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Pehk Mak'mel'ahma
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Posted - 2010.07.04 06:42:00 -
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Edited by: Pehk Mak''mel''ahma on 04/07/2010 07:21:23
[ Originally by: PeterPluto
ah nevermind. I need that week to mine since I just got a retriever, and equipment for it and I wanted a Drake.The insurance set me back as did the ship and a clone upgrade and I'm almost out of ISK. Its ok for ppl who already have billions, but when you're on your own and you've got next to nothing, that week means a whole ship and a means to continue missions.
Frankly, I simply cant be bothered having to weather this storm. After 6 years, you'd think the community had something better to do. I'm out. Sub cancelled.
Greetings
Addressing your two points:
a) It does not matter if it is one on one, one on many, many on one, or many on many. It does not matter of Helicity organizes a mass culling of exhumers and barges, if someone organizes a gate camp to catch a hauler rich in cargo, or if somone takes a shot at me in Hulm out of boredom. The game programming permits this because it is all the same thing. It's not bullying. And I must add I am a ore munching carebear before you call me a bully. I haven't shot at a player yet.
b) I too am a new user who started out on his own May 18th, 2010. I tried many corporations and none of them fit me. The last one I was in told me to get the (bleep) out because I was not ready to get into PvP yet. Just like you, it was tough at first to generate ISK on my own but I found ways regardless. I did veldspar mining in Ivar which helped me get a probe. I did the agent missions and got lots of ISK and free stuff which helped me mine and haul ore. In Odatrik, I met Ehnea Mehk and learned we were not far from each other (we are both in the Greater Toronto area in Canada). We started Odatrik Mining Corporation. Working together with some other rookie players, we mined enough to get a mammoth for me and a Scythe for Ehnea. After some new people came and left, we found someone who likes to make stuff (probes, ammo, bursts, miner laser Is) and he is a part of our corp. A few "customers" began to buy the ore and minerals we stored which generated enough ISK to get a retriever and a second mammoth as a spare.
Where am I going with all of this? I'm saying Eve makes it easy to earn the ISK: it's lying around all over the place. All you need to do is plan how to do it and not get frustrated over things like Hulkageddon. We're still going to mine during the event, we're just making it a contest and leaving the stuff Helicity plans to blow up at home ;).
It's about adapting, and all about having fun adapting.
Pehk
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Amanda Mor
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.07.04 07:56:00 -
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Originally by: Pehk Mak'mel'ahma
Edited by: Pehk Mak''mel''ahma on 04/07/2010 07:21:23
[ Originally by: PeterPluto
ah nevermind. I need that week to mine since I just got a retriever, and equipment for it and I wanted a Drake.The insurance set me back as did the ship and a clone upgrade and I'm almost out of ISK. Its ok for ppl who already have billions, but when you're on your own and you've got next to nothing, that week means a whole ship and a means to continue missions.
Frankly, I simply cant be bothered having to weather this storm. After 6 years, you'd think the community had something better to do. I'm out. Sub cancelled.
Greetings
Addressing your two points:
a) It does not matter if it is one on one, one on many, many on one, or many on many. It does not matter of Helicity organizes a mass culling of exhumers and barges, if someone organizes a gate camp to catch a hauler rich in cargo, or if somone takes a shot at me in Hulm out of boredom. The game programming permits this because it is all the same thing. It's not bullying. And I must add I am a ore munching carebear before you call me a bully. I haven't shot at a player yet.
b) I too am a new user who started out on his own May 18th, 2010. I tried many corporations and none of them fit me. The last one I was in told me to get the (bleep) out because I was not ready to get into PvP yet. Just like you, it was tough at first to generate ISK on my own but I found ways regardless. I did veldspar mining in Ivar which helped me get a probe. I did the agent missions and got lots of ISK and free stuff which helped me mine and haul ore. In Odatrik, I met Ehnea Mehk and learned we were not far from each other (we are both in the Greater Toronto area in Canada). We started Odatrik Mining Corporation. Working together with some other rookie players, we mined enough to get a mammoth for me and a Scythe for Ehnea. After some new people came and left, we found someone who likes to make stuff (probes, ammo, bursts, miner laser Is) and he is a part of our corp. A few "customers" began to buy the ore and minerals we stored which generated enough ISK to get a retriever and a second mammoth as a spare.
Where am I going with all of this? I'm saying Eve makes it easy to earn the ISK: it's lying around all over the place. All you need to do is plan how to do it and not get frustrated over things like Hulkageddon. We're still going to mine during the event, we're just making it a contest and leaving the stuff Helicity plans to blow up at home ;).
It's about adapting, and all about having fun adapting.
Pehk
I wouldn't bother giving advice to someone like this, they never listen (but congrats on your positive attitude).
