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Antihrist Pripravnik 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.07.06 10:35:00 - [31] Originally by: Demordray I have been playing eve for a little over a year. I've reached that point where everything seems to take 20-30+ days to train. Essentially your month subscription goes to waiting for that skill to finish. I know how you feel, but you're wrong about the waiting part. You don't wait for the skill to finish - you play and enjoy the game. If your relevant skills take that much time to complete, that means your character is decently skilled and have many options and things it can do in the game. Your first idea has been mentioned more than a few times before and the answer is still - no. You shouldn't be able to obtain skill points in any way other than training them. This is EVE. There's no grinding for skill points and there will never be. Your second idea is as bad as the first one for the reasons already explained. If you don't like the character progression to the point where you hate playing this game, then please do yourself and us a favor and find another game that will be fun for you.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.07.06 10:35:00 - [32] Originally by: Dodgy Past Logistics V wants to have a word with you ;) That's only rank 6. For me it would be 22 days, and I'm nowhere near maxed in per/wil (I actually have 9/9/9/9/3cha). _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Spartan Colonol	Posted - 2010.07.06 11:13:00 - [33] Troll feed.. 4 suggestions, which i honestly shouldnt be listing if you've been playing for a year. 1. Buy implants, 500mil isn't expensive.. or use +4's 2. Train ALL your learning skills to 4/5, should have done this already but hey if you havnt why the thread? 3. Dont nerf your own attributes by thinking 'equal distribution is the way forward' if you have a ramap available use it wisely! 4. Actually play the game, booting up EVE every 2 weeks to check your skill set is a waste of money. Find something to do. 99/100 people who actively play eve will tell you to do the exact same thing.
Illwill Jill Gallente Nifelhem	Posted - 2010.07.06 11:14:00 - [34] I agree with the OP. There should be some kind of system that made you achieve skills faster. Perhaps a skill that make you train other skills faster.
FoxtrotOff Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering	Posted - 2010.07.06 11:19:00 - [35] Originally by: Illwill Jill I agree with the OP. There should be some kind of system that made you achieve skills faster. Perhaps a skill that make you train other skills faster. These are called LEARNING & ADVANCED LEARNING skills. Go look them up on the market, or heaven forbid, evemon
Wacktopia Dark Side Of The Womb Focused Intentions	Posted - 2010.07.06 11:26:00 - [36] Edited by: Wacktopia on 06/07/2010 11:27:33 Originally by: Demordray Edited by: Demordray on 06/07/2010 05:44:26 I have been playing eve for a little over a year. I've reached that point where everything seems to take 20-30+ days to train. Essentially your month subscription goes to waiting for that skill to finish. I have been playing eve for a little over 2 years. I've reached that point where everything seems to take 100+ days to train. Essentially my month subscription goes to playing the game. Originally by: Demordray For example 250k isk will get you 1 months worth of training points. Hahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. Ahem. Ha! So... so.. wait! A $35 double-plex (about 600 mil) will give me.... counts fingers... 2400 months training time. BRING IT ON!!! Edit: 600,000,000 / 250,000 = 2400
Jennifer Fenring Amarr	Posted - 2010.07.06 11:28:00 - [37] I think with all the new skills in every expansion the general skilling up speed may use a boost so that the max SP/hour goes from 2,770 SP/hr to say 4,000 SP/hr with max learning, +5s and perfect remaps. Since the road got longer and longer we may use a newer and faster model car too so to speak.
Wacktopia Dark Side Of The Womb Focused Intentions	Posted - 2010.07.06 11:37:00 - [38] Originally by: Jennifer Fenring I think with all the new skills in every expansion the general skilling up speed may use a boost so that the max SP/hour goes from 2,770 SP/hr to say 4,000 SP/hr with max learning, +5s and perfect remaps. Since the road got longer and longer we may use a newer and faster model car too so to speak. Longer road = More specialisations. We don't need a faster model, analogy boy.
Nisanthro	Posted - 2010.07.06 11:55:00 - [39] Originally by: Gladys Pank No. No.
mechtech SRS Industries SRS.	Posted - 2010.07.06 11:57:00 - [40] Hell no.
