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Max Dercad Minmatar Mercury Mercenaries Inc.	Posted - 2010.07.14 20:36:00 - [1] Madirmilire - another Sansha incursion I guess that those of us who care enough to look at the news already know the drill. Nation's battleship fleet arrives at the scene, CONCORD is busy shuffling papers at the office, Federal Navy looks the other way. Ten minutes later a turkey shoot of the month commences, cause a CONCORD guys found the correct button and set inviting rewards on Sansha's battleships... But, seriously, I can understand CONCORD not showing up to the party - I agree with their assessment of threat - or lack of thereof - the Nation presents. Empires are bit more weird, not showing the flag is pretty bad for the PR after all. Of course, in the great scheme of things the few dozen thousands of citizens abducted isn't going to change anything per se, yet moral and political implication may be far reaching. But I trust the calculations made by Empires leaders. Now what is really strange for me, is how any sane person in the Sansha Nation can claim a skirmish such as today's Madirmilire IV a victory. Well ok, let's not compliment them too much with the 'sanity' thing. Any person capable of elementary logic on the very basic level. Nation took tremendous losses today. My ship alone was responsible for downing 10 to 15 battleships, and I was only one of many capsuleers defending the Federation space this day. And I am not even mentioning those pilots who came only to collect CONCORD's rewards, cause they are always many. A rough estimate then, Sansha sacrificed more than a hundred heavy ships to achieve what? Fear among the planet populations across the cluster and 500.000 prisoners? Laughable. And this is their score without any attempt of defense by either CONCORD or Federation Navy. With an efficiency like this any attack against a fortified target will be a sight for sure. So, since I've already stated the obvious, let me ask those, who declare support of Kuvakei, the brilliant strategist: What will you do when it's time to put your hand into a meat-grinder like Madirmilire IV orbit was today? For such a day will surely come. Will you follow your 'Master' into oblivion? I surely hope you do, but some of you may still reconsider. Self preservation and all... To everyone else I can say but one thing: Have no fear. Sansha Kuvakei and his fleets proved to be inept and barely capable of standing up to a completely random and uncoordinated group of unprepared capsuleers. Some day they won't be able to escape in time, some day the element of surprise will be ours, some day we will fight on the field we choose. On that day the NationÆs history will be definitely finished. Until then stay strong and don't be afraid, for fear is the only weapon they have.
Heine Westenfluss Neo Terran Front	Posted - 2010.07.14 21:26:00 - [2] Edited by: Heine Westenfluss on 14/07/2010 21:28:55 Edited by: Heine Westenfluss on 14/07/2010 21:26:57 I find a number of errors in your statement, Max Dercad. First it was in Amarr space, not Federation space. Also there is no death in the Nation, there is only unity and strength. What you see as the loss of many battleships, at untold death and destruction, we view as a learning experience. How can there be death in perfection? The answer is simple: there cannot be. Death and loss are concepts of an individual, not of Nation and not of unity. The Empire's can only watch as perfection comes for the souls within their borders, their false promises of protection and safety have proven to be wrong time and again. The liberation of 500,000 we do not view as "laughable" but rather we take solace in knowing more souls have been freed and shown the truth and been given the chance to experience the future of New Eden. ------- [Servant of Sansha Nation] "I live - I plan - I do - all in the service of my own interests and the Nation. In that I believe I am not unique in the universe."
Kaito Kenshin Twilight Labs	Posted - 2010.07.14 21:38:00 - [3] The Amarr Navy actually did present a few ships on the field today...to engage a Federal militiaman who was assisting the defense of their planet. To the population of Madirmilire IV, they have some explaining to do. Let's fill the stars with love!
Sylorin Caldari MMZ Laboratories LLC	Posted - 2010.07.14 22:00:00 - [4] 500,000 people? Wait...Didn't the Empire say they had this big armada on standby? DidnÆt the SCOPE say ôIn addition to the activation of the Imperial fleets, Amarr Certified News reports that the regional forces of the Royal Houses have mobilized similarly, and that representatives of the fleets of the various Houses have been in meetings with the Ministry of War.ö Didn't their militia band together and announce their intention to stop the Nation? What happened to ôThe Empire has awoken. The Great Golden Fleets have been mobilized. Amarr stands ready to lay her strength on the line in defense of all, not just Imperial Subjects.ö Sounds like a Sansha victory to me. *The opinions expressed in this post do not necessarily reflect the opinions of MMZ Labs, LLC
Merdaneth Amarr Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers	Posted - 2010.07.14 22:11:00 - [5] Originally by: Sylorin 500,000 people? Sounds like a Sansha victory to me. I have no other data, but this was the last communication from the Sansha vessel concerning the abductions that I received: Quote: Slave 32152 > Dropship squadron returning from the surface. 55,000 souls uplifted. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Heine Westenfluss Neo Terran Front	Posted - 2010.07.14 22:13:00 - [6] Originally by: Merdaneth Originally by: Sylorin 500,000 people? Sounds like a Sansha victory to me. I have no other data, but this was the last communication from the Sansha vessel concerning the abductions that I received: Quote: Slave 32152 > Dropship squadron returning from the surface. 55,000 souls uplifted. That was but one ground reclaiming. Many more souls were freed tonight by our forces. ------- [Servant of Sansha Nation] "I live - I plan - I do - all in the service of my own interests and the Nation. In that I believe I am not unique in the universe."
