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ghosttr
Amarr
Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium
Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.07.02 21:56:00 -
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I think with the proliferation of bombers and faction friggies it would be cool to have a logistics ship that could keep up and provide support.
The cruiser sized logistics are too slow (and too expensive) to keep up with a frig gang, and frig remote reps have lol range. Especially when friggies are buzzing about to keep from getting popped.
The logistics friggie would be the t2 version of the mining frigate. It would keep the large hold (for bombs and stuff). And have similar range and rep bonuses to the cruiser sized counterpart.
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superteds
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Posted - 2010.07.02 22:08:00 -
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possible t3 iteration? frig CS' would be nice too - or possibly punt that onto a new destroyer hull.
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ghosttr
Amarr
Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium
Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.07.02 22:09:00 -
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 Originally by: superteds
possible t3 iteration? frig CS' would be nice too - or possibly punt that onto a new destroyer hull.
T3 would be nice, but we should get regular t2 logi friggies first
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Sa'Shena
Amarr
Nomad LLP
Wayfarer Stellar Initiative
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Posted - 2010.07.02 22:44:00 -
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So the idea being that you have something like a T1 Frigate hull Augoror, which has regular bonuses as well as a bonus to a Remote Repair for that races tanking specialty?
I think I could handle that. A 500% bonus to Rep Range like the other T1 Logistics ships might give a fast Frigate enough range to keep reps on other Frigs.
Could use some fleshing out but I like the idea of tiny Logistics ships, even if they aren't T2 or T3 ones.
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Duchess Starbuckington
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Posted - 2010.07.02 22:44:00 -
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No new ships until existing broken ones are fixed plzkthxbai.
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Originally by: Dodgy Past
Can't see the Caldari approving of free love though.
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ghosttr
Amarr
Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium
Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.07.02 23:11:00 -
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Edited by: ghosttr on 02/07/2010 23:12:02
Originally by: Sa'Shena
So the idea being that you have something like a T1 Frigate hull Augoror, which has regular bonuses as well as a bonus to a Remote Repair for that races tanking specialty?
I think I could handle that. A 500% bonus to Rep Range like the other T1 Logistics ships might give a fast Frigate enough range to keep reps on other Frigs.
Could use some fleshing out but I like the idea of tiny Logistics ships, even if they aren't T2 or T3 ones.
T1 wouldn't be enough to be practical.
T1s only give bonuses to 1 thing (cap, armor, shield, whatever the **** minnie do), leaving some frigates useless/underused (mainly minnie/amarr). + CCP would take extra long time since they gotta have a new model.
T2 is easy enough to skill for, and friggie remote reps and stuff are uber cheap.
Originally by: Duchess Starbuckington
No new ships until existing broken ones are fixed plzkthxbai.
STFU
Logistics frigates are fukn awesome.
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MarieFrance Tessier
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Posted - 2010.07.03 01:18:00 -
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I would love a reason to fly a Burst. That ship looks so awesome, like a tiny little space village was just picked up and flung out into the deep dark on its own. Sad there is no reason to use it.
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Larofeticus
The Program
Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2010.07.03 01:35:00 -
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Yeah. I look forward to fighting even more invincible gangs of dramiels and logistics frigs.
Logistics bonuses on frigs is about as good an idea as command links on frigs.
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Roemy Schneider
Vanishing Point.
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Posted - 2010.07.03 01:49:00 -
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no, sry guys...
fix assault frigs first, try to come up with a good solution for EW frigs second, then mayyyyyybe have a look at logi frigs.
until then make do with scimi/oneiros with just 2 remote reps or focus on medium RR or whatever - with that few reppers, you can actually use the low slots for nano.
those two are the "mobile" logistics - guardians/basilisks are kinda "stationary" and better suited for BS fleets
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ghosttr
Amarr
Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium
Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.07.03 06:49:00 -
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Originally by: Roemy Schneider
no, sry guys...
fix assault frigs first, try to come up with a good solution for EW frigs second, then mayyyyyybe have a look at logi frigs.
until then make do with scimi/oneiros with just 2 remote reps or focus on medium RR or whatever - with that few reppers, you can actually use the low slots for nano.
those two are the "mobile" logistics - guardians/basilisks are kinda "stationary" and better suited for BS fleets
Fixing stuff != new stuff. HTFU and stop being a whining.
if you have comments on the idea, feel free to post. If you want to whine, ***** and complain. Please do that elsewhere
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Hatsumi Kobayashi
D00M.
RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.07.03 07:10:00 -
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Originally by: ghosttr
Originally by: Roemy Schneider
no, sry guys...
fix assault frigs first, try to come up with a good solution for EW frigs second, then mayyyyyybe have a look at logi frigs.
until then make do with scimi/oneiros with just 2 remote reps or focus on medium RR or whatever - with that few reppers, you can actually use the low slots for nano.
those two are the "mobile" logistics - guardians/basilisks are kinda "stationary" and better suited for BS fleets
Fixing stuff != new stuff. HTFU and stop being a whining.
if you have comments on the idea, feel free to post. If you want to whine, ***** and complain. Please do that elsewhere
Because saying that a properly fitted scimitar or oneiros can keep up with frigate gangs and perform well at its job of repping them is not a viable comment in your eyes?
