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Sed Man
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Posted - 2010.07.12 02:03:00 -
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There are people in CCP who philosophically would not like this suggestion as it would allow a player to 'buy endgame'.
But I would highlight that someone could already 'buy endgame' by buying PLEX, converting to ISK, then buy an existing toon with the desired amount of SP.
Considering the facility already exists to add any amount of SP to a toon, why not have SP as one of the things available with real $s to be redeemed for a toon of your choice?
Yes this would give people with $'s an advantage, but that is the case already with PLEX.
The question would be though... PLEX is worth ~300mil.... so what would 100k of SP be worth?.. or how many SP should you get for 300mill? If it were to be considered, would there be any rules? like no more than X thousand / mill SP in any time frame? or if you reach a particular SP level you cant buy more?
Anyhow, discussion anyone?
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zus
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Posted - 2010.07.12 02:14:00 -
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One of my most exciting game times it was when I was new to the game and strangling to make an isk end everything was so match more challenging are you willing to give all this up.?
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Sed Man
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Posted - 2010.07.12 02:34:00 -
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 Originally by: zus
One of my most exciting game times it was when I was new to the game and strangling to make an isk end everything was so match more challenging are you willing to give all this up.?
Good point, but my interest is in exploring and discovering and getting unique and interesting things and having expert knowledge in specific areas. I'm not interested in being in someone elses corp and working to their plan, I play solo and I like it that way.
There is no challange in waiting for time to pass, only the challange of justifying the subscription to wait while sitting in a station in chat to waste away the time while the skills for something like a recon ship are completed. Basically I'm stuck in hisec for the next 3 months.
CCP are quite happy with this, they get their monthly subscription fee, but what am I getting out of it?... I can mission and scan with a frig and thats fun to an extent... dont need to mine because I can afford PLEX, I do trade for something to do, I'm not intersted in building things/POS stuff, and I'm not intersted in PvP where my hard earned ISK gets gets turned to dust....
EVE is a good game, but as a solo player, it does get boring waiting on skills to complete, and if the option is be a corp (team) player or leave, I'll be inclined to take my $40p/m and put it back in my wallet.
For the moment, I'll sit back and wait for the 50 odd days till I can remap from int/mem to per/wil and then another 90 days to get all the gunnary and command skills so I can buy a recon ship so I can goto lowsec with a chance of not getting instapopped as soon as I jump the gate.....
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Misanthra
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Posted - 2010.07.12 02:44:00 -
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Edited by: Misanthra on 12/07/2010 02:44:52
Originally by: Sed Man
The question would be though... PLEX is worth ~300mil.... so what would 100k of SP be worth?.. or how many SP should you get for 300mill? If it were to be considered, would there be any rules? like no more than X thousand / mill SP in any time frame? or if you reach a particular SP level you cant buy more?
Anyhow, discussion anyone?
1 mil sp worth 225-250 mil in the toon buying section. Unless something omfg unique about the char would not pay .01 isk more if me.
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Reais
Minmatar
Lynx Frontier Inc.
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Posted - 2010.07.12 03:12:00 -
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No.... Just... No.
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Sed Man
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Posted - 2010.07.12 04:59:00 -
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Originally by: Reais
No.... Just... No.
any logical reasons
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Simone deBeauvoir
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Posted - 2010.07.12 05:11:00 -
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I'm down with plex buyers having "skill advantage" because it gives CCP more money to hire developers and make me a better game. It would take significant real world money to buy yourself a materially worthwhile toon, so I wouldn't expect this to be widespread.
I'm not ok with those who have the ability to generate lots of ISK having said advantage because you just made this WoW (i.e. lots of time to play = lots of incremental "leveling"). It's cool that I don't need ISK or lots of spare game time to build a better character - long run success is derived from my RL intellect and knowledge of game mechanics.
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Misanthra
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Posted - 2010.07.12 05:23:00 -
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Edited by: Misanthra on 12/07/2010 05:23:44
there is a fine selection of microtransaction games out there to enjoy...no need to make eve like that a good enough reason.
Powerlevelling by paying for it actually detrimental to game another. Some very rich players and alliances out there. Think blobs suck now out in 0.0...imagine macro'ing corps and die hard carebears being able to turn billions of isk to sp on alts. Large Capital fleets over night not outside the realm of possibility. For empire...you won't get the rl skills learned grinding. Will die day one in your marauder you plexed for (cause oddly enough the training time for that ship makes you the isk to pay for it to be fully fit...especially if most isk you have is going to pay for sp), say the game sucks and emo rage quit.
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Sed Man
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Posted - 2010.07.12 05:42:00 -
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Originally by: Misanthra
Edited by: Misanthra on 12/07/2010 05:23:44
there is a fine selection of microtransaction games out there to enjoy...no need to make eve like that a good enough reason.
