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Sajuk Khara
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Posted - 2010.07.09 23:52:00 -
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Hey guys sorry about this twice in 1 day :P,
I try to reframe from asking to many nablet questions but i was looking over skill trees and things and notices just how close i am to a. the ability to run lvl 4s (rep wise with caldari navy) and the fact than in just a matter of a couple of days I could theoreticaly fly a Raven.
So i figured i should probably ask this and get it out in the open. Roughly how long should it take to train the skills required to fly a raven in level 4's adiquatly without needing assistance or warping in and out of the encounter??
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Sandeep
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Posted - 2010.07.10 02:59:00 -
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I used to say 6 months before rigs came out. But with rigs and training bonuses today, probably 4 months? You still have to know aggro management and ship maneuvering though. Some missions are still going to be tougher. There is no shame in asking for help.
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Baneken
Gallente
Aseveljet
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Posted - 2010.07.10 07:08:00 -
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For mission running you have it easy as you don't have to put min. 50 days to get T2 large turrets. 
But to make it easy; put your raven and your dream T2 fit to EFT and export it to EVEMon which will then calculate how long it takes for you to train those skills for themodules.
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Khun SP
Paramite Factories
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Posted - 2010.07.10 10:58:00 -
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Edited by: Khun SP on 10/07/2010 11:02:19
Checks ingame.....
ARE U SERIOUS? Little girl you have been playing for 11 days, oh, this is why CCP should reconsider fixing learn times for Drake, Raven, etc.
Flying a Raven and doing lvl4 is serious business, at least it is for a new capsuleer. Please wait 3 months before considering to do lvl4 solo.
It's even too soon to drive a well fitted Drake. Please train your learn skills first and foremost, to 4/3 (basic/advanced). Then do some shield skills (under Skills --> Engineering section). Fit Invulnerability Field II, big shield boosters and large shield extenders.
Then aim for T2 cruise missiles (Raven) or T2 heavy missiles (Drake). In both cases you want to fire Fury missiles for better damage. Don't forget to fit 2 or 3 Ballistic Control System II, they make a good difference. And always train all your skills under Missile Launcher Operation group.
Finally train for T2 small light drones, they will help you against the little scary frigates that warpscramb your ship and who will make your Raven pop twice or more during your first missions, son don't fit uberexpensive stuff on your ship considering you will lose some, specially at this noob stage.
I suppose you have been doing them in gang for standings and protection, because no other way you could get to lvl4 solo in 11 days... or maybe this is an alt.
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Sajuk Khara
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Posted - 2010.07.10 11:34:00 -
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Lets see a basic (very basic named module fit) for a drake took around 8 days im Currently from just spamming through Missions at 1. something or other standing from being able to step foot into a lvl 4 mission (please note that I do not beleive that I can actually do one) Learning skills are all basic at 4 advances at 1 currently training Cybernetics 4 to equip the + 4 implants i have sat in my hanger (selling a couple gtc's kind of helps in that respect) While this is my only toon I do have prior experience with the game.
I started in open beta played a while and no longer have access to the account that I had at the time. My knowledge of the game is no longer current so I'm in technicality a newbie again. Training for a passive tank drake took most of the time till now its not a complete perfect fit 28 shield extender 4 beta reactor control 3 hardners 7 half way decent named launchers and a couple other bits I forget. I lack powergrid to bring online the rest of the tech to make the drake tank what it should be(however it does for level three's).
Please note i do not have any illusions of stepping foot into lvl 4s say 2morow. However I do realise that I could if I spent a few days training have a raven plus basic tech online however it wouldnt be a decent fit. Notice the word theoriticaly having the base battle ship skill to fly the ship itself and then the required skills to actually bring a full rack of faction/t2 kit online are differant matters.
This was why I asked the question I did in response to the raven. I do not expect to be in a battle ship inside a week however getting a rough estimate from more experienced players on what it should take time whise can only help. Co ording to evemon it would take 58 days to train for the raven itself however there are other things I want to train in along the way (further levels on learning skills to name just one) Anyways thanks for the input guys much appreciated :)
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Destamon
Azure Freelancers
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Posted - 2010.07.10 12:05:00 -
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Edited by: Destamon on 10/07/2010 12:15:24
Khun's order is pretty weird. T2 launchers are the last thing you need for L4, you can do fine without them. T2 drones I would train first, along with T2 active shield tank. Also, don't mix shield boosters and shield extenders.
