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Alexzandros
Caldari The Blue Dagger Mercenery Agency Imajiaca
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Posted - 2010.07.14 02:14:00 -
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As a good friend once said to you. So long Defy and thanks for all the fish!
I'm glad to see that your behavior finally got you into some trouble with someone who could punish you. Perhaps next time you'll remember your manners.
For those unaware Ms Kypp's manners got her in trouble tonight after ****ing off TCF leadership, they have had all of Deklein set them red and have laid siege to their space.
And now I'll quote you, like you said to Triumvirate this past spring.
"Enjoy High Sec"
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1198327&page=1
Fly... well just die,
Alexzandros
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Gnosis19
Caldari The Blue Dagger Mercenery Agency Imajiaca
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Posted - 2010.07.14 02:15:00 -
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Edited by: Gnosis19 on 14/07/2010 02:15:53 See you in Jita 4-4 Defourant :D
Edit, so now are you Defi4-4nt? -- Gnosis19, CEO ICHIZOKU |
EdFromHumanResources
Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.07.14 02:19:00 -
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So much for Defiant.
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Musical Fist
Gallente NAP Coalition
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Posted - 2010.07.14 02:21:00 -
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Nice thread, decent wit definately not a WI(DOT) thread
Actually the drama started last week :P as I mentioned in my other thread but can you really blame TCF.
Anyway I hear NC are already filling the void with 5 alliances upto 20k ppl joining they ever obese NAP train
You may also want to quote some Vanguard threads too ;) --
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Gnosis19
Caldari The Blue Dagger Mercenery Agency Imajiaca
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Posted - 2010.07.14 02:23:00 -
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Originally by: Musical Fist Actually the drama started last week :P as I mentioned in my other thread but can you really blame TCF.
tbh the only thing I blame TCF for is leaving that failliance stay in their space for so long. -- Gnosis19, CEO ICHIZOKU |
Terrimad
Gallente Haters Gonna Hate
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Posted - 2010.07.14 02:24:00 -
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did they finally die?
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glitterbomb
Caldari D00M.
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Posted - 2010.07.14 02:42:00 -
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i thought goonswarm was defiant's pets in deklien
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EdFromHumanResources
Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.07.14 02:43:00 -
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That's what you get for thinking. You should stick to something you are more apt at, posting is not that something.
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CuteKitten
Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.07.14 03:17:00 -
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It has been very good to fly with the proud and honourable alliance DefiFOURnt. I look forward to working with them in the future.
Oh wait
no I don't
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CuteKitten
Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.07.14 03:22:00 -
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And thanks for anchoring 10 bubbles on that one gate. It really meant a lot to me
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jagidrok
Minmatar Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2010.07.14 03:22:00 -
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Posting in a thread with clever trolling.
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MpozoY
Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.07.14 03:30:00 -
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I'm looking forward to seeing new and exciting innovations in using numbers where letters go in corp/4lliance names
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Ackbarre
Minmatar GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.07.14 04:05:00 -
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I'm a terrible poaster and wanted to add to the non-existent content.
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Imigo Montoya
Gallente THE INSURGENCY DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2010.07.14 04:30:00 -
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Seeing as we are informing "those unaware", I thought I'd ensure the other side of the story is told to the masses.
Yes, Defi4nt leadership may have annoyed TCF leadership in response to what they did, but I ask you this: what would you do if somebody said (and I paraphrase) "Hey there Defi4nt, remember those four systems you bought from us, cash in advance? Well, we've decided to give them to the Goons now (7 months later). Please vacate them in an orderly fashion or we'll reset you."
Further paraphrasing would be "Please smile while I kick you in the balls".
I think removing a TCF diplomat from a discussion (and anything else short of blowing stuff up) is a fairly mild response all said and done.
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Gnosis19
Caldari The Blue Dagger Mercenery Agency Imajiaca
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Posted - 2010.07.14 04:41:00 -
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Originally by: Imigo Montoya Seeing as we are informing "those unaware", I thought I'd ensure the other side of the story is told to the masses.
Yes, Defi4nt leadership may have annoyed TCF leadership in response to what they did, but I ask you this: what would you do if somebody said (and I paraphrase) "Hey there Defi4nt, remember those four systems you bought from us, cash in advance? Well, we've decided to give them to the Goons now (7 months later). Please vacate them in an orderly fashion or we'll reset you."
Further paraphrasing would be "Please smile while I kick you in the balls".
I think removing a TCF diplomat from a discussion (and anything else short of blowing stuff up) is a fairly mild response all said and done.
tbh, with the way DEFY treated the NC in the Cloud Ring operation, and all other ops where they expected some level of commitment from your alliance, are you at all surprised with the fact that they have shown you just as much disloyalty and contempt?
