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Witcher
Amarr
Russian Specialists Group
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Posted - 2010.07.13 22:24:00 -
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OMG People what is this continuous bull**** about CCP not doing enough to polish features, divert resources to DUST etc. Stop that , everyone,like right now.
Certainly there ways to make things better , but you cant have all of it. Stop that nonsensicall and idiotic trolling. The best thing you could do is to show some SUPPORT and BRAINS.
I think CCP has a long-term view and long-term strategy how to expand the game - which is great, because that guarantees fun for us for many years to come.
Latest expansion conceptually is very good, the work put together might not be very evident. But it lays a solid foundation for future expansion of game. Evegate is an essential tool in order to make eve community more interconnected and facilitate information exchange. My understanding is that list of features is far from completion. CCP would need to put together people from DUST and EVE universe, as well as allow a multitude of features for eve players, such a dedicated corporation shops for instance.
PI is a great addon to pave way for succesfull DUST integration into the game.
All of those things have to be done one at a time, so not to disturb careful balance of game and at the same time keep a tight eye as to how develop game further.
Certainly DUST is a risky venture, but so is ANY other venture out there. And its great that CCP has such an ambitious and long-term plans for eve universe. 5 years down the road I would like to see much more populated and expanded realm vis-a-vis what I see now (and yes I do plan to play the game for many years to come, it became an exciting hobby of mine). And I would praise CCP for that. I would only applaud to CCP for undertaking this kind of ambitious venture.
I think strategically and from business point of view CCP understand that they have a very stable and growing base of players. Hence a very stable cashflow. Hence you can obtain high degree of leverage from banks if you can demonstrate stable cashflow. If I was CCP I would do exactly the same thing. Leverage on my existing business and invest aggressively into new businesses and ventures in order to expand current enterprise. The nature of business is such that you have to grow constantly so not to be eaten by competitors. The moment you stop - you are dead.
CCP is doing exactly the right things. Certainly there are areas of improvements, but you cant have everything on the table at the same time.
SO stop those "eve is dying threads"
AND SHOW YOUR SUPPORT TO CCP and say thank you for their hard work by SUPPORTING THIS THREAD !
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Witcher
Russian Specialists Group
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Posted - 2010.07.13 22:30:00 -
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+1
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Namira Sable
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2010.07.13 22:36:00 -
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I support this CPP as an alternative to CCP's neglectful tendencies.
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ThisIsNotMyAlt
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Posted - 2010.07.13 22:36:00 -
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Witcher
Amarr
Russian Specialists Group
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Posted - 2010.07.13 22:37:00 -
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please if you support it - post thumbs up
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Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange
Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.07.14 00:09:00 -
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 Originally by: Witcher
please if you support it - post thumbs up
But we don't support it, that's the thing. CCP has stated outright that they're not going to put any serious effort into fixing the thousands of things that are wrong with Eve for at least 18 months. Given their track record, I'd wager good money that they'll say exactly the same thing in 18 months when we ask for them to finally start caring for their flagship product. Yes, I have a lot of respect for CCP and its staff in a lot of ways, but sticking your fingers in your ears and loudly proclaiming that everything is perfect is ridiculous.
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.07.14 00:32:00 -
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Quote:
CCP is doing exactly the right things. Certainly there are areas of improvements, but you cant have everything on the table at the same time.
I don't want everything on the table at the same time. What I want is some basic commitments from CCP to fix obviously broken content that can trivially be fixed. It doesn't take 18 months to fix this stuff - most of it can be done as trivially as:
update solar_systems set sec_status = 0.1 where sec_status between 0.051 and 0.44;
Awesome, a huge lowsec boost which normalizes rewards with risks!
-Liang
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Galdornae
Caldari
Locus Industries
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Posted - 2010.07.14 00:38:00 -
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When CCP takes 20 seconds to fix rockets, I will support this.
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Glafri
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Posted - 2010.07.14 00:49:00 -
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I for one welcome our new CPP overlords.
CPP > CCP c/d
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Diakara
Righteous Chaps
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Posted - 2010.07.14 01:11:00 -
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Nope. There's a myriad of bugs and half finished features in the game as it is. Next expansion will just ignore those and add another half finished feature that will never fully mature.