However, I can guarantee with 99.99% certainty that this person will NOT cancel their account. Mark my words, he will be around 6mths from now whining about the next Hulkageddon. He's the type who thinks his sub is important enough to everyone else that if he threatens to cancel it then everyone will stop what they're doing to try and appease him.
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Scott Ryder
Amarr
art of eve
Gunmen of the Apocalypse
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Posted - 2010.07.04 09:28:00 -
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I on the other hand is very glad hulkageddon is coming up, mineral prices may not spike but my bpcs will sell at a better price :)
Got 4000 runs of covetor just waiting
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Shakon
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Posted - 2010.07.04 11:04:00 -
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Its not really that bad. Considering most of the ones that go after the prizes actually suck at PVP or ganking If they didn't they wouldn't be using alternates to do the ganking. NOw if we could just quit having to make alternate newbie miner accounts to draw them in it wouldnt be so bad hahahaha/ They seem to ignore older players in hulks or groups like the plague.
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Marzipan Shrapnel
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Posted - 2010.07.04 12:39:00 -
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Originally by: Mazzarins Demise
I'm surprised there isn't a Jitagheddon, or something to that effect.
There was one man jitageddon a few years back when Miz Cenjui (spelling?) started parking SB battle ships on the jita gates and WTFBBQing ships coming in and out of jita 
Think he was made to stop by CCP though coz they started drowning in the ocean of tears it caused!! 
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Bomberlocks
Minmatar
CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2010.07.04 14:19:00 -
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Originally by: Serpents smile
Originally by: Retribution's Shadow
Edited by: Retribution''s Shadow on 03/07/2010 11:15:27
 right let's look at this...mission loot got nerfed which was a very large contributer to the ore market and is just showing in the market now, and will continue to move the prices of ore up...which means prices will go up for manufacture with the main contrubuter of ore now miners and your going to gank these guys, this was not the case before as mission loot was a big part of the ore market, ......so miners win win win 
witty comment inserted ("Hulkageddon" = win for miners)
 
What do you mean, 'nerfed'?
Loot of 16 level4 missions
With mediocre standings but perfect refine it comes out like this.
Did some carebearing last night to test just how much missions have been nerfed, and discovered that not only have missions not been nerfed (about 1 metal scrap per every 2 wrecks) but that the quality of the loot dropped has improved a lot.
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John Ellsworth
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.07.04 15:22:00 -
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Originally by: Scott Ryder
I on the other hand is very glad hulkageddon is coming up, mineral prices may not spike but my bpcs will sell at a better price :)
Got 4000 runs of covetor just waiting
Spoken like a possible Hulkageddon organizer ..a rather shallow way to make your isk IMHO  People asked why people quit eve after 7 months... no mystery here and it was not the learning skills GM 
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.07.04 16:27:00 -
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for the record most hulk ganks are usually done by gangs of destroyers. This means that aligning is useless and insurance payout is not relative. BS ganks are so 4 expansions ago.
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Oburn
Caldari
von Dutch Enterprises
G String University
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Posted - 2010.07.04 18:18:00 -
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Edited by: Oburn on 04/07/2010 18:20:01
Originally by: PeterPluto
Thats, if you have the balls for it...
Originally by: PeterPluto
Sub cancelled
This made me LOL. Talks about having no balls then quits EVE over something in the future that may not even impact him. Bravo for making me laugh.
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K'Mahk
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Posted - 2010.07.04 19:16:00 -
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Edited by: K''Mahk on 04/07/2010 19:17:03
meh.... things like Hulkaggedon happen, just going to mean that the null-sec alliances are going to have to wait a bit longer for their next Super-carrier or Titan....
And yeah.... mineral shortages aren't going to be affected that heavily, market's still got too many Meta 0 modules on it, if anyone was actually desperate enough for the minerals, all they would have to do is buy a few million modules like that, reprocess them, and bob's your uncle, Trit by the bucketful. (actually that's not a bad idea, better go do the math on that)
in all seriousness though, the price of hulks WILL go through the roof for a while until the miners have replaced any ships lost, and then it will creep back down, will this have a major effect on mineral prices, probably not, and I'm not going to be loosing my newest hulk to hulkageddon, I'll be too busy grinding Lvl 4 missions to get my standings up to farm more datacores, and get into more of the PI game. anyone who cries about the unfairness of all this needs to grow up... CCP isn't going to change the rules so that high-sec is perfectly safe.
besides, if you REALLY don't like how people are doing this, war-dec the hulkaggedon orphanage... then you can shoot them on sight.
oh, and for anyone who's curious, neutral alt.
Edit1: Typo correction
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Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.07.04 19:27:00 -
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Originally by: Batolemaeus
I don't quite get why anyone thinks suicide ganks would have any effect on the mineral basket.
You people seem to be under the false impression that miners were actually producing the most minerals.
