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Global Comms
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Posted - 2010.07.13 04:01:00 -
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Edited by: Global Comms on 13/07/2010 04:01:56
CCP have ruled out devoting any time to low sec for the next 2 years at least lol (read csm5 transcripts)
Its great to know having a pirate as the CSM chairperson had such an effect
I am assuming we will be having a protest resignation from said person in response to this?
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Admiral Pelleon
White Shadow Imperium
Reckoning.
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Posted - 2010.07.13 04:08:00 -
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What is low sec?
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2010.07.13 05:48:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral Pelleon
What is low sec?
Its that bit of space you travel through between running lvl4's in highsec and PvPing in 0.0.
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Brea Tharen
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Posted - 2010.07.13 06:13:00 -
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I could be wrong but I thought that your pirate CSM already got thrown out for being a punk.
If so, I'm thinking they probably were too busy trying to scam for themselves to actually help anyone.
Next time vote a Merc in.
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Gladys Pank
Amarr
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.07.13 06:24:00 -
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Originally by: Brea Tharen
I could be wrong but I thought that your pirate CSM already got thrown out for being a punk.
If so, I'm thinking they probably were too busy trying to scam for themselves to actually help anyone.
Next time vote a Merc in.
Are you dumb or just dumb and trolling.
It was a carebear CSM that got thrown out. Mynxee is an ex-pirate turned merc and is currently chairing the CSM.
GTFO.
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2010.07.13 07:48:00 -
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Edited by: Lana Torrin on 13/07/2010 07:48:13
Lana has read Mynxees report, and well, I actually find it a bit encouraging.. Oh and its 18 months not 24..
So, why do I find it encouraging? Well, basically because CCP agreed with everything that was said, they just didn't have time to do anything about it right now. This give US (and the CSM) 18 months to mindcraft what we want lowsec to be. CCP is OPEN to the idea of changing lowsec, and they want us to do the work for them, AND I SAY WE SHOULD. Its our game, lets design it!
Edit: Yes I have taken my meds today.
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Velocity Prime
Misfit Toys
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Posted - 2010.07.13 07:59:00 -
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What's wrong with low sec?
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Gladys Pank
Amarr
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.07.13 08:10:00 -
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Originally by: Velocity Prime
What's wrong with low sec?
I only see four kills in low sec for you and one of them was a cyno atron 
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2010.07.13 08:14:00 -
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Originally by: Velocity Prime
What's wrong with low sec?
The vast majority of it (which I shall call black rise and placid) is an empty wasteland filled with nothing. The odd pocket is filled with multiple PvP groups (most of which blob and have NAPs with each other) and can be quite fun.
The problem with it is that you could just turn it in to 0.0 space and most people wouldn't notice, and in fact some would welcome it. It has no identity of its own (unless you count being a vast wasteland an identity). It has no soul. It doesn't even really fit within the concept of eve.. Its empire space, but the empire doesn't care about it and refuses to defend it even one little bit... But no one else can take it over.. But there is no good reason for that as the empire just says it is theirs and that's good enough.
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Dotard
Minmatar
Com-Star
SOLARIS - SYNDICATE
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Posted - 2010.07.13 09:47:00 -
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Well there's plenty of good "roleplay" explanations: Not worth while devoting navy forces or police to because...not of strategic interest, no resources worth protecting, too dangerous (npc) pirates roaming about. Pretty much any reason will fit as long as the empire's resources and forces aren't unlimited.
More on topic: At some point they did bring BS rats to lowsec, since Dominion there are some really decent moons in low and PI brings in the occasional hauler as well. I'm not saying they shouldn't make lowsec more attractive for pve...but I see the whole concept of lowsec as a pvp concept. What use are stabbed/cloaked/nanod ratters and 1mil haulers in your lowsec when nobody wants a fight? I have no idea what it might be, but something needs to be done to bring pvp back to lowsec. I mean pvp, not blob warfare.