I mean, Faction Warfare? Dominion's sov system? Fifth T3 susbsystem? And POSes? I'd rather spend the next 18 months getting everything already in the game to work as it should, new shinies be damned.
Also, we need a "not supported" tickbox.
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Bartholomeus Crane
Gallente
The Crane Family
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Posted - 2010.07.14 01:13:00 -
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This must be the worse troll in quite a while!
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Jonathan Mcarthur
Caldari
Ethipi
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Posted - 2010.07.14 01:16:00 -
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I guess now we know who's the a CCP sleeper agent?
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Crazy KSK
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Posted - 2010.07.14 01:33:00 -
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If ccp keeps their course I think there will be dark days coming not just for ccp.
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Yuki Kulotsuki
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Posted - 2010.07.14 01:42:00 -
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Originally by: Glafri
I for one welcome our new CPP overlords.
CPP > CCP c/d
CXX > CPP
Originally by: CCP Lemur
THIS IS GOD: ...
IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE REQUESTS I'M AVAILABLE SUNDAY FROM 10:30 TO 12:00 TO RECEIVE YOUR PRAYERS.
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Jack Coutu
Gallente
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams
Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2010.07.14 04:02:00 -
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No way. I would guess that your mom and dad are paying for this account? Or perhaps you are just really ****** in the head.
If this was a project that CCP had developed for FREE and said "we need your help and guidance" MAYBE I'd support this topic. As it stands, you don't need support and pats on that back when you are getting paid to do your job. CCP needs to wake up. The game is falling further and further into low quality coding and ideas. Simple fixes are ignored in place of "SHINY NEW USELESS PRIMAES AVAILABLE!" and "CLICK FEST WORLDS NOW OPEN FOR BORING COLONIES!"
Don't make these kinda posts anymore.
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Cyberman Mastermind
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Posted - 2010.07.14 10:05:00 -
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Originally by: Witcher
AND SHOW YOUR SUPPORT TO CCP and say thank you for their hard work by SUPPORTING THIS THREAD !
I don't think either LOL or ROFL would suffice to describe what I'm thinking.
I think my brain imploded.
We should support CCP you say - like, for example CONTINUALLY GIVING THEM MONEY? Like in paying our accounts?... |
Witcher
Amarr
Russian Specialists Group
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Posted - 2010.07.14 10:23:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Coutu
No way. I would guess that your mom and dad are paying for this account?
Is that an informed well thought out guess or is that wild uneducated idiotic guess ? - I guess the latter because you are nowhere near the reality with your guess.
Is it just me or these forums are filled with nonsensical trolls who can't acknowledge some simple logical facts and prefer to throw around insults just because.
You know what you remind me off people ? - You ever seen monkeys in the zoo? - sometimes they would just start throwing excrements into each other for no reason. That very closely resembles the majority of people on these forums. Take for example this guy quoted on top. Why all of a sudden he decided to make it personal and throw a piece of excrements my way ? He probably does not really understand that himself.
The problem here is that if you behave like monkeys then you will be treated as such. What makes you think that CCP or even anyone for that matter will listen to you, if all that you do if just throw excrements around without any decent reasoning?
If anything , go ahead and present some decent reasoning WELL ARGUED statement. Clearly layout what you are unhappy with. Then think does CCP have the capability to implement your idea. If you would have watched fan fest videos then you'd see that CCP is quite transparent in many regards. With respect to workflows and how system works within the company. For one they say that game designers present A LOT of fantastical ideas, but there are no feasible programming tools to implement those ideas in some reasonable timeframe. POS DEADHORSE for example. What makes you think that CCP did not consider that. I'm not saying that it actually happened, but there is no tangible evidence one way or the other. So as tons of other ideas and fixes. EVE Online is a project, every expansion is a project. Those of you who worked in project oriented environment would know that most important skill is ability to PRIORITIZE, and SELECT those tasks which are more important for business than other.
Yes there are some areas which require attention. Then GO AHEAD and explain why (with CLEAR AND CONSISTENT argument) for instance POS system overhaul is more important than long term strategic goals such as DUST for example.
