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Zemkhoff	Posted - 2010.06.29 21:14:00 - [1] For some reason i keep getting spammed with the same group of missions over and over. Usually i get Intercept the Saboteurs (gurista), Right Hand of Zazzamatazz, Attack of the Drones, Stop the Thief and sometimes Angels Extravaganza. For example, yesterday I checked my two agents, and seeing they had the crappy low lp, low bounty missions i listed above i declined both of them. Both of them gave me Intercept the Saboteurs, so i went to another agent and I also got Intercept the Saboteurs. Wut? It's been a while since ive seen worlds collide or guristas extravaganza, so what gives?
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.06.29 21:29:00 - [2] They really want someone to intercept those saboteurs? ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Ultim8Evil Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2010.06.29 21:33:00 - [3] If I get another "Rogue Drone Harrassment" I may have to emoragequit.
Goose99	Posted - 2010.06.29 21:38:00 - [4] How about just do the mission and get it over with?
Zemkhoff	Posted - 2010.06.29 21:43:00 - [5] Originally by: Goose99 How about just do the mission and get it over with? Don't be dense. I'm not going to waste my time doing one bad mission after another.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.06.29 21:46:00 - [6] Originally by: Zemkhoff Originally by: Goose99 How about just do the mission and get it over with? Don't be dense. I'm not going to waste my time doing one bad mission after another. Soà instead of getting meh money from meh missions, you're choosing to get zero money from no missions. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Zemkhoff	Posted - 2010.06.29 21:54:00 - [7] Edited by: Zemkhoff on 29/06/2010 21:54:50 Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Zemkhoff Originally by: Goose99 How about just do the mission and get it over with? Don't be dense. I'm not going to waste my time doing one bad mission after another. Soà instead of getting meh money from meh missions, you're choosing to get zero money from no missions. nevermind. Why bother really.
Seriously Bored Minmatar	Posted - 2010.06.29 21:54:00 - [8] AE is a good income mission... But I've had streaks like this too, and then streaks where I got my favorite mission from three agents at the same time. It's all a part of being subjected to randomness. You were betting on heads and got tails multiple times in a row. The coin is still standard issue. (All this is assuming you're using the same agents you've always been using. If you've switched that up, that could be your problem.)
Yakumo Smith Gallente No End To Infinity Fleetingly Finite	Posted - 2010.06.29 22:02:00 - [9] Attack of the drones takes all of 4 minutes to complete as the trigger ship is obvious. Stop the Thief is quick if you can hit at long range. Zazzamatazz takes 5 minutes if you can smack decent dps. Makes total sense for you to decline those quick missions and suffer 4 hours of no income. The only 1 I agree with you on is the Saboteurs as if you only have one account it's a pain in the rear with the jamming. I save my declines for the really annoying missions like the score (massive travel to gates) and faction opponant missions. I suppose this must be my sig. I'll do something cool with it eventually.
Joe Starbreaker M. Corp	Posted - 2010.06.29 22:03:00 - [10] You know, if you have multiple agents, you can farm a good mission for a whole week. This is especially good when you mission in lowsec, as the hubs there often have 3 or more L4Q20 agents in one system. Get AE or WC from one of those agents and run it every day... but don't finish it until the 7th day. You can use the other agents to get more missions like it. ... Join M. Corp, see the Galaxy
Irdia Freelancer	Posted - 2010.06.29 22:04:00 - [11] This is how some find their agents dont give many missions, as they reject them all. My agent gives around 60 different missions and I dont reject very many. Eg I'll reject a low sec delivery (2x in last 2 years) and I'll reject faction missions like enemies abound (only faction mission given). I make good isk on those poor missions that everyone claims aren't worth doing. But then I value lp, and get good isk for lp. If you dont value lp, get rubbish isk/lp, then maybe you could look for a better agent to get better lp? As I value lp, even using a lower isk/lp than I get like 2000 isk/lp, I can with low skilled chars (I'm still using best named T1 stuff, plus T2 drones) get 50+ mil/hour/char when missioning. You dont need a marauder, you dont need an expensive fit, you dont even have to look very hard for better lp. I actually use mostly crusier hulls to do lvl 4's. An ishtar with burner does over 500 m/sec, ie takes little time to move those longer distances than those using no burner on a battleship, then asking themselves why they take so long to mission? The odd poorer mission I may dip below 50 mil/hour/char doing, but on average I dont without rejecting the so-called poorer missions. Many of the so-called poorer missions are actually better returns but players are not smart enough to realise this as they have been rejecting them the whole time. Eg one drone mission I complete in 8 min for 7700 lp. Thats equiv of 15.4 mil in lp @ 2000 isk/lp, plus I get over 3 mil in reward/bonus. Thats over 18 mil value in 8 minutes. Even if you stretch that 8 min to 10 (maybe your higher skilled char with specialised lvl 4 running ship takes longer than an ishtar with drones and with civ pop gun), thats still 108 mil/hour/char doing that mission - but all drone missions aren't worth doing ... Of course I dont actually make as little as 2000 isk/lp ... but thats another story.
