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Robert VonBraun
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Posted - 2004.12.18 02:43:00 -
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Battlecruisers, sometimes called Pocket Battleships, are supposed to have the firepower of a small battleship and the armor of a cruiser. Instead we got the firepower of a cruiser and the armor of a battleship.
A true battlecruiser would have few high slots but the capability of using large weaponry and less armor and more mobility.
They're meant to combat battleships on a budget.
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Robert VonBraun
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Posted - 2004.12.18 02:43:00 -
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Battlecruisers, sometimes called Pocket Battleships, are supposed to have the firepower of a small battleship and the armor of a cruiser. Instead we got the firepower of a cruiser and the armor of a battleship.
A true battlecruiser would have few high slots but the capability of using large weaponry and less armor and more mobility.
They're meant to combat battleships on a budget.
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D'uu M'ii
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Posted - 2004.12.18 02:47:00 -
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So YOU say. Join the DEV/Programming Team then what you say will matter. |
D'uu M'ii
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Posted - 2004.12.18 02:47:00 -
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So YOU say. Join the DEV/Programming Team then what you say will matter. |
Robert VonBraun
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Posted - 2004.12.18 03:06:00 -
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 Originally by: D'uu M'ii
So YOU say. Join the DEV/Programming Team then what you say will matter.
Historically what I say is true. You may just want to educate yours self on the subject before you reply with your little smartass remarks. in not reply to someone elses subjects and leave this one alone
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Robert VonBraun
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Posted - 2004.12.18 03:06:00 -
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Originally by: D'uu M'ii
So YOU say. Join the DEV/Programming Team then what you say will matter.
Historically what I say is true. You may just want to educate yours self on the subject before you reply with your little smartass remarks. in not reply to someone elses subjects and leave this one alone
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The Speaker
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Posted - 2004.12.18 03:22:00 -
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Its been over a thousand times on the fourms, yes thats what they are in histroy but that wouldn't work that well in eve. Sure they do high damage, till a bs takes them out in two volleys, cruiser armor just won't last with the way the game works atm. Anyway, having roughly 4 large guns or so wouldn't really do anymore solid damage then 6-7 medium guns thanks to things like tracking.
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The Speaker
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Posted - 2004.12.18 03:22:00 -
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Its been over a thousand times on the fourms, yes thats what they are in histroy but that wouldn't work that well in eve. Sure they do high damage, till a bs takes them out in two volleys, cruiser armor just won't last with the way the game works atm. Anyway, having roughly 4 large guns or so wouldn't really do anymore solid damage then 6-7 medium guns thanks to things like tracking.
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Nomen Nescio
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Posted - 2004.12.18 03:27:00 -
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Edited by: Nomen Nescio on 18/12/2004 03:28:06
Edited by: Nomen Nescio on 18/12/2004 03:27:24
Then talking about history, its always better to know the subject.
We have a "german battlecruser" in game now. Big armor + small guns.
Big guns, weak armor is "british battlecruser"
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Nomen Nescio
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Posted - 2004.12.18 03:27:00 -
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Edited by: Nomen Nescio on 18/12/2004 03:28:06
Edited by: Nomen Nescio on 18/12/2004 03:27:24
Then talking about history, its always better to know the subject.
We have a "german battlecruser" in game now. Big armor + small guns.
Big guns, weak armor is "british battlecruser"
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Archbishop
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Posted - 2004.12.18 05:15:00 -
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Ive thought of this also. I had visions of setting up my Prophecy with a couple large turrets and a couple small. I too thought "pocket battleship" and was thinking of making my own Graf Spee.
Needless to say it didnt work.
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Archbishop
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Posted - 2004.12.18 05:15:00 -
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Ive thought of this also. I had visions of setting up my Prophecy with a couple large turrets and a couple small. I too thought "pocket battleship" and was thinking of making my own Graf Spee.
Needless to say it didnt work.
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Polydectes
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Posted - 2004.12.18 06:13:00 -
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Originally by: Nomen Nescio
Edited by: Nomen Nescio on 18/12/2004 03:28:06
Edited by: Nomen Nescio on 18/12/2004 03:27:24
Then talking about history, its always better to know the subject.
We have a "german battlecruser" in game now. Big armor + small guns.
Big guns, weak armor is "british battlecruser"
Other way around I believe. The bismark and the Turpix had massive guns and low armor do to the fact that prior to 1939 the allies put a restriction on the tonnage that the German's could use on ships ( as agreed in the armistice of post WW1). So what they did was keep the weight low and add on massive guns, and make the ship be able to run like hell to get away from british ships that were heavy armor and super slow.