Otherwise if you continue to behave like monkeys and throw excrements around you will hardly achieve anything.
And no, I don't work for CPP just a very long standing player.
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.07.14 10:23:00 -
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Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto
But we don't support it, that's the thing. CCP has stated outright that they're not going to put any serious effort into fixing the thousands of things that are wrong with Eve for at least 18 months. Given their track record, I'd wager good money that they'll say exactly the same thing in 18 months when we ask for them to finally start caring for their flagship product. Yes, I have a lot of respect for CCP and its staff in a lot of ways, but sticking your fingers in your ears and loudly proclaiming that everything is perfect is ridiculous.
This.
Too bad we don't have a thumbs down option in this forum.
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Aineko Macx
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Posted - 2010.07.14 11:18:00 -
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I already gave CCP my money. Why should I "show my support" if they're not doing what is in my interest?
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Mangala Solaris
Caldari
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2010.07.14 12:03:00 -
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Crowd Pacification Productions?
Theyve moved on from control have they? ;)
On a serious note, I personally have faith in CCP to do the right thing (yes Im misguided), but just want them to focus on all the broken and buggy things & half finished features they have given us over the past few years rather than focus on more new things that will be broken, buggy and generally unsupported going forward.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.07.14 12:16:00 -
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Quote:
Latest expansion conceptually is very good, the work put together might not be very evident. But it lays a solid foundation for future expansion of game
True.
The concept of the last 5 expansions or so was very good. But the implementation was horrible. Most of the features were scrapped before launch and the remaining ones were filled with bugs. And instead of fixing that and using the foundation they had, they just decided to make the next expansion that is conceptually very good but in practise horrible. One that is a foundation for new iterations but ignored again, just like the previous expansion.
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Rawls Canardly
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Posted - 2010.07.14 12:16:00 -
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I'll show my support for CCP when they show their support for me.
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Jack Coutu
Gallente
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams
Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2010.07.14 18:30:00 -
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Originally by: Witcher
Originally by: Jack Coutu
No way. I would guess that your mom and dad are paying for this account?
Is that an informed well thought out guess or is that wild uneducated idiotic guess ? - I guess the latter because you are nowhere near the reality with your guess.
Is it just me or these forums are filled with nonsensical trolls who can't acknowledge some simple logical facts and prefer to throw around insults just because.
You know what you remind me off people ? - You ever seen monkeys in the zoo? - sometimes they would just start throwing excrements into each other for no reason. That very closely resembles the majority of people on these forums. Take for example this guy quoted on top. Why all of a sudden he decided to make it personal and throw a piece of excrements my way ? He probably does not really understand that himself.
The problem here is that if you behave like monkeys then you will be treated as such. What makes you think that CCP or even anyone for that matter will listen to you, if all that you do if just throw excrements around without any decent reasoning?
If anything , go ahead and present some decent reasoning WELL ARGUED statement. Clearly layout what you are unhappy with. Then think does CCP have the capability to implement your idea. If you would have watched fan fest videos then you'd see that CCP is quite transparent in many regards. With respect to workflows and how system works within the company. For one they say that game designers present A LOT of fantastical ideas, but there are no feasible programming tools to implement those ideas in some reasonable timeframe. POS DEADHORSE for example. What makes you think that CCP did not consider that. I'm not saying that it actually happened, but there is no tangible evidence one way or the other. So as tons of other ideas and fixes. EVE Online is a project, every expansion is a project. Those of you who worked in project oriented environment would know that most important skill is ability to PRIORITIZE, and SELECT those tasks which are more important for business than other.
Yes there are some areas which require attention. Then GO AHEAD and explain why (with CLEAR AND CONSISTENT argument) for instance POS system overhaul is more important than long term strategic goals such as DUST for example.
Otherwise if you continue to behave like monkeys and throw excrements around you will hardly achieve anything.
And no, I don't work for CPP just a very long standing player.
