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Oylmpia
Minmatar
Halinallen veroparatiisi
Inglorious Carebears
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Posted - 2010.06.30 19:29:00 -
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I finally thought I'd give a shot at L4 missions and went out first time with my 800mm AC Maelstrom. I tried a few missions and repeatedly the problem was elite frigs. Battleships and cruisers were easy pickings, but the frigates took ages and ages to kill after all the other ships had died.
On a few occasions the frigates aggroed my drones and blew up instantly, but when they targeted me I had no chance to hit them.
So is the only way to kill the frigs to train to T2 drones & other drone related skills?
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.06.30 19:32:00 -
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Not the only way, no, but by far the easiest and most convenient way (at least if you're in a battleship).
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Oylmpia
Minmatar
Halinallen veroparatiisi
Inglorious Carebears
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Posted - 2010.06.30 19:43:00 -
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I suppose I must sit yet another week in station spinning my ship around. Elite frigates aren't that big of a problem in L3's because there are so few of them around, but L4's seem to be filled with those speed tanking nasties :(
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Builder Robert
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Posted - 2010.06.30 19:45:00 -
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With a bit of luck I could get a few with 425mm rails on my Megathron from long range (before they got under my tracking that is) but I just got the scrammers/whatever I could rather than try and kill them all. Tech 2 drones really are the way to go unless you've got a spare account in a Destroyer or perhaps BC though I'm sure you could find better uses for a pilot than that.
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Exploding Tukey
Gallente
Capital Construction Research
Pioneer Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.30 19:51:00 -
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Having tech2 medium drones will benefit a lot of ships of almost every race, and I am sure every battleship and battle cruiser will do well with a set of Hammerheads II.
the training is not very long, Drones5, Scout Drone Operation5, Gallente Drone Spec 3, Combat Drone Operation 4, Drone Interfacing 4, Drone Navigation 4, Drone Sharpshooting 4, and Drone Durability to 3.
This takes a few weeks to train but you really dont need more then this and any gain to training higher then these skills is minimal. You will be using these skills on almost every ship you fly.
Keep in mind:
-Use the drones that do the type of dmg that the rats are weak to and use those, extra damage.
-If you are in a mission alone and you see a ship that is not targeting you, it is targeting your drones. Get your drones back to the ship ASAP, wait for everything to switch targets back to you if it is aggrod, and only then release the drones again.
-Have drones attack frigs while you attack battleships. you should not need the extra dps and the drones will slowly destroy frigs while you are busy.
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Seriously Bored
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.06.30 20:01:00 -
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Edited by: Seriously Bored on 30/06/2010 20:02:15
Since you're using an AC Maelstrom, I really suggest just using your guns.
Make sure frigs are the very first thing you shoot in any mission, and get them on approach when they're 20-30KM away and have low angular velocity. Any closer than 15KM, set your drones on them and start shooting something else.
In an AC ship, it's best to start with the smallest targets and work your way up. You'll be able to hit those BSes orbiting at 9KM easy, it's the frigs and cruisers that are the issue once they get close. So don't let them. 
ED: That said, good light and medium drone skills are an absolute necessity to run L4s properly. You should really work on T2 and Drone Interfacing IV.
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Oylmpia
Minmatar
Halinallen veroparatiisi
Inglorious Carebears
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Posted - 2010.06.30 20:05:00 -
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Thanks for the tips!
I suppose light drones are better at killing small frigates though, or do medium drones have good enough tracking, speed & gun signature radius to deal with them?
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Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.06.30 21:09:00 -
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Carry 5 light drones for frigs.
If you have room, add heavy drones if fighting Angels, otherwise sentries.
Sentries can also easily destroy frigates that haven't reached orbiting distance.
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Von Kapiche
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.06.30 21:23:00 -
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Shoot frigs if they're flying straight at you. Med drones chew through NPC AFs fine, mebbe faster than lights, what you might need a flight of lights for is NPC tacklers although even those don't seem to be any slower for my meds anyway.
Sentries are a bit of an issue with an AC Mael given it has to move and is horribly slow, meds are good enough.
You could also web 'em, but even that might not be enough to hit NPC inties with large ACs.
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Pookie McPook
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Posted - 2010.06.30 21:59:00 -
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 Originally by: Oylmpia
I finally thought I'd give a shot at L4 missions and went out first time with my 800mm AC Maelstrom. I tried a few missions and repeatedly the problem was elite frigs. Battleships and cruisers were easy pickings, but the frigates took ages and ages to kill after all the other ships had died.
On a few occasions the frigates aggroed my drones and blew up instantly, but when they targeted me I had no chance to hit them.
So is the only way to kill the frigs to train to T2 drones & other drone related skills?
