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Witcher Amarr Russian Specialists Group	Posted - 2010.07.13 22:24:00 - [1] OMG People what is this continuous bull** about CCP not doing enough to polish features, divert resources to DUST etc. Stop that , everyone,like right now. Certainly there ways to make things better , but you cant have all of it. Stop that nonsensicall and idiotic trolling. The best thing you could do is to show some SUPPORT and BRAINS. I think CCP has a long-term view and long-term strategy how to expand the game - which is great, because that guarantees fun for us for many years to come. Latest expansion conceptually is very good, the work put together might not be very evident. But it lays a solid foundation for future expansion of game. Evegate is an essential tool in order to make eve community more interconnected and facilitate information exchange. My understanding is that list of features is far from completion. CCP would need to put together people from DUST and EVE universe, as well as allow a multitude of features for eve players, such a dedicated corporation shops for instance. PI is a great addon to pave way for succesfull DUST integration into the game. All of those things have to be done one at a time, so not to disturb careful balance of game and at the same time keep a tight eye as to how develop game further. Certainly DUST is a risky venture, but so is ANY other venture out there. And its great that CCP has such an ambitious and long-term plans for eve universe. 5 years down the road I would like to see much more populated and expanded realm vis-a-vis what I see now (and yes I do plan to play the game for many years to come, it became an exciting hobby of mine). And I would praise CCP for that. I would only applaud to CCP for undertaking this kind of ambitious venture. I think strategically and from business point of view CCP understand that they have a very stable and growing base of players. Hence a very stable cashflow. Hence you can obtain high degree of leverage from banks if you can demonstrate stable cashflow. If I was CCP I would do exactly the same thing. Leverage on my existing business and invest aggressively into new businesses and ventures in order to expand current enterprise. The nature of business is such that you have to grow constantly so not to be eaten by competitors. The moment you stop - you are dead. CCP is doing exactly the right things. Certainly there are areas of improvements, but you cant have everything on the table at the same time. SO stop those "eve is dying threads" AND SHOW YOUR SUPPORT TO CCP** and say thank you for their hard work by SUPPORTING THIS THREAD !
Witcher Russian Specialists Group	Posted - 2010.07.13 22:30:00 - [2] +1
Namira Sable Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2010.07.13 22:36:00 - [3] I support this CPP as an alternative to CCP's neglectful tendencies.
ThisIsNotMyAlt	Posted - 2010.07.13 22:36:00 - [4]
Witcher Amarr Russian Specialists Group	Posted - 2010.07.13 22:37:00 - [5] please if you support it - post thumbs up
Herschel Yamamoto Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2010.07.14 00:09:00 - [6] Originally by: Witcher please if you support it - post thumbs up But we don't support it, that's the thing. CCP has stated outright that they're not going to put any serious effort into fixing the thousands of things that are wrong with Eve for at least 18 months. Given their track record, I'd wager good money that they'll say exactly the same thing in 18 months when we ask for them to finally start caring for their flagship product. Yes, I have a lot of respect for CCP and its staff in a lot of ways, but sticking your fingers in your ears and loudly proclaiming that everything is perfect is ridiculous.
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux War.Pigs.	Posted - 2010.07.14 00:32:00 - [7] Quote: CCP is doing exactly the right things. Certainly there are areas of improvements, but you cant have everything on the table at the same time. I don't want everything on the table at the same time. What I want is some basic commitments from CCP to fix obviously broken content that can trivially be fixed. It doesn't take 18 months to fix this stuff - most of it can be done as trivially as: update solar_systems set sec_status = 0.1 where sec_status between 0.051 and 0.44; Awesome, a huge lowsec boost which normalizes rewards with risks! -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire
Galdornae Caldari Locus Industries	Posted - 2010.07.14 00:38:00 - [8] When CCP takes 20 seconds to fix rockets, I will support this.
Glafri	Posted - 2010.07.14 00:49:00 - [9] I for one welcome our new CPP overlords. CPP > CCP c/d
Diakara Righteous Chaps	Posted - 2010.07.14 01:11:00 - [10] Nope. There's a myriad of bugs and half finished features in the game as it is. Next expansion will just ignore those and add another half finished feature that will never fully mature. I mean, Faction Warfare? Dominion's sov system? Fifth T3 susbsystem? And POSes? I'd rather spend the next 18 months getting everything already in the game to work as it should, new shinies be damned. Also, we need a "not supported" tickbox.