I think the only one trolling here is you. Why would we as I stated in other places, need to support people who are already being supported by our subs. What purpose does the OP serve? Are you trying to form a coalition of CCP fans? Or are you filling the forums with a thread that says "STOP WHAT YOU ARE DOING TO CCP!"? I believe it is the latter in many forms and it serves no point. There are always going to be trolls, though your way of describing them is pretty idiotic. You also seem to have no grip on the way the changes in the game come. It is not a game designer who has thought of most ideas for EVE, it is the playerbase, and all the fixes the playerbase has been screaming to get for years now, have been in a large part ignored. Simple fixes are being passed over to work on avatar's for a game that in 18 to 24 months will be MORE broken than it is now. Why bother playing it just for an avatar at that point?
CCP has tons of "support" but they have abused the customer base badly with no communication that matters, no deadlines that are being met on a consistent basis, half finished projects, terrible coding, numerous bugs, a lack of "excellence" in all arenas and overall, the snobbish attitude of a company that has lost it's focus and center.
You sir are just too happy to be playing a space game to notice these things. Wake up.
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Im Blue
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Posted - 2010.07.14 18:57:00 -
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ill support ccp when the fix eve, so many old bugs
where the hell is the thumbs down option??
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Auri Hella
Downwind Trading Guild
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Posted - 2010.07.14 18:59:00 -
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Bawww.
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar
Shadow Cadre
Xenogenesis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.14 20:33:00 -
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No... I'm not going to give my support.
All I saw in those minute was pure unadulterated arrogance and ignorance of the problems in EVE Online.
I get they want to do grand things... I get they have great plans for future expansions... hell I'm all for it.
But ever since Apocrypha I've had nothing but trouble as a stubborn Mac Gamer.
I've seen in-game issues that are very troublesome and completely ignored.
I've seen countless issues raised and ignored.
I see CCP ***** footing every time the CSM brings up a valid point that's clearly a problem and CCP just passes it off.
I continue to play this game in hopes of them getting off there ass and focusing on quality and not quantity... but even I have my limits.
You want my support and thanks?
Fix the ####ing game.
Put some damn effort into showing you give a crap and your listening at least.
Want proof? Go check the Mac Boards some time.... this goes far further than in-game mechanics being screwy.... there's much more to this elephant in the room.
That's my 2 cents... don't like it? Don't care...
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Jovan Geldon
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Posted - 2010.07.14 21:19:00 -
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Edited by: Jovan Geldon on 14/07/2010 21:25:10
Originally by: Witcher
Is it just me or these forums are filled with nonsensical trolls who can't acknowledge some simple logical facts and prefer to throw around insults just because.
Your post in and of itself would seem to indicate the latter.
I will support CCP when they support me, namely by learning how to prioritize and fix what their paying customers actually care about, instead of adding more half-broken and useless features.
Also, excrement. Just because.
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar
Shadow Cadre
Xenogenesis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.14 21:29:00 -
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Originally by: Jovan Geldon
Edited by: Jovan Geldon on 14/07/2010 21:25:10
Originally by: Witcher
Is it just me or these forums are filled with nonsensical trolls who can't acknowledge some simple logical facts and prefer to throw around insults just because.
Your post in and of itself would seem to indicate the latter.
I will support CCP when they support me, namely by learning how to prioritize and fix what their paying customers actually care about, instead of adding more half-broken and useless features.
Also, excrement. Just because.
Emphasis on PAYING CUSTOMERS
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CEO of Shadow Cadre
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Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.07.14 21:43:00 -
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Let me get this straight: you want me to support the CCP that does have the time and resources to introduce a completely useless (albeit pretty) hauler, but doesn't have the time and resources to fix rockets? Or Assault Frigates? Or Scan Probes on overview? Or any of dozens of other trivial fixes that have been awaited by the playerbase for years?
Support the CCP that put 20 people on to the Evegate team to produce a social networking app used by about 12 players and that was requested by nobody, but that only had ONE GUY on the UI team until recently, when we've been begging for a UI overhaul (or at least fixes for some of the more glaringly awful issues) since... well, since EVE launched?
Yeah. No.
I'll support the CCP that says: Hey, wait, maybe we've been doing things the wrong way around here. Maybe we should pay some attention to our customers' priorities, and not just squeeze out yet another half-finished, untested, unwanted, poorly balanced "new shiny" to lie stinking up the game with more useless features that would be great if they actually worked.