As Roemy pointed out a scimitar with two transfers can easily be set to reach just under 4kms overloaded, and its sig radius is on par with a dictor.
I'd rather see existing ships reworked to fit their intended role properly rather than adding more ships to the game.
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Shereza
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Posted - 2010.07.03 08:05:00 -
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Originally by: ghosttr
Fixing stuff != new stuff. HTFU and stop being a whining.
if you have comments on the idea, feel free to post. If you want to whine, ***** and complain. Please do that elsewhere
Whining about whiners whining is classic.
I've only been playing the game for about four years now so I might've missed something when assault ships were first implemented, but so far as I know assault ships with clearly defined roles to which they were well-suited and four real bonuses would be new to the EVE universe. Also, he did comment on the idea. No new ships until older ships are fixed. That means, "it's a nice idea but I don't feel it's high enough in priority to justify looking into at this time."
Personally, I agree. Logistics frigates could only feasibly fit small logistics modules which would completely limit their usefulness to frigate/destroyer-sized gangs while the current logistics cruisers can support all sub-capital ship classes fairly well. Furthermore, logistics ships are already primaried fairly quickly in modern combat so a logistics platform that's as fragile as a frigate, especially if/when someone surprises or traps you, won't have the half-life of spit in molten steel. Though now that I think about it their limited logistics capacity might make them lower priority targets over regular logistics ships and thereby improve their survival ability... 
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Grut
The Protei
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Posted - 2010.07.03 08:41:00 -
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Good idea really.
Its a valid role that would improve diversity rather then CCPs usual approach of sticking something between destroyers and frigs.
Pros - fast cycle time to keep friggies alive, alot faster and can speed tank
Cons - Less repage then cruisers, less hp
No need to abuse the guy .... yes Assfrigs are abit broke (I want them turned into command frigs damit ) but its not his job to fix it.
Kinsy > deadman you
there?
Kinsy > are either of us in
pods, becase we dont know...
Mostly harmless
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Captain Campion
Synergy.
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2010.07.03 08:51:00 -
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I'd like to see a gang boosting remote-anti-ew frig.
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ghosttr
Amarr
Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium
Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.07.03 15:48:00 -
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Logi frigs would be useful in many situations where a logi cruiser doesnt fit. Logi cruiser warp slower, effectively slowing down your fleet, and a logi cruiser stkcis out like a sore thumb is a frig fleet.
Also logi cruisers have longer cycle times, and the amount of rep they put out is abit overkill for friggies, when repping friggies (especially with armor) cycle time is more important as they dont have much hp to begin with.
Also it would give assault frigs a boost, with a dedicated logi frig in fleet they can fit a wider variety of setups without having to worry about cap or local rep concerns.
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Duchess Starbuckington
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Posted - 2010.07.03 16:01:00 -
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Quote:
with a dedicated logi frig in fleet they can fit a wider variety of setups without having to worry about cap or local rep concerns.
So basically, frigates immune to anti-frigate tactics. AWESOME.
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STFU
If you find the idea of introducing something brand new and potentially game breaking more important than fixing stuff that has been broken for years, please offer up a reason why rather than continuing to act like a complete tool. Thanks.
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Originally by: Dodgy Past
Can't see the Caldari approving of free love though.
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1600 RT
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Posted - 2010.07.03 16:22:00 -
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Originally by: ghosttr
And have similar range and rep bonuses to the cruiser sized counterpart.
all fine except this.
logistic frig should have around half the repping power of logistic cruiser for 2 reason:
1- frig hulls need less dps tanked
2- to no not make actual logi useless
something like 2-3 medium reps and 40km repping range would be ok
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ghosttr
Amarr
Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium
Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.07.03 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: 1600 RT
Originally by: ghosttr
And have similar range and rep bonuses to the cruiser sized counterpart.
all fine except this.
logistic frig should have around half the repping power of logistic cruiser for 2 reason:
1- frig hulls need less dps tanked
2- to no not make actual logi useless
something like 2-3 medium reps and 40km repping range would be ok
They shouldnt be able to rep as much, the thing with keeping friggies alive is a matter of cycle time more than overall rep.
Friggies should primarily use (the underused) small reppers, and instead of bonuses to rep amount, the bonuses should reduce rep cycle time.
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XXSketchxx
Gallente
Remote Soviet Industries
Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2010.07.03 17:16:00 -
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Would be nice to finally have a use for all those deadspace small remote reps/shield xfers I find from time to time
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ghosttr
Amarr
Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium
Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.07.03 19:30:00 -
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Originally by: XXSketchxx
Would be nice to finally have a use for all those deadspace small remote reps/shield xfers I find from time to time
Dont forget the cap xfers
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