Try fitting artys until you have T2 drones then you can snipe them on incoming when they have very low transversals.
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Lunewrath
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.07.01 00:41:00 -
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Edited by: Lunewrath on 01/07/2010 00:45:38
In a lot of the level 4's I run I am able to kill any frigs with my Apoc using Mega Pulse, you just need a bit of range and low transverse velocity and it should be no worries. The other times yeh, you need drones, it doesn't take long to get tech II variety and you should of been training for them as soon as you could of (cruiser+).
Edit: With proper control your drones will never get aggroed and consequently blown up. Some missions they will auto aggro all groups but that's where this comes in.
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IR Seriouscat
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.07.01 02:14:00 -
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T2 drones are absolutely not necessary, Hobgoblin I's do a good job. All you need is drones 5 and few support skills at 3 to kill elite frigates, shouldn't take too long to train.
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Vicky Somers
Caldari
Rusty Anchor
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Posted - 2010.07.01 03:41:00 -
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I don't do missions very often but when I run lvl4s I usually do 'em in a rail rokh. Takes out frigates in one volley from 70km away. Otherwise, just use drones.
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XenosisReaper
Rising Ashes Inc.
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Posted - 2010.07.01 12:18:00 -
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Originally by: Vicky Somers
I don't do missions very often but when I run lvl4s I usually do 'em in a rail rokh. Takes out frigates in one volley from 70km away. Otherwise, just use drones.
Rokh + Missions = Fail
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GankuVerymuch
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Posted - 2010.07.01 20:29:00 -
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Flying into mission in a ship with a drone bay and no drones is kinda like flying out with 5 ac and empty gun slots on that Mael of yours.
If it has a drone bay use it. You start with the big targets and work ur way down. Drones start small and work their way up.
T2 drones all day(you will use them and it's nice to have the extra dps, anyone who says no is crazy)
If u can catch the frigs on approach u can instapop them with decent skills. In my Apoc I rarely have to use drones stuff dies so fast, but when I need them I have em.
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Xenuria
Gallente
Marcabian 5th Invasion Fleet
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Posted - 2010.07.02 00:31:00 -
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Originally by: Oylmpia
I finally thought I'd give a shot at L4 missions and went out first time with my 800mm AC Maelstrom. I tried a few missions and repeatedly the problem was elite frigs. Battleships and cruisers were easy pickings, but the frigates took ages and ages to kill after all the other ships had died.
On a few occasions the frigates aggroed my drones and blew up instantly, but when they targeted me I had no chance to hit them.
So is the only way to kill the frigs to train to T2 drones & other drone related skills?
if you cant hit frigs you have no reason to be doing level 4 missions.
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Fieraen
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Posted - 2010.07.02 04:21:00 -
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CNR + Rigors + Target Painter = two volley elite NPC frigates
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Misanthra
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Posted - 2010.07.02 15:27:00 -
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T2 drones help but....t1 fine. key to drones is release them after your tanky bs has ****ed off nearby enemies. And watch waves (if mission/room with waves, wipe 1st wave, call em back, get aggro again, release, repeat next wave).
Also can speed up missions since you can burn the candle at both ends so to speak. Ship kills ships, drones kill frigs. Usually at some point the frigs all gone and can sick the drones on the bigger ships. Personally after frigs dead, sick mediums on cruisers since on my caldari missile ships they amo eaters as well with thier speed limiting dps of the volley.
T2 drones are worth the train though since at some point on mission ships you will reach a dps plateau. Weapons specialization, weapons support skills or bs 5....2-3 weeks in drones training gets you dps much faster.
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Amarante Idama
Gallente
Drunken Armed Pilots
G String University
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Posted - 2010.07.02 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: Builder Robert
With a bit of luck I could get a few with 425mm rails on my Megathron from long range (before they got under my tracking that is) but I just got the scrammers/whatever I could rather than try and kill them all. Tech 2 drones really are the way to go unless you've got a spare account in a Destroyer or perhaps BC though I'm sure you could find better uses for a pilot than that.
As someone who flies a BC my method of dealing with frigates is drones same as a BS. The only small ships I can kill reasonably well with guns are destroyers. A BC would be a terrible choice for frigate killing.
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Oylmpia
Minmatar
Halinallen veroparatiisi
Inglorious Carebears
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Posted - 2010.07.02 16:14:00 -
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Originally by: Xenuria
if you cant hit frigs you have no reason to be doing level 4 missions.
I don't really care about what people are supposed to do or not to do. Eve is a free game. I was merely asking for advice how to deal with the frigs, thank you.
