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Alex Harumichi	Posted - 2004.12.17 13:14:00 - [61] Originally by: Eatit You**** Are you taking into account NPC's uber tracking skills? Well, yeah, you have a point there: the ship you're orbiting won't hit you much, but their N buddies will. It's not that the NPC tracking is all that hot, it's just that there are usually so many of them. For missions I think assault frigates are the smarter choice nowadays, though some people report good results with normal-sized t2/named ABs (yes, really) on interceptors. Try it out, with a t2 ab you should get pretty good speeds, if it's still slower than heavy missiles you can always fit a smartbomb for missile defense. I intend to test some normal-size AB interceptor setups for missions when I have the time, just to see how they work (or don't). I use an Enyo for lvl3 missions, and with the new ABs I get speed of around 600... and even though that might sound slow it's enough to stop most of the big guns hitting me. Like I said, try it out, worst that can happen is that you lose one interceptor
Alex Harumichi	Posted - 2004.12.17 13:14:00 - [62] Originally by: Eatit You**** Are you taking into account NPC's uber tracking skills? Well, yeah, you have a point there: the ship you're orbiting won't hit you much, but their N buddies will. It's not that the NPC tracking is all that hot, it's just that there are usually so many of them. For missions I think assault frigates are the smarter choice nowadays, though some people report good results with normal-sized t2/named ABs (yes, really) on interceptors. Try it out, with a t2 ab you should get pretty good speeds, if it's still slower than heavy missiles you can always fit a smartbomb for missile defense. I intend to test some normal-size AB interceptor setups for missions when I have the time, just to see how they work (or don't). I use an Enyo for lvl3 missions, and with the new ABs I get speed of around 600... and even though that might sound slow it's enough to stop most of the big guns hitting me. Like I said, try it out, worst that can happen is that you lose one interceptor
Eyeshadow	Posted - 2004.12.17 13:26:00 - [63] why risk a ~15mil PVP ship on missions when they can be done in a fully insured ~6mil cruiser? I really dont see the argument against the nerf is cos ceptors cant run missions anymore. They are primarily designed for PVP, not fecking mission running. Forums: Sharks - MC
Eyeshadow	Posted - 2004.12.17 13:26:00 - [64] why risk a ~15mil PVP ship on missions when they can be done in a fully insured ~6mil cruiser? I really dont see the argument against the nerf is cos ceptors cant run missions anymore. They are primarily designed for PVP, not fecking mission running. Forums: Sharks - MC
Alex Harumichi	Posted - 2004.12.17 13:39:00 - [65] Originally by: Eyeshadow why risk a ~15mil PVP ship on missions when they can be done in a fully insured ~6mil cruiser? I really dont see the argument against the nerf is cos ceptors cant run missions anymore. They are primarily designed for PVP, not fecking mission running. Oh, I agree with you. Using an inty for missions is probably not ideal. I use my ~25m assault frigate purely because it's a fun ship to fly. If it goes boom (one has already) I learn from mistakes and buy a new ship. Insurance is for sane people. It's about fun, not about efficiency... and it's a nice way to learn how a ship handles.
Alex Harumichi	Posted - 2004.12.17 13:39:00 - [66] Originally by: Eyeshadow why risk a ~15mil PVP ship on missions when they can be done in a fully insured ~6mil cruiser? I really dont see the argument against the nerf is cos ceptors cant run missions anymore. They are primarily designed for PVP, not fecking mission running. Oh, I agree with you. Using an inty for missions is probably not ideal. I use my ~25m assault frigate purely because it's a fun ship to fly. If it goes boom (one has already) I learn from mistakes and buy a new ship. Insurance is for sane people. It's about fun, not about efficiency... and it's a nice way to learn how a ship handles.
Seto Mazzarotto	Posted - 2004.12.17 13:52:00 - [67] /me pets Crow with T2 MWD Only thing that'll hit it with regular efficiency sans web is a Destroyer. And that's what they're designed for. ----------- Fighting for the ideals of freespace, posthuman ethics, and rock & roll.
Seto Mazzarotto	Posted - 2004.12.17 13:52:00 - [68] /me pets Crow with T2 MWD Only thing that'll hit it with regular efficiency sans web is a Destroyer. And that's what they're designed for. ----------- Fighting for the ideals of freespace, posthuman ethics, and rock & roll.
