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democrities	Posted - 2010.07.14 02:48:00 - [1] Ive seen people mention dust, and Im familiar with it, but what is incarna?
Tarin Adur Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2010.07.14 02:50:00 - [2] Next expansion to Eve i'm pretty sure, think it involves walking in stations?
Andreus LeHane Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2010.07.14 02:55:00 - [3] It's the beta for the engine they're gonna use in World of Darkness, according to the forums. -----
Commissar Kate Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive	Posted - 2010.07.14 03:06:00 - [4] The Sims in space. YAY finally !!!!
Messoroz	Posted - 2010.07.14 03:25:00 - [5] Same thing as Midas, an expansion that will just fail.
Ancy Denaries	Posted - 2010.07.14 13:00:00 - [6] Ahh, the bitterness of EVE General... ---- The Demigodess with a Conscience - An EVE IC Blog Originally by: CCP Dropbear rofl edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
Scott Ryder Amarr art of eve Gunmen of the Apocalypse	Posted - 2010.07.14 13:08:00 - [7] some old hype they started talking about and showing us videos from in 2007. Wont ever happend.
Jennifer Fenring Amarr	Posted - 2010.07.14 13:09:00 - [8] Incarna is to EVE what Duke Nukem Forever is for FPS.
Antihrist Pripravnik 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.07.14 13:09:00 - [9] Edited by: Antihrist Pripravnik on 14/07/2010 13:16:24 Incarna is nothing more than a couple of years old vaporware at this moment. It should enable you to walk in stations (and no, you can't walk in your ship), but only God and CCP knows when it will be published (although I think God has second thoughts about the exact time).
Scrotal Hematoma	Posted - 2010.07.14 13:27:00 - [10] It's an expansion coming in 2 or 3 more years which will no doubt require the year of bug fixing that the game you're playing right now needs.

Sekretarka	Posted - 2010.07.14 13:41:00 - [11] Summer 2011, you heard it here first.
TheBlueMonkey Gallente Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2010.07.14 14:10:00 - [12] Originally by: Andreus LeHane It's the beta for the engine they're gonna use in World of Darkness, according to the forums. This, I'm guessing it'll also be the same engine they use for dust so I'd expect us to be betaing the dust engine for them soon(tm). I still don't understand the point of it, where exactly am I going to have to walk to in stations? If it's to the shops then that's just annoying as currently we justs go "buy, it's there" not "walk to shop, buy item, transport item to hanger, fit to ship" If it's to a "bar" then I have to ask "why am I going to a bar in a game and not in real life?" Casino's might be mildly entertaining untill I've lost my entire wealth for the umteenth time. Meeting? How is distracting me with hundreads of people doing /dance going to help with corp planning or paying attention to people telling me what's happening in the future? Also, if we can walk in station, what happens when the station I live in falls to another alliance? Can I walk around inside repeatedly doing /moon at other players with no recourse? Jump cloning out once in a while if I want to do something productive? that actually makes me mildly more interested in incarna.. that's like a sneeze in a hurricane though -- Nothing is worthless, you may have gotten it for free but it still has an inherent value
Alexeph Stoekai Stoekai Corp	Posted - 2010.07.14 14:19:00 - [13] Originally by: TheBlueMonkey Originally by: Andreus LeHane It's the beta for the engine they're gonna use in World of Darkness, according to the forums. This, I'm guessing it'll also be the same engine they use for dust so I'd expect us to be betaing the dust engine for them soon(tm). DUST 514 uses the Unreal 3 engine. WoD and Incarna will likely share engine, but neither is a beta for the other. Anyone suggesting that is only making it clear how ignorant they are of software development, and how little their opinion matters. -----
TheBlueMonkey Gallente Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2010.07.14 14:27:00 - [14] Originally by: Alexeph Stoekai Originally by: TheBlueMonkey Originally by: Andreus LeHane It's the beta for the engine they're gonna use in World of Darkness, according to the forums. This, I'm guessing it'll also be the same engine they use for dust so I'd expect us to be betaing the dust engine for them soon(tm). DUST 514 uses the Unreal 3 engine. WoD and Incarna will likely share engine, but neither is a beta for the other. Anyone suggesting that is only making it clear how ignorant they are of software development, and how little their opinion matters. If you write a game engine for a new game but release it into a game you already have running with a