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Kurroes
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Posted - 2010.07.15 07:25:00 -
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1 Fix all the clicking. There is way to much bull**** clicking in this game. When I am crushing ore it shouldnt ask me what installation I want to use seeing as its the only one capable of doing it. PI really create link create route route product nice waste of my time there.
2 cloaked system campers index falls everyday on its own I dont need help from some ass clown with nothing better to do than sit cloaked in system all day.
3. invention waht a load of crap 30 days to copy obolisk BPO 6 days to invent and it hasnt worked the last 4 times off 2 BPOs 8 copies down the crapper.
4. Hulkagedden holy **** a sponsered event to kill ships in high sec. AND they all get paid to do it from insurince.
4 Why can we pull ore from the corp hanger for compression but not the ORE HOLD.
5. It carriers fighters and bombers both are manned craft now but it cant carry a frigate with someone in it.
6. New space there needs to be a resone for some of these huge allainces to leave some of the 0.0 space so the littler corps can move down the there . give us a brake our little 10 man corp has to pay a rediculous rent to stay in a system that we dont have full rights in. IE moon mins plexs Shuffle the moon minerals around a little or add them to WH space so smaller corps can have there own little part to call home.
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gpfault
NQX Innovations
Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.07.15 08:13:00 -
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How ****ing dare anyone out there make fun of CCP after all they've done for you.!
They made factional warfare, they made wormholes. they made ****ing planetry interaction.
A developer turned out to be a cheater, and now they're trying to finish dust. All you people care about isà.. playing eve and having fun.
THEY ARE HUMAN! What you donÆt realize is that they are making you all these games and all you do is write a bunch of crap about them.
They havenÆt released a good expansion in years. Their motto is ôWe care more. We work harder.ö for a reason because all you people want is MORE! MORE-MORE, MORE: MORE!
LEAVE THEM ALONE! You are lucky they even made eve for you BASTARDS!
LEAVE CCP ALONE!à..Please.
Dierdra Vaal talked about excellence and said if CCP was a excellent they wouldÆve pulled it off no matter what.
Speaking of excellence, when is it excellent to publicly bash someone who is going through a hard time.
Leave CCP Alone Pleaseà. !
Leave Crowd Control Productions alone!àright now!à.I mean it.!
Anyone that has a problem with them you deal with me, because they are not well right now.
LEAVE THEM ALONE!
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Ban Doga
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Posted - 2010.07.15 08:50:00 -
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Edited by: Ban Doga on 15/07/2010 08:50:09
Not supporting the current course of CCP.
Introducing bugs is sad but happens - we're all human.
Not fixing them as soon as possible and instead introducing more content (that will have bugs as well) is wrong.
You don't correct one mistake by making another.
In 18 months when Incarna and/or Dust will be released there will be the next project/expansion on the horizon and new reasons to say "we'll just do this, then we'll get back to fixing stuff. promise".
Do it now, do it right.
One thing you should learn early when developing software is LeBlancÆs law: later equals never.
So please stop hoping you will have time later.
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar
Shadow Cadre
Xenogenesis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.15 09:21:00 -
[33]
Here's an idea.
Spend less money on advertising and marketing... and more on fixing the bloody game.
Let the pilots advertise for you.
It's how I found this game... word of mouth.
I can tell you this much... the only reason you guys got people here who have played for years is because of loyalty over the spirit/uniqueness of eve... not for the frakking new features... I guarantee it.
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Ksharaa
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Posted - 2010.07.15 13:53:00 -
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You fail to consider that CCP/eve has been around for many, many years.
The amount of very basic, reproducible bugs (not even considering more complex issues like fleet lag) is staggering for such a "mature" product. CCP has stated that devoting even a minimal amount of resources to this problem is out of the question.
With this in mind, what grounds do you have to tell the player base to stop whining and support CCP?
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Tyr Aeron
Therapy.
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.07.15 21:48:00 -
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Edited by: Tyr Aeron on 15/07/2010 21:48:51
Edited by: Tyr Aeron on 15/07/2010 21:48:35
Developing EVE is CCP's JOB. I get up in the morning and go to my job and in return, I recieve a paycheck. If I did my job half-assed, I would be fired. End of story.