In addition to that imho lowsec is way too safe. Increase redocking delays, stop jumping games, maybe allow attackers to jump without having to wait...these are just ideas that came to mind right now, they kinda suck, but you get the general direction.
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Andrea Skye
Caldari
The Python Cartel.
The Jerk Cartel
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Posted - 2010.07.13 10:31:00 -
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As a player who has been living in low sec pretty much the whole time since I started playing...
I DISAPPROVE.
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Misanth
Reaper Industries
Asset Liberation Front.
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Posted - 2010.07.13 10:48:00 -
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Edited by: Misanth on 13/07/2010 10:50:10
Lowsec is decent today. Yeah, it got issues (especially hard to find 'what is lowsec about'), but if we just get a fix to the unique low-sec lag then we're already on a good way towards a better place.
As long as CCP want 0.0 to be "endgame", lowsec will never be a profitable region for carebears, period. And spaceholding alliances want conquerable stations.
What lowsec got today, is the potential to find smaller groups of players who actually wants to fight. Unlike high- or nullsec. That's where the potential boosts should come as well.
So roughly;
* Don't ever make lowsec a 'rich' region (in fact, remove the moon mining from it kthxplx).
* Fix the ridicilously lag that only exist in lowsec.
* Take a look at station game mechanics, CCP have during the years nerfed stabs, nano, etc, all time saying players should "commit" to fighting. Force them to commit on stations too.
It's pretty easy to grind up sec from -10 today, and the markets in lowsec should be flourishing as long as there's people that want to buy stuff there. Killing carebears isn't "PvP" (ganking is damn fun, a good fight even more so).
Now that belt ratters are damn hard to find, most targets in 0.0 is either sitting in a blob, or an anomaly in a station system with gazillion friends and cynojammer + caps in system. It's not a great hunting ground. I find myself being drawn back to lowsec again, tbh. It isn't that bad really, as long as we keep the blobs outta there.
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Jack Dant
Minmatar
The Gentlemen of Low Moral Fibre
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Posted - 2010.07.13 10:54:00 -
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Originally by: Velocity Prime
What's wrong with low sec?
While lowsec it's reasonably fine from a small gang PVP point of view, there is no motivation to be there (other than said PVP).
The good moons, where they exist, are owned by 0.0 alliances, because they have the resources to take and defend them. Mining is useless, missions hard to secure properly, and PI tends to be a solo activity that doesn't encourage any kind of defense op.
Added to that, lowsec PVP will shut you out of highsec, so it becomes really unappealing for highsec corps/alliances to move there.
It's a bit sad that most of my actual PVP in lowsec is essentially consensual (as in, someone is looking to fight pirates, some pirates go fight them).
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Misanth
Reaper Industries
Asset Liberation Front.
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Posted - 2010.07.13 11:03:00 -
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Edited by: Misanth on 13/07/2010 11:03:24
Originally by: Jack Dant
Originally by: Velocity Prime
What's wrong with low sec?
While lowsec it's reasonably fine from a small gang PVP point of view, there is no motivation to be there (other than said PVP).
The good moons, where they exist, are owned by 0.0 alliances, because they have the resources to take and defend them. Mining is useless, missions hard to secure properly, and PI tends to be a solo activity that doesn't encourage any kind of defense op.
Added to that, lowsec PVP will shut you out of highsec, so it becomes really unappealing for highsec corps/alliances to move there.
It's a bit sad that most of my actual PVP in lowsec is essentially consensual (as in, someone is looking to fight pirates, some pirates go fight them).
That's exactly why lowsec is good. 
Consensual fights vs others with (hopefully) some sort of skill, and interest in fighting. Not too blobby, and no major interest from spaceholding alliances to go there.
Just get rid of the moon mining, fix the lag and station games, and we're spot on. 
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ISK1machine
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Posted - 2010.07.13 11:15:00 -
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Originally by: Lana Torrin
Originally by: Admiral Pelleon
What is low sec?
