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Jack Warnock
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Posted - 2010.07.05 12:35:00 -
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Edited by: Jack Warnock on 05/07/2010 12:37:53
Greetings
My new character will soon have the skills to be flying an amarr cruiser. I need your help to decide which to fly and possibly help me with some fittings. I know that the ships are probably good in different ways but i still want the best overall. So tell me which Amarr Cruiser you think is the best and why, fittings would be quite nice aswell. Note that my new character is only a few days old.
Thanks in Advance
Jack
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Panzram
ElitistOps
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.07.05 12:46:00 -
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the arbitrator is the best amarr t1 cruiser
the maller can be useful for narrowly defined roles that involve silly tanks on cruisers
the omen is crap, the augoror can transfer cap, if you dont need to tranfer cap its crap too
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Jack Warnock
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Posted - 2010.07.05 12:47:00 -
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 Originally by: Panzram
the arbitrator is the best amarr t1 cruiser
the maller can be useful for narrowly defined roles that involve silly tanks on cruisers
the omen is crap, the augoror can transfer cap, if you dont need to tranfer cap its crap too
Thank you for your answers but can you please explain why the arbitrator is the best and possibly suggest a good fitting?
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Annahera Piarrou
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Posted - 2010.07.05 12:56:00 -
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Well, the question you asked sends a clear message: You still think EVE is a simple game, yet you are on your way to realizing the opposite. You said yourself that you know that the ships are good in different ways. Accept that and stop looking for the best overall. If you look for the best overall, you will FAIL TERRIBLY in this game. You have to fly what's OPTIMAL for any task you're going to do - PvE missions, PvP solo, PvP small gang, PvP fleet, PvE ratting...
So...
There is no such thing as the best cruiser, I'm sorry. In order for us to help you, you will have to tell us what do you intend to use the cruiser for. Then I will bo more than happy to provide assistance.
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Jack Warnock
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Posted - 2010.07.05 12:59:00 -
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Well im more into combat and right now im ratting or doing missions but would like to pvp later. So any cruiser which can be good in both pve and pvp depending on the fitting or something.
Thanks in Advance
Jack
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Neherus
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Posted - 2010.07.05 13:11:00 -
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Well... I will try to provide assistance then. For PvE, I'd say, Omen is good as it has both turret firepower and drones, so it's able to take down NPC rats faster than Auguror or Maller or even Arbitrator. Plus it gets an offensive bonus too.
Too bad is that it's not too great for PvP, even though you can probably come up with a PvP fit, as someone before me said Arbitratot will probably be better (but you'll need good drones skills - Drones at V and Drone Interfacing and other drone skills at least at IV).
So for PvE now I'd go with an Omen. Fit guns, three small drones (hobgoblins), decent turrets and a tank. The fit depends on your skills, balance the tank so you can survive the missions you run ajust barely (hehe) and put the rest to firepowah. For tank use mainy modules increasing your armor resistances (adaptive nanomembranes, hardeners) and a repairer. Putting plates on a PvE ship isn't of much use, as you need to outtank the damage to finish the mission smoothly. In order to improve your pew-pew ability, fit heatsinks.
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Lt Angus
Caldari
the united
Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2010.07.05 13:18:00 -
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Arb is great once you have good drone skills and possibly best t1 cruiser overall or atleast in top 3.
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Khan Dok
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Posted - 2010.07.05 13:50:00 -
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Originally by: Annahera Piarrou
Well, the question you asked sends a clear message: You still think EVE is a simple game, yet you are on your way to realizing the opposite. You said yourself that you know that the ships are good in different ways. Accept that and stop looking for the best overall. If you look for the best overall, you will FAIL TERRIBLY in this game. You have to fly what's OPTIMAL for any task you're going to do - PvE missions, PvP solo, PvP small gang, PvP fleet, PvE ratting...
So...
There is no such thing as the best cruiser, I'm sorry. In order for us to help you, you will have to tell us what do you intend to use the cruiser for. Then I will bo more than happy to provide assistance.
Given that 9 out of 10 will answer the question with a: This is good, everything else is crap (See above), I really think you should cut him some slack. Good creative players can find use for ships in roles others haven't thought of, but generally speaking even the narrowmindedness of the Eve (MMO) population overall is able to discern optimal solutions to general problems.
What you have to realise though is the train of thought at hand:
Something is 100%: I'ts good. A contester is 70%: It's crap.
Something is 100%: I'ts good. A contester is 95%: It's crap.
Something is 100%: I'ts good. A contester is 99%: It's crap.
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Jennifer Fenring
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.07.05 14:00:00 -
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Edited by: Jennifer Fenring on 05/07/2010 14:02:48
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t1 Amarr cruisers
Aurogor: weakest cruiser of EVE, good for armor repair;
Arbitrator: best overall Armarr t1 cruiser if you have good drone skills (which you'll eventually need anyay);
Omen: fastest of the lot, balanced ship with decent damage, ok tank and 3 drones;
Maller: best tank, lacks drones to effectively fight frigates very well and mediocre damage;
Navy Omen: Beefed Omen, very good if you have the ISK to afford one.
