the size of a carrier is foolish period. Considering that this game has a habit of contradicting its own contradictions... saying it should be the size of a carrier because it was based off a jove ship that could have been a carrier seems like a rather epic stretch.
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h4kun4
Dei Mudda GmbH Freelancer Coalition
4
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Posted - 2012.07.19 14:35:00 -
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Normally how large a ship is, is completely unimportant for its agility, the only things that matter are Acceleration (Inertia Modifier) and Mass and because the Mass of the Mach is so low and its Intertia modifier is so low for a ship of its type, it just the most agile one. Its a Highjacked Jove Design, so maybe the Jove take ultra light matrial and super efficient thrusters...so its very possible I just think taht its a Joke to make a ship smaller after a patch...so you go to sleep, 1912m Machariel, you wake up in the Morning...ship shrinked ti 1400m, omgwtflol how unlogical^^ |
Carola Kessler
Lost Sisters Of New Eden Freelancer Coalition
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Posted - 2012.07.19 15:06:00 -
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Jerick Ludhowe wrote:Carola Kessler wrote:Jerick Ludhowe wrote:Mach was the size of a carrier..... Oh and obviously the fastest and most agile BS should be the largest If you look at the design from the Machariel and its original lore beeing a hijacked design from Jove and transformed beeing transformed in a BS from Angel Cartel , maybe the size was cause its original intent beeing a Carrier from the Jovians...who knows.....but just look closer, from the middle of the Machariel could have started the figthers or other Drones. It's not a carrier, it's a fast agile BS. Being the size of a carrier is foolish period. Considering that this game has a habit of contradicting its own contradictions... saying it should be the size of a carrier because it was based off a jove ship that could have been a carrier seems like a rather epic stretch.
Again seems you're not getting the point...the MAchariel Lorewise was a Hijacked Jove design...as H4 mentioned like me before, which ofcourse implemtents some Jove technics in its design and technical abilities makes the ship one of the agilest and fastes BS within game breaking this background meants breaking its reputation and history so.....according to that its still a joke and your explanations and points are not valid PERIOD.
sincerly
Carola Kessler |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
381
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Posted - 2012.07.19 15:17:00 -
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The real limitations on the agility of a ship are structural. Larger ships have to turn slower because inertial dampers can't fully compensate for the rotational acceleration of the ship, so the slower turn rate limits the stresses placed on the structure. Supposedly the Machariel would have superior Jovian construction materials and inertial dampers allowing for a significantly more agile ship. EVE's 4th of July Fireworks |
Junko Sideswipe
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
29
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Posted - 2012.07.19 15:25:00 -
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The thing was as big as a carrier, that's silly. |
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Carola Kessler
Lost Sisters Of New Eden Freelancer Coalition
24
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Posted - 2012.07.19 15:34:00 -
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Junko Sideswipe wrote:The thing was as big as a carrier, that's silly.
*eyerolls* It is a jovian design supposed beeing a Jovian Carrier maybe....but modified by the Angel Cartel working as Battleship.....so ....with Jovian technologie or some content by it stolen like Sanshas allready did why the heck not!! I don't understand your all negative expressions letting the Machariel be the most agile and fastest ship be in Eve according to its price its allready close to a Carrier or Dreadnaugth!!
Sincerly
Carola Kessler |
Junko Sideswipe
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
30
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Posted - 2012.07.19 15:40:00 -
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Shrink the maelstrom too, you put that thing next to a chimera and you suddenly don't feel like ever wanting a carrier ever again. |
Ogogov
Ars ex Discordia Test Alliance Please Ignore
21
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Posted - 2012.07.19 15:43:00 -
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Shrink all the battleships or properly scale carriers so that they can fit the volume of assembled ships that they are supposed to.
I simply cannot see how a carrier is supposed to be able to fit two assembled BS in the SMA as it stands. It is utterly ridiculous. |
Junko Sideswipe
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
30
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Posted - 2012.07.19 15:50:00 -
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Ogogov wrote: I simply cannot see how a carrier is supposed to be able to fit two assembled BS in the SMA as it stands. It is utterly ridiculous.