Irdia Freelancer	Posted - 2010.06.29 22:17:00 - [12] Can always be like Joe above. Its players like them who are keeping mission completion times padded, ie boosting my lp. Keep farming them missions. I'll blitz, make more isk with a lower skilled char in a lesser fit. At least I'm working at trying to reduce my isk income. Joe just wants to maximise my income by continuing to pad mission completion times. I think thats mighty nice of 'm. Missioning is about isk. Lp has value. Comes down to what value you think lp has, and what value you covert your lp at. If you think lp has no value, convert it at really low values, then mission farming is for you and will make you happy. If you think more isk can be earner per lp then earning lp can be more important while still earning bounties mission reward/bonus. Eg the drone mission i mentioned. In Hi-sec I run that. A null sec agent will probably give 15,000 lp for the same mission. But the question is, how much is that agents lp worth? If its only worth say 400 isk/lp, then the 10 min for the mission will convert to 400 isk x 15,000 = 6 mil, plus the reward/bonus of 3 mil = 9 mil in 10 min. 6x 9 = 54 mil/hour. Even at a terrible 400 isk/lp thats a drone mission well worth doing in low/null sec yet all drone missions not worth doing. It gets to the stage that players reject missions on principle and not for isk reasons. In the same way, players look at bounties only, see some missions with bounties so decide they are great isk earners to farm when in fact there are better, much better.
DeMichael Crimson Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2010.06.30 00:39:00 - [13] If it's an easy, quick low pay mission, just complete it. Try to save the declines for 'certain' missions like ones against major Factions, etc. Unless you don't care about the other Factions then go for them all. Bottom line is the higher standings you get with agent, the better mission offers and rewards you'll get. Now about placing a price on LP's. I don't know how people get the price amount per LP since LP's can not be sold, traded or given away. Also the amount of LP's gained will vary depending on social skills. Now if LP's is what you're after, complete those missions you consider lousy as soon as you can. More missions completed per hour = more LP's per hour. As for time being spent to do a mission, it's going to take you longer than 10 minutes. Count on that. It takes a couple of minutes just to talk to agent. That includes asking, accepting and completing mission as well as docking and undocking from station. Then there's travel time across systems and jumping through gates which takes a couple of minutes per system. Hopefully there isn't any acceleration gates in the mission or it's going to take even longer. So if the mission is 3 systems away, that's 2 minutes per system for travel = 6 minutes plus another 2 minutes to talk to agent and if mission area has acceleration gates might as well add another 2 minutes to the time. Total time now is 10 minutes and that doesn't include the actual combat or retrieving mission objectives. Add another 10 to 20 minutes at least for that. Now the basic average time spent doing a 'quick' mission is about 30 minutes, give or take 10. Payment for missions depends on the players social skills as well as standing with the agent and agent level/quality. It always bothers me when players say they make super huge amounts of ISK per hour on an avg when in fact they fail to include all the other variables associated with the mission. If you're tired of getting the same mission offers, try a different agent Division, maybe a different location. Train up social skills if needed. Variety is and always will be the spice of life.
Darth Zaruln	Posted - 2010.06.30 01:47:00 - [14] Originally by: DeMichael Crimson Now about placing a price on LP's. I don't know how people get the price amount per LP since LP's can not be sold, traded or given away. Also the amount of LP's gained will vary depending on social skills. Now if LP's is what you're after, complete those missions you consider lousy as soon as you can. More missions completed per hour = more LP's per hour. Uh LPs are spent at the LP store of the npc corp you earn them with. First icon for the station functions on the right side when in station by default setup. LP to ISK conversion is easy to figure out after that. Also any timing after first mission is very easy as wallet tells what time mission completion pay was given. So time between payouts is how long it took for a mission. Otherwise just right down the time from accept by the time displayed in the lower left of the screen. Wallet will tell the ending time.
Malcanis Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.06.30 02:36:00 - [15] Originally by: Zemkhoff For some reason i keep getting spammed with the same group of missions over and over. Usually i get Intercept the Saboteurs (gurista), Right Hand of Zazzamatazz, Attack of the Drones, Stop the Thief and sometimes Angels Extravaganza. For example, yesterday I checked my two agents, and seeing they had the crappy low lp, low bounty missions i listed above i declined both of them. Both of them gave me Intercept the Saboteurs, so i went to another agent and I also got Intercept the Saboteurs. Wut? It's been a while since ive seen worlds collide or guristas extravaganza, so what gives? The only one I'd skip of those is the drone one. Saboteurs had a decent amount of bounty, Zazz takes about 2 minutes, so it's good ISK/Hr, Thief takes about 6-7 minutes and I guess is not the greatest, but eh, and AE 4 is pretty sweet. Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.