CCP, however, gets paid roughly $15 per account per month regardless of how ****ed up they're most recent 'efforts' (and I use that term loosly) have been. We're the boss here people, and our employees are drinking on the job and stealing from the supply closet. Time to put the hammer down and demand CCP quit ****ing around and follow through with their promises.
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Witcher
Amarr
Russian Specialists Group
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Posted - 2010.07.17 16:19:00 -
[36]
This is like ultimate luxure that company is so transparent as ccp. They took time explain how they allocated resources in order to achieve selected goals, which is pretty amazing. Look at other companies you don't see nothing nowhere like this.
Besides, I guess thats true that CCP "fixing" team is working on a variety of bugs behind the scenes. I'm sure there were a lot exploits, bugs and various other problems with the code, which should be fixed. And if you don't see it, it does not matter that no work is done.
To my liking their choice of development is amazing. I think incarna and dust link implementation is exactly the right choice of tasks for now in order to really improve the game.
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Dariah Stardweller
Gallente
Gung-Ho
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Posted - 2010.07.18 21:07:00 -
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Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto
Originally by: Witcher
please if you support it - post thumbs up
But we don't support it, that's the thing. CCP has stated outright that they're not going to put any serious effort into fixing the thousands of things that are wrong with Eve for at least 18 months. Given their track record, I'd wager good money that they'll say exactly the same thing in 18 months when we ask for them to finally start caring for their flagship product. Yes, I have a lot of respect for CCP and its staff in a lot of ways, but sticking your fingers in your ears and loudly proclaiming that everything is perfect is ridiculous.
Let's take a look at what they actualy said:
"Once Incarna and Dust are fully implemented, focus will probably shift far more towards improvement"
"Fully implemented", basicly they can keep claiming it's still not fully implemented as long as they want.
"Probably", that's right, it's not even a sure thing. More of a 'maybe'.
And at last: "Far more". Well, if you do jack **** about it now doubling your efforts is "far more" but still crap :D
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T'Amber
www.shipsofeve.com
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Posted - 2010.07.18 21:32:00 -
[38]
/me <3 CCP.
No-one griefs better than CCP.
I love this game!
-T'amber
[SoE:X]
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Brutus B
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Posted - 2010.07.19 11:50:00 -
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+1 I definitely hate eve is dying threads. The great thing is that when old players give up, new players are eager to try and take their place. IT's an epic sandbox where there is always someone new wanting to take their place. Despite player turnoever being a real thing, they are still growing their playerbase at a healthy rate.
I <3 CCP TOO. I offer critics as much as I have time to, only because they desire player feedback and spend time sifting forums unlike other dev-teams out there.
I know they have huge backlogs of things they mean to introduce and fix because they aren't as big a company as they want to be. (They have had some positions open forever because they are looking for people who can contribute, and not just ruin eve, and have even opened a 4th office in England to give them access to yet another local talent pool.) Plus, they've never charged us extra for new expansions, or segregated us into seperate universes. Despite it's imperfections (and what game is without them) EVE is for many many reasons the best MMO and is the only MMO I've been able to play for years (as opposed to a week or a month).
I will be one of the eve players who also plays dust when it comes out. And I will even sample World of Darkness MMO whenever they get around to it because I trust their brand, and commitment they have to their products. All things considered, I think CCP is one of the best developers out there, and only CCP can convince me otherwise because I DIGGS their stuff.
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Daedalus II
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Posted - 2010.07.19 12:16:00 -
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Though I really think people are bit (read: a lot) ungrateful for everything CCP does, and I do support this, I can't help but thinking this is a really fitting link 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDDEhLw1PVI
(Just replace Britney with CCP)
I think it's risky to come down too harshly on CCP. Sure, we as players should be able to influence the way the game is headed, but if we're demanding too much there is a risk CCP stops listen entirely, scraps the CSM, and we'll have NO voice instead. Better with moderate influence than no influence at all imo.
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Cearain
Caldari
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
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Posted - 2010.07.20 15:43:00 -
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Edited by: Cearain on 20/07/2010 15:43:49
Witcher
I think you misspelled "CCP". In your title you ask us to support "CPP".
But then again maybe you intended to ask us to support "OPP" and mispelled that. If thats the case, I do give that my full support.