It's like that scene in the transformers movie, where they get to the giant cube thing, and they shrink it down to the tiny cube. |
Jerick Ludhowe
Suicides-R-Us Celestial.Being
93
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Posted - 2012.07.19 16:06:00 -
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Carola Kessler wrote:Jerick Ludhowe wrote:Carola Kessler wrote:Jerick Ludhowe wrote:Mach was the size of a carrier..... Oh and obviously the fastest and most agile BS should be the largest If you look at the design from the Machariel and its original lore beeing a hijacked design from Jove and transformed beeing transformed in a BS from Angel Cartel , maybe the size was cause its original intent beeing a Carrier from the Jovians...who knows.....but just look closer, from the middle of the Machariel could have started the figthers or other Drones. It's not a carrier, it's a fast agile BS. Being the size of a carrier is foolish period. Considering that this game has a habit of contradicting its own contradictions... saying it should be the size of a carrier because it was based off a jove ship that could have been a carrier seems like a rather epic stretch. Again seems you're not getting the point...the MAchariel Lorewise was a Hijacked Jove design...as H4 mentioned like me before, which ofcourse implemtents some Jove technics in its design and technical abilities makes the ship one of the agilest and fastes BS within game breaking this background meants breaking its reputation and history so.....according to that its still a joke and your explanations and points are not valid PERIOD. sincerly Carola Kessler
No i get your point, i just think it's mongaloidish as lore has been contradicted so many times it's not even remotely a good argument to stand on. As for the whole carrier thing, keep grasping at straws... The ship looks nothing like a carrier, acts nothing like a carrier... Only similarity was the machs ludacris size... Now that's changing so give the whole "carrier" thing a rest.
Furthermore, if you consider a small change of size to 1 ship that makes it look far less ridiculous "game breaking" then your opinion is by default null and void to begin with.
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Aglais
Liberation Army BricK sQuAD.
81
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Posted - 2012.07.19 16:20:00 -
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I only support this if the Rifter goes down to 90 meters, the Dram goes to 80, and the Cynabal goes to 450.
As well as fixing the glaring inconsistencies between Hawk, Harpy, Worm and Merlin. The latter two sit at 97 meter long axes, whereas the former two somehow are 88. They're supposed to be based on the same hull. |
Xercodo
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam
1225
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Posted - 2012.07.19 21:51:00 -
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I don't care how Jove that thing was, ti was oversized D:
On the other hand I love her make-over. The Drake is a Lie |
nat longshot
solo and loveing it
37
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Posted - 2012.07.20 00:53:00 -
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now that ccp has deside to let me speak once again. one the mach was to large was a pain getting hung up and accl gate and other stuff in mission. it need to be resized it still a large ship.
As for the new paint/V3 i love it. |
Jack Miton
Bite Me inc Exhale.
387
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Posted - 2012.07.20 03:20:00 -
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this change is good and long needed. mach is the fastest, most agile BS with the smallest sig and yet it is 1.5x the size of other BSs.... yeah, THAT makes sense... |
MotherMoon
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
988
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Posted - 2012.07.20 05:38:00 -
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Junko Sideswipe wrote:Shrink the maelstrom too, you put that thing next to a chimera and you suddenly don't feel like ever wanting a carrier ever again.
THIS
also wtf carriers are WAY to small. Why dust 514 is on Console and not PCBattle field 3 sales Xbox 360: 2.2 million PlayStation 3: 1.5 million PC: 500,000http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg |
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Kaycerra
Black Lotus Heavy Industries Ethereal Dawn
1
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Posted - 2012.07.20 06:26:00 -
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Machariel was, and still is with the change a bit too big. the old size (1900) makes the ship LARGER than some carriers, and frankly thats a bit ridiculous. This gave the ship specific advantages in game, like making it easier to bump enemy ships, but really throws off the overall scale of the different ships in eve. I know that fitting them on grid would be ridiculous if they reflected their true lengths and signature radii' and all, but battleships and carrier same size was bad.
I support this change. |
Carola Kessler
Lost Sisters Of New Eden Freelancer Coalition
24
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Posted - 2012.07.20 07:09:00 -
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Okay okay i see, everyone is telling Macha was to big, but....if looked into it seems more the Carriers and other Capitals were to small in size....whatever someone fits in his own sight of view.
On the other hand it's rigth to resize ships in a proper size according to their abilities and whatnot....so...i'm giving up to argue about the shrinking from the Machariel but demand at least a resizing from the other Battleshisp, Capitals and so on as well.
Sincerly
Carola Kessler |
Sellendis
The Ares project
148
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Posted - 2012.07.20 08:47:00 -
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I agree, Mach was big, but it should remain the biggest BS in the game. Its made from Jove desighs, so its advanced tech somewhat. Big, fast and agile. Seeing Mach in action next to other ships is awesome, now resized its like all other BSs, not so imposing. So resize all or restore Mach to 1.9km CCP, please.
Scaling ingame is a old problem, 2km long Provi can dock in the station and any SC cant, Nyx and Wyvren are only 3.2-3.3km long. Not much of a difference for docking (since i see a lot of empty space next to my docked Provi :)
Turrets look like insanely big cannons on frigates, on BS they look like toys, not scaled at all properly.
Fitting 2 BS in a carrier is a old stupid problem, how can a carrier barely few hundred meters bigger than 1 BS, fit 2 in its hangar? The carrier should be then 4 times the size at least to fit two 1km long BS inside.
