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Digital Dexter
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Posted - 2010.07.13 20:16:00 -
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Edited by: Digital Dexter on 13/07/2010 20:20:02 I need some suggestions on how to best kill a PvE Raven while it's in a mission, with 2-3 smaller, low-SP ships. So far, the best I can come up with is wait until he has full aggro from all the rats, then go in and drain his cap until the rats break his tank. Assuming only I have rights to attack him, I can have 1 or 2 log cruisers repairing me.
Any ideas?
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randomname4me
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Posted - 2010.07.13 20:19:00 -
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Quote: Best way to kill a PvE Raven?
I tend to use ships with DPS output that exceeds the ravens tank ability.
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Rachel McTingle
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Posted - 2010.07.13 20:22:00 -
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Originally by: randomname4me
Quote: Best way to kill a PvE Raven?
I tend to use ships with DPS output that exceeds the ravens tank ability.
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SammyullJackson
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Posted - 2010.07.13 20:23:00 -
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Edited by: SammyullJackson on 13/07/2010 20:24:17 Edited by: SammyullJackson on 13/07/2010 20:23:22
Originally by: Digital Dexter Edited by: Digital Dexter on 13/07/2010 20:20:02 I need some suggestions on how to best kill a PvE Raven while it's in a mission, with 2-3 smaller, low-SP ships. So far, the best I can come up with is wait until he has full aggro from all the rats, then go in and drain his cap until the rats break his tank. Assuming only I have rights to attack him, I can have 1 or 2 log cruisers repairing me.
Any ideas?
Assuming you have kill rights: Neut and/or nos his cap, Ravens active tank.
The rat thing is fine and all, but remember that they will aggro you as soon as you kill him, and if it's an L4 (the only mission type where the whole 'let the rats bite him for you' thing works, due to BSs), it might have warp scramming enemies to keep you or one of your buddies from running.
You're better off just having your own DPS to crack his shields once you remove his ability to boost. Even without the boosting, a Raven'll have a substantive shielding reservoir, more than most non-DPS ships can easily break through.
EDIT: Yeah, the whole logistics cruiser thing is dumb, and a waste of your friends' ISK. He'll just target them, and between drones and cruise missiles, they'll be dead, and you won't have anything to save yourself.
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Digital Dexter
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Posted - 2010.07.13 20:23:00 -
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I think in a cruiser, I could avoid most of the damage from his cruise missiles, but what would it take to be able to tank his drones? Would log cruisers be enough?
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Erin Kinkade
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Posted - 2010.07.13 20:30:00 -
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Shoot it until it explodes.
Honestly, you're not likely to get aggro for more than one person. Typically what happens is that one person steals the loot and that person will shot at the thief in anger. only the person getting shot at will have aggression rights.
So with one cruiser, you could try experimenting with a blackbird with neuts in the high. You'll need a cap booster and a point obviously. Fortunately you know what you are jamming so throw on a couple caldari specific jammers. I've never done this but this could theoretically work. Most PvE ravens are boosting setups so you just neut his cap and watch the rats kill him. The jammers keep him from blowing you up... might work.
If you're in low sec than I go to my original advice... shoot it until it explodes. If you want to get fancy, a neut-vexor, full jam blackbird and a thorax/rupture for DPS should do just fine.
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Owen Drakkar
Terra Nostra
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Posted - 2010.07.13 20:30:00 -
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Erin Kinkade
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Posted - 2010.07.13 20:36:00 -
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Edited by: Erin Kinkade on 13/07/2010 20:36:31
Originally by: Digital Dexter I think in a cruiser, I could avoid most of the damage from his cruise missiles, but what would it take to be able to tank his drones? Would log cruisers be enough?
if he has guided missile precision trained to anything your cruiser is going to have a hard time tanking it. If he's good, he's got t2 launchers with precision missiles in his cargo. This is why I suggest e-war. However, if he's smart (which many missioners are not, especially the ones that aggress) he's got FoF missiles in his cargohold. I typically carry these kind of missiles when I fly missile boats, however I fly pvp stuff. This guy probably just has t1 missiles of the damage type matching the rats he's fighting.