Its that bit of space you travel through between running lvl4's in highsec and PvPing in 0.0.
No you dont really need to travel through since there are jump clones.Actually you dont even have to fly through when you first place a jump clone to 0.0.If your corp has an office you just suicide your self directly
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Jack Dant
Minmatar
The Gentlemen of Low Moral Fibre
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Posted - 2010.07.13 11:22:00 -
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Originally by: Misanth
That's exactly why lowsec is good.
Consensual fights vs others with (hopefully) some sort of skill, and interest in fighting. Not too blobby, and no major interest from spaceholding alliances to go there.
Just get rid of the moon mining, fix the lag and station games, and we're spot on.
Oh, I kind of agree, but if consensual fights are the purpose of lowsec, why am I getting sec hits for starting them? Not really complaining, being -10 is worth it, but it makes no sense.
But the moon mining doesn't bother me at all, it just gives me a chance to steal a tower every month or two. Which is part of the spirit of lowsec, really.
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Dotard
Minmatar
Com-Star
SOLARIS - SYNDICATE
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Posted - 2010.07.13 11:29:00 -
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Put a can out. Aggro the pirate. If it's really consensual it shouldn't matter. And once your sec is bad enough, you aggro anyway. =)
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Beachura
Two Maidens One Chalice
Equillibrium.
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Posted - 2010.07.13 11:36:00 -
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Originally by: Lana Torrin
Originally by: Admiral Pelleon
What is low sec?
Its that bit of space you travel through between running lvl4's in highsec and PvPing in 0.0.
Lana, marry me
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The'Best Hellfury
Incura
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Posted - 2010.07.13 11:39:00 -
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:welp:
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Jack Dant
Minmatar
The Gentlemen of Low Moral Fibre
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Posted - 2010.07.13 11:41:00 -
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Originally by: Dotard
Put a can out. Aggro the pirate. If it's really consensual it shouldn't matter. And once your sec is bad enough, you aggro anyway. =)
You misunderstand, I'm -10, people can engage me whenever they want.
By consensual, I mean both sides are looking for a fight, and both get it. Not some lame arranged fight where you drop cans or whatever. If you bring a PVP gang to lowsec to hunt pirates, and a pirate gang baits and engages you, that's consensual PVP in my book
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Ava Starfire
Minmatar
Nordanverdr Modr
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Posted - 2010.07.13 11:52:00 -
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I like losec, more or less, just as it is. I find plenty of people to fight. I simply miss most of them due to my own mistakes, and ofc short scram range.
Giving people "a reason to come there" will just encourage big blobs of them to come. Better rats would be nice, but far from a requirement.
I think losec needs a player base not terrified of losing even one frigate. I sometimes wonder how many of us are playing Eve and how many are playing Killmails Online.
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Misanth
Reaper Industries
Asset Liberation Front.
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Posted - 2010.07.13 11:54:00 -
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Edited by: Misanth on 13/07/2010 11:55:01
Originally by: Jack Dant
Oh, I kind of agree, but if consensual fights are the purpose of lowsec, why am I getting sec hits for starting them? Not really complaining, being -10 is worth it, but it makes no sense.
But the moon mining doesn't bother me at all, it just gives me a chance to steal a tower every month or two. Which is part of the spirit of lowsec, really.
That one is a tricky question tbh.
..then again, the lowsec lag is probably related to the constant sec updates and aggression calculations. It's hard to see what would replace it tho. The current scale gives a visibility and tool, and the below -5's have an actual advantage (!) to get people aggress them they normally wouldn't.
Overall I think the sec system is doing it's job alright, it just doesn't seem to work very well on a bigger scale. And perhaps the sec/aggro refreshes should be done less frequent (but that has its own implications and obvious abuse). And perhaps they shouldn't drop your sec at all if you get aggressed back, just give a normal 15min flag, and calculate the sec after the fight if the target didn't die?