DEFY is known for inefficiency, and may I remind you that it's also done its own fair share of backstabbing (as many people who have posted in this thread can attest to).
None of this makes what TCF has done right, but don't play the victim when you're just as guilty as they are.
See you in Jita. -- Gnosis19, CEO ICHIZOKU |
CuteKitten
Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.07.14 04:50:00 -
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Originally by: Imigo Montoya A BLOO BLA BLOO
lol
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Alexzandros
Caldari The Blue Dagger Mercenery Agency Imajiaca
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Posted - 2010.07.14 04:58:00 -
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Imigo so how much is your broke alliance going to fine you for posting on this thread? At least try to make it worth it. Nobody is fooled by the oooh innocent me act.
Your alliance leadership is a bunch of pretentious malcontents with a combined IQ under 40. They behave like a bunch of children that are given their first taste of power when babysitting a sibling for 10 minutes while mom goes to the store. I'm sure if they used a bit of tact you might not be in the situation you are in.
karma sucks eh?
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Imigo Montoya
Gallente THE INSURGENCY DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2010.07.14 05:06:00 -
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Originally by: Gnosis19 tbh, with the way DEFY treated the NC in the Cloud Ring operation, and all other ops where they expected some level of commitment from your alliance, are you at all surprised with the fact that they have shown you just as much disloyalty and contempt?
DEFY is known for inefficiency, and may I remind you that it's also done its own fair share of backstabbing (as many people who have posted in this thread can attest to).
None of this makes what TCF has done right, but don't play the victim when you're just as guilty as they are.
See you in Jita.
Seeing as I joined Defy just at the conclusion of the CR op, I can't comment on that. However I will comment on what I've seen while in Defi4nt, and that is several members doing nothing *but* NC operations.
In the Tri invasion Defi4nt members were called to fight out of ROIR and did.
In the SC/Kitchen sink invasion Defi4nt members were ordered out of our space and into H-W with minimal rotation time back home to recoup ISK to buy more ships to return to the front line.
I can't say Defy is perfect, I've seen many personality clashes since I joined, and there are a whole lot of n00bs in the alliance, but to be entirely honest I've found it a very welcoming group of players who are now being quite literally shat on by TCF/Goons. Not just the Defi4nt leadership, but every single individual player who for the most part have contributed a lot to the NC (and I have personally seen the contribution that has been made).
Maybe diplomacy has failed, maybe not just yet, but either way to the NC community I say this: make sure you have the full picture before you decide your own course of action in this situation.
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Imigo Montoya
Gallente THE INSURGENCY DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2010.07.14 05:14:00 -
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Originally by: Alexzandros Nobody is fooled by the oooh innocent me act.
I never said Defi4nt is innocent, just posting facts so people get a bit more of the full picture. Make up your own mind as you please.
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Gnosis19
Caldari The Blue Dagger Mercenery Agency Imajiaca
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Posted - 2010.07.14 05:15:00 -
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Edited by: Gnosis19 on 14/07/2010 05:16:00
Originally by: Imigo Montoya Seeing as I joined Defy just at the conclusion of the CR op, I can't comment on that. However I will comment on what I've seen while in Defi4nt, and that is several members doing nothing *but* NC operations.
In the Tri invasion Defi4nt members were called to fight out of ROIR and did.
In the SC/Kitchen sink invasion Defi4nt members were ordered out of our space and into H-W with minimal rotation time back home to recoup ISK to buy more ships to return to the front line.
I can't say Defy is perfect, I've seen many personality clashes since I joined, and there are a whole lot of n00bs in the alliance, but to be entirely honest I've found it a very welcoming group of players who are now being quite literally shat on by TCF/Goons. Not just the Defi4nt leadership, but every single individual player who for the most part have contributed a lot to the NC (and I have personally seen the contribution that has been made).
Maybe diplomacy has failed, maybe not just yet, but either way to the NC community I say this: make sure you have the full picture before you decide your own course of action in this situation.
Don't get me wrong, there were some great guys in DEFY who I enjoyed flying with. Every minute of it.
But time after time, the leadership let the alliance down. Whether that was because of the inactive forums, the unfulfilled promise of ship replacements, general poor planning or lack of training for the newer players, they failed on a lot of counts to make DEFY more than just a group of underfunded low to medium-skilled individuals, which isn't enough to fly in 0.0.
The thing is, when I was in DEFY, we had Call To Arms ops with 7 people x'ing and more than that sitting and ratting in home systems. We had an op where we took 12 people mostly in T1 Cruisers and Frigates to field against PL at the peak of their power.
We had POS's which weren't fuelled correctly, sovereignty in key station systems held by 3-4 POS's, POS's on r64s with harvesters offlined. DEFY just had severe issues in leadership with too many people expecting too many other people to do everything.