large player base... what's that classed as? Personally I'd see that as a beta test for you engines final destination. I have a tainted view of the world, like when they released the xbox 360. First release felt very untested or poorly tested so I'd class the first batch of xbox 360's as a beta release. I mean, what better test bed than a large number of people all willing to pay you for the oppertunity to be first to test your stuff rather than paying a testing department to do the job? And surely had they paid a large testing department to try out the xbox's that red ring of death thing and over heating issues would of been spotted before release? Maybe I just need better meds or to be less cynical but that's not me. -- Nothing is worthless, you may have gotten it for free but it still has an inherent value
Alexeph Stoekai Stoekai Corp	Posted - 2010.07.14 14:49:00 - [15] Edited by: Alexeph Stoekai on 14/07/2010 14:51:27 Originally by: TheBlueMonkey Originally by: Alexeph Stoekai Originally by: TheBlueMonkey Originally by: Andreus LeHane It's the beta for the engine they're gonna use in World of Darkness, according to the forums. This, I'm guessing it'll also be the same engine they use for dust so I'd expect us to be betaing the dust engine for them soon(tm). DUST 514 uses the Unreal 3 engine. WoD and Incarna will likely share engine, but neither is a beta for the other. Anyone suggesting that is only making it clear how ignorant they are of software development, and how little their opinion matters. If you write a game engine for a new game but release it into a game you already have running with a large player base... what's that classed as? Personally I'd see that as a beta test for you engines final destination. You'd be wrong. That's not what a beta is, and if you think that a game engine has a "final destination" you're definitely clueless. Let's look at another engine as an example: SAGE It's a game engine for 3D strategy games, originally developed by Westwood. The engine was first used in Emperor: Battle for Dune, but was built to be able to serve as the basis for a broad range of RTS titles. In fact, the engine proved to be so versatile that it could be used in C&C: Renegade - an FPS. The SAGE engine was also used in C&C: Generals, the Battle for Middle Earth games, and Command and Conquer 3. Would you say that Emperor was a beta for Generals? Would you call BfME2 a testbed for CnC3 (two games that had overlapping development cycles, btw)? See, when you develop a game engine, or indeed any piece of software, it's usually disproportionately expensive compared to what you'll be getting out of the effort. So what you do is: build a basic thing that is easy to build into other projects. It's not a greed thing, it's simply necessary unless you want to do the same bloody job a million times and not get any money for it. CCP had two dreams - allow EVE players to experience more than just their spaceships, and make another MMO using the WoD franchise. They recognized that both efforts had similar needs from a technological standpoint, and promptly decided to develop an engine that could work for both projects. Why is this such a ****ing crime to you people? -----
Helicity Boson Amarr The Python Cartel. The Jerk Cartel	Posted - 2010.07.14 15:02:00 - [16] Originally by: Alexeph Stoekai Why is this such a ***ing crime to you people? Because they have spent millions and millions of our subscription money to build this supposed engine, but unfortunately the WoD MMO -and- then engine they HAD have been scrapped already, and WoD is considered "dead" due to "technical failure" since feb this year. Subsequently the incarna they keep pretending to have ready for us does not exist at all. They were not able to demonstrate anything to the CSM either, past the four screenshots (which could be from any rendering program) shown to us during AT. TL;DR WoD is already abandoned, Incarna engine does not currently actually exist*
Naismith Vor	Posted - 2010.07.14 15:07:00 - [17] Edited by: Naismith Vor on 14/07/2010 15:10:23 Originally by: Helicity Boson Originally by: Alexeph Stoekai Why is this such a ***ing crime to you people? Because they have spent millions and millions of our subscription money to build this supposed engine, but unfortunately the WoD MMO -and- then engine they HAD have been scrapped already, and WoD is considered "dead" due to "technical failure" since feb this year. Subsequently the incarna they keep pretending to have ready for us does not exist at all. They were not able to demonstrate anything to the CSM either, past the four screenshots (which could be from any rendering program) shown to us during AT. TL;DR WoD is already abandoned, Incarna engine does not currently actually exist* Proof, you don't have any.