-Cearain
Make fw occupancy pvp instead of pve:
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Black Dranzer
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Posted - 2010.07.20 16:11:00 -
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SHOW YOUR SUPPORT TO CCP PEOPLE
No.
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Chesty McJubblies
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Posted - 2010.07.21 15:18:00 -
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Originally by: Witcher
please if you support it - post thumbs up
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Cosmic Rainbow
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Posted - 2010.07.21 15:50:00 -
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Edited by: Cosmic Rainbow on 21/07/2010 15:50:20
Sorry, I dont support CCP anymore.
The interesting thing OP is that you assume we are trying to hurt or damage CCP through this action and through our postings - by criticizing them, and by demanding that they change their direction, and this couldnt be further from the truth.
We are attempting to help them.
How are we attempting to help them Im sure you're asking yourself?
If there is a problem amongst the player base, or a significant issue which could jeapordize the game - that being paying subscribers will cancel their accounts and move on to another MMO, then we have a duty as people who enjoy and care about this game to bring it to CCP's attention.
The fact is:
Large portions of the game are broken. The number of broken 'features' in the game keep increasing. The list of broken features has been well documented by the CSM, and presented to CCP.
The player base has used the available channels, and processes to present these issues to CCP, and express the player's concern regarding these issues. Those concerns have been ignored in favour of creating yet more new shiny's (and really imo trying to make something so new and cutting edge in order to give themselves a pat on the back, and be industry ground-breakers; ie; EGO).
IMO - this could very well be the death of EVE if it continues moving along this path.
I dont know what the corporate culture is like within CCP, but Im getting the feeling it is truly one of arrogance and "we know better than you", and one of indulgence as well. This, I cannot support.
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Pel Ukken
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.21 20:11:00 -
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i support CCP every month with my subscription payment.
and that's all they are getting atm.
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Captain Greeneyes
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Posted - 2010.07.21 21:18:00 -
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tl;dr: Don't like the game? Quit playing. Either that, or STFU.
I truly support what the OP is trying to get across. And no, I'm not trolling.
Let me first start by saying that I understand everyone's argument -- it does seem silly that little things like rockets or glitchy timers aren't being fixed in a timely manner. If I was a developer, I would take a quick minute to fix many of the bugs. But what a lot of people don't understand is that this is a company in which all decision, big or small, need to be thought out and run by everyone before their implemented. They can't say... "Hmm, I think I'm just going to ninja this fix in" -- it needs to go through the proper channels just like everything else.
CCP is a -company- first and foremost, and will do what they think is right for the company. Just because you pay them doesn't mean you tell them what to do. For all those "I pay them, so I demand they listen to me" -- no, you payed them to access this wonderful game. What they do for expansions and patches is up to them, even moreso since the patches are 100% free. If you don't like playing the game that they have offered, then -quit playing-. It's quite as simple as that. If you truly think that the game is so bugged and that CCP doesn't give a damn about it's playerbase, then wtf are you still doing here?
It's disgraceful when you have idiots shouting FIX THE LAG whenever a dev blog appears, even when the dev blog isn't relevant to anything of that nature, when everyone knows that lag is probably the hardest technical problem CCP comes across (and will probably never fully solve due to the nature of it).
Yes, I'm also a little peeved that they are devoting most of their resources to new projects rather than taking a week to fix and balance rockets and the small stuff. But I also understand that they are a company trying to make a profit, and to do that they need something to sell. They can't release an expansion -a FREE GODDAMN EXPANSION- and try to sell it with "EVE Online: The Bug Fix Expansion". They NEED new content that will draw new players into the game. At the moment, that new content is Incarna and the DUST interaction, which are both major releases up to the scale of the Trinity patch (I wasn't around back then, but I don't know of anyone who has ever said "Damn, I wished they fixed the damn rockets instead of adding new shiny models to the game. I loved my blocky Thrasher, it didn't need an upgrade").
Be thankful that this company is as transparent as it is. Had this game been made by Blizzard, you would have to pay for the expansions, in between of which you'll get almost no insight into the company or the game, and there would be exclusive betas and not the freely accessible test server. CCP does a lot for us.