Compare their stats here.
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Jack Warnock
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Posted - 2010.07.05 14:03:00 -
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Ok thanks for the answers. But which do you suggest i should go for concidering my character is only a few days old? Most of you seems to like the arbi but should i go for that even if im not so good with drones or should i go for another one?
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Jennifer Fenring
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.07.05 14:09:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Warnock
Ok thanks for the answers. But which do you suggest i should go for concidering my character is only a few days old? Most of you seems to like the arbi but should i go for that even if im not so good with drones or should i go for another one?
*shrugs* I¦d say take the Omen then. But keep in mind that all ships will be tough to fly effectively if you lack the skills for them; Amarr ships aren¦t as forgiving as Caldari ships what that¦s concerned.
An Arbi would be a nice incentive to train up drone skills though. Once you can field 5 medium drones with some extra damage skills it¦s very powerful for a cruiser.
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Mopsy Six
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Posted - 2010.07.05 14:10:00 -
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In PvP the problem with Amarr Cruisers are the rediculous requirements on Medium Energy Turrets. You won't get maximum out of your Omen or a Maller, it won't be enough to make these ships competetive with other in their class. An Omen with a LSE does fine kiting, however, but it suffers from capacitor problems as it gets a ROF bonus and Energy Turrets eat up enough capacitor as it is.
I'd go with the Arbitrator, it's like a Vexor, but with bonused e-war, that can shut down any turret ship, and an alot bigger drone bay. It's generaly one of the best T1 Cruisers.
For PvE both Omen and Arbitrator are doing fine.
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Jack Warnock
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Posted - 2010.07.05 14:13:00 -
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Thank you. I think ive made up my mind. Will probably be going for the arbi and maybe get the omen before i have the drone skills or go straight for arbi and do some easy missions or something while i train my drone skills. Anyone know of any good websites that has fittings or do you have any good fittings for the arbi?
Thanks in Advance
Jack
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James Tritanius
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Posted - 2010.07.05 14:14:00 -
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Originally by: Jennifer Fenring
Aurogor: weakest cruiser of EVE, good for armor repair;[/url].
Lies.
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Duchess Starbuckington
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Posted - 2010.07.05 14:29:00 -
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Omen: fastest of the lot, balanced ship with decent damage, ok tank and 3 drones;
But so ridiculously skill intensive for a t1 cruiser it's not even worth flying.
If you had asked what Gallente or Caldari cruiser was best, "neither" would be an appropriate answer - but in the case of Amarr, the Arbitrator really is the only good one. Omen and Maller do have uses but their drawbacks are too severe to be worth it over the Arbi.
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Can't see the Caldari approving of free love though.
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Jack Warnock
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Posted - 2010.07.05 14:37:00 -
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Ok thanks for the answers but does anyone know of a good fitting or two for the arbi then?
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Jennifer Fenring
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.07.05 15:04:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Warnock
Ok thanks for the answers but does anyone know of a good fitting or two for the arbi then?
check battleclinic
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2010.07.05 15:08:00 -
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Originally by: Lt Angus
Arb is great once you have good drone skills and possibly best t1 cruiser overall or atleast in top 3.
I would say top 5 since Rupture, Vexor, Caracal and properly flown Thorax all trump it without breaking a sweat.
The fact that the Arbitrator is the best Amarr cruiser which is why it is so sad. It doesn't do tank particularly well nor does it have a gank option .. best use is in gangs where you can use TD's as its meant to.
Amarr is not competitive at all until you go T2 or Harbinger/BS, below is outclassed by almost everything else 
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Jack Warnock
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Posted - 2010.07.05 15:09:00 -
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Originally by: Jennifer Fenring
Originally by: Jack Warnock
Ok thanks for the answers but does anyone know of a good fitting or two for the arbi then?
check battleclinic
Thanks 
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Andrea Griffin
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Posted - 2010.07.05 15:11:00 -
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I used this for PvE when grinding missions. It probably isn't the "optimal" Arbitrator fit, but it worked well enough for me. The single beam laser exists to draw aggro from distant targets and get them to engage so that your drones can eat them up. Tractor beams / salvager are self explanatory. Rigs to taste. They're not really necessary, even. If you're just stepping into the Arby as a PvE boat, you may want to consider armor rigs for extra tank - either resists, or repair augmentation.