Drake is quite effective even with very low skills, so go for a Drake for now so that you can farm L3s for some cash (about 5-6 mil per hour give or take). Train your fitting skills to bring it online properly (you will need fitting skills for the Raven, too). You should have two Ballstic Control Systems in the lows eventually.
For getting into a Raven, train for this. Should take you about three months I recon, depending on how many of the prerequisites you have. I have nearly that entire fit and I can tell you that "almost" fitting that is not quite enough for the tougher L4s.
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RentableMuffin
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Posted - 2010.07.10 19:36:00 -
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Edited by: RentableMuffin on 10/07/2010 19:44:09
2 or 3 months should be more than enough assuming you are on a fairly dedicated skill plan. might be a bit slow going at first but should beat the income from level 3s, and of course it will only get better as time goes on.
I started around 4 or 5 months in, but that was with a lot of side training, I had crap for missile and shield skills and bs3. and over the next few months I farmed the LP for a CNR and got that and ran more missions
 Originally by: Destamon
For getting into a Raven, train for this. Should take you about three months I recon, depending on how many of the prerequisites you have. I have nearly that entire fit and I can tell you that "almost" fitting that is not quite enough for the tougher L4s.
and dear god don't go for that fit. permatanks are dead imo.
I recommend this one (booster is a bit expensive, I usually just use a large booster II)
[Raven, Liang]
Damage Control II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Dread Guristas X-Large Shield Booster
Ballistic Deflection Field II
Ballistic Deflection Field II
Heat Dissipation Field II
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile
Salvager I
Small Tractor Beam I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Hobgoblin II x5
Hammerhead II x5
if you want to perma tank (more rigors are better, may or may not need the CCC rig)
[Raven, pithi b]
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster
Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster
Ballistic Deflection Field II
Ballistic Deflection Field II
Heat Dissipation Field II
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile
Salvager I
Small Tractor Beam I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Hobgoblin II x5
Hammerhead II x5
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Destamon
Azure Freelancers
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Posted - 2010.07.10 22:55:00 -
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Originally by: RentableMuffin
and dear god don't go for that fit. permatanks are dead imo.
Huh? It's not a permatank.
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Solomar Espersei
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2010.07.11 13:16:00 -
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Stick with the Drake until you've T2 drones and can fit both a T2 passive tank for your Drake, and then a T2 active tank for your Raven. Just because you can skill up the basic hull doesn't mean you should jump in it and start PVEing or PVPing with the darned thing.
Make a goal for yourself to train your basic hull (in any ship you intend to spend time in) to Lv 4 before doing anything terribly taxing in it. You'll lose fewer ships that way and be better at whatever it is you're trying to do. The EVE skill trees are pretty harsh. If you're not specialized at a task, you pretty much suck at it, even if you don't realize that you suck at it. 
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Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.07.12 15:59:00 -
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I started doing level 4 mission in a Drake when I was thoroughly toasting level 3 missions.
I moved into a Raven for level 4 missions when I felt comfortable doing them in the Drake.
I lost my first Raven the next day.
I replaced that Raven and now even have a Navy Raven. I never lost another.
Piloting a Battleship is not only about skill points, but about battleship PvE tactics, which are different than Battlecruiser / Cruiser / Frigate PvE tactics. Simple PvE tactics, but without learning them you will get toasted.
Best to take your time an not rush it. You will know when you are ready.
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RentableMuffin
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Posted - 2010.07.12 18:49:00 -
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Originally by: Destamon
Originally by: RentableMuffin
and dear god don't go for that fit. permatanks are dead imo.
Huh? It's not a permatank.
so it's not. however fitting that many cap mods is a waste of slots
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Joe Starbreaker
M. Corp
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Posted - 2010.07.12 19:04:00 -
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Keep in mind that you'll want all the relevant skills at level 4, not just the minimum required for the ship or module. I would go into EveMON and just call for EVERY shield skill at level 4, every relevant missile skill at level 4, and every energy/capacitor skill at level 4. You'll also need drones 5, scout drone operation 5, and drone interfacing 3 or 4, so that you can use light T2 drones to keep you safe from warp scrambling drones.
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Captain Yifan
Shadows Of The Requiem
Everto Rex Regis
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Posted - 2010.07.12 19:31:00 -
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I second what others are telling you. In short, do not rush into a battleship. In EvE, bigger isnt always better. Have the necessary skills trained first. I started doing lvl4s in a battleship after 3 and a half months of training. Yes if I rush I could've done it a little bit earlier but I'll be doing it so slow its not even funny.
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