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Polydectes
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Posted - 2004.12.18 06:13:00 -
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Originally by: Nomen Nescio
Edited by: Nomen Nescio on 18/12/2004 03:28:06
Edited by: Nomen Nescio on 18/12/2004 03:27:24
Then talking about history, its always better to know the subject.
We have a "german battlecruser" in game now. Big armor + small guns.
Big guns, weak armor is "british battlecruser"
Other way around I believe. The bismark and the Turpix had massive guns and low armor do to the fact that prior to 1939 the allies put a restriction on the tonnage that the German's could use on ships ( as agreed in the armistice of post WW1). So what they did was keep the weight low and add on massive guns, and make the ship be able to run like hell to get away from british ships that were heavy armor and super slow.
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LtCol RTButts
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Posted - 2004.12.18 07:08:00 -
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Originally by: Robert VonBraun
Battlecruisers, sometimes called Pocket Battleships, are supposed to have the firepower of a small battleship and the armor of a cruiser. Instead we got the firepower of a cruiser and the armor of a battleship.
A true battlecruiser would have few high slots but the capability of using large weaponry and less armor and more mobility.
They're meant to combat battleships on a budget.
let me add one point please,
it`s weakness to stay 2 shots from a real battleship. battlecruiser were planed and build to kill cruisers very fast. skagerak battle showed that they re useless against real battleships.
BUT, it is only a name and has nothing todo with RL history .... they can call their ships with flower names or with fastfood shop names, whatever ... this is VL and has no past.
it is always funny to see some try to get it back with our own RL history. question would be, whats with the minmatar or amarr history ... 
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LtCol RTButts
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Posted - 2004.12.18 07:08:00 -
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Originally by: Robert VonBraun
Battlecruisers, sometimes called Pocket Battleships, are supposed to have the firepower of a small battleship and the armor of a cruiser. Instead we got the firepower of a cruiser and the armor of a battleship.
A true battlecruiser would have few high slots but the capability of using large weaponry and less armor and more mobility.
They're meant to combat battleships on a budget.
let me add one point please,
it`s weakness to stay 2 shots from a real battleship. battlecruiser were planed and build to kill cruisers very fast. skagerak battle showed that they re useless against real battleships.
BUT, it is only a name and has nothing todo with RL history .... they can call their ships with flower names or with fastfood shop names, whatever ... this is VL and has no past.
it is always funny to see some try to get it back with our own RL history. question would be, whats with the minmatar or amarr history ...
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Vicker Lahn'se
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Posted - 2004.12.18 09:03:00 -
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Originally by: Polydectes
Originally by: Nomen Nescio
Edited by: Nomen Nescio on 18/12/2004 03:28:06
Edited by: Nomen Nescio on 18/12/2004 03:27:24
Then talking about history, its always better to know the subject.
We have a "german battlecruser" in game now. Big armor + small guns.
Big guns, weak armor is "british battlecruser"
Other way around I believe. The bismark and the Turpix had massive guns and low armor do to the fact that prior to 1939 the allies put a restriction on the tonnage that the German's could use on ships ( as agreed in the armistice of post WW1). So what they did was keep the weight low and add on massive guns, and make the ship be able to run like hell to get away from british ships that were heavy armor and super slow.
Since when were the Bismarck and the Tirpitz battlecruisers??? They were battleships! The Tirpitz was the largest ship ever created by Germany. Also, you are quite mistaken about them having low armor. They had both massive guns and massive armor. The Brits had to swarm the Bismarck with a large fleet to take it down, even when it was crippled. Saying that the Bismarck had light armor is like saying Buicks are compact cars. The Bismarck was the epitome of power and strength.
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Vicker Lahn'se
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Posted - 2004.12.18 09:03:00 -
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Originally by: Polydectes
Originally by: Nomen Nescio
Edited by: Nomen Nescio on 18/12/2004 03:28:06
Edited by: Nomen Nescio on 18/12/2004 03:27:24
Then talking about history, its always better to know the subject.
We have a "german battlecruser" in game now. Big armor + small guns.
Big guns, weak armor is "british battlecruser"
Other way around I believe. The bismark and the Turpix had massive guns and low armor do to the fact that prior to 1939 the allies put a restriction on the tonnage that the German's could use on ships ( as agreed in the armistice of post WW1). So what they did was keep the weight low and add on massive guns, and make the ship be able to run like hell to get away from british ships that were heavy armor and super slow.
Since when were the Bismarck and the Tirpitz battlecruisers??? They were battleships! The Tirpitz was the largest ship ever created by Germany. Also, you are quite mistaken about them having low armor. They had both massive guns and massive armor. The Brits had to swarm the Bismarck with a large fleet to take it down, even when it was crippled. Saying that the Bismarck had light armor is like saying Buicks are compact cars. The Bismarck was the epitome of power and strength.