I'm disgusted by all the people frothing at the mouth. Yes, the game has problems that really -need- to be addressed. Yes, CCP has been a little too enthusiastic with it's vision for the future. But I do not believe that CCP is telling it's playerbase to STFU like so many on these forums claim they do.
I support CCP and the work they have done so far, even though I may not be entirely thrilled with some of the decisions that have made. Like the saying goes "you can't win 'em all". To those complaining: STFU or quit the game. Whatever you're complaining about is obviously not enough to get you to quite since you're still here. CCP is aware of all the problems, they don't need it's playerbase to jump at them at every chance.
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YouKnowYouWannaDoIt
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Posted - 2010.07.21 23:57:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Let me get this straight: you want me to support the CCP that does have the time and resources to introduce a completely useless (albeit pretty) hauler, but doesn't have the time and resources to fix rockets? Or Assault Frigates? Or Scan Probes on overview? Or any of dozens of other trivial fixes that have been awaited by the playerbase for years?
Support the CCP that put 20 people on to the Evegate team to produce a social networking app used by about 12 players and that was requested by nobody, but that only had ONE GUY on the UI team until recently, when we've been begging for a UI overhaul (or at least fixes for some of the more glaringly awful issues) since... well, since EVE launched?
Yeah. No.
I'll support the CCP that says: Hey, wait, maybe we've been doing things the wrong way around here. Maybe we should pay some attention to our customers' priorities, and not just squeeze out yet another half-finished, untested, unwanted, poorly balanced "new shiny" to lie stinking up the game with more useless features that would be great if they actually worked.
/signed.
Oh, and OP, please tell me where you fly your Primae. I'd like to, uhm, come and tickle it with my lolkets.
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couriertrading alt
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Posted - 2010.07.23 00:41:00 -
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CCP have made a great game and put a lot of work into keeping it interesting for the vets and so that the n00bs can start all the while keeping it as balanced as they can, you must have enjoyed it once or you are just complaining for no reason.
If you dont think CCP is working hard enought to fix the problems vote with your feet it is easy to do, if your f***ed idea of fun is playing a game you dont enjoy go play and whine about WoW dont constantly complain about the hard work of the people who make a game I love.
There are issues but i am sure CCP is working hard to fix them and not just because it is their job i belive that the people at CCP want us to enjoy EVE and not just so we keep subscibing.
Good job CCP keep up the hard work.
tl:dr STFU CCP are Great!!!
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Kel Nissa
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Posted - 2010.07.23 17:21:00 -
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Personally i think that CCP does a bad job with community interaction.
Thats why im not supporting this thread.
To many half finished features
- faction warfare (territority has no meaning)
- certificates (how about inner corp access?)
To many well known bugs
- using logistics in higsec on foreign player is suicide
- hangar access is beyond fixing
(It would be easy to add 100 issues, but thats not relevant for the current topic.)
Maybe I should open a "tumb down" proposal thread.
Actually im close to cancel my annual sub, because the last 2 expansions where a waste of time in my opinion and projects like dust are not in my interest (i dont intend to buy a console).
I am well aware that some players are unable to respect my opinion. But that is their problem and not mine.
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Ti'anla
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Posted - 2010.07.24 09:51:00 -
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Edited by: Ti''anla on 24/07/2010 09:57:19
Eh, I'll support this one, and strongly.
While the thread's a bit on the extreme side, and I recognise there are issues, I've had it up to here with all the shrieking about the developer's current plan (especially the erroneous claims all space-bound content, fixing, and optimisation is completely and utterly on hold for 18 months), and hope to God they continue to ignore it.
Not that they can pull back on it, if you ask me. Incarna is too far along for it to be anything but a financial disaster to abort it, and putting it on hold would only create more problems.
For one, I do not want an EVE where everything was fixed because of screamers instead of being a proper development focus as they plan on it being, only for a mass-pile of expansions from Incarna, DUST, and the rest of Planetary Interaction to break everything all over again, and possibly take another few years to get fixed due to resources already having been burned in a previous, redundant fix-scramble. That might even do serious damage to EVE, way more than a year or so's continuation of the current state (complete with the usual continuous, secondary-focus fixing along the way) could do.
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