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Joethelions Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2010.07.01 00:59:00 - [1] Hi guys joethelions here or JTL for short. i havent posted in a while due to rl stuff(such as grounded cause of getting a D in prealgebra :(:(:(:( ) but im back with more great ideas. anyway i have noticed that rite now that some batelships are somewhat underpowered in comparing to other races. for example, i will point to you tier 3 battleships. compare the four ships and the bonuses they receive for tanking: hyperion: 37.5 % rep bonus rokh: 25% shield resist bonus abaddon: 25% armor resist bonus maelstrom: 37.5% shield booster bonus now u will realize that their are some obvious problems inherent with this. Hyperion gets 37.5% bonus while abaddon only gets 25%???? its simple math people, the bonuses are just plain skewed in favor of minmatar and gallente. the rokh is somewhat balanced becaused shield bonuses are inherently better than armor bonuses(becaues they recharge over time), but the abaddon is just plain underpowered. futhermore, the abaddon is not capable of fitting a good active armor tank at all, while the hyperion can fit more than 3 or more reps no problem. i am suggesting that ccp change abaddons bonus to 37.5% rep bonus so that is inline with other batelships and just as good at pvp as the hyperion(for those of you who dont pvp, activate tank is far suprerior to buffer tank). i am having issues with how ccp can be so blatently skewed in gallente favor. even though gallente suffer from lack of dps issues, there large active tank more than makes up for it and gives them an obvious advatnage over any race in pvp. feel free 2 comment, etc. JTL
Isil Rahsen Gallente Ferrum Superum	Posted - 2010.07.01 01:00:00 - [2] Edited by: Isil Rahsen on 01/07/2010 01:01:26 nice troll bro
Felix Esperium Lysergic Distortions Research and Development	Posted - 2010.07.01 01:02:00 - [3] you should use a browser with built in spell check.
Barkaial Starfinder Minmatar Conflagration.	Posted - 2010.07.01 01:04:00 - [4] "cause of getting a D in prealgebra" Hmm I start to see the pieces fit.
Lucious Desire	Posted - 2010.07.01 01:06:00 - [5] Originally by: Joethelions Hi guys joethelions here or JTL for short. i havent posted in a while due to rl stuff(such as grounded cause of getting a D in prealgebra :(:(:(:( ) but im back with more great ideas. anyway i have noticed that rite now that some batelships are somewhat underpowered in comparing to other races. for example, i will point to you tier 3 battleships. compare the four ships and the bonuses they receive for tanking: hyperion: 37.5 % rep bonus rokh: 25% shield resist bonus abaddon: 25% armor resist bonus maelstrom: 37.5% shield booster bonus now u will realize that their are some obvious problems inherent with this. Hyperion gets 37.5% bonus while abaddon only gets 25%???? its simple math people, the bonuses are just plain skewed in favor of minmatar and gallente. the rokh is somewhat balanced becaused shield bonuses are inherently better than armor bonuses(becaues they recharge over time), but the abaddon is just plain underpowered. futhermore, the abaddon is not capable of fitting a good active armor tank at all, while the hyperion can fit more than 3 or more reps no problem. i am suggesting that ccp change abaddons bonus to 37.5% rep bonus so that is inline with other batelships and just as good at pvp as the hyperion(for those of you who dont pvp, activate tank is far suprerior to buffer tank). i am having issues with how ccp can be so blatently skewed in gallente favor. even though gallente suffer from lack of dps issues, there large active tank more than makes up for it and gives them an obvious advatnage over any race in pvp. feel free 2 comment, etc. JTL Eh?
Night Epoch Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive	Posted - 2010.07.01 01:06:00 - [6] Sorry to hear of your D in pre-algebra bro. :( :( :( :( :( :(
Rasquel Aura of Darkness Dead Terrorists	Posted - 2010.07.01 01:13:00 - [7] Originally by: Joethelions ... but im back with more great ideas. ... That's a negative, Ghost Rider.
Elise Randolph Habitual Euthanasia Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2010.07.01 02:01:00 - [8] This guy is so awesome I don't even. --- Sup~
Washell Olivaw	Posted - 2010.07.01 02:01:00 - [9] Originally by: Joethelions getting a D in prealgebra its simple math people Yeah... I'm not sure your math skills are up to determining balance issues. Originally by: Signature Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
Elldranga	Posted - 2010.07.01 02:19:00 - [10] Originally by: Joethelions Hi guys joethelions here or JTL for short. i havent posted in a while due to rl stuff(such as grounded cause of getting a D in prealgebra :(:(:(:( ) but im back with more great ideas. anyway i have noticed that rite now that some batelships are somewhat underpowered in comparing to other races. for example, i will point to you tier 3 battleships. compare the four ships and the bonuses they receive for tanking: hyperion: 37.5 % rep bonus rokh: 25% shield resist bonus abaddon: 25% armor resist bonus maelstrom: 37.5% shield booster bonus now u will realize that their are some obvious problems inherent with this. Hyperion gets 37.5% bonus while abaddon only gets 25%???? its simple math people, the bonuses are just plain skewed in favor of minmatar and gallente. the rokh is somewhat balanced becaused shield bonuses are inherently better than armor bonuses(becaues they recharge over time), but the abaddon is just plain underpowered. futhermore, the abaddon is not capable of fitting a good active armor tank at all, while the hyperion can fit more than 3 or more reps no problem. i am suggesting that ccp change abaddons bonus to 37.5% rep bonus so that is inline with other batelships and just as good at pvp as the hyperion(for those of you who dont pvp, activate tank is far suprerior to buffer tank). i am having issues with how ccp can be so blatently skewed in gallente favor. even though gallente suffer from lack of dps issues, there large active tank more than makes up for it and gives them an obvious advatnage over any race in pvp. feel free 2 comment, etc. JTL Mmmmmm troll hints at 7th grade education... too obvious imo.