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2004.12.18 09:06:00 -
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I think he might be thinking of the Graf Spee (sp?) the German pocket battleship raider that wrought havoc on merchant shipping and then had to blow itself up after getting cornered by 3 british cruisers in Montevideo harbour.
Star Fraction
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2004.12.18 09:06:00 -
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I think he might be thinking of the Graf Spee (sp?) the German pocket battleship raider that wrought havoc on merchant shipping and then had to blow itself up after getting cornered by 3 british cruisers in Montevideo harbour.
Star Fraction
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Carmen Priano
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Posted - 2004.12.18 09:30:00 -
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Nomen Nescio is likely talking about the state of ships during World War 1. Up until that point, the German naval doctrine was centered around one idea: "A ship's principle objective is to not sink" -- to this end, German ships were finely engineered, well-armored but had relatively lighter guns than comparable British ships. British ships, by comparison, tended to be marginally faster and carry heavier guns, but engineering faults and the opinions of the Admiralty resulted in lower survivability. A book I'd recommend on this is "Castles of Steel," by Robert K. Massie.
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Carmen Priano
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Posted - 2004.12.18 09:30:00 -
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Nomen Nescio is likely talking about the state of ships during World War 1. Up until that point, the German naval doctrine was centered around one idea: "A ship's principle objective is to not sink" -- to this end, German ships were finely engineered, well-armored but had relatively lighter guns than comparable British ships. British ships, by comparison, tended to be marginally faster and carry heavier guns, but engineering faults and the opinions of the Admiralty resulted in lower survivability. A book I'd recommend on this is "Castles of Steel," by Robert K. Massie.
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Telkanes Serkant
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Posted - 2004.12.18 11:11:00 -
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Yeah agreed, Brit ships had humongous amounts of fire power but in WW1 era the Dreadnoughts were less well built than thier german competitors, look at the battle of Jutland for instance! :)
And if anyone starts on about H.M.S HOOD Vs Bismarck then think this:
Hood was a WW1 Battleship with hastily added armour to beef her up she was a Pretty lady with big guns but outdated systems, On the other hand the Bismarck had an Analouge tracking computer (Cranked with wheels!) and the latest armour and hull design hoods only chance would have been a lucky strike unfortunately the Germans put a shell through the upper decking into the magazine and......welll we know what happened to the pretty lady.
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Telkanes Serkant
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Posted - 2004.12.18 11:11:00 -
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Yeah agreed, Brit ships had humongous amounts of fire power but in WW1 era the Dreadnoughts were less well built than thier german competitors, look at the battle of Jutland for instance! :)
And if anyone starts on about H.M.S HOOD Vs Bismarck then think this:
Hood was a WW1 Battleship with hastily added armour to beef her up she was a Pretty lady with big guns but outdated systems, On the other hand the Bismarck had an Analouge tracking computer (Cranked with wheels!) and the latest armour and hull design hoods only chance would have been a lucky strike unfortunately the Germans put a shell through the upper decking into the magazine and......welll we know what happened to the pretty lady.
-Telk
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Shadowsword
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Posted - 2004.12.18 11:18:00 -
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Eve is a GAME, so comparaison with reality doesn't apply.
That being said, what would happen if battlecruisers had 5k powergrid? Most would just fit large armor repairers, 1600 plates and keep cruiser guns, because they're almost as good than large weapons.
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Shadowsword
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Posted - 2004.12.18 11:18:00 -
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Eve is a GAME, so comparaison with reality doesn't apply.
That being said, what would happen if battlecruisers had 5k powergrid? Most would just fit large armor repairers, 1600 plates and keep cruiser guns, because they're almost as good than large weapons.
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Tar om
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Posted - 2004.12.18 11:33:00 -
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What you say about HMS Hood was true, she was old and did not have modern armour (weak decks especially) but she was a battlecruiser from the start, not a battleship.
http://www.hmshood.com/
Both sides had "gunnery computers" but Bismark also had radar.
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Tar om
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Posted - 2004.12.18 11:33:00 -
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What you say about HMS Hood was true, she was old and did not have modern armour (weak decks especially) but she was a battlecruiser from the start, not a battleship.
http://www.hmshood.com/
Both sides had "gunnery computers" but Bismark also had radar.
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Fred0
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Posted - 2004.12.18 11:43:00 -
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RL analogies are pointless as arguments in EVE and how this game should be.
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Fred0
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Posted - 2004.12.18 11:43:00 -
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RL analogies are pointless as arguments in EVE and how this game should be.
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