Not easy solutions, but overall I just like lowsec better and better. Lowsec been less and less appealing to visit through the years, but imho, it's starting to change back to being good again.
Originally by: Ava Starfire
I think losec needs a player base not terrified of losing even one frigate. I sometimes wonder how many of us are playing Eve and how many are playing Killmails Online.
QFFT
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Beachura
Two Maidens One Chalice
Equillibrium.
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Posted - 2010.07.13 12:00:00 -
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You shouldn't be losing frigates in low sec, unless there is an arazu present, You are playing a game where you have a forcefield *shields*, armor and a structure level for a reason,
This is said time and time again, but people don't seem to see it
Once you leave a station, there is a risk to the ship your flying, in low security the risk is greater, Don't use it if you don't like it
What's the big problem? out here in stain you get nothing but bubbles and goddamn hotdrops, i miss low sec where you have half a chance of achieving warp
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Gladys Pank
Amarr
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.07.13 12:09:00 -
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Originally by: Beachura
You shouldn't be losing frigates in low sec, unless there is an arazu present, You are playing a game where you have a forcefield *shields*, armor and a structure level for a reason,
This is said time and time again, but people don't seem to see it
Once you leave a station, there is a risk to the ship your flying, in low security the risk is greater, Don't use it if you don't like it
What's the big problem? out here in stain you get nothing but bubbles and goddamn hotdrops, i miss low sec where you have half a chance of achieving warp
Congrats on missing the damn point that SOME PEOPLE LIKE TO PVP. WTB invulnerable frigates to take on every engagement provided there is no Arazu there
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Fumitsugu Sylwia
Guristech
One Stop Research
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Posted - 2010.07.13 12:17:00 -
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Originally by: Gladys Pank
Originally by: Beachura
You shouldn't be losing frigates in low sec, unless there is an arazu present, You are playing a game where you have a forcefield *shields*, armor and a structure level for a reason,
This is said time and time again, but people don't seem to see it
Once you leave a station, there is a risk to the ship your flying, in low security the risk is greater, Don't use it if you don't like it
What's the big problem? out here in stain you get nothing but bubbles and goddamn hotdrops, i miss low sec where you have half a chance of achieving warp
Congrats on missing the damn point that SOME PEOPLE LIKE TO PVP. WTB invulnerable frigates to take on every engagement provided there is no Arazu there
I lol'ed moderately
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Global Comms
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Posted - 2010.07.13 13:30:00 -
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Edited by: Global Comms on 13/07/2010 13:32:43
Originally by: Lana Torrin
Edited by: Lana Torrin on 13/07/2010 07:48:13
Lana has read Mynxees report, and well, I actually find it a bit encouraging.. Oh and its 18 months not 24..
So, why do I find it encouraging? Well, basically because CCP agreed with everything that was said, they just didn't have time to do anything about it right now. This give US (and the CSM) 18 months to mindcraft what we want lowsec to be. CCP is OPEN to the idea of changing lowsec, and they want us to do the work for them, AND I SAY WE SHOULD. Its our game, lets design it!
Edit: Yes I have taken my meds today.
Firstly - the time scale given is 18-24 months.
Quote:
...Even though no action may be taken for 18-24 months...
24 months is two years. Truth be told, with CCP track record (see the backlog of agreed items CCP havent implented in three years) your really looking at 2years+, 3 years, 4 years.
I look forward to the changes that will come. May i suggest UI tweaks for Old Age Pensioners, as we will all be ancient and senile by the time they do anything.
So yeah - I would call on the chairperson Mynxee to be resigning publicly, informing all the MMO blogs, and online journals CCP love to tap up (bbc online, new york journal online) the reason being CCPs lack of support for the CSM they set in - if she really cares about lowsec, piract, and the CSM - this is the best course of action
RESIGN!!!!!
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Velocity Prime
Misfit Toys
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Posted - 2010.07.13 14:06:00 -
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Originally by: Gladys Pank
Originally by: Velocity Prime
What's wrong with low sec?