Loka	Posted - 2004.12.17 13:59:00 - [69] Sorry but as mentioned above ... Ceptors are not the best NPC hunter Omg comon, imo anyon who use ceptors for anything else as for PvP suck 10 times. You could also start hauling in a Geddon full of cargoexpander. If you want to hunt NPC use something else. Or arent there enough options? _____________________________________ Dead or Alive
Loka	Posted - 2004.12.17 13:59:00 - [70] Sorry but as mentioned above ... Ceptors are not the best NPC hunter Omg comon, imo anyon who use ceptors for anything else as for PvP suck 10 times. You could also start hauling in a Geddon full of cargoexpander. If you want to hunt NPC use something else. Or arent there enough options? _____________________________________ Dead or Alive
Mao TseTung	Posted - 2004.12.17 15:23:00 - [71] You guys are all complaining about missile changing and the ex-domination of the crow and god knows what else. And yes, inties are quite capable of deadspace missions. Switch to a taranis with T2 ions. Crow isn't so hot anymore. I run Level 3 missions regularly with my taranis without a hitch. --------- The pen and the sword are inexorably linked.
Mao TseTung	Posted - 2004.12.17 15:23:00 - [72] You guys are all complaining about missile changing and the ex-domination of the crow and god knows what else. And yes, inties are quite capable of deadspace missions. Switch to a taranis with T2 ions. Crow isn't so hot anymore. I run Level 3 missions regularly with my taranis without a hitch. --------- The pen and the sword are inexorably linked.
X'Alor	Posted - 2004.12.17 15:49:00 - [73] Well I being a 1mn AB2 user to begin with am totally stoked about this patch and my crusader. I did loose the T2 pulse beams but the 1mn AB2 speed is now fast enough that it makes most guns miss when at smaller orbits without the sig penalty. I see my crusader being 10 times stronger with this patch. Thanks CCP you ROCK. Need to find that pile of modulated pulse beams I had though.
X'Alor	Posted - 2004.12.17 15:49:00 - [74] Well I being a 1mn AB2 user to begin with am totally stoked about this patch and my crusader. I did loose the T2 pulse beams but the 1mn AB2 speed is now fast enough that it makes most guns miss when at smaller orbits without the sig penalty. I see my crusader being 10 times stronger with this patch. Thanks CCP you ROCK. Need to find that pile of modulated pulse beams I had though.
MrMorph	Posted - 2004.12.22 16:51:00 - [75] Originally by: Shadowsword Deadspace missions aren't for interceptors, because: 1/You weren't supposed to fit oversized ABs. 2/MWDs doesn't work. Now the crow isn't almost intouchable anymore, so be happy, it's cost will probably drop. It havent been intouchable either. I fitt'ed 2x Mega Pulse, and 8x tracking mods on a scorp. (+ 2 sensorboosters), The ceptor was at 80 km.......click click......ooh.....the pod was at 80km....... ---------------------------------------------- Trishys cookies they are !
MrMorph	Posted - 2004.12.22 16:51:00 - [76] Originally by: Shadowsword Deadspace missions aren't for interceptors, because: 1/You weren't supposed to fit oversized ABs. 2/MWDs doesn't work. Now the crow isn't almost intouchable anymore, so be happy, it's cost will probably drop. It havent been intouchable either. I fitt'ed 2x Mega Pulse, and 8x tracking mods on a scorp. (+ 2 sensorboosters), The ceptor was at 80 km.......click click......ooh.....the pod was at 80km....... ---------------------------------------------- Trishys cookies they are !
Shayla Sh'inlux	Posted - 2004.12.22 17:30:00 - [77] Oh sweet. Quite an accomplishment. /sarcasm ------------------------------------------------------- "Do you really think that's air you're breathing?"
Shayla Sh'inlux	Posted - 2004.12.22 17:30:00 - [78] Oh sweet. Quite an accomplishment. /sarcasm ------------------------------------------------------- "Do you really think that's air you're breathing?"
OnDa Rag	Posted - 2004.12.22 19:03:00 - [79] For ya people saying that ceptors cant kill NPC rats . . . all I can say is that maybe YOUR skills are inefficient to kill rats in a ceptor. With the right skills and tactics a good taranis pilot can take on a 1mil+ BS spawn and escorts . . . and thats pre exodus. The new changes in AB now allow a well trained (there is that SKILL thing again) ceptor pilot to sustain 1km/s+ speeds indefinitely while firing gunz. With a low sig radius (ceptor level 4 and above), skills (speed boosting and cap efficiency skills to 4+) and good agility (fit that internal nanofiber/implant/whatever) the only real current threat from NPC's is missiles. That combined with good gunz (with the proper skills) and ammo make a ship thats very difficult to hit which can deal some WTFBBQ damage (averaging 75-100 w/ 200+ wrecking shots, with a shot every second). To sum it up: Just because you trained the ceptor skill doesn't mean you can fly a ceptor. If you are a ceptor pilot and unable to solo a level 4 complex or take on a BS spawn, then you either need to get some better fittings, train up your skills or rethink your tactics. Propulsion is fine . . . just take off that oversized AB (that is soooo Castor) and embrace the benefits of T2 ABs .
