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TimT7
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Posted - 2010.07.09 16:10:00 -
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Every plex that gets destroyed when a ship pops gives CCP like 15 euros (so you bought plex for 60d gametime 30e, now you get popped and your plex destroyed, you must pay CCP to get more gametime). Removing artificial restraints is only a cover story... Nothing illegal here, just good business sense from CCP. No-one is forced to undock with a PLEX in cargo, but some people surely will and in those cases CCP benefits.
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TimT7
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Posted - 2010.07.09 16:23:00 -
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 Originally by: Salpad
I agree with the other who have questioned the need for undocking with PLEXes at all.
If CCP wants people to fly around with PLEXes, then they should change the system further so that ETCs can only be converted to PLEXes at some stations and these PLEXes only converted to extra game-time at some other stations, so that every PLEX has to be moved. Preferably through at least one stargate, i.e. so that no solar system can contain a station with a ETC Converter and a PLEX converter.
If such a change is not implemented, then why would anyone ever undock?
Only the ones who want to benefit from the regional price differences want to undock with a plex. Thus the losers won't really mind when they lose and CCP wins everytime a PLEX get destroyed. Make no mistake here, CCP doesn't win if the PLEX drops as loot.
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TimT7
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Posted - 2010.07.09 16:29:00 -
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Originally by: Amerilia
Noone else noticing that CCP is simply greedy?
30 Days of playtime can be destroyed, CCP gets the money and noone gets the playtime 
This ^
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TimT7
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Posted - 2010.07.09 16:39:00 -
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CCP could remove subscription fees altogether. Just make everything cost real money: HAC 2 euros, BS 1 euro, JF 200 euros and titan 1000 euros. It's like this already anyways.
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TimT7
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Posted - 2010.07.09 16:56:00 -
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Originally by: Larkonis Trassler
Destroying a PLEX through a gank is no different from destroying 300 mil's worth of goods in a similar fashion. Really it's not. You may have paid for the PLEX with RL monies but once it's in game it's just the same as any other item.
Also, nobody is forcing you to undock with PLEXs in your hold.
This is where people go wrong. No-one paid CCP for lossed titan. No-one paid CCP for lossed Jump Freighter. No-one paid CCP for lossed faction BS. Someone paid CCP for that lossed PLEX (15euros).
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TimT7
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Posted - 2010.07.09 17:05:00 -
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Originally by: Kimsemus
Originally by: TimT7
Originally by: Larkonis Trassler
Destroying a PLEX through a gank is no different from destroying 300 mil's worth of goods in a similar fashion. Really it's not. You may have paid for the PLEX with RL monies but once it's in game it's just the same as any other item.
Also, nobody is forcing you to undock with PLEXs in your hold.
This is where people go wrong. No-one paid CCP for lossed titan. No-one paid CCP for lossed Jump Freighter. No-one paid CCP for lossed faction BS. Someone paid CCP for that lossed PLEX (15euros).
So what. That person also took the risk of undocking with it to further increase profit on their investment. Once you convert GTC to PLEX they are like ANY other in game item now. Just like someone could go and sell GTC and PLEX to buy a Caldari navy raven or anything else they wanted and lose it that way too. You're operating on the logical farse, and just attaching intrinsic value to the PLEX it doesn't have. It's no different than any other item. And again, I think this bears repeating:
THE MECHANICS OF THE PLEX MAKE YOU ABLE TO USE THE PLEX YOURSELF NO MATTER WHERE YOU ARE WITHOUT EVER UNDOCKING WITH IT IN YOUR HOLD. YOU ARE ONLY INCURRING RISK WHEN YOU DECIDE TO MOVE IT TO INCREASE YOUR OWN PROFIT OFF IT.
Risk vs reward is all EVE ever is. If you don't like that, go play another game.
As the supply of PLEX will diminish while the quantity demanded will remain the same the price of PLEX will go up. PLEX will cost more isk in the future because some of them gets destroyed. If you pay your gametime with isk you will lose due to this change. If you pay your gametime with real money and if you buy isk with real money you will get more isk in the future due to this change. This won't affect my play in anyway as I'm not gonna undock with plex.
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TimT7
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Posted - 2010.07.09 17:17:00 -
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Originally by: Kimsemus
Wrong again. You're just arbitrarily assuming the cost will go up. You're also assuming one hundred morons undocking with 5000 PLEX in their holds and then immediately are going to get ganked or die with them. How is this going to affect supply? If anything supply is going to go UP since you can now redeem them in Outposts (Thank god). PLEX won't cost more ISK because they will be destroyed, they will probably cost much less because they can be moved around and suddenly other markets will open up and compete with Jita. More people will buy and use them as they will be more widely available everywhere.
Don't be ridiculous. This is a good change all around. At the end of the day CCP may be the winner if an unredeemed PLEX gets destroyed, but if you think some Ronald Reagan-esque voodoo economic ripple is going to take effect and impact the market from someone losing a badger with a couple of PLEX in his/her hold you need to see a doctor.
The entire blog can be boiled down to one sentence: PLEX is now a trade commodity. Just like Coolant or Robotic Parts. (Which like any other item can be bought with GTC or PLEX selling. Anything in EVE can be bought with real money. Just. Like. PLEX).
It's fun how CCP thinks their subscribers are all morons who don't see the real logic behind this change. This is just plain greedy from CCP and that's the bottom line reason why I don't like the change. I can totally understand the change from CCP's point of view, I would like the free money too without having to provide anything (game content) in return.
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TimT7
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Posted - 2010.07.09 17:23:00 -
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Originally by: CopyCatz
Originally by: TimT7
It's fun how CCP thinks their subscribers are all morons who don't see the real logic behind this change. This is just plain greedy from CCP and that's the bottom line reason why I don't like the change. I can totally understand the change from CCP's point of view, I would like the free money too without having to provide anything (game content) in return.
Greed it is. But could it be illegal this time :) /me grabs popcorn 
I don't think it's illegal or anything. Other games have been offering in-game items for real money already (buy a shiny sword for 5 euros). I hope that CCP uses some of the free money to actually improve EVE (remove lag please).
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TimT7
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Posted - 2010.07.09 17:32:00 -
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Edited by: TimT7 on 09/07/2010 17:32:59
You can already buy SP:s with real money (max skilled or 100m sp character for X amount of ISK). You can already buy a titan with real money. The ISK+plex thing is just the middle point in this process of converting real money to ISK and then to in-game items or sp:s. CCP could just slap a real money pricetag on every item in this game. Titan 1000 euros, JF 200 euros etc. It's all good business but actually this kind of development will kill people's interest in EVE.
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