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Kimsemus Imperium Technologies Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2010.07.09 16:12:00 - [1] This change is great. All the people bellyaching about the PLEX changes and the dangers of moving them, please, don't be stupid. If you wanted to apply them to your own account, you can do it from your assets tab remotely or where you bought them in station. If you get ganked moving them, YOU WERE ONLY MOVING THEM TO MAKE MORE MONEY OFF THEM ANYWAY. It's like anything else in EVE. Risk VS reward. To cry and moan and ragequit over losing the PLEX you were planning on marking up 40% in your cargohold is ridiculous. And really, they are worth what, 300m right now? That's chump change, faction gear is worth more than that. I don't see why people are getting upset over this, they just made it like, oh, I don't know, EVERY OTHER ITEM IN THE GAME.
Kimsemus Imperium Technologies Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2010.07.09 16:19:00 - [2] Originally by: Jagga Spikes Originally by: Quetazal I am so against this move its unreal. A destroyed plex is bad for the players - but to CCP it is a free 15$ I can see the business logic here (greed); playerA gets a plex destroyed, playerA replaces it and uses too; so they have (indirectly) paid CCP 30$ instead of the 15$ for one month Sub. If Plexes could not get destroyed upon drop I would be all for this btw. Greedy and a needless change from our overseers imo. your point? PLEX is 300 mil. it's 2-3 fitted battleships. less than T3 cruiser. less than faction BS. fraction of capitals. people are losing these all the time. Thank you. My thoughts exactly. People are only going to get butthurt because they died trying to move them to make more money off them anyway. There are so many belly aching empire carebears crying about this it literally makes me want to jump out my window and run into traffic. (With 50 PLEX in my jeans pockets)
Kimsemus Imperium Technologies Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2010.07.09 16:27:00 - [3] Edited by: Kimsemus on 09/07/2010 16:28:09 Edited by: Kimsemus on 09/07/2010 16:27:22 Originally by: James Vayne Originally by: Salpad I agree with the other who have questioned the need for undocking with PLEXes at all. If CCP wants people to fly around with PLEXes, then they should change the system further so that ETCs can only be converted to PLEXes at some stations and these PLEXes only converted to extra game-time at some other stations, so that every PLEX has to be moved. Preferably through at least one stargate, i.e. so that no solar system can contain a station with a ETC Converter and a PLEX converter. If such a change is not implemented, then why would anyone ever undock? Actually I ran into the need to do it the other day, funnily enough. I had decided to move all of my stuff to a system that wasn't 17 jumps from Jita (where I go often) and needed to move all my ships/stuff there. Of course, I can't take my PLEX with me cause I can't move it, so it remains X amount of jumps away where I purchased it. Also, people who move corps may choose to move all of their stuff to the new HQ station of their new corp. If this is, say, 28 jumps away, it's a pain in the butt to go all the way back just to redeem your PLEX (where buying another PLEX would be more stupid than simply being able to move your existing one). Right click the PLEX from your assets tab, while you are 17 jumps away from it. Hit Redeem. Congratulations on your additional 30 days of game time. Your argument is invalid.
Kimsemus Imperium Technologies Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2010.07.09 16:34:00 - [4] Originally by: Slide Quetor My point? Plex value is also = 30 days, in 30days you can earn back that battle ship, cruiser or whatever. Now if your wallet's empty for whatever reason and your only plex is destroyed you will need to buy back those 30days via RL cash (which CCP is grateful for). Not such a easy hit for those who are between jobs or cannot easily replace it. The line is getting blurred here, many many players have said they would quit if RMT was introduced, this has maybe just crossed that line. Have you EVER been to the Timecode Bazaar forums? RMT has been going on for years.