Scott Ryder Amarr art of eve Gunmen of the Apocalypse	Posted - 2010.07.06 11:58:00 - [41] Edited by: Scott Ryder on 06/07/2010 12:02:18 Yes this sounds smart If 300 mil isk plex adds one month of training time: 100b Isk into training would then give you 27 years of skilltraining :) Yes thats really smart.. We should impliment something like that RIGHT away. Edit: 27 years - 513216000 skillpoints assuming you train atleast 2200 sp/h, it sounds like a great idea to me
Sir Rush Caldari Sirrush Holdings And Industries Inc.	Posted - 2010.07.06 12:10:00 - [42] Originally by: Demordray For example 250k isk will get you 1 months worth of training points. The reason I'm saying 250k isk, thats about the average going rate for a plex, which is 1 month of game time. Even if its higher than 250k it would still be worth while. Good sir, where do you purchase your PLEXs? I'd like some 250k PLEXs too!
Kohana Chayton Minmatar	Posted - 2010.07.06 12:34:00 - [43] I must respectfully disagree with the OP concerning skill training. If you feel you have been 'wasting' your time while you wait for a skill to finish training, then your doing it wrong. RL example incoming: Do you go to school to learn a trade (lets say, becoming a Proctologist) and expect to be able to learn it in just a few weeks? No.. it takes gasp YEARS to learn. Yet you come into a game where learning is how you progress, and expect to know it all in just a few short weeks and because you gasps again have to take the time to LEARN stuff to become expert in it (Specialist:Proctologist) you want it changed to an immediate gratification of your whims. One of the reasons I personally LIKE Eve is because of the method of skill advancement. It's often slow, sometimes a pita, and you frequently find more stuff you need/want and have to switch about, but at NO TIME are you cemented into anything unless you make the choice to be. So OP.. I vote NO to both your suggestions.
Killstealing	Posted - 2010.07.06 12:36:00 - [44] Originally by: Demordray The reason I'm saying 250k isk, thats about the average going rate for a plex, which is 1 month of game time. PLEXes are 250k? Sign me up!
Mazzarins Demise Profit Development and Research Association	Posted - 2010.07.06 12:51:00 - [45] Sadly, as this game increases in popularity, more of these muppets/threads will come out of the woodwork.
ObviousTroll Alt Gallente Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2010.07.06 13:07:00 - [46] Originally by: Mazzarins Demise Sadly, as this game increases in popularity, more of these muppets/threads will come out of the woodwork. I think a lot of these types come from Free2Play (Pay2Win) games where there is a cash shop/item store and they are used to buying their progress to uberness and when faced with something as simple and basic as time based progression, become incensed that their skills progress is determined by the clock, rather than their wallets (or mommies purse in many cases).
Killstealing	Posted - 2010.07.06 13:08:00 - [47] Originally by: ObviousTroll Alt Originally by: Mazzarins Demise Sadly, as this game increases in popularity, more of these muppets/threads will come out of the woodwork. I think a lot of these types come from Free2Play (Pay2Win) games where there is a cash shop/item store and they are used to buying their progress to uberness and when faced with something as simple and basic as time based progression, become incensed that their skills progress is determined by the clock, rather than their wallets (or mommies purse in many cases). "But I want to win NOW! Not in a while! MOOOOOOOOOOM!!"
ObviousTroll Alt Gallente Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2010.07.06 13:12:00 - [48] Edited by: ObviousTroll Alt on 06/07/2010 13:13:13 Originally by: Killstealing Originally by: ObviousTroll Alt Originally by: Mazzarins Demise Sadly, as this game increases in popularity, more of these muppets/threads will come out of the woodwork. I think a lot of these types come from Free2Play (Pay2Win) games where there is a cash shop/item store and they are used to buying their progress to uberness and when faced with something as simple and basic as time based progression, become incensed that their skills progress is determined by the clock, rather than their wallets (or mommies purse in many cases). "But I want to win NOW! Not in a while! MOOOOOOOOOOM!!" Don't make me turn this ship around and go home! Just wait until your Father hears about this!