Sinti Vailatti MMZ Laboratories LLC	Posted - 2010.07.14 22:38:00 - [7] 55,000, 500,000 or 5. Does it matter? Serving the Dark Amarr
Nikita Alterana Gallente Risen Angels	Posted - 2010.07.14 22:44:00 - [8] Originally by: Heine Westenfluss How can there be death in perfection? Why don't you ask your buddies the Jovians? They tried to reach perfection, to touch the face of eternity, and where are they now? Oh that's right, dead. Killed by their own hubris. Which is a road your already treadin' towards. Life isn't about Waiting for the storm to pass. It's about standing in the rain.
Seriphyn Inhonores Gallente Moira. Vanguard	Posted - 2010.07.14 22:55:00 - [9] For the last time, according to Omune Balenne, the tactics of the empire navies is to engage the invading dropship squadrons while the capsuleers engage the main orbital fleet. He says its worked fine so far... ------------ Luminaire General Seriphyn Inhonores [TAGMA] Federal Defence Union
Mordenkainan Caldari Kelinbar Consolidated Holding	Posted - 2010.07.14 23:02:00 - [10] There was an also an incursion at Sirppala not a few jumps away at I believe the same time... Well I know there WAS an incursion there as I shot them, but my timing of the events may be off.
RavenTesio Caldari Liandri Corporation	Posted - 2010.07.14 23:32:00 - [11] Edited by: RavenTesio on 14/07/2010 23:32:45 The attack that happened in Madirmilire tonight was of greater concern not for those who were taken, although the number was thankfully far lower than what it could potencially have been but rather the fact that Nation were capable of fielding a fully operational Carrier within the Core Systems. Although I think Kuvakei might have a sense of humour after all, given the ship in question was an Amarr Archon-Class Carrier within an Amarrian system. To a degree as a fellow Caldari-Civre there is some admiration to a degree on the tactical advantage that Nation currently holds over us.
Weynard Caldari Evoke. Ev0ke	Posted - 2010.07.14 23:45:00 - [12] Edited by: Weynard on 14/07/2010 23:45:44 Originally by: Max Dercad What will you do when it's time to put your hand into a meat-grinder like Madirmilire IV orbit was today? For such a day will surely come. Will you follow your 'Master' into oblivion? I surely hope you do, but some of you may still reconsider. Self preservation and all... To answer this specific question, I can only recall numerous situations where the friends of the Nation have sacrificed their ships for the greater good. I am neither speaking solely of myself, nor am I speaking solely of high security space. And I will yet again say there is no death in Nation, there is only rebirth.
Mordenkainan Caldari Kelinbar Consolidated Holding	Posted - 2010.07.14 23:52:00 - [13] Originally by: RavenTesio Edited by: RavenTesio on 14/07/2010 23:32:45 The attack that happened in Madirmilire tonight was of greater concern not for those who were taken, although the number was thankfully far lower than what it could potencially have been but rather the fact that Nation were capable of fielding a fully operational Carrier within the Core Systems. Although I think Kuvakei might have a sense of humour after all, given the ship in question was an Amarr Archon-Class Carrier within an Amarrian system. To a degree as a fellow Caldari-Civre there is some admiration to a degree on the tactical advantage that Nation currently holds over us. An Archon class carrier was also destroyed in orbit around Sirppala - I can provide no more than that as I had to escape the temporary attentions of many Sansha battleships, and only returned to see its doomed fireball above the planet.
RavenTesio Caldari Liandri Corporation	Posted - 2010.07.15 00:29:00 - [14] Originally by: Mordenkainan Originally by: RavenTesio Edited by: RavenTesio on 14/07/2010 23:32:45 The attack that happened in Madirmilire tonight was of greater concern not for those who were taken, although the number was thankfully far lower than what it could potencially have been but rather the fact that Nation were capable of fielding a fully operational Carrier within the Core Systems. Although I think Kuvakei might have a sense of humour after all, given the ship in question was an Amarr Archon-Class Carrier within an Amarrian system. To a degree as a fellow Caldari-Civre there is some admiration to a degree on the tactical advantage that Nation currently holds over us. An Archon class carrier was also destroyed in orbit around Sirppala - I can provide no more than that as I had to escape the temporary attentions of many Sansha battleships, and only returned to see its doomed fireball above the planet. We only recieved a distress signal from Madirmilire, had I been aware of an incursion in Caldari space it would've been my priority. Something of note however is one of my corporation members did inform me that during routine sensor sweeps, he discovered a wormhole leading to a large Sansha force; but given his lack of knowledge of current events didn't have the foresight to take any images. Although he was able to covertly slip past and aquire some sleeper technology for us. Unfortunately his endeavour did leave him quite fatigued, but a complete debrief is planned in 5 hours with the hope of aquiring more information. Might be too little, too late so to speak; but if the wormhole is still active we may have a rare oppurtunity available to us.