[Arbitrator, PvE]
Medium Armor Repairer II
Armor Explosive Hardener I
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Damage Control II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
10MN Afterburner II
Small Tractor Beam I
Small Tractor Beam I
Heavy Beam Laser II, Radio M
Salvager I
Medium Drone Speed Augmentor I
Medium Drone Durability Enhancer I
Medium Drone Control Range Augmentor I
Hobgoblin II x5
Hammerhead II x5
Warrior II x5
Valkyrie II x5
For solo PvP - Get up close, neut your enemy, and pray that he dies before you do. If you get into a bad situation, use the EC-600s to jam your way out. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, but always worth a shot.
[Arbitrator, PvP]
800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Stasis Webifier II
Warp Scrambler II
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Hammerhead II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Warrior II x5
Vespa EC-600 x5
If you are flying the Arbitrator in a small gang, I would let other people deal with the tackling and swap the web and scram for two tracking disruptors. That will really ruin the day of any turret-based boat.
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Jack Warnock
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Posted - 2010.07.05 15:15:00 -
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Thanks for the fittings
But does amarr really suck that much as some people seems to tell me? 
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Jennifer Fenring
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.07.05 15:24:00 -
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Edited by: Jennifer Fenring on 05/07/2010 15:25:29
Originally by: Jack Warnock
Thanks for the fittings
But does amarr really suck that much as some people seems to tell me?
Nah they also have strengths, the Punsiher is very ok and you'll be in a Harby very fast, after all you only play for a few days!
It's not a whole race that's good or bad but every race has its outstanding ships for specific roles. In fleet warfare Amarr is still quite popular, for example. You also need your skills a bit further up than for example Caldari ships to let Amarr ships shine.
When you just do L2 missions an Arbi is quite good and easy, no need to worry.
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Andrea Griffin
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Posted - 2010.07.05 15:37:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Warnock
But does amarr really suck that much as some people seems to tell me?
Amarr ships are excellent, HOWEVER they absolutely require good support skills and T2 fits to really shine. Also, the Amarr T1 ship lineup is rather poor until you get to the battlecruisers and jump into a Harbinger. The battleships are excellent, and the T2 ships are also fantastic. Good things come to those who wait. People who say that Amarr ships are awful haven't been patient.
That isn't to say the the Punisher and Arbitrator are BAD ships, but there's just better ships out there for the most part.
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Jack Warnock
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Posted - 2010.07.05 15:42:00 -
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Originally by: Andrea Griffin
Originally by: Jack Warnock
But does amarr really suck that much as some people seems to tell me?
Amarr ships are excellent, HOWEVER they absolutely require good support skills and T2 fits to really shine. Also, the Amarr T1 ship lineup is rather poor until you get to the battlecruisers and jump into a Harbinger. The battleships are excellent, and the T2 ships are also fantastic. Good things come to those who wait. People who say that Amarr ships are awful haven't been patient.
That isn't to say the the Punisher and Arbitrator are BAD ships, but there's just better ships out there for the most part.
Thank you
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Proxyyyy
Caldari
The Tuskers
The Tusker Bastards
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Posted - 2010.07.05 15:53:00 -
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Arbitrator, omen, and maller (In that order). Going to be flying the omen, with one less turrent, replaced by a single neut.
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Andrea Griffin
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Posted - 2010.07.05 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: Proxyyyy
Arbitrator, omen, and maller (In that order). Going to be flying the omen, with one less turrent, replaced by a single neut.
Absolutely agree with Proxyyyy here, with one exception: If you are just starting L2 missions and you do not have very good skills, the Maller, with its armor resistance bonus, can be a very forgiving ship. For a cruiser, it can tank well. Unfortunately that's all it does. 
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Marko Riva
Adamant Inc.
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Posted - 2010.07.05 16:08:00 -
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Lvl 2 missions are mostly frigates, something a maller with frigate class guns handles just fine, it's very forgiving regarding fitting, cap and tanking and because it doesn't really get a turret bonus you can use the frigate pulses just fine.
The problem with using an Arbi, for a newbie starting as Amarr, is that you really want to train your laz0rs and all of a sudden you have to stop doing that and start training drones for 2 weeks. While you ofcourse need drones later on with BC and BS I'd opt to use a frigate pulse/beam laser Maller for an amarr newbie. Then, while doing lvl 2's, start training drones for the "next step".
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Dodgy Past
Amarr
Trans-Solar Works
Rooks and Kings
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Posted - 2010.07.05 17:09:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Warnock
Thanks for the fittings
But does amarr really suck that much as some people seems to tell me?
They do ok for PvE, especially if you concentrate on Amarr space, and if you do this there are a couple of ships that are as good as anything else ( Paladin and Nightmare ).
Just be aware that the pay off with Amarr takes a fair amount of time, I didn't really feel comfortable until I had T2 medium lasers at which point I discovered how lovely Scorch ammo on a Harbinger is. Once you reach this point you tend to know what you're doing and what you like and can focus your training from there. I doubt many pilots with 20m SP+ regret training for Amarr.
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Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2010.07.05 22:37:00 -
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Arbitrator.
Good slot layout, useful bonuses, good for PVE and PVP.
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