Bartholomeus Crane Gallente The Crane Family	Posted - 2010.07.14 01:13:00 - [11] This must be the worse troll in quite a while! -- Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Jonathan Mcarthur Caldari Ethipi	Posted - 2010.07.14 01:16:00 - [12] I guess now we know who's the a CCP sleeper agent?
Crazy KSK	Posted - 2010.07.14 01:33:00 - [13] If ccp keeps their course I think there will be dark days coming not just for ccp.
Yuki Kulotsuki	Posted - 2010.07.14 01:42:00 - [14] Originally by: Glafri I for one welcome our new CPP overlords. CPP > CCP c/d CXX > CPP Originally by: CCP Lemur THIS IS GOD: ... IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE REQUESTS I'M AVAILABLE SUNDAY FROM 10:30 TO 12:00 TO RECEIVE YOUR PRAYERS.
Jack Coutu Gallente Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams Negative Ten.	Posted - 2010.07.14 04:02:00 - [15] No way. I would guess that your mom and dad are paying for this account? Or perhaps you are just really ****** in the head. If this was a project that CCP had developed for FREE and said "we need your help and guidance" MAYBE I'd support this topic. As it stands, you don't need support and pats on that back when you are getting paid to do your job. CCP needs to wake up. The game is falling further and further into low quality coding and ideas. Simple fixes are ignored in place of "SHINY NEW USELESS PRIMAES AVAILABLE!" and "CLICK FEST WORLDS NOW OPEN FOR BORING COLONIES!" Don't make these kinda posts anymore.
Cyberman Mastermind	Posted - 2010.07.14 10:05:00 - [16] Originally by: Witcher AND SHOW YOUR SUPPORT TO CCP and say thank you for their hard work by SUPPORTING THIS THREAD ! I don't think either LOL or ROFL would suffice to describe what I'm thinking. I think my brain imploded. We should support CCP you say - like, for example CONTINUALLY GIVING THEM MONEY? Like in paying our accounts?...
Witcher Amarr Russian Specialists Group	Posted - 2010.07.14 10:23:00 - [17] Originally by: Jack Coutu No way. I would guess that your mom and dad are paying for this account? Is that an informed well thought out guess or is that wild uneducated idiotic guess ? - I guess the latter because you are nowhere near the reality with your guess. Is it just me or these forums are filled with nonsensical trolls who can't acknowledge some simple logical facts and prefer to throw around insults just because. You know what you remind me off people ? - You ever seen monkeys in the zoo? - sometimes they would just start throwing excrements into each other for no reason. That very closely resembles the majority of people on these forums. Take for example this guy quoted on top. Why all of a sudden he decided to make it personal and throw a piece of excrements my way ? He probably does not really understand that himself. The problem here is that if you behave like monkeys then you will be treated as such. What makes you think that CCP or even anyone for that matter will listen to you, if all that you do if just throw excrements around without any decent reasoning? If anything , go ahead and present some decent reasoning WELL ARGUED statement. Clearly layout what you are unhappy with. Then think does CCP have the capability to implement your idea. If you would have watched fan fest videos then you'd see that CCP is quite transparent in many regards. With respect to workflows and how system works within the company. For one they say that game designers present A LOT of fantastical ideas, but there are no feasible programming tools to implement those ideas in some reasonable timeframe. POS DEADHORSE for example. What makes you think that CCP did not consider that. I'm not saying that it actually happened, but there is no tangible evidence one way or the other. So as tons of other ideas and fixes. EVE Online is a project, every expansion is a project. Those of you who worked in project oriented environment would know that most important skill is ability to PRIORITIZE, and SELECT those tasks which are more important for business than other. Yes there are some areas which require attention. Then GO AHEAD and explain why (with CLEAR AND CONSISTENT argument) for instance POS system overhaul is more important than long term strategic goals such as DUST for example. Otherwise if you continue to behave like monkeys and throw excrements around you will hardly achieve anything. And no, I don't work for CPP just a very long standing player.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.07.14 10:23:00 - [18] Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto But we don't support it, that's the thing. CCP has stated outright that they're not going to put any serious effort into fixing the thousands of things that are wrong with Eve for at least 18 months. Given their track record, I'd wager good money that they'll say exactly the same thing in 18 months when we ask for them to finally start caring for their flagship product. Yes, I have a lot of respect for CCP and its staff in a lot of ways, but sticking your fingers in your ears and loudly proclaiming that everything is perfect is ridiculous. This. Too bad we don't have a thumbs down option in this forum. _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Aineko Macx	Posted - 2010.07.14 11:18:00 - [19] I already gave CCP my money. Why should I "show my support" if they're not doing what is in my interest?