Misanthra	Posted - 2010.06.30 03:34:00 - [16] change agents, change styles. Or just grind the crap missions. 3 million for a mission 3 million you didn't have before.
Sir Livingston	Posted - 2010.06.30 05:12:00 - [17] Intercept the Saboteurs, eh? Does this help? >.< http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hBhoaHvHPc But seriously, i've never had 3 agents all give me the same mission before. Not ever 2 agents with the same mission. Your situation must be rare.
DeMichael Crimson Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2010.06.30 05:56:00 - [18] Originally by: Darth Zaruln Originally by: DeMichael Crimson Now about placing a price on LP's. I don't know how people get the price amount per LP since LP's can not be sold, traded or given away. Also the amount of LP's gained will vary depending on social skills. Now if LP's is what you're after, complete those missions you consider lousy as soon as you can. More missions completed per hour = more LP's per hour. Uh LPs are spent at the LP store of the npc corp you earn them with. First icon for the station functions on the right side when in station by default setup. LP to ISK conversion is easy to figure out after that. Also any timing after first mission is very easy as wallet tells what time mission completion pay was given. So time between payouts is how long it took for a mission. Otherwise just right down the time from accept by the time displayed in the lower left of the screen. Wallet will tell the ending time. Already know about LP's and where to use them at. As for setting a price on them, I don't care what you say, you still can't set a price on LP's since the amount of LP's earned will vary to each players social skills. I mentioned the time for completing missions because I see a lot of players say they can do missions within 10 minutes which is false if you add in all the mission variables/conditions.
Patrice Macmahon Department of Defence	Posted - 2010.06.30 06:01:00 - [19] As stated up here, stop declining missions. For some reason it feels like the more you decline a particular mission or sets of missions, the more likely you are to get those missions to come up. Also consider swapping out the type of agent your running (from command to say Survelance or Internal Security), that can help out quite a bit. I don't get any Gone Berserks from my Lv IV command agent, but my Survelence Agent kicks em out every 4th or 5th mission. Blitz the crappy ones, youll save more time than declining and slowboating 2 or 3 systems down waiting for that perfect mish from the perfect agent. The Intakis have an obligation to defend the Federation, but not to assult others on its behalf.
Pookie McPook	Posted - 2010.06.30 07:12:00 - [20] I always seem to get a Blockade, Extravaganza or Gone Beserk when I've only got an hour left to play. Sometimes I think CCP have my life bugged and do it just to upset me. /twitch. -----
Malcanis Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.06.30 10:04:00 - [21] Originally by: Pookie McPook I always seem to get a Blockade, Extravaganza or Gone Beserk when I've only got an hour left to play. Sometimes I think CCP have my life bugged and do it just to upset me. /twitch. You should be able to complete both of those in an hour. Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.
Drichter	Posted - 2010.06.30 10:50:00 - [22] Originally by: DeMichael Crimson As for setting a price on them, I don't care what you say, you still can't set a price on LP's since the amount of LP's earned will vary to each players social skills. Of course you can! You just said it yourself ... the social skills just vary the amount you will get per mission. The prices in the LP-Store are fix. 5k LP (plus some other stuff) for 5k Factionmissiles for example. That's not gonna change even with alls social skills on lvl 5. Of course you have to put a little effort in calculations first to find something worthwhile to sell. But that may be too much.
Pookie McPook	Posted - 2010.06.30 11:04:00 - [23] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Pookie McPook I always seem to get a Blockade, Extravaganza or Gone Beserk when I've only got an hour left to play. Sometimes I think CCP have my life bugged and do it just to upset me. /twitch. You should be able to complete both of those in an hour. Sure the pewnage is over and done but one's Salvacaine moves so slowly don't you know. -----
Polly Prissypantz Dingleberry Appreciation Society	Posted - 2010.06.30 12:57:00 - [24] Originally by: Pookie McPook Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Pookie McPook I always seem to get a Blockade, Extravaganza or Gone Beserk when I've only got an hour left to play. Sometimes I think CCP have my life bugged and do it just to upset me. /twitch. You should be able to complete both of those in an hour. Sure the pewnage is over and done but one's Salvacaine moves so slowly don't you know. Given the choice between running any of those 3 missions without looting, or not running them at all, you're still better off just running them (unless of course you have something more constructive to do in that hour). You can also accept any of the above missions, clear most of the spawns, come back after DT and clear it again. You might even still get the time bonus. Basically what I'm saying is, don't pass up a mission that pays good bounties just because you don't have time to loot it afterwards. Even Gone Berserk pays well without the loot (although looting is definitely worth it on GB).