Yehat Quan Gallente	Posted - 2010.07.15 07:26:00 - [15] Originally by: RavenTesio Edited by: RavenTesio on 14/07/2010 23:32:45 The attack that happened in Madirmilire tonight was of greater concern not for those who were taken, although the number was thankfully far lower than what it could potencially have been but rather the fact that Nation were capable of fielding a fully operational Carrier within the Core Systems. Was it indeed fully operational? As in: did it launch fighters? From the chatter I got to hear when I got to Sirppala (too late, I must admit) the only weapons the two carriers were fielding were smartbombs (in Madirmilire) and energy neutralizers (in Sirppala) If it didn't launch fighters, it was subject to the same CONCORD-enforced restrictions as any of the still existing carriers before the ban. Capsuleers should be able to use wormholes to bring carriers into high-security space and field them to the same extent, if they can fit one through the eye of the mass restriction needle.
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2010.07.15 09:14:00 - [16] This one was too close for comfort. Madirmilire has been my primary working place and home for the last five years, and while we do have the occasional capsuleer "suicide camper" it compares nothing to this Sansha incursion. We are not that many jumps out from the Amarr home worlds, where were the Golden fleet to protect us? They even claim to have been mobilizing as Mr. Sylorin pointed out. This is unexpected carelessness and amazingly poor response from the Imperial Fleets side, didn't they learn anything from the Elder invasion? I think I have to go lay down a minute. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute - EVE Online Lorebook
Heine Westenfluss Neo Terran Front	Posted - 2010.07.15 16:47:00 - [17] Originally by: Nikita Alterana Originally by: Heine Westenfluss How can there be death in perfection? Why don't you ask your buddies the Jovians? They tried to reach perfection, to touch the face of eternity, and where are they now? Oh that's right, dead. Killed by their own hubris. Which is a road your already treadin' towards. You should not compare the Jovians to the great Nation. We are true perfection, we have what they lack: the strength and unity of all who serve the Master. That strength will guide us in light and dark. Last night was a victory for the Nation - we entered a system close to the Amarr homeworld, freed a number of souls, and left without the Imperial Navy responding. As I said in local comms last night, you should embrace Nation, Nikita. ------- [Servant of Sansha Nation] "I live - I plan - I do - all in the service of my own interests and the Nation. In that I believe I am not unique in the universe."
Ghost Hunter True Slave Foundations	Posted - 2010.07.15 19:01:00 - [18] Originally by: Merdaneth Originally by: Sylorin 500,000 people? Sounds like a Sansha victory to me. I have no other data, but this was the last communication from the Sansha vessel concerning the abductions that I received: Quote: Slave 32152 > Dropship squadron returning from the surface. 55,000 souls uplifted. Madirmilire IV(4) - 140,000 uplifted. Another step upon the path for the greater road of mankind. ______ True Slave Foundations Overseer
Lancashirian	Posted - 2010.07.15 20:25:00 - [19] Anyone have any clue as to WHY CONCORD hasn't responded to any of these attacks?
Eventy One Magellan Exploration and Survey THAT Alliance	Posted - 2010.07.15 21:50:00 - [20] Originally by: Lancashirian Anyone have any clue as to WHY CONCORD hasn't responded to any of these attacks? CONCORD has long exhibited both corruption and fear .... unfortunately.
Nikita Alterana Gallente Risen Angels	Posted - 2010.07.16 02:49:00 - [21] Originally by: Heine Westenfluss you should embrace Nation, Nikita. Yeah, I'll just get right on that. In your dreams. Why don't you just try finding me and making me. I dare you. Life isn't about Waiting for the storm to pass. It's about standing in the rain.
Max Dercad Minmatar Mercury Mercenaries Inc.	Posted - 2010.07.16 07:34:00 - [22] Originally by: Ghost Hunter Madirmilire IV(4) - 140,000 uplifted. Another step upon the path for the greater road of mankind. Hmm, let's run the numbers here. An average planet population of, say, 2.000.000.000. Sansha raid every week. With such assumptions Nation would need only 14.285 weeks [or 100.000 days, or 277 years] to 'clear' a smallish planet. One planet from thousands in the cluster. And I am not even counting in natural population growth here. The path you speak of seems to be a long one indeed.
Sylorin Caldari MMZ Laboratories LLC	Posted - 2010.07.16 15:15:00 - [23] Max, you're not accounting for a logarithmic growth in birth rate and production ability of the Nation, leading to an equal increase in the amount of people they can obtain. Add to that their cloning capabilities and your end number will shrink dramatically. *The opinions expressed in this post do not necessarily reflect the opinions of MMZ Labs, LLC

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