Mangala Solaris Caldari Blue Republic	Posted - 2010.07.14 12:03:00 - [20] Crowd Pacification Productions? Theyve moved on from control have they? ;) On a serious note, I personally have faith in CCP to do the right thing (yes Im misguided), but just want them to focus on all the broken and buggy things & half finished features they have given us over the past few years rather than focus on more new things that will be broken, buggy and generally unsupported going forward. -------
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2010.07.14 12:16:00 - [21] Quote: Latest expansion conceptually is very good, the work put together might not be very evident. But it lays a solid foundation for future expansion of game True. The concept of the last 5 expansions or so was very good. But the implementation was horrible. Most of the features were scrapped before launch and the remaining ones were filled with bugs. And instead of fixing that and using the foundation they had, they just decided to make the next expansion that is conceptually very good but in practise horrible. One that is a foundation for new iterations but ignored again, just like the previous expansion.
Rawls Canardly	Posted - 2010.07.14 12:16:00 - [22] I'll show my support for CCP when they show their support for me.
Jack Coutu Gallente Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams Negative Ten.	Posted - 2010.07.14 18:30:00 - [23] Originally by: Witcher Originally by: Jack Coutu No way. I would guess that your mom and dad are paying for this account? Is that an informed well thought out guess or is that wild uneducated idiotic guess ? - I guess the latter because you are nowhere near the reality with your guess. Is it just me or these forums are filled with nonsensical trolls who can't acknowledge some simple logical facts and prefer to throw around insults just because. You know what you remind me off people ? - You ever seen monkeys in the zoo? - sometimes they would just start throwing excrements into each other for no reason. That very closely resembles the majority of people on these forums. Take for example this guy quoted on top. Why all of a sudden he decided to make it personal and throw a piece of excrements my way ? He probably does not really understand that himself. The problem here is that if you behave like monkeys then you will be treated as such. What makes you think that CCP or even anyone for that matter will listen to you, if all that you do if just throw excrements around without any decent reasoning? If anything , go ahead and present some decent reasoning WELL ARGUED statement. Clearly layout what you are unhappy with. Then think does CCP have the capability to implement your idea. If you would have watched fan fest videos then you'd see that CCP is quite transparent in many regards. With respect to workflows and how system works within the company. For one they say that game designers present A LOT of fantastical ideas, but there are no feasible programming tools to implement those ideas in some reasonable timeframe. POS DEADHORSE for example. What makes you think that CCP did not consider that. I'm not saying that it actually happened, but there is no tangible evidence one way or the other. So as tons of other ideas and fixes. EVE Online is a project, every expansion is a project. Those of you who worked in project oriented environment would know that most important skill is ability to PRIORITIZE, and SELECT those tasks which are more important for business than other. Yes there are some areas which require attention. Then GO AHEAD and explain why (with CLEAR AND CONSISTENT argument) for instance POS system overhaul is more important than long term strategic goals such as DUST for example. Otherwise if you continue to behave like monkeys and throw excrements around you will hardly achieve anything. And no, I don't work for CPP just a very long standing player. I think the only one trolling here is you. Why would we as I stated in other places, need to support people who are already being supported by our subs. What purpose does the OP serve? Are you trying to form a coalition of CCP fans? Or are you filling the forums with a thread that says "STOP WHAT YOU ARE DOING TO CCP!"? I believe it is the latter in many forms and it serves no point. There are always going to be trolls, though your way of describing them is pretty idiotic. You also seem to have no grip on the way the changes in the game come. It is not a game designer who has thought of most ideas for EVE, it is the playerbase, and all the fixes the playerbase has been screaming to get for years now, have been in a large part ignored. Simple fixes are being passed over to work on avatar's for a game that in 18 to 24 months will be MORE broken than it is now. Why bother playing it just for an avatar at that point? CCP has tons of "support" but they have abused the customer base badly with no communication that matters, no deadlines that are being met on a consistent basis, half finished projects, terrible coding, numerous bugs, a lack of "excellence" in all arenas and overall, the snobbish attitude of a company that has lost it's focus and center. You sir are just too happy to be playing a space game to notice these things. Wake up.
Im Blue	Posted - 2010.07.14 18:57:00 - [24] ill support ccp when the fix eve, so many old bugs where the hell is the thumbs down option??