I only see four kills in low sec for you and one of them was a cyno atron
Hey, that Cyno Atron was asking for it!
Yeah, while I'm not sure that those numbers are accurate (battleclinic ftw) I can most definitely assure you that this character, that was the CEO of the largest ninja salvaging corporation in EVE .... which takes place in highsec..... didn't go to lowsec much....
And just because you choose to live in the slums, doesn't mean the city should fix them up.
Troll has spoken. Discuss!
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HMSBlueprint
Two Maidens One Chalice
Equillibrium.
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Posted - 2010.07.13 14:11:00 -
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Edited by: HMSBlueprint on 13/07/2010 14:12:06
Originally by: Gladys Pank
Originally by: Beachura
You shouldn't be losing frigates in low sec, unless there is an arazu present, You are playing a game where you have a forcefield *shields*, armor and a structure level for a reason,
This is said time and time again, but people don't seem to see it
Once you leave a station, there is a risk to the ship your flying, in low security the risk is greater, Don't use it if you don't like it
What's the big problem? out here in stain you get nothing but bubbles and goddamn hotdrops, i miss low sec where you have half a chance of achieving warp
Congrats on missing the damn point that SOME PEOPLE LIKE TO PVP. WTB invulnerable frigates to take on every engagement provided there is no Arazu there
Yeah but you don't, your a trolling dirty little scammer, gtfo :)
(yeah i know, wrong char_
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Seith Silverstein
Something Rotten
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Posted - 2010.07.13 14:12:00 -
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Edited by: Seith Silverstein on 13/07/2010 14:11:43
Originally by: Jack Dant
Originally by: Dotard
Put a can out. Aggro the pirate. If it's really consensual it shouldn't matter. And once your sec is bad enough, you aggro anyway. =)
You misunderstand, I'm -10, people can engage me whenever they want.
By consensual, I mean both sides are looking for a fight, and both get it. Not some lame arranged fight where you drop cans or whatever. If you bring a PVP gang to lowsec to hunt pirates, and a pirate gang baits and engages you, that's consensual PVP in my book
HI JACK!
Pressing the "Undock" button is consensual PvP in my book 
Originally by: CCP Soundwave
I am literally the internet
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Owen Drakkar
Terra Nostra
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Posted - 2010.07.13 15:38:00 -
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pewpew
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Chesty McJubblies
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Posted - 2010.07.13 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: Global Comms
May i suggest UI tweaks for Old Age Pensioners, as we will all be ancient and senile by the time they do anything.
lol
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sir gankalot
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Posted - 2010.07.13 17:37:00 -
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I am assuming you will be leaving the game now?
I can has your stuffz?
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Nephilius
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2010.07.13 18:35:00 -
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Originally by: Seith Silverstein
HI JACK!
Pressing the "Undock" button is consensual PvP in my book
I'm not picking on you in particular, Seith...what you said is the perfect example of why lowsec is borked. It's that mentality that has really turned lowsec into a turd, you know what I am saying? There is no reason for bears or almost anyone else to come out to lowsec...if you want a 1v1 good fight, you'll probably get blobbed. If you get ransomed, you'll get sent home in a pod if you are lucky. Got a mission to do in lowsec? If you make it through the gate camp, you have a good chance of getting scanned down and pewpew'd.
I think that the intelligent among us knows that this isn't 100% true all the time, but what about the people who cruise these forums or have had a couple of bad experiences in lowsec? These accounts of yarr and those bad experiences combine to form an aversion to lowsec that is only rivaled by fear of the bogeyman and prison r*pe. The actions of a few will affect the many. Yeah, there are some respectable yarr corps out there that will respect 1v1s and ransoms etc. But they are overshadowed by the ones who don't.