Backho	Posted - 2010.06.30 13:06:00 - [25] Intercept the Saboteurs (gurista) 13 minutes ISK/hour at 1k isk/LP 54.8 M isk/hour Right Hand of Zazzamatazz 7 minutes ISK/hour at 1k isk/LP 45.9M isk/hour Attack of the Drones 8 minutes ISK/hour at 1k isk/LP 54.5M isk/hour Stop the Thief 7 minutes ISK/hour at 1k isk/LP 47.5M isk/hour Angels Extravaganza. 29 minutes ISK/hour at 1k isk/LP 59.5M isk/hour numbers does not count loot, reward and LP with lv 4 negotiation, lv 4 connections . No complaints here. The only mission you should complain is Silence the informant, Enemies abound and courrier missions
Paradox H Caldari Immortalis Inc.	Posted - 2010.06.30 14:17:00 - [26] I'm stunned. Can I assume that all you guys are using mission grinding as a means to raise ISK for whatever you actually play EvE for or do you just pimp your ships out to the max as a measure of success? Am not flaming, just interested as to the reason behind taking isk / hour calcs to such levels (albeit simple mathematics) Also if you're grinding missions for grinding's sake why not do every mission for a bit of variety rather than refusing the ones that you don't like? Just curious...
Lugalzagezi666	Posted - 2010.06.30 14:33:00 - [27] Decline all worthless missions, and if you dont get any good, you can still spend 4 hours waiting for another whining on forums.
QQ Noob	Posted - 2010.06.30 22:51:00 - [28] Confirming OP needs to QQ moar. HTFU and quit whining on the forums.
Elldranga	Posted - 2010.07.01 01:52:00 - [29] Originally by: Irdia Freelancer This is how some find their agents dont give many missions, as they reject them all. My agent gives around 60 different missions and I dont reject very many. Eg I'll reject a low sec delivery (2x in last 2 years) and I'll reject faction missions like enemies abound (only faction mission given). I make good isk on those poor missions that everyone claims aren't worth doing. But then I value lp, and get good isk for lp. If you dont value lp, get rubbish isk/lp, then maybe you could look for a better agent to get better lp? As I value lp, even using a lower isk/lp than I get like 2000 isk/lp, I can with low skilled chars (I'm still using best named T1 stuff, plus T2 drones) get 50+ mil/hour/char when missioning. You dont need a marauder, you dont need an expensive fit, you dont even have to look very hard for better lp. I actually use mostly crusier hulls to do lvl 4's. An ishtar with burner does over 500 m/sec, ie takes little time to move those longer distances than those using no burner on a battleship, then asking themselves why they take so long to mission? The odd poorer mission I may dip below 50 mil/hour/char doing, but on average I dont without rejecting the so-called poorer missions. Many of the so-called poorer missions are actually better returns but players are not smart enough to realise this as they have been rejecting them the whole time. Eg one drone mission I complete in 8 min for 7700 lp. Thats equiv of 15.4 mil in lp @ 2000 isk/lp, plus I get over 3 mil in reward/bonus. Thats over 18 mil value in 8 minutes. Even if you stretch that 8 min to 10 (maybe your higher skilled char with specialised lvl 4 running ship takes longer than an ishtar with drones and with civ pop gun), thats still 108 mil/hour/char doing that mission - but all drone missions aren't worth doing ... Of course I dont actually make as little as 2000 isk/lp ... but thats another story. I could be wrong, but weren't you the dude who keeps mistaking market income for LP income? I.e. using one of the various methods for cheap tags, and then e-peening about your mission income while getting laughed at by people who knew that you count incorrectly?
Irdia Freelancer	Posted - 2010.07.01 02:28:00 - [30] Originally by: Elldranga I could be wrong, but weren't you the dude who keeps mistaking market income for LP income? I.e. using one of the various methods for cheap tags, and then e-peening about your mission income while getting laughed at by people who knew that you count incorrectly? Yeah I'm the guy who thinks that if you buy a bunch of tags for 100,000 isk each, that it cost 100,000 isk each. And your one of those who has no idea what profit is or how to account for it. Instead your one of those that say, you paid 100,000 per tag, but lets put an imaginary 1,000,000 value on the tag so you made a 'trade' profit of 900,000 each without even using or selling it. You can find good company in prison with likes of Madoff. Why not put 1 billion isk per tag so you can make 999900000 profit per tag? Just by changing your accounts you could make yourself billions! If you dont actually sell it for 1 billion its not a profit. If you use it for manufacturing its not a profit till you sell it either. If you have a stock of tags, you use up the old tags (cost price), buy in new tags to replace your stock (replacement cost). Standard accounting practices for the last few hundred years uses cost in working out profit. You can trace the accounting methods we use today back to sucessful companies in the industrial revolution. The methods your using were used by the failures, and modern equivilents like Madoff which are now considered fraudulent.

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