OnDa Rag	Posted - 2004.12.22 19:03:00 - [80] For ya people saying that ceptors cant kill NPC rats . . . all I can say is that maybe YOUR skills are inefficient to kill rats in a ceptor. With the right skills and tactics a good taranis pilot can take on a 1mil+ BS spawn and escorts . . . and thats pre exodus. The new changes in AB now allow a well trained (there is that SKILL thing again) ceptor pilot to sustain 1km/s+ speeds indefinitely while firing gunz. With a low sig radius (ceptor level 4 and above), skills (speed boosting and cap efficiency skills to 4+) and good agility (fit that internal nanofiber/implant/whatever) the only real current threat from NPC's is missiles. That combined with good gunz (with the proper skills) and ammo make a ship thats very difficult to hit which can deal some WTFBBQ damage (averaging 75-100 w/ 200+ wrecking shots, with a shot every second). To sum it up: Just because you trained the ceptor skill doesn't mean you can fly a ceptor. If you are a ceptor pilot and unable to solo a level 4 complex or take on a BS spawn, then you either need to get some better fittings, train up your skills or rethink your tactics. Propulsion is fine . . . just take off that oversized AB (that is soooo Castor) and embrace the benefits of T2 ABs .
Slithereen	Posted - 2004.12.23 07:16:00 - [81] My Crusader still goes 1.4km/s on a T2 afterburner. No sig and cap penalty, and I can have my low slots to either tank or gridded to carry larger weapons. It really works well on L3 deadspace missions such as the Serpentis Spies. _______________________________________________ "Is it me or the bad guys just getting totally pathetic?"---Clover, Totally Spies, "Hope is wasted on the Hopeless."---Mandy, The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy. "Stars are holes in the sky from which the light of the Infinite shine through."---Confucius.
Slithereen	Posted - 2004.12.23 07:16:00 - [82] My Crusader still goes 1.4km/s on a T2 afterburner. No sig and cap penalty, and I can have my low slots to either tank or gridded to carry larger weapons. It really works well on L3 deadspace missions such as the Serpentis Spies. _______________________________________________ "Is it me or the bad guys just getting totally pathetic?"---Clover, Totally Spies, "Hope is wasted on the Hopeless."---Mandy, The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy. "Stars are holes in the sky from which the light of the Infinite shine through."---Confucius.
Phades	Posted - 2004.12.23 10:18:00 - [83] Originally by: OnDa Rag To sum it up: Just because you trained the ceptor skill doesn't mean you can fly a ceptor. If you are a ceptor pilot and unable to solo a level 4 complex or take on a BS spawn, then you either need to get some better fittings, train up your skills or rethink your tactics. Propulsion is fine . . . just take off that oversized AB (that is soooo Castor) and embrace the benefits of T2 ABs . Not that ive flown interceptors, but i do know that not all complexes are created equal. I personally would be impressed by a ceptor pilot that could clear a pith gurista lv4 complex solo. I lost count of the number of moa, black birds, and carcals in the first area within firing range of the warp in point. It is a veritable omgwtfbbq of heavy missile spam. Although I can see how a interceptor could solo a serpentus(sp?) lv4 complex, considering it is two stroke with a very spread out and light assortment of cruisers and only one BS at the second stage. The thing still cheats tho moving at around 600m/s I hates the heavy missile batteries in the level 3 sansha complexes too, they should be named frig be gone hitting for close to 400 damage.
Phades	Posted - 2004.12.23 10:18:00 - [84] Originally by: OnDa Rag To sum it up: Just because you trained the ceptor skill doesn't mean you can fly a ceptor. If you are a ceptor pilot and unable to solo a level 4 complex or take on a BS spawn, then you either need to get some better fittings, train up your skills or rethink your tactics. Propulsion is fine . . . just take off that oversized AB (that is soooo Castor) and embrace the benefits of T2 ABs . Not that ive flown interceptors, but i do know that not all complexes are created equal. I personally would be impressed by a ceptor pilot that could clear a pith gurista lv4 complex solo. I lost count of the number of moa, black birds, and carcals in the first area within firing range of the warp in point. It is a veritable omgwtfbbq of heavy missile spam. Although I can see how a interceptor could solo a serpentus(sp?) lv4 complex, considering it is two stroke with a very spread out and light assortment of cruisers and only one BS at the second stage. The thing still cheats tho moving at around 600m/s I hates the heavy missile batteries in the level 3 sansha complexes too, they should be named frig be gone hitting for close to 400 damage.

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