Sig sizes and weight aside, titans should then be ~30km, SC 10-13km, and carriers around at least twice the current size to get any sense of scale. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
394
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Posted - 2012.07.20 08:59:00 -
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Sellendis wrote:Sig sizes and weight aside, titans should then be ~30km, SC 10-13km, and carriers around at least twice the current size to get any sense of scale. I don't think titans need to double in size (maybe should be more around 20-24 km), but the SC and carrier sizes sound good. Dreadnaughts also need a size increase. EVE's 4th of July Fireworks |
Sellendis
The Ares project
148
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Posted - 2012.07.20 09:05:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Sellendis wrote:Sig sizes and weight aside, titans should then be ~30km, SC 10-13km, and carriers around at least twice the current size to get any sense of scale. I don't think titans need to double in size (maybe should be more around 20-24 km), but the SC and carrier sizes sound good. Dreadnaughts also need a size increase.
Yeah, well sizes are not set in stone, just keep the scale somewhat working. Titans should dwarf anything, so being double the size of a SC is IMHO kinda small, x3 the size maybe?
Honestly i forgot about dreads, some like Naf are bigger than SCs and can still dock, they are the size of SC anyway, so bumping them to 7-8km and SC to 10-13. |
Sheynan
Lighting the blight
22
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Posted - 2012.07.20 15:22:00 -
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Sellendis wrote:I agree, Mach was big, but it should remain the biggest BS in the game. Its made from Jove designs, so its advanced tech somewhat. Big, fast and agile. Seeing Mach in action next to other ships is awesome, now resized its like all other BSs, not so imposing. So resize all or restore Mach to 1.9km CCP, please.
Scaling ingame is a old problem, 2km long Provi can dock in the station and any SC cant, Nyx and Wyvren are only 3.2-3.3km long. Not much of a difference for docking (since i see a lot of empty space next to my docked Provi :) Hell, Archon is 3286m long and can dock, Wyvren is 3226 and cant dock, funny aint it. So a regular carrier is bigger than a super carrier.....WTF here? Gonna resize Wyvren and Nyx then or downsize Archon? Fix all or dont bother at all.
Turrets look like insanely big cannons on frigates, on BS they look like toys, not scaled at all properly.
Fitting 2 BS in a carrier is a old stupid problem, how can a carrier barely few hundred meters bigger than 1 BS, fit 2 in its hangar? The carrier should be then 4 times the size at least to fit two 1km long BS inside.
Sig sizes and weight aside, titans should then be ~30km, SC 10-13km, and carriers around at least twice the current size to get any sense of scale.
yep do it CCP
P:S: And I personally don't care about anyone who comes into this thread moaning that his capitals can't all safely snuggle under his POS anymore |
Freundliches Feuer
A Hulk Kill A Day Keeps The Doctor Away
11
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Posted - 2012.07.20 15:30:00 -
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The mach was fine in size, its the capitals that are way too small... also the rifter needs to go down in size or at least make the guns bigger :/ its ridiculous... |
Jerick Ludhowe
Suicides-R-Us Celestial.Being
95
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Posted - 2012.07.20 15:52:00 -
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Freundliches Feuer wrote:The mach was fine in size, its the capitals that are way too small... also the rifter needs to go down in size or at least make the guns bigger :/ its ridiculous...
2km long bs that is the fastest, most agile, and has a tiny sig. How was that ludacris insult to scale ever fine? To be honest the mach should be one of the smallest of all the battleships for reasons already stated as well as the fact jove Battleships tend to be smaller than the more traditional ones fielded by the four races.
Scale across all ships needs to be heavily reworked... Thrasher being larger than a rupture is just another example of foolish scaling.
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Freundliches Feuer
A Hulk Kill A Day Keeps The Doctor Away
13
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Posted - 2012.07.21 17:12:00 -
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Jerick Ludhowe wrote:Freundliches Feuer wrote:The mach was fine in size, its the capitals that are way too small... also the rifter needs to go down in size or at least make the guns bigger :/ its ridiculous... 2km long bs that is the fastest, most agile, and has a tiny sig. How was that ludacris insult to scale ever fine? To be honest the mach should be one of the smallest of all the battleships for reasons already stated as well as the fact jove Battleships tend to be smaller than the more traditional ones fielded by the four races. Scale across all ships needs to be heavily reworked... Thrasher being larger than a rupture is just another example of foolish scaling.
Yes true that it was the biggest, but maybe the material it was made from, due to the Jovian+Angel nature, it just had the properties of being very agile and fast. Size doesn't always mean slower/faster. But thrasher is lol yeah. |
Marzuq
Scarlet Weather Rhapsody
7
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Posted - 2012.07.21 18:21:00 -
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The machariel is the biggest ship unpackage: (595,000 m3) compared to other battleships that are below 500,000 m3. You can't put more than one machariel in a carrier as a result.
I do say the machariel should be back to its original size, its one of the things that made the ship awesome. |
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