Auri Hella Downwind Trading Guild	Posted - 2010.07.14 18:59:00 - [25] Bawww.
Drake Draconis Minmatar Shadow Cadre Xenogenesis Alliance	Posted - 2010.07.14 20:33:00 - [26] No... I'm not going to give my support. All I saw in those minute was pure unadulterated arrogance and ignorance of the problems in EVE Online. I get they want to do grand things... I get they have great plans for future expansions... hell I'm all for it. But ever since Apocrypha I've had nothing but trouble as a stubborn Mac Gamer. I've seen in-game issues that are very troublesome and completely ignored. I've seen countless issues raised and ignored. I see CCP ***** footing every time the CSM brings up a valid point that's clearly a problem and CCP just passes it off. I continue to play this game in hopes of them getting off there ass and focusing on quality and not quantity... but even I have my limits. You want my support and thanks? Fix the ####ing game. Put some damn effort into showing you give a crap and your listening at least. Want proof? Go check the Mac Boards some time.... this goes far further than in-game mechanics being screwy.... there's much more to this elephant in the room. That's my 2 cents... don't like it? Don't care... ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com =========================
Jovan Geldon	Posted - 2010.07.14 21:19:00 - [27] Edited by: Jovan Geldon on 14/07/2010 21:25:10 Originally by: Witcher Is it just me or these forums are filled with nonsensical trolls who can't acknowledge some simple logical facts and prefer to throw around insults just because. Your post in and of itself would seem to indicate the latter. I will support CCP when they support me, namely by learning how to prioritize and fix what their paying customers actually care about, instead of adding more half-broken and useless features. Also, excrement. Just because.
Drake Draconis Minmatar Shadow Cadre Xenogenesis Alliance	Posted - 2010.07.14 21:29:00 - [28] Originally by: Jovan Geldon Edited by: Jovan Geldon on 14/07/2010 21:25:10 Originally by: Witcher Is it just me or these forums are filled with nonsensical trolls who can't acknowledge some simple logical facts and prefer to throw around insults just because. Your post in and of itself would seem to indicate the latter. I will support CCP when they support me, namely by learning how to prioritize and fix what their paying customers actually care about, instead of adding more half-broken and useless features. Also, excrement. Just because. Emphasis on PAYING CUSTOMERS ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com =========================
Malcanis Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.07.14 21:43:00 - [29] Let me get this straight: you want me to support the CCP that does have the time and resources to introduce a completely useless (albeit pretty) hauler, but doesn't have the time and resources to fix rockets? Or Assault Frigates? Or Scan Probes on overview? Or any of dozens of other trivial fixes that have been awaited by the playerbase for years? Support the CCP that put 20 people on to the Evegate team to produce a social networking app used by about 12 players and that was requested by nobody, but that only had ONE GUY on the UI team until recently, when we've been begging for a UI overhaul (or at least fixes for some of the more glaringly awful issues) since... well, since EVE launched? Yeah. No. I'll support the CCP that says: Hey, wait, maybe we've been doing things the wrong way around here. Maybe we should pay some attention to our customers' priorities, and not just squeeze out yet another half-finished, untested, unwanted, poorly balanced "new shiny" to lie stinking up the game with more useless features that would be great if they actually worked. Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.
Kurroes	Posted - 2010.07.15 07:25:00 - [30] 1 Fix all the clicking. There is way to much bull** clicking in this game. When I am crushing ore it shouldnt ask me what installation I want to use seeing as its the only one capable of doing it. PI really create link create route route product nice waste of my time there. 2 cloaked system campers index falls everyday on its own I dont need help from some ass clown with nothing better to do than sit cloaked in system all day. 3. invention waht a load of crap 30 days to copy obolisk BPO 6 days to invent and it hasnt worked the last 4 times off 2 BPOs 8 copies down the crapper. 4. Hulkagedden holy ** a sponsered event to kill ships in high sec. AND they all get paid to do it from insurince. 4 Why can we pull ore from the corp hanger for compression but not the ORE HOLD. 5. It carriers fighters and bombers both are manned craft now but it cant carry a frigate with someone in it. 6. New space there needs to be a resone for some of these huge allainces to leave some of the 0.0 space so the littler corps can move down the there . give us a brake our little 10 man corp has to pay a rediculous rent to stay in a system that we dont have full rights in. IE moon mins plexs Shuffle the moon minerals around a little or add them to WH space so smaller corps can have there own little part to call home.

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