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Digital Dexter
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Posted - 2010.07.13 20:36:00 -
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Originally by: SammyullJackson Edited by: SammyullJackson on 13/07/2010 20:24:17 Edited by: SammyullJackson on 13/07/2010 20:23:22
Originally by: Digital Dexter Edited by: Digital Dexter on 13/07/2010 20:20:02 I need some suggestions on how to best kill a PvE Raven while it's in a mission, with 2-3 smaller, low-SP ships. So far, the best I can come up with is wait until he has full aggro from all the rats, then go in and drain his cap until the rats break his tank. Assuming only I have rights to attack him, I can have 1 or 2 log cruisers repairing me.
Any ideas?
Assuming you have kill rights: Neut and/or nos his cap, Ravens active tank.
The rat thing is fine and all, but remember that they will aggro you as soon as you kill him, and if it's an L4 (the only mission type where the whole 'let the rats bite him for you' thing works, due to BSs), it might have warp scramming enemies to keep you or one of your buddies from running.
You're better off just having your own DPS to crack his shields once you remove his ability to boost. Even without the boosting, a Raven'll have a substantive shielding reservoir, more than most non-DPS ships can easily break through.
EDIT: Yeah, the whole logistics cruiser thing is dumb, and a waste of your friends' ISK. He'll just target them, and between drones and cruise missiles, they'll be dead, and you won't have anything to save yourself.
Good point on logistics.
What kind of ship would be able to solo tank his drones indefinitely, while using Neut/Nos? Cruiser/Heavy Assault/BC?
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Taedrin
Gallente Xovoni Directorate
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Posted - 2010.07.13 20:41:00 -
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Depends on the fit.
Pin it down: For some carebears, all you need to do is tackle them to kill them. This works on ships that depend on kiting rats to survive.
Sap them of their will to live: The strategy you describe also works very well. Almost all mission ships utilize active hardeners and/or reps. Take away their cap and their tank will collapse quickly.
IF ALL ELSE FAILS USE FIRE: Sometimes the best strategy is a simple strategy. Throw on a point, a tank and some DPS. Remember that the carebear has to tank both rats AND you, and even the hardest tank will collapse under this combined assault.
They don't like raspberry: Experienced carebears will frequently fit their mission boats for DPS, not for tank. The reasoning is that extra DPS kills rats faster, but extra tank doesn't. Thus you only need the bare minimum amount of tank needed to complete the mission. The rest of your spare slots can be dedicated towards increasing your DPS. This ships tank by killing rats before they can do a lot of damage. All you need to do to stop these ships is prevent them from shooting the rats. ECM works wonders here. ----------
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Digital Dexter
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Posted - 2010.07.13 20:44:00 -
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Originally by: Erin Kinkade Shoot it until it explodes.
Honestly, you're not likely to get aggro for more than one person. Typically what happens is that one person steals the loot and that person will shot at the thief in anger. only the person getting shot at will have aggression rights.
So with one cruiser, you could try experimenting with a blackbird with neuts in the high. You'll need a cap booster and a point obviously. Fortunately you know what you are jamming so throw on a couple caldari specific jammers. I've never done this but this could theoretically work. Most PvE ravens are boosting setups so you just neut his cap and watch the rats kill him. The jammers keep him from blowing you up... might work.
If you're in low sec than I go to my original advice... shoot it until it explodes. If you want to get fancy, a neut-vexor, full jam blackbird and a thorax/rupture for DPS should do just fine.
oo, i like your idea. jam/neut while tanking his drones. also, if I jam him, he won't be able to touch my logistics ship. perfect.
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Erin Kinkade
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Posted - 2010.07.13 20:46:00 -
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Originally by: Digital Dexter
oo, i like your idea. jam/neut while tanking his drones. also, if I jam him, he won't be able to touch my logistics ship. perfect.