Raydn James Erlang Biolabs Mass - Effect	Posted - 2010.07.06 13:19:00 - [49] Originally by: Demordray My current thought right now is to quit the game, i love the game play but hate the time spent having to wait so long on everything. I understand that its not suppose to be easy but come on 30 days for 1 skill? Thats a little too long. Its one thing to pay $15 a month, its another thing to have to wait that whole month for a skill to finish. I'd rather just pay my 15 bucks and not have to wait so long. And what the hell is with the troll crap its a legit topic to find where people stand, a simple yes or no will do. I've been playing for nearly 5 years, like many others in this thread. I DID hyper-specialize and have never crosstrained a race. Pure gallente through and through. There are plenty of 30+ day skills to train out there, but it was my choice to train them. I could have easily trained into any of the other 3 races. I could have spent more time on exploration. I could have moved into mining and construction (which I did, on another hyper-specialized industrial character) Try starring down the barrel of Outpost construction 5 at 80+ days or Titan 5. To say that after a year you have nothing to train that isn't 30+ days is incorrect, you just choose to not train other things. Also, you can still go do things while the training continues. Lord knows I didn't station spin the entire way through logistics 5 or BS 5, or HAC 5, etc.... tl;dr - grow a set, leave the station and play the game.
Ana Vyr	Posted - 2010.07.06 13:27:00 - [50] This game isn't for everybody, folks. Why not simply respect the man's desire to play something else, instead of ridiculing him. Everyone has had a moment when they've said....dammit this is taking too bloody long to train!
Dylatar Gallente Ocean Eleven	Posted - 2010.07.06 13:30:00 - [51] Edited by: Dylatar on 06/07/2010 13:31:55 Originally by: Demordray Edited by: Demordray on 06/07/2010 05:44:26 I have been playing eve for a little over a year. I've reached that point where everything seems to take 20-30+ days to train. Essentially your month subscription goes to waiting for that skill to finish. I would love for them to impliment a way to help the training times. I had a few ideas and wanted to hear everyones thoughts on the matter. My first idea was adding skill books such as battlecruiser 5 or caldari battleship 5 for example and have them be attainable through isk or loyalty points from the appropriate factions and sellable on the market. This would allow the market to be set by players. My second idea, which is a little more realistic is allow you to donate your isk or loyalty points to perhaps a new faction in the game. For example 250k isk will get you 1 months worth of training points. The reason I'm saying 250k isk, thats about the average going rate for a plex, which is 1 month of game time. Even if its higher than 250k it would still be worth while. I think making it isk based would be beneficial to all and not single out pirates and miners. Since a good pirate always makes a profit off of ransoms and a miner makes a profit afking in an astroid belt, even scammers can benefit. I think I as well many others want to quit the game at this point because the training times are too long and its not worth paying to play with such a slow character progression. When I read this, I guess you missed the point of Eve. The current method of skilling a character is well thought. It makes no difference if someone plays more or less time as you skill offline. You just have to be online to set skill queue and earn the ISK to afford the skills. So someone who is a "Eve-junkie" has no advantage to regular players, or someone just can be less active because off real life issues. And ... you can't buy skillpoints. Not for LP, not for ISK - and not for real money. That's fact, and it should stay as it is. If this ever would be possible it's just cheating. Taking advantage over other players that don't have that much (real) money. In real life maybe you can cheat yourself through schools - but you will absolutely loose in life, because you have the knowledge, but only on paper. YOu have the certificate on something, but not the knowledge. I play Eve now, for over 6 years. And the most skills take me much less than 30 days to train. A fair number is in between 20 and 30 days. And only some high rank skills would take 30+ days to train to level 5. And the point of Eve you missed is: Noone is able to earn all skilles and max them out in a reasonable amount of time. You can't train all - you HAVE to specialize. To be most effective you HAVE to cooperate with other players in many ways. That is the point taht makes Eve that fascinating. I aquired many skillpoints since I'm playing, and as my char started as a universal char, it started with the situation to be able to do many things, but nothing very good. With the time, it developed, and I skilled out some fields. But still younger chars can be better than me on some other fields. That's what makes Eve. The possibility to "cheat" skillpoints would completely destroy this. But, you could create a 2nd account and skill a char different there. But many skills are pretty universal, so you need them on both chars anyways.