Joethelions Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2010.07.01 02:21:00 - [11] Originally by: Washell Olivaw Originally by: Joethelions getting a D in prealgebra its simple math people Yeah... I'm not sure your math skills are up to determining balance issues. it doesnt take mathmatician to know 37.5 is more than 25 ;)
Felix Esperium Lysergic Distortions Research and Development	Posted - 2010.07.01 02:24:00 - [12] the hilarious part is that you think the rep bonus is better than the resist bonus.
Xindi Kraid White Knight's Production inc.	Posted - 2010.07.01 02:31:00 - [13] Originally by: Joethelions Originally by: Washell Olivaw Originally by: Joethelions getting a D in prealgebra its simple math people Yeah... I'm not sure your math skills are up to determining balance issues. it doesnt take mathmatician to know 37.5 is more than 25 ;) I think I have figured out why you did poorly at math and why this thread is terrible. You haven't been paying enough attention to units. The 25 is a resist bonus, the 37 is a repair bonus. They are different things; in fact the resistance bonus is actually a bit better for PvP since it benefits buffer tanks by reducing damage. -Xindi Kraid: Delivering acerbic wit and scathing comments with just a dash of 'stab you in the eye'
Nicholas Barker Black Nova Corp IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.07.01 02:33:00 - [14] Originally by: Joethelions Hi guys joethelions here I have a slight feeling this is just the first of a long line of **** threads this guy is gunna post. ------ 0800-LAG-A-NODE
Felix Esperium Lysergic Distortions Research and Development	Posted - 2010.07.01 02:43:00 - [15] Originally by: Nicholas Barker I have a slight feeling this is just the first of a long line of **** threads this guy is gunna post. 2ekrid2?
Barkaial Starfinder Minmatar Conflagration.	Posted - 2010.07.01 02:49:00 - [16] OHNOES please no
Rhinanna Minmatar Volition Cult The Volition Cult	Posted - 2010.07.01 02:52:00 - [17] I'll be nice and assume this isn't a troll (probably stupidly) 37.5% repair bonus vs 25% resist bonus Now consider what a resist bonus affects: 25% Local rep bonus 25% Remote rep bonus 25% Buffer tank bonus 25% Passive tank bonus Not only that but given buffer tanked ships are the only ones worth taking in any PvP that involves more than 3 per side this comes out vastly in favour of the resist bonus. The only time the rep bonus is at all better is for solo PvE, in any group PvE you'll probably be remote repping to the resist bonus wins again. -The sword is only as sharp as the one who wields it. Drenzul (My normal internet tag)
Joethelions Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2010.07.01 03:03:00 - [18] Originally by: Rhinanna I'll be nice and assume this isn't a troll (probably stupidly) 37.5% repair bonus vs 25% resist bonus Now consider what a resist bonus affects: 25% Local rep bonus 25% Remote rep bonus 25% Buffer tank bonus 25% Passive tank bonus Not only that but given buffer tanked ships are the only ones worth taking in any PvP that involves more than 3 per side this comes out vastly in favour of the resist bonus. The only time the rep bonus is at all better is for solo PvE, in any group PvE you'll probably be remote repping to the resist bonus wins again. i find it somewhat hard to believe that throwing plates on a ship will make you last longer THAN ACTUALLY REPAIRING IT have you ever DONE pvp?? you should chekc out some of the videos in my eve, those guys know how to do it.
Felix Esperium Lysergic Distortions Research and Development	Posted - 2010.07.01 03:05:00 - [19] Originally by: Joethelions i find it somewhat hard to believe that throwing plates on a ship will make you last longer THAN ACTUALLY REPAIRING IT have you ever DONE pvp?? you should chekc out some of the videos in my eve, those guys know how to do it. too obvious
Zaron King	Posted - 2010.07.01 03:14:00 - [20] obvious troll is obvious, but for the rest of the noobs that might read this, 25% resist bonus = 1 / 0.75 = 33.3% repair bonus, 33.3% hp bonus, and 33.3% incoming remote repair bonus.