Next "Hulkageddon" should be in drone space c/d?
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
The Rastafarian
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Posted - 2010.07.04 19:28:00 -
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I won't lose any ships either but i will disagree with the event for the same reasons in my other post, you want miners to move around get rid of all the gate campers.
but oh wait youd have to actually blow people up that can fight back as opposed to an indy char that is not skilled for it.
greifing vs reward, or risk vs reward, way to go CCP.
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2010.07.04 20:47:00 -
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Originally by: PeterPluto
wow. well, I'm new to this game but not new to MMOs especially PvP. But cowards and bullies joining forces to harass unprotected players, well thats a new one on me. I mean, wouldnt it be more of a challenge if those same gankers actually went head to head with each other in 0.0?
I thought WoW was a low point in my gaming history but this is making me think I'm in the wrong community for sure. Next time , organise something where you dont have to sneak up on someone unprotected and murder them.
Thats, if you have the balls for it...
this^^
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2010.07.04 21:00:00 -
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Originally by: Amanda Mor
I wouldn't bother giving advice to someone like this, they never listen (but congrats on your positive attitude).
However, I can guarantee with 99.99% certainty that this person will NOT cancel their account. Mark my words, he will be around 6mths from now whining about the next Hulkageddon. He's the type who thinks his sub is important enough to everyone else that if he threatens to cancel it then everyone will stop what they're doing to try and appease him.[/quote
Id say hes one of many others...who love the idea of the game..all but the fact that its a griefers paradise..and intended to be such
"A grief player, or "griefer," is a player who devotes much of his time to making others' lives miserable, in a large part deriving his enjoyment of the game "
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Jennifer Fenring
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.07.04 21:10:00 -
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Well I have a miner alt that just finished Mining Barges V!
Yay!
That I better don't mine for a week or so is only a small inconvenience. I'll just get her frigate and let her do some L1 missions to grind some R+D corp standings. Or something like that.
I don't see the problem, Hulageddon .. it's just something that happens.
"Accept that which I cannot change".
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Satsujinn
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Posted - 2010.07.04 21:23:00 -
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So....
There is a new "hulk" in town and I am curious to see whether the Hulkaggeoners will go for it.
Called Veldnaught - slightly bigger than your average hulk but essentially does the same thing - mines and in hi-sec so I'm informed
Selling popcorn and tickets to THAT show
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Anisa Schardl
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Posted - 2010.07.04 21:32:00 -
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Originally by: Satsujinn
So....
There is a new "hulk" in town and I am curious to see whether the Hulkaggeoners will go for it.
Called Veldnaught - slightly bigger than your average hulk but essentially does the same thing - mines and in hi-sec so I'm informed
Selling popcorn and tickets to THAT show
You'd have to get a ridiculous number of gank BS together to alpha the Veldnaught, and you aren't going to find that many people willing to shoot at Chribba. We all love him too much.
Hail Chribba.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2010.07.04 21:42:00 -
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Originally by: Satsujinn
new "hulk"
It's really not new... but the one/s that do manage to take it out is well worth the mail.
/c
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Kagasumi
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Posted - 2010.07.04 22:35:00 -
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Hi, I'm the original poster. Quite a few interesting and heated replies in this thread.
I'd just like to go on record and point out that I never mentioned anything about bullies, carebears, gate campers, losers, or anything similar in my original post.
The post was meant as a warning to miners during this time, which is fair game since it is a public contest. Real contests are never about making the prey or the target as easy as possible to catch or hit. If you are upset that your potential victims are alerted to your contest, then host your own contest and keep the announcement private. However crying about it is probably the least impressive thing you could possibly do. Man up, and play the field as it is.
I am a miner, not always but often. I understand the difference between predator and prey, and I don't whine when I'm taking the prey's seat. Instead, I rely on my wits and intellect, and spreading information such as this is a part of that. It what prey do. So calm down, enjoy the hunt, and let the prey do what they do.
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Ibn Minion
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Posted - 2010.07.04 22:54:00 -
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Honestly, I have a miner alt but this event makes no difference to me but... in the interest of fairness, I'd like to see the opposing event... where every pirate and leet pvper have one week to mine AND refine 50mil trit themselfs (not bought or refined by refine buddy), at the cost of losing 100mil per every 1mil trit that he failed to mine! That isk, going into a pot.
The player who mines the most during that week (no doubt a chinese sweat shop account *cof*macro*cof*), will get the value in the pot!
Hulkageddon restricts a large part of a major profession in EVE. I'd have a way better time if this was done in a fair way regarding all "walks of life" in EVE.
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Gladys Pank
Amarr
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.07.04 23:39:00 -
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Life isn't fair. Make yourself a victim and you will be exploited.
Meanwhile this event is just a bit of fun. Lighten up noobs.