Powerlevelling by paying for it actually detrimental to game another. Some very rich players and alliances out there. Think blobs suck now out in 0.0...imagine macro'ing corps and die hard carebears being able to turn billions of isk to sp on alts. Large Capital fleets over night not outside the realm of possibility. For empire...you won't get the rl skills learned grinding. Will die day one in your marauder you plexed for (cause oddly enough the training time for that ship makes you the isk to pay for it to be fully fit...especially if most isk you have is going to pay for sp), say the game sucks and emo rage quit.
but someone can do it already, they just sell PLEX till they have enough ISK to buy an already trained toon, and then emoragequit anyway...
Obviously there needs to be some rules involved so that the system is not abused, eg X # of SP redeemed in this way per month/6months/yearly???
Check mthis toon, I have ground my ass off, and my eyes have bleed' but I'm still 90 days away from a recon / scanner ship which I want to use to explore all of new eden. I shouldnt have to be a sycophant / work for someone else in their corp to goto lowsec/nullsec space... and its only arbitary time limits set by someone in CCP thats stopping me from enjoying all eve has to offer...
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James Vayne
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Posted - 2010.07.12 07:48:00 -
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Edited by: James Vayne on 12/07/2010 07:49:04
My simple conclusion would be those people who choose to buy a 60 day GTC from CCP should receive a 50% boost to their training time for those 60 days. Just the redeeming of the item, not the actual application of the GTC (to avoid an Sp selling black market). (this does not include subscription).
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Simone deBeauvoir
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Posted - 2010.07.12 10:10:00 -
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Originally by: James Vayne
Edited by: James Vayne on 12/07/2010 07:49:04
My simple conclusion would be those people who choose to buy a 60 day GTC from CCP should receive a 50% boost to their training time for those 60 days. Just the redeeming of the item, not the actual application of the GTC (to avoid an Sp selling black market). (this does not include subscription).
Maybe I'm interpreting your suggestion wrong, but why would anyone ever pay for their account in the normal manner if this was implemented? I would just buy plexes and use them to keep my account going. Same price, but a magical 50% training bonus to boot. Unless you are suggesting making plexes 50% more expensive?
Buying a toon is expensive and inefficient in terms of getting the exact skills you need, so its not nearly the advantage that buying skill points would be. Personally, think it's right that plexes enable you to accumulate enough ISK to buy toons. But allowing you to recieve training bonuses that you can apply to an existing character with 100% efficiency strays too far from the game's level playing field when it comes to character development.
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Ramashek
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.07.12 10:24:00 -
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Buying SP = Rich Person buying 30 Day Account, Skilling Up, Not Actually Playing, and then finally leaving because they're bored.
PLEX's are cash, it doesn't buy skill, and yes, they may buy characters with the Isk, but there's still a finite amount of those high skilled players in the game, with this suggested, there will be loads, which isn't a bad thing, but then people will be crying for endgame cus there's no more skills to train...
Therefore, Problem Idea becomes.. Another Problem which is unsolvable... which is a Bad Idea
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wiersma
Caldari
Exo corporation
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Posted - 2010.07.12 11:09:00 -
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Wouldnt that be a bit unfair for all of us pilots that spend years getting where we are and then passed by someone with loads of isk bought trough selling plex ?
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Sed Man
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Posted - 2010.07.12 11:45:00 -
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Originally by: wiersma
Wouldnt that be a bit unfair for all of us pilots that spend years getting where we are and then passed by someone with loads of isk bought trough selling plex ?
cyclic redundancy error... PLEX can buy pre-trained toons.
my alt is trained to lvl5 for all learning skills except presence, I wouldn't care.
what is the 'official' timeframe? like from someone who has played for years, how long do you think a new player should wait before being in a competitive position?... never?...
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Misanthra
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Posted - 2010.07.12 12:44:00 -
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Originally by: wiersma
Wouldnt that be a bit unfair for all of us pilots that spend years getting where we are and then passed by someone with loads of isk bought trough selling plex ?
for pve this not a major issue...actually would kind of welcome as I can make some of the bs' they will blow up going from cruiser to bs in 2 days at low cost to get some good mark up profit. But seriously, richer carebears to buy factions and the rare officers I find always welcome. If making 20 mil vice 10 mil an hour worth $300 to someone...go for it.
Problem is this would mess up pvp. Rushed toons be the same thing as bought toons and harder to track if they lie about it. "I sold my combat toon along time ago then quit for a bit...jsut used the money on a holding char to get this toon fleet bs spec in a month" be a popular line.
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Chesty McJubblies
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Posted - 2010.07.12 14:09:00 -
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Originally by: wiersma
Wouldnt that be a bit unfair for all of us pilots that spend years getting where we are and then passed by someone with loads of isk bought trough selling plex ?
Life is unfair.
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WarpOutNow
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Posted - 2010.07.12 14:48:00 -
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Yeah let's do this. 1SP = 1Ç.
Imokaywiththis
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Tub Chil
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Posted - 2010.07.12 17:25:00 -
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It was discussed many many times, why did you feel like dedicating one more topic to this issue..
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