The drones are the one hole, wish the blackbird had a dronebay. If so I'd just suggest blowing up his drones.
Yeah I think the logistics ship would work then. ECM=win.
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Joe Starbreaker
M. Corp
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Posted - 2010.07.13 20:56:00 -
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You need lots of DPS, decent mobility with an afterburner, and some neutralizers would be nice. Any battlecruiser should be fine in this role.
Mission ships are designed to sustain moderate damage over a long period of time, not to sustain high damage during a very short amount of time. High DPS is therefore recommended over having a lot of tank. Remember: he won't have a warp scrambler, so you can try something and if your tank isn't enough, you can simply leave.
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Barakkus
Caelestis Iudicium
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Posted - 2010.07.13 21:13:00 -
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Most of the time missioners fit rat specific hardeners, so if you can scan him before hand with an alt (passive targeter) and get an idea how his tank is set up it'll make it easier for you, just use what he didn't tank for.
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Cartheron Crust
Krazny Oktyabr Revolyutsiya Yezhovshchina
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Posted - 2010.07.13 21:33:00 -
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Just look at what rats they are shooting. They will be tanked against them. For example if its a Raven shooting Serpentis or Guristas load up on EM damage. Even if they are omni tanking it will still be the weakest resist. You will probably melt him in an armor tanked cane with two medium neuts. If you have some shield logistics backup just do it in a shield gank one the raven will die even quicker and you can point them quicker aswell. |
Slimy Worm
Sons of Viagra
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Posted - 2010.07.14 04:24:00 -
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Use a neut ship that can do many damage types. Torpedo Typhoons with 2 heavy neuts and a medium are pretty good since Ravens and most other mission ships use active hardeners, active tanks, and passive capacitors. Make sure to not weigh it down with trimarks; you'll often have to travel between gates or will warp in outside of overloaded scram range. Fit a hardener specific to the damage type the missionbear is doing.
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Jesslyn Daggererux
Non-Aligned Movement Biologic License Application
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Posted - 2010.07.14 04:34:00 -
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nice job guys. hey how about this. use pretty much any teir 2 BC? if you insist on a cruiser a rupture or vexor works well. i wouldnt rely on rat dps to kill him for you. thats a bad idea. baaaaad. he may be overtanked. he may be able to kill rats fast enough to stop incomming dps. he might kill you. baaaaaaad. im sure you can follow what bad means. i mean you do manage to use a computer a little bit at least. even arbi, moa, omen, thorax, and sometimes even a stabber are a better idea than a blackbird with neuts and a prayer that he doesnt kill too many rats.
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Dograzor
The Black Rabbits Academy The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2010.07.14 10:09:00 -
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Best way is to get a jammer on him. If he's jammed, you can kill him with a group of t2 fitted frigs. Nuets might help, but if you use small ships (cruiser size) its gonna take a while before his cap is empty.
I personally would take a BC or 2 with a ECM boat & that would do the trick. -
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ZenSun
Total Mayhem. Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2010.07.14 11:12:00 -
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Find out which rats the raven is killing in his mission, then bring ammo that he has light resists on and tank up on the resists that the raven is using as ammo. That would be my only logical guess as most raven pilots usually attach one of each hardener and an invul.
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.07.14 12:04:00 -
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Edited by: Rawr Cristina on 14/07/2010 12:05:24 1x blackbird with full caldari ECM 1x plated, neuting vexor/arby with sensor damps(scan res)
hope not to miss a jam
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ISK1machine
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Posted - 2010.07.14 12:42:00 -
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Edited by: ISK1machine on 14/07/2010 12:42:30 I believe there are numerous Raven-Golem kills from "solo" ruptures out there.What the KM doesnt show is the guardian feeding armor and cap to the cruiser.Some buffer and resistances on the rupture and ofc at least 1 med neutraliser to drain the BS. Others use even arbitrators with this set up.