Rhinanna Minmatar Volition Cult The Volition Cult	Posted - 2010.07.01 03:16:00 - [21] Ok, I'm going to keep assuming you have no idea about PvP and that you aren't a troll. Shield booster (assuming you have the cap to perma run it) Adds about 250 def on a BC with a mid sized booster. Large shield extender (standard for cruisers really) will add 6-8K EHP. So, you need to survive 24-32 seconds for the booster to be better. You don't survive that long with 5 enemy ships shooting you. Of course the shield booster will normally run you out of cap in under a minute, will mean you have no cap for MWD, warp scramblers, ewar e.t.c. And of course if the enemy is neuting you its even worse.... Oh and you can stack plates/extenders, you can't effectively stack reppers cos of cap. There are a few effective rep fits but only for very small gang warfare. -The sword is only as sharp as the one who wields it. Drenzul (My normal internet tag)
ShahFluffers Gallente Ice Fire Warriors	Posted - 2010.07.01 03:16:00 - [22] Originally by: Joethelions i find it somewhat hard to believe that throwing plates on a ship will make you last longer THAN ACTUALLY REPAIRING IT have you ever DONE pvp?? you should chekc out some of the videos in my eve, those guys know how to do it. Come to the 3rd station in Auga in a Hyperion. My Abaddon would like to have a word with you. _______________________ "Just because I look like an idiot doesn't mean I am one." ~Unknown
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.07.01 03:16:00 - [23] Edited by: Akita T on 01/07/2010 03:20:31 Originally by: Joethelions Originally by: Rhinanna +37.5% repair bonus vs -25% resist bonus Now consider what a resist bonus affects: ~~25%~~ +33.33% Local rep bonus ~~25%~~ +33.33% Remote rep bonus ~~25%~~ +33.33% Buffer tank bonus ~~25%~~ +33.33% Passive tank bonus Not only that but given buffer tanked ships are the only ones worth taking in any PvP that involves more than 3 per side this comes out vastly in favour of the resist bonus. The only time the rep bonus is at all better is for solo PvE, in any group PvE you'll probably be remote repping to the resist bonus wins again. i find it somewhat hard to believe that throwing plates on a ship will make you last longer THAN ACTUALLY REPAIRING IT Ok, let's take a LAR-II, for instance, base stats 800 HP repaired every 15 seconds, every 11.25 seconds with max skills, or 71.11 HP/second. With a +37.5% repper bonus, before the REST of the resists bonuses for armor, that's 97.77 HP/second. With a -25% resists bonus, again before the REST of the armor resists, an equivalent 94.81 HP/second effective. Assuming the fight lasts a very, VERY long 5 minutes, the actual difference in performance would be a mere 888.88 HP less for the resists fit... which would mean that the armor HP of the battleship would have had to be LESS than 2666.66 HP to begin with for the repper bonus to be better overall... which is kind of very unlikely for just about any battleship. A repper amount bonus is only ever so slightly better for some specific PvE situations and extremely drawn-out PvP, but a resists bonus is almost universally better. If anything, in your so-called example, it's the Rokh and Abaddon that are ever so slightly overpowered, tanking-wise, NOT the Hyperion nor the Maelstrom. P.S. Even if this was an obvious troll (I mean, come on, opening up with "I suck at math"), we can't have people being even intentionally wrong on the internets, now can we ? _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Joethelions Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2010.07.01 03:17:00 - [24] Originally by: ShahFluffers Originally by: Joethelions i find it somewhat hard to believe that throwing plates on a ship will make you last longer THAN ACTUALLY REPAIRING IT have you ever DONE pvp?? you should chekc out some of the videos in my eve, those guys know how to do it. Come to the 3rd station in Auga in a Hyperion. My Abaddon would like to have a word with you. k can i send my friend instead she flies a hyperion better than i do
Erin Davis Caldari Dark Legion Society	Posted - 2010.07.01 03:17:00 - [25] Why dear why do I bother opening these topics.
Xindi Kraid White Knight's Production inc.	Posted - 2010.07.01 03:20:00 - [26] Originally by: Joethelions i find it somewhat hard to believe that throwing plates on a ship will make you last longer THAN ACTUALLY REPAIRING IT have you ever DONE pvp?? you should chekc out some of the videos in my eve, those guys know how to do it. We're sorry, but, unfortunately, you have exceeded your fail quota for the evening. We're going to have to ask you to leave the forums now. please report to the nearest gatecamp and do no return for at least 3 days. -Xindi Kraid: Delivering acerbic wit and scathing comments with just a dash of 'stab you in the eye'
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2010.07.01 04:21:00 - [27] prepubescent troll is obvious This is clearly a signature.
Issaries Valran Caldari	Posted - 2010.07.01 04:24:00 - [28] I don't know what is wrong with you. Are you even playing the same game the rest of us are? Have you ever been in a pvp fight? Do you know fly a ship? I'd trade the 37.5% shield rep bonus on my maelstrom for a 25% shield resist bonus any day of the week. Hell I'd trade the 37.5% shield rep bonus for a 20% shield resist bonus. Resist beats out rep in 90% of the situations you may find yourself in.

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Darkwolf Caldari TOG Empire DRACONIAN COVENANT	Posted - 2010.07.01 05:59:00 - [30] 4/10. You lost marks because of the followup, it lacked finesse. You were doing good with the first attempt, but then you went for too much at once and dropped the ball.



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