CCP's responsibility load is 50%. The rest lies on the inhabitants to make a change. Police yourselves, those who hurt the rep of lowsec hurt your rep, and therefore must be dealt with. I know this is a really optimistic idea that is probably doomed before it ever cools down on these forums. But there really isn't a whole lot else to do here about the problem guys...
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Spliffsan
THE VALKYRIES
Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2010.07.13 20:40:00 -
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I'm not discouraged, I think low-sec could use some work don't get me wrong... but CCP is making some huge new stuff over that 2 year period. No one has ever tried to make a cross-platform/cross-genre game before (DUST 514)I think this is going to open up the depth of EVE in so many ways. Combined with Incarna this could really work out to be a cool setup!
I also really think they will get to low-sec in due time. They have said that they agree with everything CSM brought up. Maybe over the next few years the current and future CSM will be able to formulate an actionable plan. Possibly well rounded enough to make many people happy, can't ever please everybody.
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Spectre3353
Gallente
The Python Cartel.
The Jerk Cartel
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Posted - 2010.07.13 21:39:00 -
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I can't remember ever reading anything so discouraging and depressing about Eve since viewing these Friday morning meeting notes from the CSM5 minutes. Lowsec is not ok and there apparently is absolutely no desire or plans to ever fix it. Even worse is that lowsec isn't the only one... half of Eve's functionality is a partially-implemented, mostly-broken mess... if it weren't for the players taking the open-ended sandbox nature of things and making Eve what it is, the game would be a complete failure.
Instead of fixing and polishing what exists, we get horse**** PI, Incarna, Dust and who knows what else. I'm guessing that the next expansion functionality that has been alluded to is going to be a Sims like game where you can customize the couch and stereo system inside your ship all while keeping up with the needs of your crew. Ensign Ricky needs to go to the bathroom badly! Quick! Click the pee button!
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jimmyjam
Gallente
Sinner Among Saints
Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2010.07.13 21:55:00 -
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The only way to fix low sec is to turn back time to early 2005.Theres just way to many people playing these days that group up and blob everything.There used to be tons of targets in placid and the surrounding aeras.
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Gladys Pank
Amarr
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.07.13 22:07:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Velocity Prime
Originally by: Gladys Pank
Originally by: Velocity Prime
What's wrong with low sec?
I only see four kills in low sec for you and one of them was a cyno atron
Hey, that Cyno Atron was asking for it!
Yeah, while I'm not sure that those numbers are accurate (battleclinic ftw) I can most definitely assure you that this character, that was the CEO of the largest ninja salvaging corporation in EVE .... which takes place in highsec..... didn't go to lowsec much....
And just because you choose to live in the slums, doesn't mean the city should fix them up.
Troll has spoken. Discuss!
Eve-kill actually since that's where ninjas used to post their mails :D
No disrespect bro, you know I just love to stir up the forums ♥
POST WITH YOUR MAIN.
Originally by: HMSBlueprint
Edited by: HMSBlueprint on 13/07/2010 14:12:06
Originally by: Gladys Pank
Originally by: Beachura
You shouldn't be losing frigates in low sec, unless there is an arazu present, You are playing a game where you have a forcefield *shields*, armor and a structure level for a reason,
This is said time and time again, but people don't seem to see it
Once you leave a station, there is a risk to the ship your flying, in low security the risk is greater, Don't use it if you don't like it
What's the big problem? out here in stain you get nothing but bubbles and goddamn hotdrops, i miss low sec where you have half a chance of achieving warp
Congrats on missing the damn point that SOME PEOPLE LIKE TO PVP. WTB invulnerable frigates to take on every engagement provided there is no Arazu there
Yeah but you don't, your a trolling dirty little scammer, gtfo :)
(yeah i know, wrong char_
I'm confused, are you saying I don't pvp?