Alexeph Stoekai Stoekai Corp	Posted - 2010.07.14 15:12:00 - [18] Edited by: Alexeph Stoekai on 14/07/2010 15:12:40 Originally by: Helicity Boson Originally by: Alexeph Stoekai Why is this such a ***ing crime to you people? Because they have spent millions and millions of our subscription money to build this supposed engine Hint: CCP can do whatever they want with their money. Don't you think Blizzard spend WoW-generated income on other projects? You pay for access to EVE as it is now - if you want all the money you give a company to go into pandering to your whims, maybe spend your subscription money on a spa trip or something instead. *Or vice-versa? If CCP launches another game that makes profit, that will benefit EVE as well because it will mean CCP does better in general. -----
Helicity Boson Amarr The Python Cartel. The Jerk Cartel	Posted - 2010.07.14 15:18:00 - [19] Originally by: Naismith Vor Proof, you don't have any. WoD was due for release 2010 btw. Did you pre-order duke nuke em forever as well?
Alexeph Stoekai Stoekai Corp	Posted - 2010.07.14 15:20:00 - [20] Originally by: Helicity Boson Originally by: Naismith Vor Proof, you don't have any. WoD was due for release 2010 btw. No it wasn't. -----

Naismith Vor	Posted - 2010.07.14 15:24:00 - [21] Originally by: Helicity Boson Originally by: Naismith Vor Proof, you don't have any. WoD was due for release 2010 btw. Did you pre-order duke nuke em forever as well? Again, there is no proof. Did you?
ThisIsNotMyAlt	Posted - 2010.07.14 15:26:00 - [22] ccp never announced a release date for wod
TheBlueMonkey Gallente Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2010.07.14 15:33:00 - [23] Originally by: Alexeph Stoekai You'd be wrong. That's not what a beta is, and if you think that a game engine has a "final destination" you're definitely clueless. Let's look at another engine as an example: SAGE It's a game engine for 3D strategy games, originally developed by Westwood. The engine was first used in Emperor: Battle for Dune, but was built to be able to serve as the basis for a broad range of RTS titles. In fact, the engine proved to be so versatile that it could be used in C&C: Renegade - an FPS. The SAGE engine was also used in C&C: Generals, the Battle for Middle Earth games, and Command and Conquer 3. Would you say that Emperor was a beta for Generals? Would you call BfME2 a testbed for CnC3 (two games that had overlapping development cycles, btw)? See, when you develop a game engine, or indeed any piece of software, it's usually disproportionately expensive compared to what you'll be getting out of the effort. So what you do is: build a basic thing that is easy to build into other projects. It's not a greed thing, it's simply necessary unless you want to do the same bloody job a million times and not get any money for it. CCP had two dreams - allow EVE players to experience more than just their spaceships, and make another MMO using the WoD franchise. They recognized that both efforts had similar needs from a technological standpoint, and promptly decided to develop an engine that could work for both projects. Why is this such a ****ing crime to you people? Interesting and I agree using a game engine for multiple projects is obviously a great idea, as long as the engine is proven. From what I've read and heard about WoD and Incarna/ambulation/whatever is "We're writing this engine and you get to try it first" which I hear as "we're doing stuff and don't want to pay testers" I'm jaded from years of other things doing the same, windows xp sp1 numerous games and consoles etc if they do a good job and it all works then lovely but I'll still be missing the "why" of incarna tbh -- Nothing is worthless, you may have gotten it for free but it still has an inherent value
Pesky LaRue Minmatar Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels	Posted - 2010.07.14 15:39:00 - [24] Edited by: Pesky LaRue on 14/07/2010 15:42:47 Edited by: Pesky LaRue on 14/07/2010 15:42:18 Originally by: Helicity Boson WoD was due for release 2010 btw. Says who? If you mean the unsubstantiated reports from 18 months ago, that is probably valid information that you SHOULD be quoting as truth. You should also ignore the fact that in the same article, a CCP spokesperson was said to have "previously guessed at a 2011 release date" Throwing around rumour, hearsay or supposition to make your case actually doesn't. Originally by: Helicity Boson Because they have spent millions and millions of our subscription money I think someone needs to understand that the minute the money is transferred to CCP, it stops being "yours" or "ours." Like many others, you mistakenly believe that because you pay a subscription, you are a shareholder. You are not. CCP are no different to McDonalds or Coke - you may LOVE their product but you are no more in control of how they run their business model than you are of CCP. If you're unhappy, vote with your wallet and quit. Enough of you do it and that WILL get the attention of everyone at CCP. Until then, enjoy your burger. . [Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels]