And then of course was the way they treated IZK, after we had bought 10 POS's to spam XZH and 9-4, after we had consistantly x'd for every op, the leadership thought that we were the troublemakers, not the inactive and lazy ratting and mining corps which contributed nothing to the alliance.
DEFY is just a textbook example of how not to run an alliance. Hopefully with a bit of work you can go back to high-sec, trim your fat, implement a proper leadership structure with people who understand what they're doing, and get a much stronger backbone working.
Myself and Alex are ex-members, we know how DEFY works (or, doesn't). -- Gnosis19, CEO ICHIZOKU |
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Ventro69
Caldari Manson Family Corcoran State
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Posted - 2010.07.14 06:18:00 -
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NO! I won't have this! Defihant is the BEST.... oh wait, I was thinking of Frege.
Is anyone surprised??? This is after all the alliance with a special channel for pilots who can fly T2.
And the statement about the combined IQ being 40 is false too. You have to deduct 5 points everytime Kypp needs to wipe Redia's face or change his nappie.
We came, we mined the bejeezeuz out of the Bistot, we ratted so much that the officers spawned twice a day to offer terms, we left. All that ****ty alliance was ever good for.
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arjun
Amarr Battlestars Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.07.14 06:22:00 -
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hehe when the fat cats in the nc get bored they find a reason for some pew pew. any of the smaller/weaker entities can be replaced manyfold by other alliances who would literally do anything for a constellation to macro in. just anybody can be next as long as there is no outside threat and bff are needed. the list gets longer every week. co2, aeternus, defiant, mordus angels. i am sure, i forgott some.
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Ventro69
Caldari Manson Family Corcoran State
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Posted - 2010.07.14 06:29:00 -
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It's a troll. They are still very much on the monkey list.
http://standings.morsus-mihi.org/
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Imigo Montoya
Gallente THE INSURGENCY DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2010.07.14 07:27:00 -
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Originally by: Ventro69 It's a troll. They are still very much on the monkey list.
http://standings.morsus-mihi.org/
No troll, I'm currently watching former neighbours and allies shooting our station in OWXT.
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Hrin
Minmatar Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.07.14 07:39:00 -
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Originally by: EdFromHumanResources So much for Defiant.
Hey welcome back. How are you?
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Calduin
Caldari DarkStar 1 Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.07.14 07:39:00 -
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Should have paid your mortgage instead of telling the bank the downpayment was all they're getting. As a result we're foreclosing on your property.
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Laamir
Amarr DarkStar 1 Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.07.14 07:44:00 -
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Originally by: Imigo Montoya
Originally by: Ventro69 It's a troll. They are still very much on the monkey list.
http://standings.morsus-mihi.org/
No troll, I'm currently watching former neighbours and allies shooting our station in OWXT.
This is terrible news for DEFIFOURNT
Have you tried explaining that it's all a misunderstanding?
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Imigo Montoya
Gallente THE INSURGENCY DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2010.07.14 07:45:00 -
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Originally by: Calduin Should have paid your mortgage instead of telling the bank the downpayment was all they're getting. As a result we're foreclosing on your property.
ROFL!!! Is that what they're telling you? Nice.
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Tomcat
Gallente Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.07.14 07:53:00 -
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Originally by: arjun Edited by: arjun on 14/07/2010 06:27:29 hehe when the fat cats in the nc get bored they find a reason for some pew pew. any of the smaller/weaker entities can be replaced manyfold by other alliances who would literally do anything for a constellation to macro in. just anybody can be next as long as there is no outside threat and bff are needed. the list gets longer every week. co2, aeternus, defiant, mordus angels. i am sure, i forgott some.
btw i dont say some of those entities were great assets but if you compare participation during the sc invasion with held space in nc territory, ther are larger alliances with a worse showing too.
c02 got removed for being blue shooting ****tards, aeternus (what did they have to do with the NC) Mordus Angels were never reset by the entities that set them blue, nor did they request NC wide standings so once again we have a case of you posting with no clue about what your on about.. BTLS POSTER best POSTER
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Valarre
Caldari Allied Tactical Squadron
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Posted - 2010.07.14 08:02:00 -
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I just want to put out there guys, you may all get on Defy about lack of leadership and organization, however when it came to defending H-w and destroying that Titan in there and all, little Defy matched TCF's numbers in defense for all of that which was like 20 (12-13 for the titan I think). So laugh at defy all you want, the real people to laugh at is TCF: 1. They're french. 2. They formed a larger fleet to get rid of long term allies than they do to get rid of reds. 3. They're french, what can I say? Curious tho, and this is just a thought, could NC have silently given TCF the boot from Dek because of their own lack of participation in defending NC space? Hmmm curious indeed, otherwise why would TCF be leaving Dek and handing it to Goons?
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