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Nexus Kinnon
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.07.13 22:10:00 -
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this thread is so bad i'm pretty sure the op must have written it while slitting a virgin's neck and reciting the lord's prayer backwards
Originally by: Queue K'Umber
It is unseemly when a player becomes a self-congratulatory poastaholic
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Global Comms
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Posted - 2010.07.13 22:14:00 -
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Originally by: Nexus Kinnon
this thread is so bad i'm pretty sure the op must have written it while slitting a virgin's neck and reciting the lord's prayer backwards
perhaps it was bad, but it has been redeemed by your awesome funny imagery ahhahha thats just such a cool thing for you to type ahhahh
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Spruillo
Gallente
Spruillo Corp
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Posted - 2010.07.13 22:28:00 -
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Originally by: Nexus Kinnon
this thread is so bad i'm pretty sure the op must have written it while slitting a virgin's neck and reciting the lord's prayer backwards
for real. ban any mention of losec in the forums. That will fix losec. I meen jeez you even mention anything losec then comes textwalls like damn 18 wheelers coming down the freeway at you ever1 cutting loose with the verbal diarrhea why don't yall go solve world hunger (im hungry) or the gulf oil crisis or go find ****ing waldo or something
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Fon Revedhort
Monks of War
DarkSide.
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Posted - 2010.07.13 23:30:00 -
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I've just read those meeting minutes and have to say I'm shoked and really ****ed off.
It doesn't take that long to figure our what is needed and fix it, at least in some points. Surely we don't expect to get stuff of Incarna's level, but you can always start with basics: boost mission LP payouts, boost belt rats and anomalies, boost ores. This alone will cause a great happiness among low-sec dwellers.
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Posted - 2010.07.14 01:41:00 -
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Originally by: Chesty McJubblies
Originally by: Global Comms
May i suggest UI tweaks for Old Age Pensioners, as we will all be ancient and senile by the time they do anything.
lol
Don't laugh - some of us old folks have been asking for years for changes - and we aren't getting any younger
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SunGod RA
Endless Destruction
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Posted - 2010.07.14 02:55:00 -
[43]
but but but you don't understand.
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Grace Wing
Gallente
Duane Barry Fan Club
HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.07.14 03:03:00 -
[44]
How to make low sec better in two easy steps
1) Have gate & station guns instapop everything with GCC. Make them do like 100k damage per hit, all damage types.
AND
2) Make all the nebulas pink.
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Joe Starbreaker
M. Corp
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Posted - 2010.07.14 06:01:00 -
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I was thinking that what they ought to do is move some of the pirate NPC stations (Sansha, Angel, etc) into lowsec. Then lots of people will move there for the mission ISK, and will become -10 flashy red in the process, thus preventing them from often leaving.
On top of this, remove all stations in "entry" systems to lowsec... so to get to a station you must be two jumps in. Also, the "entry" systems should be 0.4, so there won't be many POS. This means there'll be a lot more vulnerable traffic -- jump freighters won't be used so casually.
Then, remove Local chat from 0.0. So all the carebears will squeeze into lowsec where they can be "safe" or something.
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Tressin Khiyne
Minmatar
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2010.07.14 10:56:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Joe Starbreaker
I was thinking that what they ought to do is move some of the pirate NPC stations (Sansha, Angel, etc) into lowsec. Then lots of people will move there for the mission ISK, and will become -10 flashy red in the process, thus preventing them from often leaving.
On top of this, remove all stations in "entry" systems to lowsec... so to get to a station you must be two jumps in. Also, the "entry" systems should be 0.4, so there won't be many POS. This means there'll be a lot more vulnerable traffic -- jump freighters won't be used so casually.
Then, remove Local chat from 0.0. So all the carebears will squeeze into lowsec where they can be "safe" or something.
Too simple, too perfect, it will never work.
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Lauren Sheaperd
Minmatar
Blood Money Inc.
The Blood Money Cartel
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Posted - 2010.07.14 11:11:00 -
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Originally by: Grace Wing
How to make low sec better in two easy steps
1) Have gate & station guns instapop everything with GCC. Make them do like 100k damage per hit, all damage types.
No.
Quote:
2) Make all the nebulas pink.