Kimsemus Imperium Technologies Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2010.07.09 17:00:00 - [5] Originally by: TimT7 Originally by: Larkonis Trassler Destroying a PLEX through a gank is no different from destroying 300 mil's worth of goods in a similar fashion. Really it's not. You may have paid for the PLEX with RL monies but once it's in game it's just the same as any other item. Also, nobody is forcing you to undock with PLEXs in your hold. This is where people go wrong. No-one paid CCP for lossed titan. No-one paid CCP for lossed Jump Freighter. No-one paid CCP for lossed faction BS. Someone paid CCP for that lossed PLEX (15euros). So what. That person also took the risk of undocking with it to further increase profit on their investment. Once you convert GTC to PLEX they are like ANY other in game item now. Just like someone could go and sell GTC and PLEX to buy a Caldari navy raven or anything else they wanted and lose it that way too. You're operating on the logical farse, and just attaching intrinsic value to the PLEX it doesn't have. It's no different than any other item. And again, I think this bears repeating: THE MECHANICS OF THE PLEX MAKE YOU ABLE TO USE THE PLEX YOURSELF NO MATTER WHERE YOU ARE WITHOUT EVER UNDOCKING WITH IT IN YOUR HOLD. YOU ARE ONLY INCURRING RISK WHEN YOU DECIDE TO MOVE IT TO INCREASE YOUR OWN PROFIT OFF IT. Risk vs reward is all EVE ever is. If you don't like that, go play another game.
Kimsemus Imperium Technologies Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2010.07.09 17:09:00 - [6] Edited by: Kimsemus on 09/07/2010 17:10:33 Originally by: TimT7 Originally by: Kimsemus Originally by: TimT7 Originally by: Larkonis Trassler Destroying a PLEX through a gank is no different from destroying 300 mil's worth of goods in a similar fashion. Really it's not. You may have paid for the PLEX with RL monies but once it's in game it's just the same as any other item. Also, nobody is forcing you to undock with PLEXs in your hold. This is where people go wrong. No-one paid CCP for lossed titan. No-one paid CCP for lossed Jump Freighter. No-one paid CCP for lossed faction BS. Someone paid CCP for that lossed PLEX (15euros). So what. That person also took the risk of undocking with it to further increase profit on their investment. Once you convert GTC to PLEX they are like ANY other in game item now. Just like someone could go and sell GTC and PLEX to buy a Caldari navy raven or anything else they wanted and lose it that way too. You're operating on the logical farse, and just attaching intrinsic value to the PLEX it doesn't have. It's no different than any other item. And again, I think this bears repeating: THE MECHANICS OF THE PLEX MAKE YOU ABLE TO USE THE PLEX YOURSELF NO MATTER WHERE YOU ARE WITHOUT EVER UNDOCKING WITH IT IN YOUR HOLD. YOU ARE ONLY INCURRING RISK WHEN YOU DECIDE TO MOVE IT TO INCREASE YOUR OWN PROFIT OFF IT. Risk vs reward is all EVE ever is. If you don't like that, go play another game. As the supply of PLEX will diminish while the quantity demanded will remain the same the price of PLEX will go up. PLEX will cost more isk in the future because some of them gets destroyed. If you pay your gametime with isk you will lose due to this change. If you pay your gametime with real money and if you buy isk with real money you will get more isk in the future due to this change. This won't affect my play in anyway as I'm not gonna undock with plex. Wrong again. You're just arbitrarily assuming the cost will go up. You're also assuming one hundred morons undocking with 5000 PLEX in their holds and then immediately are going to get ganked or die with them. How is this going to affect supply? If anything supply is going to go UP since you can now redeem them in Outposts (Thank god). PLEX won't cost more ISK because they will be destroyed, they will probably cost much less because they can be moved around and suddenly other markets will open up and compete with Jita. More people will buy and use them as they will be more widely available everywhere. Don't be ridiculous. This is a good change all around. At the end of the day CCP may be the winner if an unredeemed PLEX gets destroyed, but if you think some Ronald Reagan-esque voodoo economic ripple is going to take effect and impact the market from someone losing a badger with a couple of PLEX in his/her hold you need to see a doctor. The entire blog can be boiled down to one sentence: PLEX is now a trade commodity. Just like Coolant or Robotic Parts. (Which like any other item can be bought with GTC or PLEX selling. Anything in EVE can be bought with real money. Just. Like. PLEX).
Kimsemus Imperium Technologies Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2010.07.10 16:40:00 - [7] Edited by: Kimsemus on 10/07/2010 16:40:14 PLEX weigh 0.01m3. Move them in an uber tanked Battleship. Well actually no, I fully believe that many of the crying carebears in this thread can't fly a Battleship. SO. PVPers! Make money moving PLEX for carebears! Take your Bhaalgorns and Haul to Dodixie!

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