Vaneshi SnowCrash	Posted - 2010.07.14 15:40:00 - [25] Incarna. It's the current name for "Walking in Stations", "Ambulation", "Full body avatars" and I guess it's had other names in its long history. It was showcased ages ago, planetry flight predates it and yeah... ho hum. Basically the idea is to let us get out of the ship/pod and walk around stations. I'm guessing only some stations because despite the size of them I'm not sure POS towers will do it, I'm also dubious about outposts. But that's me. Anyway it'll let you redo you avatar to be a full humanish one, more realistic textures and such applied to it and then you get to walk around space stations playing mini-games, buying stuff or opening your own bar/store. There have been suggestions of specific agents and events requiring Incarna to trigger them (i.e. you need to meet the person face to face). When will it be released? God knows. How bit an expansion will it be? God knows. How large will the EVE client balloon out to afterwards? Hell if I know. Rumour mill has suggested rather than a big splat Incarna will be released in stages, so we'll get to fiddle with our Avatars then some station interaction and so on. But that's the rumour mill and hell if I know how acurate it is. So Incarna is both neat/bad idea and vapourware/comming soon as it stands depending on who you talk to.
Alexeph Stoekai Stoekai Corp	Posted - 2010.07.14 15:43:00 - [26] Originally by: Pesky LaRue Originally by: Helicity Boson WoD was due for release 2010 btw. Says who? I think Helicity is referring to a shareholder report CCP made a couple of years back where they gave a time estimate on the WoD project. Helicity is then taking a missed software development time estimate done in early pre-production of a project as irrefutable proof that the project in question is an outright fabrication. -----
Mr Epeen	Posted - 2010.07.14 15:45:00 - [27] Originally by: Helicity Boson Originally by: Alexeph Stoekai Why is this such a ****ing crime to you people? Because they have spent millions and millions of our subscription money... FYI Alert: It stops being "our" money when we finalize the transfer to CCP. Ergo, "we" have no say in what they do with it. Beer, hookers, new game development, whatever. It's theirs to spend as they wish. Don't like it? Stop subcription. Send me stuff. Mr Epeen
ITTigerClawIK Amarr Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers	Posted - 2010.07.14 15:52:00 - [28] Originally by: Jennifer Fenring Incarna is to EVE what Duke Nukem Forever is for FPS. i dont think incarna could be described in ANY other way Sig space reclaimed in the name of me -courtesy of Tiggy ([email protected])
Abrazzar	Posted - 2010.07.14 15:56:00 - [29] Incarna will be yet another 'awesome' new feature that turns out to be disappointingly shallow and filled with bugs, pending repair or expansion for years to come (if ever, CCP wants more 'awesome' new features that are disappointingly shallow instead of adding depth to them). -------- All I want is a better mankind.
Spectre3353 Gallente The Python Cartel. The Jerk Cartel	Posted - 2010.07.14 15:57:00 - [30] Originally by: Pesky LaRue CCP are no different to McDonalds or Coke - you may LOVE their product but you are no more in control of how they run their business model than you are of CCP. If you're unhappy, vote with your wallet and quit. Enough of you do it and that WILL get the attention of everyone at CCP. Until then, enjoy your burger. But paying for Eve-Online as a service is not really comparable to paying for a consumable product. When I buy a can of Coke, I expect a single can of Coke. When I pay for a SERVICE, I expect the money to go towards improving THAT SERVICE, not some other random one that is being developed on the side that I will gain nothing from without paying another separate fee (ie: Dust 514, WoD, whatever). The fact that the money we are paying is not going towards improving the quality of the service we are paying for is the issue here and it is a big issue. I agree though that the only way to vote is with our wallet. To the OP, Incarna is an expansion based around having humanoid avatars and being able to walk around in stations. It was previously known as other things such as "Walking in Stations" and "Ambulation". I'm sure by the time it actually comes out, it will have been renamed another four times. ----- My Blog



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