Agreed.
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Guru
Woopatang
The Spire Collective
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Posted - 2010.07.14 15:48:00 -
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I've been waiting for low sec to get better since beta.. dont get your hopes unless you see more then promises, but actions.
"Mind Over Matter: If I don't mind, it don't matter."
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Ralnik
Mutineers
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Posted - 2010.07.14 15:57:00 -
[49]
Edited by: Ralnik on 14/07/2010 15:58:08
Originally by: Lana Torrin
Edited by: Lana Torrin on 13/07/2010 07:48:13
Lana has read Mynxees report, and well, I actually find it a bit encouraging.. Oh and its 18 months not 24..
So, why do I find it encouraging? Well, basically because CCP agreed with everything that was said, they just didn't have time to do anything about it right now. This give US (and the CSM) 18 months to mindcraft what we want lowsec to be. CCP is OPEN to the idea of changing lowsec, and they want us to do the work for them, AND I SAY WE SHOULD. Its our game, lets design it!
Edit: Yes I have taken my meds today.
What makes you think that they would actually put low sec on the front burner after this 18 months and not something else? Seems like they are saying that they are booked up for the next 18 months with Dust and other stuff but didn't commit to doing anything specifically to low sec after 18 months.
I will bet you 18 months rolls around and they will be behind on what ever they are working on and still have something else planned that isn't anything to do with low sec.
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Ralnik
Mutineers
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Posted - 2010.07.14 16:19:00 -
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Originally by: Nephilius
Originally by: Seith Silverstein
HI JACK!
Pressing the "Undock" button is consensual PvP in my book
I'm not picking on you in particular, Seith...what you said is the perfect example of why lowsec is borked. It's that mentality that has really turned lowsec into a turd, you know what I am saying? There is no reason for bears or almost anyone else to come out to lowsec...if you want a 1v1 good fight, you'll probably get blobbed. If you get ransomed, you'll get sent home in a pod if you are lucky. Got a mission to do in lowsec? If you make it through the gate camp, you have a good chance of getting scanned down and pewpew'd.
I think that the intelligent among us knows that this isn't 100% true all the time, but what about the people who cruise these forums or have had a couple of bad experiences in lowsec? These accounts of yarr and those bad experiences combine to form an aversion to lowsec that is only rivaled by fear of the bogeyman and prison r*pe. The actions of a few will affect the many. Yeah, there are some respectable yarr corps out there that will respect 1v1s and ransoms etc. But they are overshadowed by the ones who don't.
CCP's responsibility load is 50%. The rest lies on the inhabitants to make a change. Police yourselves, those who hurt the rep of lowsec hurt your rep, and therefore must be dealt with. I know this is a really optimistic idea that is probably doomed before it ever cools down on these forums. But there really isn't a whole lot else to do here about the problem guys...
On the other hand I've come across many Bears that after losing their ship or being ransomed found it exciting and opened up their eyes to the world of PVP. I've often sat in private chat with targets I've killed for 20-30 mins giving them tips and suggestions.
You would be surprised how many people whom are targets of "actual" pirates, don't get all EMO but rather ask for suggestions and tips. Not all pirates sit on gates and insta pop what ever jumps in and not all pirates are griefers that get off on their victims tears.
Eve is full of people that get off on kicking other people sand castles over but not all of them live in low sec. Nor should everyone whom pirates or PVP's in low sec, be looked at as griefers.
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Sutskop
Minmatar
PILSGESCHWADER
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Posted - 2010.07.14 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: Lana Torrin
The vast majority of it (which I shall call black rise and placid) is an empty wasteland filled with nothing. The odd pocket is filled with multiple PvP groups (most of which blob and have NAPs with each other) and can be quite fun.
I don't know about placid, but black rise is a silly blobfest thanks to FW I guess, and the vicinity of jita. there are much better places in lowsec to be, with good smallscale pvp and good pve too (if you know how to probe).
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