Ana Vyr	Posted - 2010.07.06 13:34:00 - [52] Originally by: Dylatar But, you could create a 2nd account and skill a char different there. But many skills are pretty universal, so you need them on both chars anyways. It's funny how the solution to every dilema in EvE is to give CCP more money.
Lordearan	Posted - 2010.07.06 13:35:00 - [53] Originally by: Lothros Andastar Please, Go Back to WoW and make sure to brain yourself on the doorframe on the way out. Hold on, can you brain something with no brains? This is exactly why people think Eve is filled with a bunch of A-holes. My god the level of hatred and vitriol expressed by you and others on this forum is breath taking. You disgust me.
Dylatar Gallente Ocean Eleven	Posted - 2010.07.06 13:48:00 - [54] Originally by: Ana Vyr Originally by: Dylatar But, you could create a 2nd account and skill a char different there. But many skills are pretty universal, so you need them on both chars anyways. It's funny how the solution to every dilema in EvE is to give CCP more money. I wouldn't call it solution. But it's the only allowed and possible way to gain more skillpoints - without creating a single uber-char. Otherwise this would be God Online, and we only would have to train a single-leveled skill named "Omnipotence". xD
ObviousTroll Alt Gallente Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2010.07.06 13:52:00 - [55] Originally by: Lordearan Originally by: Lothros Andastar Please, Go Back to WoW and make sure to brain yourself on the doorframe on the way out. Hold on, can you brain something with no brains? This is exactly why people think Eve is filled with a bunch of A-holes. My god the level of hatred and vitriol expressed by you and others on this forum is breath taking. You disgust me. Says the Pot, as it speaks to the Kettle. Truth be told... Eve is filled with a bunch of a-holes. That's why I like it. I am (normally) surrounded by people who understand and get the game. Occasionally I run into mindless drones (like the OP) that have oozed their way to eve from other games and don't 'Get' Eve, and they come onto the forums and scream and yell and cry and whine and rant to have the game changed to suit them, instead of changing themselves to suit the game. I do hope you see what I did there. Such a shame to have to point out what is so blatantly obvious that a brain dead vegetable, lying in some hospital somewhere could understand.

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Demordray	Posted - 2010.07.07 01:09:00 - [57] Edited by: Demordray on 07/07/2010 01:10:30 Maybe everyone took what i was saying wrong or took the direction of the post in the wrong way. I'm not saying by any means remove the current training system, I'm suggesting to add other ways to decrease the training time. While i do play the game while my skills train, I dont like how it takes 30 days to train a skill. I play not only to have fun but to progress my character. My only suggestion was to add a way to speed things up, not change everything. Learning skills only go so far. Also made a mistake, not 250k isk but 250 mil isk. my bad, you all knew what i meant.
Bryg Philomena Don't Taze Me Bro	Posted - 2010.07.07 02:13:00 - [58] train cap ships 5. train doomsday op 5. train racial titan 5. Then complain about how long skills take. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Am I reading this correctly? You claim you have a bug that undresses female avatars??? Your signature
Scott Ryder Amarr art of eve Gunmen of the Apocalypse	Posted - 2010.07.07 10:32:00 - [59] Originally by: Demordray Edited by: Demordray on 07/07/2010 01:10:30 Maybe everyone took what i was saying wrong or took the direction of the post in the wrong way. I'm not saying by any means remove the current training system, I'm suggesting to add other ways to decrease the training time. While i do play the game while my skills train, I dont like how it takes 30 days to train a skill. I play not only to have fun but to progress my character. My only suggestion was to add a way to speed things up, not change everything. Learning skills only go so far. Also made a mistake, not 250k isk but 250 mil isk. my bad, you all knew what i meant. Im going to requote you then... Yes this sounds smart If 300 mil isk plex adds one month of training time: 100b Isk into training would then give you 27 years of skilltraining :) Yes thats really smart.. We should impliment something like that RIGHT away. Edit: 27 years - 513216000 skillpoints assuming you train atleast 2200 sp/h, it sounds like a great idea to me
Ydyp Ieva Caldari Amarrian Retribution	Posted - 2010.07.07 11:44:00 - [60] Only 20-30 days? Most in my plan are 40+ days. And for those that think they pay for looking at those bars fill up, I suggest you go play another game as it seems you missed what eve is all about.

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