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Kewso
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Posted - 2010.07.05 00:18:00 -
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most always call concord over first... people cry espl01t! but hell lot of people been doing it for like 5 years so it's funny watching the other side cry sploit!, it's almost as good as carebear tears...
always bribe your local concord :)
they bring the lulz and whines
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Scott Ryder
Amarr
art of eve
Gunmen of the Apocalypse
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Posted - 2010.07.05 09:15:00 -
[83]
Originally by: John Ellsworth
Originally by: Scott Ryder
I on the other hand is very glad hulkageddon is coming up, mineral prices may not spike but my bpcs will sell at a better price :)
Got 4000 runs of covetor just waiting
Spoken like a possible Hulkageddon organizer ..a rather shallow way to make your isk IMHO People asked why people quit eve after 7 months... no mystery here and it was not the learning skills GM
Im not going to take any credit at all for hulkageddon, im just a bpc producer that profits from it.
Its really no big deal. This year I might even participate aswell =) Its all in good fun, this is a pvp game.
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Serpents smile
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Posted - 2010.07.05 09:29:00 -
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Originally by: Kewso
most always call concord over first... people cry espl01t! but hell lot of people been doing it for like 5 years so it's funny watching the other side cry sploit!, it's almost as good as carebear tears...
always bribe your local concord :)
they bring the lulz and whines
Ugh... this again.
Only an exploit if you biomass the character that 'invites' concord into the system/ belt you're mining in and two, it won't matter because that Concord spawn will not engage any suicide attackers but a freshly new wave from somewhere else has to come in to punish the gankers and by that time your mining barge is, toast!
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Skippermonkey
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2010.07.05 10:39:00 -
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FYP
Originally by: Ibn Minion
Honestly, I have a miner alt but this event makes no difference to me but... WAAAAHHHHH
Originally by: CCP Capslock
OH GOD THE TESTING
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Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.07.05 10:59:00 -
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Originally by: Ibn Minion
Honestly, I have a miner alt but this event makes no difference to me but... in the interest of fairness, I'd like to see the opposing event... where every pirate and leet pvper have one week to mine AND refine 50mil trit themselfs (not bought or refined by refine buddy), at the cost of losing 100mil per every 1mil trit that he failed to mine! That isk, going into a pot.
The player who mines the most during that week (no doubt a chinese sweat shop account *cof*macro*cof*), will get the value in the pot!
Hulkageddon restricts a large part of a major profession in EVE. I'd have a way better time if this was done in a fair way regarding all "walks of life" in EVE.
Sounds like a fun idea. Go ahead and organise it.
(You do realise that Hulkageddon is strictly player-run, right? CCP has no hand in it.)
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Jennifer Fenring
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.07.05 11:01:00 -
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If you're really upset by the Hulkageddon people, mine in groups and hire a logistics ship to keep you alive until concord arrives.
It's not that difficult.
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Shakon
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Posted - 2010.07.05 11:19:00 -
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Edited by: Shakon on 05/07/2010 11:21:40
Edited by: Shakon on 05/07/2010 11:20:22
Actually Scott this is not a PvP game or CCP would market it as a PVP game. THEY DO NOT watch some of the adds before showing your lack of any ability to think. Its marketed as a SANDBOX.
But seriously this event effects nothing. Except to help some failed pvpers or wanna bes use alternate accounts to try and do what they cant or are to whiney to do on their main accounts.
It affects no prices what so ever except for guys raising hulk prizes trying to make a profit when There is no actual reason for the increase.
Most of all if you want some fun fit out cheaper retreivers and or hulks if you have the cash. set up a mining ops and lure the idiots in. Its funny as hell watching them use trial accounts to look for newer miners to kill. DO not use an old toon or you will NEVER see them.
AS for the rest of the drivel been a carebear, a carebear pie, lowsec pie, everything in null and some other stuff in between. ANY time some one breaks out the word care bear or etc its beacuse they couldnt do what the other persons doing so they get mad.
The only people in this game worth ANY respect are ones who use 1 account and do everything these so called wonderful people useing multiple accounts do just as good and alot of times even better.
edited do to my beer interfering with my keyboard
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Julien Brellier
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Posted - 2010.07.05 12:27:00 -
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Hulkageddon is fun for both parties.
The hunters get to play with gank fittings and the prey get to play with all kinds of clever ways to avoid getting pwned:
Logistics fitted Orcas. Trojan Orcas with lots of T2 frigates on board. Battle hulks. Good old fashioned mining BS.
It would be nice if Hulkageddon removed lots of bots for the good of us all.
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Ana Vyr
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Posted - 2010.07.05 14:27:00 -
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Just park your hulk for a couple weeks and go do something else.
Let the gankbears have some fun. I agree it's lame as all hell, but quitting over it is exactly what they want you to do.
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