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Kephael
Caldari
SERENDIPITY INC
R-I-P
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Posted - 2010.07.02 22:07:00 -
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Originally by: Oylmpia
Originally by: Xenuria
if you cant hit frigs you have no reason to be doing level 4 missions.
I don't really care about what people are supposed to do or not to do. Eve is a free game. I was merely asking for advice how to deal with the frigs, thank you.
You kill them with drones.
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.07.03 15:53:00 -
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light drones < medium drones because of their speed. More "effective" DPS in most cases.
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Party Scout
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Posted - 2010.07.03 16:04:00 -
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You can always fit light missiles on your CNR to deal with them... Or small pulse lasers on your nightmare.
Drones are not the only method of dealing with them, but they are the most effective without messing up your DPS fit. But you do not need to spend millions of skill points into drone skills. Drones 5 (to launch 5 drones), scout drone operation 5 (for tech 2 light/med drones), any drone specialization to 3-4, drone interfacing 4 for some decent damage, and a couple of other drone support skills to 4 is fine. That will be plenty for decent tech 2 drones.
And yeah, if you can launch 5 meds, they are better than 5 lights at taking down frigs. They are quite speedy too.
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Svetdana
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Posted - 2010.07.03 23:08:00 -
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Target painter's can help immensley. I run a lot of wh sites class 3+, drones are generally not an option, they get rocked pretty fast. Used to do the lvl 4 missions, with drones.
Target painter on a battle cruiser, helps kill everything but battleships (including gun/missile stationaries). Works absolute wonders on the frigates.. if you are in a BS, may need 2 of em to make any huge difference to a frigate. (yes, target painters stack)
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Makko Gray
Gallente
Nexus Aerospace Corporation
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2010.07.04 09:28:00 -
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Edited by: Makko Gray on 04/07/2010 09:30:43
You could fly a domi and mix up by using large drones to kill bs and cruisers and fit small guns for the frigs! 
Seriously though drones are easiest - only other ways to do it with turrets and missiles if your having trouble at the moment is target painters and take them out at range before tracking becomes an issue and maybe have some webs for it they get close but then you start devoting slots just to help you against small ships rather than the big ones that will damage you the most.
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Xenuria
Gallente
Marcabian 5th Invasion Fleet
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Posted - 2010.07.04 17:46:00 -
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OR...
You can train your combat skills
Motion Prediction 4 or 5
sharpshooter 3
having these skills will mean you can kill frigs even with the largest guns. Thats assuming your arent level 1 on everything related to the gun your useing.
You guys have it backwards really. Its harder to kill big ships with small turrets then it is to kill small ships with really big turrets. Because in order to get the big guns you presumably need to train what I call competence skills.
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Kerr avonn
Minmatar
Fine Red Mist
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Posted - 2010.07.05 09:10:00 -
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Originally by: Xenuria
if you cant hit frigs you have no reason to be doing level 4 missions.
May i make a suggestion? SHUT IT GOBBY!!
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AstarothPrime
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Posted - 2010.07.05 11:29:00 -
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I use drake with 7 missile bays and frigs also gave me trouble, my advice would be:
0) Train "Guided Missile Precision" and "Target Navigation Prediction" both to lev 3 will suffice
1) Clear the field from larger punchers - frigs dont do much dmg so u can tank them for like forever without noticing...
2) Take out drones and focus on one frig - it goes down rather fast...
3) For better efficiency swap to T2 high precision missiles after no larger ship is around - works like miracles
(having GMP and TNP at 5 + T2 precision missiles x 7 - kills elite frigs in 3 salves... seen it before started training those skills from a mate)
Regards
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Miang Sun
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Posted - 2010.07.05 13:38:00 -
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Edited by: Miang Sun on 05/07/2010 13:39:24
There are some nasty tacklers that the mediums can't hit well or at all although sometimes you can kill the same even with heavies usually when something goes wrong with their orbiting and they stop buzzing around you for a moment. Thats when my Ogres IIs tend to kill them in one salvo.
The Angel and Merc tacklers are the harder to hit and I think 9 out of 10 missions with those will throw at least webs at you. Meanwhile Serpentis tacklers who are the easiest to deal with IMO can be dispatched easily with either meds or heavies most of the time. So keep that in mind.
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Takseen
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Posted - 2010.07.05 13:54:00 -
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Originally by: Xenuria
OR...
You can train your combat skills
Motion Prediction 4 or 5
sharpshooter 3
having these skills will mean you can kill frigs even with the largest guns.
On the off chance this isn't a troll, no, you can't kill frigs with the largest guns even with all Vs, except when they're burning directly towards you with 0 traversal. Once they've got to sub-5km orbit range and have you webbed down, even the short range family(pulses/blasters/ACs) of large guns haven't a hope of hitting them.
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