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Erin Kinkade
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Posted - 2010.07.14 15:09:00 -
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Originally by: Jesslyn Daggererux nice job guys. hey how about this. use pretty much any teir 2 BC? if you insist on a cruiser a rupture or vexor works well. i wouldnt rely on rat dps to kill him for you. thats a bad idea. baaaaad. he may be overtanked. he may be able to kill rats fast enough to stop incomming dps. he might kill you. baaaaaaad. im sure you can follow what bad means. i mean you do manage to use a computer a little bit at least. even arbi, moa, omen, thorax, and sometimes even a stabber are a better idea than a blackbird with neuts and a prayer that he doesnt kill too many rats.
In that case why not just use a battleship or a strategic cruiser? The original post was a bit open, but it implied using things like cruisers.
Oh and last time I checked, it's hard to kill rats when you can't target them. Personally I think a neuting blackbird has a lot better chance than a solo DPS cruiser.
If it were me I'd just assume melt them with a torp-raven or a neut-domi.
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Zeta Zhul
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.07.14 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: Digital Dexter I think in a cruiser, I could avoid most of the damage from his cruise missiles, but what would it take to be able to tank his drones? Would log cruisers be enough?
*LAUGH*
Yeah a 3x Rigor Raven with a target painter is going to have a tough time killing your cruiser.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.07.14 15:39:00 -
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Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 14/07/2010 15:44:09 Except for the reply suggesting about fitting the damage the missioneer is not tanked for, the other suggestions seem quite not backed up by experience.
If I am in my range ship, you won't break my tank even with total neuting for whatever amount of time nor the rats will do. You'd have to web the ship down so that the rats get in range, but then T2 drones can dispatch them quite easily.
If I am in my close range ship, it got a sizable stash of charges and it can kill a NPC battleship in few seconds (and a cruiser in 1 volley) so I suppose a player flown cruiser is not going to survive forever, even with some RR. Being for close range, the ship can tank 6 NPC battleships (while still being glass cannon and therefore rips people a new one) and some BCs.
Edit: another warning: an 1 year old PvE pilot can often fit an effective omnitank, it's useful to save time when blitzing missions to maximize ISK x hour. In that case the advice about the damage to choose can lose some of its effectiveness.
Basically don't understimate who you are trying to kill, they might prove to be somewhat nastier than it seems. Expecially if the guy you got kill rights against, has them because he popped your hulk. In that case expect that guy to also have a Vaga and Falcon alt somewhere close. - Auditing & consulting
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Ehranavaar
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Posted - 2010.07.14 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: Digital Dexter I think in a cruiser, I could avoid most of the damage from his cruise missiles, but what would it take to be able to tank his drones? Would log cruisers be enough?
that's an awfully big assumption. if you try it on me for instance you're cruiser is only going to last 3 4 volleys at the outside. if you skill properly cruise missiles kill frigates fairly well.
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Verone
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2010.07.14 15:49:00 -
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KILL IT WITH FIRE
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Time2Whine
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Posted - 2010.07.14 18:30:00 -
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A couple buffer tanked Drakes with afterburner, neut, and carebear-specific tank/dmg. Orbit just inside neut range to get max DPS reduction from speedtank and alternate warp-outs to switch up the tanker if necessary. Pull any unaggroed groups before a warp-out.
There's a decent chance you can do it with one and no warp-outs if the mission DPS is decent, but it'd awfully embarrassing to fail.
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Millie Clode
Amarr Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.07.14 18:48:00 -
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Check which rats he's fighting, load ammo that deals the DPS he wont have tanked against. If he's omnitanking he's a moron and dies easily anyway
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Jack Norris
Caldari Flux Technologies Inc SRS.
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Posted - 2010.07.15 01:28:00 -
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Neut vexor
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Lavraen
Minmatar Unknown-Entity Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.15 12:18:00 -
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"2-3 smaller, low-SP ships"
Maybe try a Blackbird, Celestis and Rupture gang?
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